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Posted: 1/5/2020 2:57:58 AM EDT
What exactly is it about the Russian psyche and style of leadership that leads to them consistently and repeatedly refusing to "play nice" on the world stage?

When the USSR collapsed, Russia had their chance to fully shed themselves of communism by joining in the world market. They were handed that leaf and refused to take it, instead choosing to continue to bolster their economy by large-scale arms trades and shady alliances with the gangsters of the world.

They're a country full of highly intelligent people who would dominate the world stage - and avoid a lot of other trouble - if they would stop acting like your uncle who shows up drunk to every family gathering.
Link Posted: 1/5/2020 2:58:54 AM EDT
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Because they show up drunk to everything....
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Because it's basically Slavic Mexico.
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And their taste in music absolutely sucks
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One thing with Putin he always does what he says he is going to do. Kinda like Trump. Does exactly what he states he is going to do if you do stupid shit.
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900 years of paranoia, starvation, poverty and hopelessness.
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Corruption is a way of life, they play the strength over weakness game in every endeavor.
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What exactly is it about the Russian psyche and style of leadership that leads to them consistently and repeatedly refusing to "play nice" on the world stage?

When the USSR collapsed, Russia had their chance to fully shed themselves of communism by joining in the world market. They were handed that leaf and refused to take it, instead choosing to continue to bolster their economy by large-scale arms trades and shady alliances with the gangsters of the world.

They're a country full of highly intelligent people who would dominate the world stage - and avoid a lot of other trouble - if they would stop acting like your uncle who shows up drunk to every family gathering.
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Are they...

LoL,
Link Posted: 1/5/2020 3:08:48 AM EDT
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Because of history
Link Posted: 1/5/2020 3:10:53 AM EDT
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All those years of eating shoe polish sandwiches and drinking brake fluid have an effect...

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Como se dice....vodka?
Link Posted: 1/5/2020 3:13:54 AM EDT
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That first post thing again
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And a long-cultivated sense of inferiority turned to over-superiority.

When one of the worst insults in your culture is “uncultured”, and the Mayors of Moscow keep or loose their job based on rumors about their relationship with the Bolshoi...there’s a ton of complicated things going on.

I have some Russian-born friends (a Soviet-era fighter pilot brought here post USSR breakup by the US government and his wife).  You sit down and talk with them...and things get complicated quickly.  Medicine, psychology, government, news, driving in his neighborhood...complicated.  Great people.  But knowing them helped me understand that Russia is not a simple place to understand.  Good food.  Nice people.  Fun guns.  Wouldn’t really want to live there.  Maybe vacation if we get on better terms.  Bit cold in the winter.  And complicated.
Link Posted: 1/5/2020 3:16:43 AM EDT
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Go to YouTube and search for Russian car crash videos.

Get back to us on your intelligent people idea.
Link Posted: 1/5/2020 3:20:26 AM EDT
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What exactly is it about the Russian psyche and style of leadership that leads to them consistently and repeatedly refusing to "play nice" on the world stage?

When the USSR collapsed, Russia had their chance to fully shed themselves of communism by joining in the world market. They were handed that leaf and refused to take it, instead choosing to continue to bolster their economy by large-scale arms trades and shady alliances with the gangsters of the world.

They're a country full of highly intelligent people who would dominate the world stage - and avoid a lot of other trouble - if they would stop acting like your uncle who shows up drunk to every family gathering.
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Actually, the "cold warriors" here in the US continued fighting the war after the fall, and that meant Russia never had a chance on the world market. We threw insane amounts of business and investments at China instead (look where that got us) while freezing out eastern europe. We had a chance to create an ally, but the military-industrial complex still needed the enemy. Russia needed to survive, and they did what they had to.

Just look at how hard it is to get people to seriously think of China as an enemy, while we treat a country with an economy slightly smaller than that of Texas as the boogeyman.
Link Posted: 1/5/2020 3:22:57 AM EDT
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Who are we to judge? It's not exactly like we're "normal" on the world stage either. We just are who we are, deal with it.
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Best analogy on why Russia is the way it is I've ever heard.
Link Posted: 1/5/2020 3:26:51 AM EDT
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This, plus Vodka and Raped by Asians.
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lol, no

Russia is Mexico with snow.

Don’t be a rube that repeats this worn out BS online.
Link Posted: 1/5/2020 3:39:56 AM EDT
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Who are we to judge? It's not exactly like we're "normal" on the world stage either. We just are who we are, deal with it.
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Exactly. Think of all the Florida Man articles, drag queen storytimes, bums shitting on needle-filled streets, etc
Link Posted: 1/5/2020 3:44:09 AM EDT
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Had some Russian friends in college.   Post-collapse and rich parents.

They were some odd folks.  Fun, but odd.

It was like that kid that grew up with methed out parents in the trailer park that started a tech company.  Accidentally rich, mind still in the trailer park.
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All those years of eating shoe polish sandwiches and drinking brake fluid have an effect...

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They're the biggest geopolitical failure of the century. They're witnessing Putin turn their country into a commodity market instead of letting them produce anything with their resources, because Russian oligarchs are terrified of the population being a little self reliant.

Since Trump has become POTUS, we've installed Patriot missile batteries in Lithuania, Poland, Romania, and Latvia. We've also strengthened our ties from Estonia to Romania and we're reeling Ukraine back in.  This is a border wall of countries that isn't going away and a very large reminder that no one wants to be aligned with people as stupid as the Russians, except the dirty Chinese and Iranians who also exploit and kill their own people with secret police forces.

Union of Soviet Socialist Republics, nobody who has ever lived under that BS wants to go back.  Everyone calls the Chinese communist, but they're actually socialist as per their constitution, nobody wants that garbage. The Iranians are also all about their revolutionary BS too, with a very similar message as the other two heaps of trash. Everything the Russians touch is shit, Nicaragua, Cuba, Venezuela etc.
Link Posted: 1/5/2020 4:39:12 AM EDT
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This guy disagrees with you.  

Link Posted: 1/5/2020 4:44:15 AM EDT
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We will always be in a geopolitical struggle for resources with Eurasia.
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Actually, the "cold warriors" here in the US continued fighting the war after the fall, and that meant Russia never had a chance on the world market. We threw insane amounts of business and investments at China instead (look where that got us) while freezing out eastern europe. We had a chance to create an ally, but the military-industrial complex still needed the enemy. Russia needed to survive, and they did what they had to.

Just look at how hard it is to get people to seriously think of China as an enemy, while we treat a country with an economy slightly smaller than that of Texas as the boogeyman.
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You're damn right we did, and we did that because they thought they were going to still have a sphere of influence, that's not allowed.  As you can see they're right back to being stupid and still exporting leftist BS, they never stopped, and they're going to keep paying until they get it. Look at how long it took the countries around them to abandon socialism, most of them still have strong socialist parties. There's also the danger of separatist movements forming when you've fucked up the populations around you. Russians need to keep eating shit until they get it and do away with their oligarchs.
Link Posted: 1/5/2020 5:06:23 AM EDT
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I suspect that losing almost 25% of your population has an impact on a nation's psyche

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Sure.  But the Poles...damn if they don’t have their heads screwed on straight.  And got it worse as a percentage of population.  Dunno if that’s the only reason.
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Have you turned on your radio on the way to work?  The trash they call  music on the radio here is the worst ever.  Unless you're a ball worshiper and listen to how people handle each other's balls that's about all unless you record your own music or have satellite radio and listen to older music.  We have the world's crappiest music on the planet.
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Isn't vodka the blood type?
Link Posted: 1/5/2020 8:33:41 AM EDT
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Because Russia is basically the country sized equivalent of a trailer park with a meth lab.
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Russians are the international version of "Florida Man".
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That FPNI thing is amazing
Link Posted: 1/5/2020 8:49:25 AM EDT
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Enemies Foreign and Domestic.  
You can’t change them.....Ever.
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Those traits are because of the 900 year history of being overrun by every invading horde in history.  WWII being the last and worst of them all.  You cannot meet a Russian who did not lose close family members in WWII.   Now they have the poser to stop it and they act accordingly.  Any threat to the homeland triggers them.  They are no friends of the Chinese and their current game of appearing to get closer to them is a response to Trump.  He is the first president since Reagan that they cannot bully or pay off.
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After deliberately murdering a few million of them by starvation and bad policy.

Russia has always been backward, and they know it -read a bio of Peter the Great to see how far back this goes.

Many of the best Russians leave.
Link Posted: 1/5/2020 8:58:56 AM EDT
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Vodka
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They're tbe Florida of EurAsia.
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As the saying goes, "All politics is personal".

When it comes down to what kind of government people support (tolerate or vote for), they ALWAYS support the one that they think will do the most for them personally.

The same applies to the US, by the way . . .
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It's operated on the principals of coercive governing since forever. When the USSR collapsed, the people who assumed control of the new government were all of the same people running shit in the old government. The old bureaucracy just went into full on thuggery. They controlled the black markets. They  sold off national assets. assumed all offices of authority and pretty much became a kleptocracy of the select few. There were plenty of political assassinations between competing factions of the old insitutions vying for control over the new Russian Federation. Allainces and cartels/ cabals were formed.  And how you got a KGB agent as leader.
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Lots of alcohol poisoning to offset whatever very intelligent people there.
Link Posted: 1/5/2020 9:16:50 AM EDT
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Russia was taken over by organized crime when the Soviet Union fell.
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Lots of alcohol poisoning to offset whatever very intelligent people there.
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Lots of alcohol poisoning to offset whatever very intelligent people there.
The males drink themselves to death in their 50's.
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Imperial and Soviet Russia always suffered from "short man syndrome", it's ingrained in them and there is no reason to think that that has changed at this date with the Russian Federation.

One only has to look at how the Tsar thought it would be a fine idea to sail their Baltic Fleet around the world (Voyage of the Damned) to get at the Japanese and were slaughtered in The Battle of Tsushima.

The Russian 2nd Pacific Squadron - Voyage of the Damned
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It was an allegiance between organized crime and the old military/ intelligence/ civil gov institutions. Some of those allegiances existed before the fall.
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