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Posted: 12/5/2013 2:48:12 PM EST
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Here is a video of Nelson Mandela after his release from prison singing about killed whites.
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Posted: 12/5/2013 2:49:20 PM EST
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"Mandela had participated in planning acts of sabotage and inciting violence, so that he could no longer fulfill the criteria for the classification of political prisoners." ~ Amnesty International, 1985. "There's one thing where that country stands out head and shoulders above the rest. That is in its love for human rights and liberty." ~ Nelson Mandela, referring to Castro's Cuba, May, 1990. A week later in Libya, he praised Moammar Qaddaf's "commitment to the fight for peace and human rights in the world." "We support the cause of anyone who is fighting for self-determination, and our attitude is the same, no matter who it is. I would be honored to sit on the platform with the four comrades you refer to." ~ Nelson Mandela, referring to the four Puerto Rican terrorists who shot and wounded five U.S. Congressmen in 1954. (quoted in The New York Times [early local edition only] June 25, 1990) In 2003, Mandela complained about Bush's plan to attack Iraq with or without final approval from the United Nations, and implied that the U.S. and U.K. leaders are a racist. "Both Bush as well as Tony Blair are undermining an idea (creation of the United Nations) which was sponsored by their predecessors," "Is this because the secretary-general of the United Nations is now a black man? They never did that when they were white," he said. "All Bush wants is Iraqi oil, because Iraq produces 64 percent of oil in the world and he wants to get hold of it." (In fact Iraq contributes to only 5 percent of world oil exports.) "Because they (the Americans) decided to kill innocent people in Japan, who are still suffering from that, who are they now to pretend that they are the policeman of the world?" "If there is a country which has committed unspeakable atrocities, it is the United States of America. They don't care for human beings." ~ Nelson Mandela, speaking just TWO DAYS after GWBush pledged $15 BILLION to fight AIDS in Africa. |
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Posted: 12/5/2013 2:50:36 PM EST
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Apartheid= Bad
Mandela=Bad Thank God we have the Constitution. Mandela wasn't wrong to be against racism. He was wrong to grasp communism/socialism/violence. I wonder if he would have had he our Constitution to fall back on? |
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Posted: 12/5/2013 2:52:16 PM EST
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....then the Africans, and detractors in this thread, should be thanking the "white man" for paying a visit and bringing his gifts. Those are, apart from civilization in and of itself: -Medicine -Running water -Food for the entire continent. Those three things alone absolve the SA apartheid. So when Obama and company give you healthcare, foodstamps, and all the other wonderful liberal programs, you'll gladly surrender all your individual liberties and freedoms. Glad to see where you come down on this. Idiotic.. |
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Posted: 12/5/2013 2:54:07 PM EST
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Here is a video of Nelson Mandela after his release from prison singing about killed whites.  http://youtu.be/fcOXqFQw2hcI think with some Autotunes - Kayne could make that into Gold |
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Posted: 12/5/2013 2:55:45 PM EST
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Racist, communist fucker who ruined an entire country? Yeah, he is a POS. So him and Obunghole have a lot in common. |
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Posted: 12/5/2013 2:55:48 PM EST
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Because he refused to take their shit You should start a thread and ask Arfcom whether the I.R.A. was bad. |
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Posted: 12/5/2013 2:56:51 PM EST
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So George Washington intentionally targeted civilians?
Mandela on Arafat. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ExVfEL0y-E |
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Posted: 12/5/2013 2:57:54 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Have you ever seen a thread about Martin Luther King or the civil rights movement here? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: geez GD doesn't like a black man involved in civil rights for blacks?  MLK - Did it through peaceful walks and religion - He aint no Nelson Mandingo I have  |
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Posted: 12/5/2013 2:58:04 PM EST
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So when Obama and company give you healthcare, foodstamps, and all the other wonderful liberal programs, you'll gladly surrender all your individual liberties and freedoms. Glad to see where you come down on this. Idiotic.. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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....then the Africans, and detractors in this thread, should be thanking the "white man" for paying a visit and bringing his gifts. Those are, apart from civilization in and of itself: -Medicine -Running water -Food for the entire continent. Those three things alone absolve the SA apartheid. So when Obama and company give you healthcare, foodstamps, and all the other wonderful liberal programs, you'll gladly surrender all your individual liberties and freedoms. Glad to see where you come down on this. Idiotic.. Yeah, don't forget: Small Pox Venereal Disease Forced labor and Squalid living conditions Let's all give a round of generous applause to the white guys from Western Europe and thanks for coming! Chris |
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Posted: 12/5/2013 3:01:56 PM EST
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I know, like most of Arfcom, that if I were a black South African living under Apartheid that I would have accepted my second class citizenship without the least complaint.
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Posted: 12/5/2013 3:03:11 PM EST
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I know, like most of Arfcom, that if I were a black South African living under Apartheid that I would have accepted my second class citizenship without the least complaint. It justifies some form of opposition, but not Marxism, terrorism, the killing of innocents, extreme brutality, and the creation of an even worse government than what was being opposed. |
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Posted: 12/5/2013 3:04:43 PM EST
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So when Obama and company give you healthcare, foodstamps, and all the other wonderful liberal programs, you'll gladly surrender all your individual liberties and freedoms. Glad to see where you come down on this. Idiotic.. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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....then the Africans, and detractors in this thread, should be thanking the "white man" for paying a visit and bringing his gifts. Those are, apart from civilization in and of itself: -Medicine -Running water -Food for the entire continent. Those three things alone absolve the SA apartheid. So when Obama and company give you healthcare, foodstamps, and all the other wonderful liberal programs, you'll gladly surrender all your individual liberties and freedoms. Glad to see where you come down on this. Idiotic.. I'm surprised you can't pick up on the glaring difference. I don't need any of those things. I had them before Obama came along. Being white, myself, my ancestors, we were building the modern world, we secured freedom and set up the finest country the world has ever known. As opposed to reparing our straws huts and shitting in a hole. |
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Posted: 12/5/2013 3:06:44 PM EST
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It justifies some form of opposition, but not Marxism, terrorism, the killing of innocents, extreme brutality, and the creation of an even worse government than what was being opposed. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I know, like most of Arfcom, that if I were a black South African living under Apartheid that I would have accepted my second class citizenship without the least complaint. It justifies some form of opposition, but not Marxism, terrorism, the killing of innocents, extreme brutality, and the creation of an even worse government than what was being opposed. Whooa. Who said "some form of opposition"? If I were black living under Apartheid I would have accepted my inferiority and been thankful for the opportunity to be treated like a second class citizen. |
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Posted: 12/5/2013 3:06:56 PM EST
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It justifies some form of opposition, but not Marxism, terrorism, the killing of innocents, extreme brutality, and the creation of an even worse government than what was being opposed. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I know, like most of Arfcom, that if I were a black South African living under Apartheid that I would have accepted my second class citizenship without the least complaint. It justifies some form of opposition, but not Marxism, terrorism, the killing of innocents, extreme brutality, and the creation of an even worse government than what was being opposed. That's easy for you to say, since you're most probably a white guy and you're living in a fairly free country. Collateral damage is an acceptable component of any war, just ask us, the USA. Chris |
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Posted: 12/5/2013 3:07:31 PM EST
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Because he refused to take their shit This. If you guys woke up in tomorrow to find apartheid in USA and it was white people who were treated as sub-human, you can be dam sure you would resist / terrorize / call it what you want !!! I sure as fuck woudn't murder civilians like Mandela did. Apartheid was despicable, but Mandela was no saint. He was a scumsucking, Communist murderer. Spin is spin no its not spin....he is saying what he would or wouldn't do if he was in Mandelas place. Murdering civilians is out, for him and for me if we were in Mandelas position. |
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Posted: 12/5/2013 3:07:50 PM EST
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It justifies some form of opposition, but not Marxism, terrorism, the killing of innocents, extreme brutality, and the creation of an even worse government than what was being opposed. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I know, like most of Arfcom, that if I were a black South African living under Apartheid that I would have accepted my second class citizenship without the least complaint. It justifies some form of opposition, but not Marxism, terrorism, the killing of innocents, extreme brutality, and the creation of an even worse government than what was being opposed. I personally don't have a problem with violent revolution in the face of atrocities such as apartheid. |
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Posted: 12/5/2013 3:09:01 PM EST
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Yeah, don't forget: Small Pox Venereal Disease Forced labor and Squalid living conditions Let's all give a round of generous applause to the white guys from Western Europe and thanks for coming! Chris Quote HistoryQuoted:
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....then the Africans, and detractors in this thread, should be thanking the "white man" for paying a visit and bringing his gifts. Those are, apart from civilization in and of itself: -Medicine -Running water -Food for the entire continent. Those three things alone absolve the SA apartheid. So when Obama and company give you healthcare, foodstamps, and all the other wonderful liberal programs, you'll gladly surrender all your individual liberties and freedoms. Glad to see where you come down on this. Idiotic.. Yeah, don't forget: Small Pox Venereal Disease Forced labor and Squalid living conditions Let's all give a round of generous applause to the white guys from Western Europe and thanks for coming! Chris Hate your own country do you? Throughout time, when sects of people collide these things happen. If your referring to the American slave period, while deplorable, slaves in America were prized by their owners and taken care of. In fact, in the annals of slave history, slaves under whites were treated better than under any other master: Arabs, Persians, other Africans, etc. The worst slave masters and traders of all time have been other Africans. History is there for you to learn. |
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Posted: 12/5/2013 3:10:43 PM EST
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I personally don't have a problem with violent revolution in the face of atrocities such as apartheid. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I know, like most of Arfcom, that if I were a black South African living under Apartheid that I would have accepted my second class citizenship without the least complaint. It justifies some form of opposition, but not Marxism, terrorism, the killing of innocents, extreme brutality, and the creation of an even worse government than what was being opposed. I personally don't have a problem with violent revolution in the face of atrocities such as apartheid. That's because you don't know what the hell your talking about. You've eaten up so much of the leftist bullshit you don't recognize the taste. |
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Posted: 12/5/2013 3:11:47 PM EST
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I personally don't have a problem with violent revolution in the face of atrocities such as apartheid. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I know, like most of Arfcom, that if I were a black South African living under Apartheid that I would have accepted my second class citizenship without the least complaint. It justifies some form of opposition, but not Marxism, terrorism, the killing of innocents, extreme brutality, and the creation of an even worse government than what was being opposed. I personally don't have a problem with violent revolution in the face of atrocities such as apartheid. Easy there brother. That kind of talk is dangerous. We don't want the soon to be white minority here getting any thoughts. |
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Posted: 12/5/2013 3:12:53 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Hate your own country do you? Throughout time, when sects of people collide these things happen. If your referring to the American slave period, while deplorable, slaves in America were prized by their owners and taken care of. In fact, in the annals of slave history, slaves under whites were treated better than under any other master: Arabs, Persians, other Africans, etc. The worst Slave masters and traders of all time have been other Africans. History is there for you to learn. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: ....then the Africans, and detractors in this thread, should be thanking the "white man" for paying a visit and bringing his gifts. Those are, apart from civilization in and of itself: -Medicine -Running water -Food for the entire continent. Those three things alone absolve the SA apartheid. So when Obama and company give you healthcare, foodstamps, and all the other wonderful liberal programs, you'll gladly surrender all your individual liberties and freedoms. Glad to see where you come down on this. Idiotic.. Yeah, don't forget: Small Pox Venereal Disease Forced labor and Squalid living conditions Let's all give a round of generous applause to the white guys from Western Europe and thanks for coming! Chris Hate your own country do you? Throughout time, when sects of people collide these things happen. If your referring to the American slave period, while deplorable, slaves in America were prized by their owners and taken care of. In fact, in the annals of slave history, slaves under whites were treated better than under any other master: Arabs, Persians, other Africans, etc. The worst Slave masters and traders of all time have been other Africans. History is there for you to learn. |
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Posted: 12/5/2013 3:13:05 PM EST
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That's because you don't know what the hell your talking about. You've eaten up so much of the leftist bullshit you don't recognize the taste. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I know, like most of Arfcom, that if I were a black South African living under Apartheid that I would have accepted my second class citizenship without the least complaint. It justifies some form of opposition, but not Marxism, terrorism, the killing of innocents, extreme brutality, and the creation of an even worse government than what was being opposed. I personally don't have a problem with violent revolution in the face of atrocities such as apartheid. That's because you don't know what the hell your talking about. You've eaten up so much of the leftist bullshit you don't recognize the taste. I'm sorry, but what part am I misinformed? |
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Posted: 12/5/2013 3:13:42 PM EST
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I normally agree Shane, but this board is far too hyperbolic for its own good sometimes. For 50 years the Afrikaans literally treated the blacks as subhuman. Removed their right to political representation, forcefully segregated communities, and slaughtered/imprisoned all opposition. I cannot say with 100% certainty that given the chance I wouldn't violently rebel against such oppression. In fact, I know I would. Mandela abused his authority no doubt, but meeting violence with violence itself isn't worthy of condemnation. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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GD - A magical place where people threaten to become terrorists if perceived injustices are committed, but condemn a man who did exactly what they say they would do in circumstances no where near as bad.  I understand that somebody's got to play devil's advocate now and then, but I think you might want to scale it back this time. The man was a communist and an actual terrorist. I normally agree Shane, but this board is far too hyperbolic for its own good sometimes. For 50 years the Afrikaans literally treated the blacks as subhuman. Removed their right to political representation, forcefully segregated communities, and slaughtered/imprisoned all opposition. I cannot say with 100% certainty that given the chance I wouldn't violently rebel against such oppression. In fact, I know I would. Mandela abused his authority no doubt, but meeting violence with violence itself isn't worthy of condemnation. Would you murder children and bomb churches? |
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Posted: 12/5/2013 3:14:19 PM EST
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Then go learn it before you spout off that goddamn horseshit. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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....then the Africans, and detractors in this thread, should be thanking the "white man" for paying a visit and bringing his gifts. Those are, apart from civilization in and of itself: -Medicine -Running water -Food for the entire continent. Those three things alone absolve the SA apartheid. So when Obama and company give you healthcare, foodstamps, and all the other wonderful liberal programs, you'll gladly surrender all your individual liberties and freedoms. Glad to see where you come down on this. Idiotic.. Yeah, don't forget: Small Pox Venereal Disease Forced labor and Squalid living conditions Let's all give a round of generous applause to the white guys from Western Europe and thanks for coming! Chris Hate your own country do you? Throughout time, when sects of people collide these things happen. If your referring to the American slave period, while deplorable, slaves in America were prized by their owners and taken care of. In fact, in the annals of slave history, slaves under whites were treated better than under any other master: Arabs, Persians, other Africans, etc. The worst Slave masters and traders of all time have been other Africans. History is there for you to learn. I guess you'll be proving me wrong then shortly. |
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Posted: 12/5/2013 3:15:07 PM EST
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Would you murder children and bomb churches? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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GD - A magical place where people threaten to become terrorists if perceived injustices are committed, but condemn a man who did exactly what they say they would do in circumstances no where near as bad. I understand that somebody's got to play devil's advocate now and then, but I think you might want to scale it back this time. The man was a communist and an actual terrorist. I normally agree Shane, but this board is far too hyperbolic for its own good sometimes. For 50 years the Afrikaans literally treated the blacks as subhuman. Removed their right to political representation, forcefully segregated communities, and slaughtered/imprisoned all opposition. I cannot say with 100% certainty that given the chance I wouldn't violently rebel against such oppression. In fact, I know I would. Mandela abused his authority no doubt, but meeting violence with violence itself isn't worthy of condemnation. Would you murder children and bomb churches? Why are you bringing up the Deep South in the 1960s? |
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Posted: 12/5/2013 3:15:33 PM EST
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Fuck that POS Mandela, rot in HELL!
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Posted: 12/5/2013 3:17:43 PM EST
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I'm sorry, but what part am I misinformed? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I know, like most of Arfcom, that if I were a black South African living under Apartheid that I would have accepted my second class citizenship without the least complaint. It justifies some form of opposition, but not Marxism, terrorism, the killing of innocents, extreme brutality, and the creation of an even worse government than what was being opposed. I personally don't have a problem with violent revolution in the face of atrocities such as apartheid. That's because you don't know what the hell your talking about. You've eaten up so much of the leftist bullshit you don't recognize the taste. I'm sorry, but what part am I misinformed? It's your lucky day. Read a post from an actual South African a page or two back. He'll inform you what many history books on the communist insurgency in SA will learn you. ...and in about 10 minutes. |
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Posted: 12/5/2013 3:18:58 PM EST
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GD - A magical place where people threaten to become terrorists if perceived injustices are committed, but condemn a man who did exactly what they say they would do in circumstances no where near as bad. I understand that somebody's got to play devil's advocate now and then, but I think you might want to scale it back this time. The man was a communist and an actual terrorist. I normally agree Shane, but this board is far too hyperbolic for its own good sometimes. For 50 years the Afrikaans literally treated the blacks as subhuman. Removed their right to political representation, forcefully segregated communities, and slaughtered/imprisoned all opposition. I cannot say with 100% certainty that given the chance I wouldn't violently rebel against such oppression. In fact, I know I would. Mandela abused his authority no doubt, but meeting violence with violence itself isn't worthy of condemnation. Would you murder children and bomb churches? Why are you bringing up the Deep South in the 1960s? Why are you bringing up what's happening to white people right now in SA? |
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Posted: 12/5/2013 3:19:35 PM EST
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Cause he was a communist POS, who managed to take a nice, clean, safe, successful country, and turn it into an unsafe third world shithole, where the inmates now run the asylum, and murders are as common as taking a dump.... The same path Obama is taking us on! |
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Posted: 12/5/2013 3:20:03 PM EST
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I don't know much about Mandela's supposed terrorist activities, he certainly was linked with socialists and his wife was involved in various criminal bullshit. But would you really have just sat back and done nothing if you were a black guy in 1980 South Africa. If UN troops invaded Utah would you accept anti tank rockets from Cuba? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Posted: 12/5/2013 3:20:24 PM EST
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Posted: 12/5/2013 3:20:41 PM EST
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Love the feeds calling him a "Freedom Fighter' And that he did some BAD things but he is good
By that Logic we should suck Bin Ladens dick for "Killing some soviets" and then running a plane into a tower full of none combatants (Mandela bombed none combatants) trying to Liberate Imperialistic controlling American powers from the middle east |
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Posted: 12/5/2013 3:21:41 PM EST
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Quote HistoryHe will probably play him in a new blockbuster movie..  |
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Posted: 12/5/2013 3:22:03 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I guess you'll be proving me wrong then shortly. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Yeah, don't forget: Small Pox Venereal Disease Forced labor and Squalid living conditions Let's all give a round of generous applause to the white guys from Western Europe and thanks for coming! Chris Hate your own country do you? Throughout time, when sects of people collide these things happen. If your referring to the American slave period, while deplorable, slaves in America were prized by their owners and taken care of. In fact, in the annals of slave history, slaves under whites were treated better than under any other master: Arabs, Persians, other Africans, etc. The worst Slave masters and traders of all time have been other Africans. History is there for you to learn. I guess you'll be proving me wrong then shortly.  |
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Posted: 12/5/2013 3:23:41 PM EST
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It's your lucky day. Read a post from an actual South African a page or two back. He'll inform you what many history books on the communist insurgency in SA will learn you. ...and in about 10 minutes. Was he a white or black SA? I imagine that would make a difference in perspective. |
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Posted: 12/5/2013 3:26:28 PM EST
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...Mandela ran a bombing campaign... Yes, and I missed this one by minutes. I was parked opposite the loaded vehicle. Shitstain. Church Street Bombing Graphic |
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Posted: 12/5/2013 3:26:41 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Love the feeds calling him a "Freedom Fighter' And that he did some BAD things but he is good By that Logic we should suck Bin Ladens dick for "Killing some soviets" and then running a plane into a tower full of none combatants (Mandela bombed none combatants) trying to Liberate Imperialistic controlling American powers from the middle east |
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Posted: 12/5/2013 3:27:39 PM EST
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beat the shit out of my prized possessions all the time, don't you? It's not difficult to pick out individual examples of terrible, sadistic abuse. The facts still stand. Look up the Persians, the Arabs...see how they treated their property when they knew it could be replaced so easily just across the river. Hopefully the son of a bitch that committed that was killed promptly after and, better yet, by his own slave. |
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Posted: 12/5/2013 3:28:43 PM EST
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Was he a white or black SA? I imagine that would make a difference in perspective. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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It's your lucky day. Read a post from an actual South African a page or two back. He'll inform you what many history books on the communist insurgency in SA will learn you. ...and in about 10 minutes. Was he a white or black SA? I imagine that would make a difference in perspective. Is honesty owned by one race? All you have to do is fact check it for yourself. |
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Posted: 12/5/2013 3:29:06 PM EST
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He was great in Shawshank Redemption.
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Posted: 12/5/2013 3:30:17 PM EST
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Is honesty owned by one race? All you have to do is fact check it for yourself. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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It's your lucky day. Read a post from an actual South African a page or two back. He'll inform you what many history books on the communist insurgency in SA will learn you. ...and in about 10 minutes. Was he a white or black SA? I imagine that would make a difference in perspective. Is honesty owned by one race? All you have to do is fact check it for yourself. Fact check what? Jesus Christ. TRY and be a little more helpful in your replies. Then we could maybe make some progress. |
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Posted: 12/5/2013 3:30:26 PM EST
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Yeah, let's see how many ARFcommers would just sit back and take it, if BHO came out and by decree stated that since he's such a swell guy and of mixed race, nobody going forward can marry somebody of the same race and by the way, you can only live where the government tells you to live. "The origins of apartheid - apartness - went right back to the very beginnings of European rule in Southern Africa, but it was only with the election of the first National Party government in 1948, in a white-only ballot, that racial segregation was thoroughly codified in law. In legal terms, apartheid had three main pillars: The Race Classification Act, which classified every citizen suspected of not being European according to race. The Mixed Marriages Act, which prohibited marriage between people of different races. The Group Areas Act, which forced people of certain races into living in designated areas. In the early 1950s Mr Mandela toured South Africa, organising campaigns of mass civil disobedience. Charged under the Suppression of Communism Act in 1952, Mr Mandela received a suspended prison sentence and was later banned from public meetings and confined to Johannessburg for six months." http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-10524587 Whether the man allowed S.A. to crumble into ruins, I can't argue with his willingness to fight and throw off the yoke of his white 'slave' masters from Europe. Sounds like a lot of Nazi shit to me? Chris Quote HistoryQuoted:
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If UN troops invaded Utah would you accept anti tank rockets from Cuba? Yeah, let's see how many ARFcommers would just sit back and take it, if BHO came out and by decree stated that since he's such a swell guy and of mixed race, nobody going forward can marry somebody of the same race and by the way, you can only live where the government tells you to live. "The origins of apartheid - apartness - went right back to the very beginnings of European rule in Southern Africa, but it was only with the election of the first National Party government in 1948, in a white-only ballot, that racial segregation was thoroughly codified in law. In legal terms, apartheid had three main pillars: The Race Classification Act, which classified every citizen suspected of not being European according to race. The Mixed Marriages Act, which prohibited marriage between people of different races. The Group Areas Act, which forced people of certain races into living in designated areas. In the early 1950s Mr Mandela toured South Africa, organising campaigns of mass civil disobedience. Charged under the Suppression of Communism Act in 1952, Mr Mandela received a suspended prison sentence and was later banned from public meetings and confined to Johannessburg for six months." http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-10524587 Whether the man allowed S.A. to crumble into ruins, I can't argue with his willingness to fight and throw off the yoke of his white 'slave' masters from Europe. Sounds like a lot of Nazi shit to me? Chris None of my thoughts would be "let's just go kill random fucking people" |
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Posted: 12/5/2013 3:30:33 PM EST
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Rot in hell Mandela.
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Posted: 12/5/2013 3:31:32 PM EST
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This is what pisses me off, as a South African the rest of the World compares apartheid SA to the Nazis, you make it seem as if the cops drove around all night and broke into blacks homes and killed the lot of them. The truth is, yes the police went around and took out some blacks a lot of them, most if not all of these targets were ANC (A recognized terrorist group) and ANC sympathizers, there were very few random knock and shoots, what do you think, we had millions of cops with out anything else to do? Their targets were terrorists, the World media made it seem it was all of the black population but they were after the terrs. Was apartheid wrong? Yes it was, was it the only way to keep savage behavior off the streets and out of communities (The same behavior that we see there now) yes it was at that time I'm going to say this as diplomatically as I can... ...if the only way your country could figure out how to maintain law and order was to subjugate the majority of the population, strip them of fundamental human rights, encode in your laws that they were less than human, and subject them to some of the most vicious tyranny of the 20th century, then your fucked up country run by small-minded racist fucking tyrants deserved to fucking fail and collapse in fucking bloody anarchy and I have no fucking sympathy at all. You may not realize it, but your arguments are eerily similar to some of the justifications captured Nazi leadership gave for the anti-Jewish Nuremberg Laws and forced relocation of undesirables to ghettos and concentration camps. "We HAD to, or they would have destroyed each other and us all! They're savages who consume nations! It was the only way to preserve the state!." Your whining is nothing more than bullshit excuses for brutal tyranny. The only real difference, as was pointed out earlier, is that your government didn't go as far as extermination camps. But, again, a lack of infrastructure does not absolve you. You are making excuses for the unforgivable and I have no sympathy for the fate of your nation as it faces the consequences of its sins, as terrible and self-destructive as they may be. Was Mandela a saint? No. I've never read about armed revolutionaries that were. Even our own founding fathers did some shitty things, especially to the natives that were their erstwhile allies, although they were much better than most. The vast majority are vicious, dangerous, capable men with a lust for power in the wrong place at the right time to get the upper hand on a slightly different monster. Mandela was faced with elitist racist fascists who kept power with terror and violence, and so he turned to pretty much the one and only anti-establishment movement of the time that promised something a hell of a lot better, took the help provided by that faction, and gave his oppressors a dose of their own medicine. It was hideous from both sides. I don't doubt he murdered people. I don't doubt he blew up busloads of children. I also know for a fact that the Transvaal government murdered blacks pretty prodigiously, children, adults, you name it. They don't get to claim the moral high ground, not even fucking close. Your nation created a monster and then screamed at the injustice of the consequences of their own actions. Not one fucking shred of sympathy. Not now, not ever. Rhodesia I feel bad for. Mugabe I hate. Apartheid South Africa was a despicable, unforgivable place. |
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Posted: 12/5/2013 3:32:25 PM EST
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I can understand a black South African wanting to fight the apartheid system and being tempted to embrace retarded communist ideas. And he does deserve praise for encouraging reconciliation over revenge when the whites finally conceded. He easily could have turned into another Mugabe once he was released from prison.
But to act like Mandela was some kind of non-violent peace activist is laughable. He was jailed because he was a terrorist leader, not because he sat in the white seats on a bus or whatever. The guy was more like Che Guevara than MLK or Ghandi. |
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Posted: 12/5/2013 3:32:50 PM EST
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Fact check what? Jesus Christ. TRY and be a little more helpful in your replies. Then we could maybe make some progress. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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It's your lucky day. Read a post from an actual South African a page or two back. He'll inform you what many history books on the communist insurgency in SA will learn you. ...and in about 10 minutes. Was he a white or black SA? I imagine that would make a difference in perspective. Is honesty owned by one race? All you have to do is fact check it for yourself. Fact check what? Jesus Christ. TRY and be a little more helpful in your replies. Then we could maybe make some progress. Did you read his post yet? I suppose that's why you don't know what to fact check. I'll copy and paste it if you have further trouble. |
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Posted: 12/5/2013 3:33:27 PM EST
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The man was a murderer and a commie.
No fucks given. |
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Posted: 12/5/2013 3:33:34 PM EST
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Was he a white or black SA? I imagine that would make a difference in perspective. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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It's your lucky day. Read a post from an actual South African a page or two back. He'll inform you what many history books on the communist insurgency in SA will learn you. ...and in about 10 minutes. Was he a white or black SA? I imagine that would make a difference in perspective. Is child killing, and setting civilians on fire a good thing from normal people perspective? Fucking libs man. |
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Posted: 12/5/2013 3:35:32 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Is child killing, and setting civilians on fire a good thing from normal people perspective? Fucking libs man. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: It's your lucky day. Read a post from an actual South African a page or two back. He'll inform you what many history books on the communist insurgency in SA will learn you. ...and in about 10 minutes. Was he a white or black SA? I imagine that would make a difference in perspective. Is child killing, and setting civilians on fire a good thing from normal people perspective? Fucking libs man. Not to mention there was probably about the same number of blacks as whites killed under him. He was colorblind, any non-Marxist was his enemy. Boiling down his war in S Africa to race is fucking stupid
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Posted: 12/5/2013 3:35:45 PM EST
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Did you read his post yet? I suppose that's why you don't know what to fact check. I'll copy and paste it if you have further trouble. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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It's your lucky day. Read a post from an actual South African a page or two back. He'll inform you what many history books on the communist insurgency in SA will learn you. ...and in about 10 minutes. Was he a white or black SA? I imagine that would make a difference in perspective. Is honesty owned by one race? All you have to do is fact check it for yourself. Fact check what? Jesus Christ. TRY and be a little more helpful in your replies. Then we could maybe make some progress. Did you read his post yet? I suppose that's why you don't know what to fact check. I'll copy and paste it if you have further trouble. Read his post and do what with it? Dude, you're making no sense. I'm sure as a white dude, his life was pretty sweet until those pesky negroes tried to fight for equality. |
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