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Posted: 6/19/2023 1:10:29 AM EST
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Campaign Medals signify war service, not time periods. I have zero issues with old timers wearing hats and well whatever they want. The OIF/OEF stuff is too recent in my opinion, but everyone should do whatever they want in that regard.
For myself, it’s a weird thing I guess to be proud of something, but it’s more of a self pride where recognition isn’t desired, in fact it’s avoided at all costs. |
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Posted: 6/19/2023 4:47:58 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You wouldn't get it. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: So why the service badge under your avatar then? You wouldn't get it. Explain it then please. I don’t understand the badmouthing of vets by other vets simply for showing their service by wearing caps when the shit talkers do the exact same using a digital symbol. If you really don’t want the attention or recognition why even bother with any of that. You can’t have it both ways. |
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Posted: 6/19/2023 6:53:49 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Pretty much the same for me. I’ve worn unit tees or Operation Golden Pheasant tee which I gave to an ex gf to at post gyms on days I got groceries at the commissary or during 4th of July after old timers gave me lectures about clothing and US flag prohibited codes. Back in college I had a 2nd ID sticker on my POV which got trashed by the Berkeley crowd so that was the last time I put anything on my car but surfing ????? related in California. Had an OEF hat and a 10th Mountain hat from my time at Ft Drum but the OEF hat was stolen and I only had the opportunity to wear it once or twice max while I did yard work. I see guys with 4 different kinds of USMC stickers on car windows which to me is a bit over kill or a CIB with jump wings and rank stickers on windows even saw a meritorious service medal sticker lol. More power to em I guess. I’m more into putting stuff from Hawaii or surf stuff although nothing on my current vehicle atm. I did donate and buy an Operation surf tee when I learned about that orgs work with disabled vets but have only worn that tee once to a casual Friday at a previous job. In five decades I have never worn or shown anything depicting being a Vietnam Veteran, until a few years ago. I bought a new Tundra truck. For some reason reason when driving it I had the tendency to speed. The truck would always seem to go faster than I realized it was going. I got two speeding tickets. My friend, who is a Sheriff's Deputy, suggested that I get a veteran's tag. He told me the deputies were more inclined to give warning tickets to veterans. I had to go in and get my driver's license renewed so I went ahead and got the Vietnam War Veteran tag. It worked. In the four or five years afterwards I have only got warning tickets. The ole "thank you for your service and slow down next time". Also, I have learned to slow down. |
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Posted: 6/19/2023 7:05:00 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: In five decades I have never worn or shown anything depicting being a Vietnam Veteran, until a few years ago. I bought a new Tundra truck. For some reason reason when driving it I had the tendency to speed. The truck would always seem to go faster than I realized it was going. I got two speeding tickets. My friend, who is a Sheriff's Deputy, suggested that I get a veteran's tag. He told me the deputies were more inclined to give warning tickets to veterans. I had to go in and get my driver's license renewed so I went ahead and got the Vietnam War Veteran tag. It worked. In the four or five years afterwards I have only got warning tickets. The ole "thank you for your service and slow down next time". Also, I have learned to slow down. The most practical application of all. |
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Posted: 6/19/2023 7:12:12 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Did you do Iraq? Most of the guys who went (in all branches) never saw anything more dangerous than the Puerto Rican E-4 chicks on MWR Salsa Night (regardless of their war stories) so it don't translate to hats. The whore-er. The whore-er. |
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Posted: 6/19/2023 7:29:46 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I think most of us are busy moving on with our lives and not really into wearing the military equivalent of a high school letterman jacket in our late 30's and later years. We have our Desert Storm unit reunion every two years and a few of the guys wear unit hats. Some of them say Desert Storm vet. |
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Posted: 6/19/2023 7:50:09 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: In five decades I have never worn or shown anything depicting being a Vietnam Veteran, until a few years ago. I bought a new Tundra truck. For some reason reason when driving it I had the tendency to speed. The truck would always seem to go faster than I realized it was going. I got two speeding tickets. My friend, who is a Sheriff's Deputy, suggested that I get a veteran's tag. He told me the deputies were more inclined to give warning tickets to veterans. I had to go in and get my driver's license renewed so I went ahead and got the Vietnam War Veteran tag. It worked. In the four or five years afterwards I have only got warning tickets. The ole "thank you for your service and slow down next time". Also, I have learned to slow down. Los Angeles and San Francisco traffic meant no choice but to go slow for me, no option for speed |
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Posted: 6/19/2023 11:40:09 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Speaking of which where are the Afghan war hats? Those guys grew beards, got a service dog with a nifty harness, and a VA disability instead. All we got was VD, serious drug and alcohol habit, and a hat and tee shirt. |
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Posted: 6/19/2023 11:47:45 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Explain it then please. I don’t understand the badmouthing of vets by other vets simply for showing their service by wearing caps when the shit talkers do the exact same using a digital symbol. If you really don’t want the attention or recognition why even bother with any of that. You can’t have it both ways. That's going to leave a mark. Every single person serving post-Vietnam was a volunteer. They have every right to be proud of their service, in whatever capacity. Some of the chest-pounding here is a lot sadder than a guy wearing an OIF/OEF hat who supervised the TCNs in the DFAC. |
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Posted: 6/19/2023 12:22:41 PM EST
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All gave some. Some gave all.
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Posted: 6/19/2023 1:30:43 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The most practical application of all. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: In five decades I have never worn or shown anything depicting being a Vietnam Veteran, until a few years ago. I bought a new Tundra truck. For some reason reason when driving it I had the tendency to speed. The truck would always seem to go faster than I realized it was going. I got two speeding tickets. My friend, who is a Sheriff's Deputy, suggested that I get a veteran's tag. He told me the deputies were more inclined to give warning tickets to veterans. I had to go in and get my driver's license renewed so I went ahead and got the Vietnam War Veteran tag. It worked. In the four or five years afterwards I have only got warning tickets. The ole "thank you for your service and slow down next time". Also, I have learned to slow down. The most practical application of all. I'm certain that my Vet plates have saved me more than once. |
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Posted: 6/19/2023 4:27:47 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: This all day! My ex father in law joined the Guard to avoid Vietnam but the phony cocksucker would stand up and be recognized as a Vet at different gatherings. I finally told him that he did a helluva job because the swingsets in the park never got attacked while he was in. The absolute shittiest thing about the guard and reserve in the early to mid 1990s was how many useless senior personnel jacking stuff up were that had joined ages ago to dodge the draft. |
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Posted: 6/19/2023 4:36:20 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Have a neighbor whose truck back window looks like a 201 file. All good and I don't fault guys for wearing that stuff but you're not going to see me wearing any of that regalia. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: You wouldn't get it. Have a neighbor whose truck back window looks like a 201 file. All good and I don't fault guys for wearing that stuff but you're not going to see me wearing any of that regalia. This. |
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Posted: 6/19/2023 4:40:40 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Explain it then please. I don’t understand the badmouthing of vets by other vets simply for showing their service by wearing caps when the shit talkers do the exact same using a digital symbol. If you really don’t want the attention or recognition why even bother with any of that. You can’t have it both ways. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: So why the service badge under your avatar then? You wouldn't get it. Explain it then please. I don’t understand the badmouthing of vets by other vets simply for showing their service by wearing caps when the shit talkers do the exact same using a digital symbol. If you really don’t want the attention or recognition why even bother with any of that. You can’t have it both ways. Huge difference with some flair on the internet and some guy roaming the streets aggressively looking to be recognized and thanked. I’m 100% some random guy here and i like that. In the real world i think it’s kind of sad for guys to rock the “hey look at me” flair, be it a hat, t shirt or whatever. I don't do it and i rarely speak about my time in the military. To each his own. |
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Posted: 6/19/2023 6:43:34 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Huge difference with some flair on the internet and some guy roaming the streets aggressively looking to be recognized and thanked. I’m 100% some random guy here and i like that. In the real world i think it’s kind of sad for guys to rock the “hey look at me” flair, be it a hat, t shirt or whatever. I don't do it and i rarely speak about my time in the military. To each his own. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: So why the service badge under your avatar then? You wouldn't get it. Explain it then please. I don’t understand the badmouthing of vets by other vets simply for showing their service by wearing caps when the shit talkers do the exact same using a digital symbol. If you really don’t want the attention or recognition why even bother with any of that. You can’t have it both ways. Huge difference with some flair on the internet and some guy roaming the streets aggressively looking to be recognized and thanked. I’m 100% some random guy here and i like that. In the real world i think it’s kind of sad for guys to rock the “hey look at me” flair, be it a hat, t shirt or whatever. I don't do it and i rarely speak about my time in the military. To each his own. I have zero issue with your opinion on that. On the other hand, I have zero issue with someone else thinking the same about hey look at me flair on the internet. |
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Posted: 6/19/2023 9:04:58 PM EST
[#16]
I signed up with the Marines at the beginning of 1991.
The Marines put me into the mos 4066/4032. 4066 at Camp LeJeune and 4032 in Okinawa. I didn’t get to experience what I wanted, looking back as an old man I would have taken the ASVAB after a night of partying “in those days” not now. I sat in an AC room on a mainframe switching tapes out from a Banyan Vines mainfraim, backing up whatever was going through communications on MCB LeJeune. Most of the time through the night we would play Shadowrun or Chess. Later in Okinawa it went to 4034 and I went around the base upgrading servers and computers the base had. I wouldn’t wear one of those hats, I don’t deserve it like some of you, just that I’ve never seen one. Maybe someday I’ll see one and it will bring back memories. That’s all I meant. /cheers |
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Posted: 6/19/2023 9:40:59 PM EST
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My dream job was to be on the front lines as a Marine Corps medic.
Fighting and healing/rescuing. I was young and didn’t know the Marines have no medics. /Navy That is what I wanted. |
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Posted: 6/19/2023 10:00:20 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I signed up with the Marines at the beginning of 1991. The Marines put me into the mos 4066/4032. 4066 at Camp LeJeune and 4032 in Okinawa. I didn’t get to experience what I wanted, looking back as an old man I would have taken the ASVAB after a night of partying “in those days” not now. I sat in an AC room on a mainframe switching tapes out from a Banyan Vines mainfraim, backing up whatever was going through communications on MCB LeJeune. Most of the time through the night we would play Shadowrun or Chess. Later in Okinawa it went to 4034 and I went around the base upgrading servers and computers the base had. I wouldn’t wear one of those hats, I don’t deserve it like some of you, just that I’ve never seen one. Maybe someday I’ll see one and it will bring back memories. That’s all I meant. /cheers You enlisted, went where you were told and did the job you were trained for. That’s more than most. |
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Posted: 6/19/2023 10:23:26 PM EST
[#19]
By the time I got through Benning (Basic/AIT/Airborne), it was over!!!
 What was crazy was that with a year in the DMZ and the training, I had more time doing fun shit than the boys in my 82nd unit that played in the sand by the time I made it back to Bragg.  |
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Posted: 6/20/2023 3:06:48 PM EST
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Posted: 6/20/2023 3:18:00 PM EST
[#21]
Mystery solved it’s the hats
 https://www.ar15.com/forums/General/US-Army-involvement-in-the-pacific-theater-/5-2653325/?page=1  Attached File |
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Posted: 6/20/2023 3:40:35 PM EST
[#22]
disregard - off topic
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Posted: 6/20/2023 4:28:08 PM EST
[#23]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Generation Kill Restrepo Korengal Lone Survivor 12 Strong Whiskey Tango Foxtrot Rock The Casbah The Outpost War Machine The Covenant Armadillo The Hornets Nest Hell and Back Again The Hurt Locker American Sniper War Dogs Green Zone Hyena Road Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: How about movies? They're still making VN movies (war lasted well under decade) and under a dozen about Mideast Desert Wars Parts - that smeared across several decades. New movie about Vietnam every year, sometimes a half dozen in one year back in the 80s. I was hoping to see what they could make of the Iraq and Afghanistan wars but tit seemed they got the shitting on military mostly out of their system and they didn't want to build non-jungle movie sets or something. Restrepo Korengal Lone Survivor 12 Strong Whiskey Tango Foxtrot Rock The Casbah The Outpost War Machine The Covenant Armadillo The Hornets Nest Hell and Back Again The Hurt Locker American Sniper War Dogs Green Zone Hyena Road To add to this: The Longest Month.  THE LONGEST MONTH - Official Trailer (2022) |
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Posted: 6/20/2023 4:39:56 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: How about movies? They're still making VN movies (war lasted well under decade) and under a dozen about Mideast Desert Wars Parts - that smeared across several decades. New movie about Vietnam every year, sometimes a half dozen in one year back in the 80s. I was hoping to see what they could make of the Iraq and Afghanistan wars but tit seemed they got the shitting on military mostly out of their system and they didn't want to build non-jungle movie sets or something. Restrepo Korengal Lone Survivor 12 Strong Whiskey Tango Foxtrot Rock The Casbah The Outpost War Machine The Covenant Armadillo The Hornets Nest Hell and Back Again The Hurt Locker American Sniper War Dogs Green Zone Hyena Road To add to this: The Longest Month.  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CMih0oZLRoc |
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Posted: 6/20/2023 4:42:59 PM EST
[#25]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Did you do Iraq? Most of the guys who went (in all branches) never saw anything more dangerous than the Puerto Rican E-4 chicks on MWR Salsa Night (regardless of their war stories) so it don't translate to hats. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Like there is “Veteran of the Vietnam War” hats. Up here there is a lot of them. The Vietnam Nam ones. I have not seen one Iraq war veteran hat. Is that because only Marines would be able to wear them? Did you do Iraq? Most of the guys who went (in all branches) never saw anything more dangerous than the Puerto Rican E-4 chicks on MWR Salsa Night (regardless of their war stories) so it don't translate to hats. |
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Posted: 6/20/2023 4:50:26 PM EST
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Quoted: I have not seen one Iraq war veteran hat. Google up "custom made Iraq War Veteran ball cap" https://www.google.com/search?q=custom+made+Iraq+War+Veteran+ball+cap There are literally thousands of on-line websites that will make you one. "Google, it's a motherfucker" ™ ® © by KA3B |
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Posted: 6/21/2023 6:48:08 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: My wife has a relative that constantly wears Irag war veteran hats (so I can attest that they do exist) interchangeably with desert storm hats because he says they the same thing. He gets 100% disability from PTSD, has 3 service dogs he dresses up in molle vests with veteran patches all over and even has custom doggie dress blues he puts them in for formal events so they'll be matchy matchy. He hangs out at VFW's retailing how he's "seen some shit" and his truck is covered in "I'm a veteran, please clap" stickers. He was a truck driver in the reserves during desert storm/desert shield and never deployed or so much as left the states.  I had to check your state.....a kid here in town is his clone. And also a stateside truck driver that never did shit. We were at a bonfire once an his Dad (who doesn't know any better) pulled me aside in hushhush tones....."I can tell you this because you are a veteran, Special Forces has been recruiting my son" I looked across the fire at his grossly over weight son, wearing a TShirt that said something about "University of DD214", with a Budweiser in one hand and a bag of Cheetos in the other......
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Posted: 6/21/2023 4:45:52 PM EST
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There's a lot of CVMA members that have Iraq and Afghanistan patches on their vests.
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Posted: 6/21/2023 5:25:28 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: For that plate, it's nein necessary. From the application form: Proof that the applicant was awarded the Army of Occupation Medal, current or former member of the United States military who was permanently assigned to occupation forces in specific overseas locations during the Cold War between May 9, 1945, and October 2, 1990 They are turning into some sort of Cold War medal substitute. |
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