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Posted: 9/14/2024 9:08:25 PM EST
[#1]
I have a button on two of my guns and I don’t shift my grip at all to depress it.
The paddle release is cool and I had it on a Walter. But it’s not some requirement for a fast and efficient reload. |
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Posted: 9/14/2024 9:10:47 PM EST
[#2]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I have a button on two of my guns and I don’t shift my grip at all to depress it. The paddle release is cool and I had it on a Walter. But it’s not some requirement for a fast and efficient reload. It's significantly slower, and isn't Ambidextrous. |
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Posted: 9/14/2024 9:39:38 PM EST
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Quoted: Everyone knows the HK paddle mag release is one of God's gifts too the world. Yet almost nobody even copies one. Ive heard Walther does....But ive never actually seen one in the wild. I don't have small hands but on most handguns I need to shift my grip to hit the mag release on most of these things. WTF gives? Does anyone actually shoot their guns? or Try to do a rapid mag change. I just don't understand.... I wan't to buy a pistol other than an HK but why even bother with such a disgusting mag release. Guess that makes me an HK "fanboi" ....such a low bar, they came out with the paddle mag release in what the 80's? And nobody else uses it? Gun companies are a joke. Honestly, if you cannot shoot a 1911 or a SIG due to the mag release, you really can't shoot. I can shoot a P7 PSP with a heel release because I spent the time to learn to shoot it. When USPs came out I loved the mag release and it's a neat trick to drop it with your index finger, but I can still shoot a 1911 and a PSP. |
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Posted: 9/14/2024 9:43:02 PM EST
[#4]
I am a fan of the HK mag release
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Posted: 9/14/2024 9:48:21 PM EST
[#5]
I prefer the paddle mag release. Both of my main carry guns (VP9 and VP9sk) have them. I don't mind push button mag releases, but I'm a little slower with them.
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Posted: 9/14/2024 9:50:13 PM EST
[#6]
My first pistol was a USP so that's how I learned. Nowadays with configurable releases, I move the mag release to the right side and use my middle finger as it feels more natural and the motion is mechanically identical to a HK paddle release for me.
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Posted: 9/14/2024 9:51:27 PM EST
[#7]
Have a Walther PPQ with the paddle and it's actually better than HKs design because it is longer. My wife stole it as it's her favorite 'fun' pistol. I too wish they were more common but I don't shun guns with button releases because it works fine as well.
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Posted: 9/14/2024 9:51:59 PM EST
[#8]
I prefer the button myself. Simpler mechanism and simpler motion to accomplish under duress.
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Posted: 9/14/2024 9:53:11 PM EST
[#9]
Quote HistoryQuoted: It's significantly slower, and isn't Ambidextrous. I can reload in about 1.0 and I’ve seen competition shooters with a reload split of .7 There’s no issue getting speed with a button, with practice. No, the button isn’t ambidextrous. That’s an advantage of a paddle release. |
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Posted: 9/14/2024 9:56:50 PM EST
[#10]
Quoted: Everyone knows the HK paddle mag release is one of God's gifts too the world. Yet almost nobody even copies one. Ive heard Walther does....But ive never actually seen one in the wild. I don't have small hands but on most handguns I need to shift my grip to hit the mag release on most of these things. WTF gives? Does anyone actually shoot their guns? or Try to do a rapid mag change. I just don't understand.... I wan't to buy a pistol other than an HK but why even bother with such a disgusting mag release. Guess that makes me an HK "fanboi" ....such a low bar, they came out with the paddle mag release in what the 80's? And nobody else uses it? Gun companies are a joke. Lot's of words to simply say "operator error". |
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Posted: 9/14/2024 9:59:30 PM EST
[#11]
Quote HistoryQuoted: It's significantly slower, and isn't Ambidextrous. No it’s not and it actually works better for lefty shooters. You grip mag and hit button with your thumb allowing you to remove mags while retaining a firing grip with your left hand. You then hit bolt release with trigger finger. Nothing is faster. |
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Posted: 9/14/2024 10:03:35 PM EST
[#12]
Yea, those things are gay.
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Posted: 9/14/2024 10:10:01 PM EST
[#13]
Weird, I quite dislike the paddle release on my Walther PPS.
Very awkward to get to and I have to have both hands on the gun to release it, while pointing the gun to my left and possibly flagging others. My "modern" striker fired pistols are pretty easy to get the mag to release with a button one handed. If you are a lefty, I can see the issue of buttons, especially if only one sided and you can't swap sides. My Ruger P89 has very functional ambi buttons. |
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Posted: 9/14/2024 10:16:11 PM EST
[#14]
Quote HistoryQuoted: No it's not and it actually works better for lefty shooters. You grip mag and hit button with your thumb allowing you to remove mags while retaining a firing grip with your left hand. You then hit bolt release with trigger finger. Nothing is faster. |
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Posted: 9/14/2024 10:18:50 PM EST
[#15]
I agree the paddle release is the best, for some of the 1911's I have which had a stiff release magazine button I've just put in a weaker spring. Problem solved, problem staying solved.
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Posted: 9/14/2024 10:19:34 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: My first pistol was a USP so that's how I learned. Nowadays with configurable releases, I move the mag release to the right side and use my middle finger as it feels more natural and the motion is mechanically identical to a HK paddle release for me. Yup, my G21 has the mag release button on the right side for the exact same reason, to mimic the paddle release on my VP9. |
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Posted: 9/14/2024 10:21:59 PM EST
[#17]
How many wars did the paddle mag release win?
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Posted: 9/14/2024 10:23:18 PM EST
[#18]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I am a fan of the HK mag release |
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Posted: 9/14/2024 10:31:31 PM EST
[#19]
JMB got it right over a century ago.
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Posted: 9/14/2024 10:31:59 PM EST
[#20]
OP, are you Jared Goff?
 Attached FileThe paddles are not good. The VP9 are especially bad because they don’t always sit flush to the trigger guard and can poke your finger:  Buttons are best and if you’re a lefty, many allow for swapping over to the other side. If you’re going to tout the one in a billion chance that you get into a gunfight where you lose the use of your right hand and need to reload, you’re living in a world of make believe and picked the wrong fight. |
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Posted: 9/14/2024 10:38:20 PM EST
[#21]
I don't carry spare pistol mags.
With my carry p365 I'm going to use my 12 rounds to create the opportunity to GTFO of whatever bad place I'm in. With the 92fs in my nightstand if 17 rounds isn't enough I'm going to use it to get to my closet and pick up my loaded 30rd AR. I just don't see pistol reloads as something I'm likely to do, so I don't prioritize making it faster. |
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Posted: 9/14/2024 10:42:16 PM EST
[#22]
I wonder how paddle releases would work on something small like the size of the bodyguard 2.0
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Posted: 9/14/2024 10:50:03 PM EST
[#23]
I'm with you OP, I prefer the HK paddle mag release. And I'm not big into pistols so I'm not stuck in the muscle memory of button mag releases, and because of that I can judge them more fairly. The paddle mag release is just better.
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Posted: 9/14/2024 10:52:31 PM EST
[#24]
First we got guys who can't use sights, now we got guys who can't use a mag release.
This place is a trip sometimes. |
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Posted: 9/14/2024 11:40:04 PM EST
[#25]
Quote HistoryQuoted: First we got guys who can't use sights, now we got guys who can't use a mag release. This place is a trip sometimes. Don't forget those who can't function without adjustable grips and custom triggers. Swear to god in 10 years there will be 12 position stocks on rifles. |
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Posted: 9/14/2024 11:41:11 PM EST
[#26]
I have a Walther p22 with the trigger guard release. Hate it.
Button FTW. |
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Posted: 9/14/2024 11:44:11 PM EST
[#27]
I've used both and don't really mind either.
That being said I probably have 500x more time with a button, so that's what I'll stick with. You do you though. |
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Posted: 9/14/2024 11:51:08 PM EST
[#28]
The Walther/HK paddle release is superior in every way. I started IPSC back in the mid 90's shooting a USP 40.
Just pop that index finger back vs hitting the button with support thumb or shifting the hand. Americans are retarded for not adapting to the superior euro-gay paddle release. The early Walther PPQs were paddle style like the P99, but they weren't selling, so Walther went to a button release from then on. |
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Posted: 9/15/2024 12:06:17 AM EST
[#29]
I wish someone made a paddle release conversion for glocks.
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Posted: 9/15/2024 12:06:22 AM EST
[#30]
Preach!
I found the USP paddle the best mag release system. The levers are small and unobtrusive, yet fast and easy to use- trigger finger, in my case. The ambidexterity is the last additional nice bit. My Glocks have Vickers release setup for string dude trigger finger. I’m a fan! |
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Posted: 9/15/2024 12:11:53 AM EST
[#31]
Quote HistoryQuoted: It's significantly slower, and isn't Ambidextrous. You don't know what you're talking about. |
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Posted: 9/15/2024 12:12:04 AM EST
[#32]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I don't carry spare pistol mags. With my carry p365 I'm going to use my 12 rounds to create the opportunity to GTFO of whatever bad place I'm in. With the 92fs in my nightstand if 17 rounds isn't enough I'm going to use it to get to my closet and pick up my loaded 30rd AR. I just don't see pistol reloads as something I'm likely to do, so I don't prioritize making it faster. It's your funeral pal. |
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Posted: 9/15/2024 12:12:21 AM EST
[#33]
I like the paddle release on the Walther P99. Easy to use without breaking your grip. At least for me.
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Posted: 9/15/2024 12:44:45 AM EST
[#34]
Paddle release only if you release with your trigger finger, 13 years carrying one
 Happier with button |
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Posted: 9/15/2024 12:53:10 AM EST
[#35]
I changed out the mag release on 805. I like it.
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Posted: 9/15/2024 1:12:03 AM EST
[#36]
Paddle release is the best release.
Leftys and big hand shooter gotta agree. |
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Posted: 9/15/2024 1:16:40 AM EST
[#37]
I recently got a Garmin chronograph. Circumstances dictate I can't get to the range for a bit, so I bought a Walther PP? $20 airsoft kit off Amazon to test it. Took me a bit to figure out how to release the damn magazine.
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Posted: 9/15/2024 2:06:49 AM EST
[#38]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Everyone knows the HK paddle mag release is one of God's gifts too the world. Yet almost nobody even copies one. Ive heard Walther does....But ive never actually seen one in the wild. I don't have small hands but on most handguns I need to shift my grip to hit the mag release on most of these things. WTF gives? Does anyone actually shoot their guns? or Try to do a rapid mag change. I just don't understand.... I wan't to buy a pistol other than an HK but why even bother with such a disgusting mag release. Guess that makes me an HK "fanboi" ....such a low bar, they came out with the paddle mag release in what the 80's? And nobody else uses it? Gun companies are a joke. Quote HistoryQuoted: Everyone knows the HK paddle mag release is one of God's gifts too the world. Yet almost nobody even copies one. Ive heard Walther does....But ive never actually seen one in the wild. I don't have small hands but on most handguns I need to shift my grip to hit the mag release on most of these things. WTF gives? Does anyone actually shoot their guns? or Try to do a rapid mag change. I just don't understand.... I wan't to buy a pistol other than an HK but why even bother with such a disgusting mag release. Guess that makes me an HK "fanboi" ....such a low bar, they came out with the paddle mag release in what the 80's? And nobody else uses it? Gun companies are a joke. Quoted: It's significantly slower, and isn't Ambidextrous. FYI.....most modern hand guns do have ambi mag releases. And like anything.....if you actually practice doing mag changes, you'll get pretty fast. Which makes me wonder......how come 99.9% of competitive shooters aren't using HK ??? Glock, CZ, Staccato, SIG, 1911's, 2011's.....Hell, even Springfield and CANIK are more popular than any HK. OP......your rant is  . |
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Posted: 9/15/2024 2:38:52 AM EST
[#39]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I don't carry spare pistol mags. With my carry p365 I'm going to use my 12 rounds to create the opportunity to GTFO of whatever bad place I'm in. With the 92fs in my nightstand if 17 rounds isn't enough I'm going to use it to get to my closet and pick up my loaded 30rd AR. I just don't see pistol reloads as something I'm likely to do, so I don't prioritize making it faster. |
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Posted: 9/15/2024 5:36:48 AM EST
[#40]
Quoted: Everyone knows the HK paddle mag release is one of God's gifts too the world. Yet almost nobody even copies one. Ive heard Walther does....But ive never actually seen one in the wild. I don't have small hands but on most handguns I need to shift my grip to hit the mag release on most of these things. WTF gives? Does anyone actually shoot their guns? or Try to do a rapid mag change. I just don't understand.... I wan't to buy a pistol other than an HK but why even bother with such a disgusting mag release. Guess that makes me an HK "fanboi" ....such a low bar, they came out with the paddle mag release in what the 80's? And nobody else uses it? Gun companies are a joke. @JellyJugz post a video of your blisteringly fast reloads please. How about a 4 aces drill (draw, 2, reload, 2)? If you can hit all alphas at 7 yards in under 2.5 seconds we will concede that paddle mag releases are superior. Until then, this is silly boomerposting. Edit: https://youtu.be/oNPoMvz1q7c Here's Tim Herron shooting it in 1.99 seconds with a "slow" and "disgusting" button release. So it should be easy for you to break 2.5 seconds. |
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Posted: 9/15/2024 5:37:41 AM EST
[#41]
wow, this isn’t a HK you suck thread? lol
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Posted: 9/15/2024 6:26:39 AM EST
[#42]
Walther p99 Master race checking in
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Posted: 9/15/2024 6:38:00 AM EST
[#43]
Button releases are plenty ambidextrous, lefties just use their finger instead of their thumb. My left handed brother actually finds the idea of using your thumb to be weird, and also thinks it would be weird to use your strong hand on a bolt action rifle.
I have a Walther with the paddle. It's less quick and intuitive than a button. |
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Posted: 9/15/2024 6:48:44 AM EST
[#44]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Button releases are plenty ambidextrous, lefties just use their finger instead of their thumb. My left handed brother actually finds the idea of using your thumb to be weird, and also thinks it would be weird to use your strong hand on a bolt action rifle. I have a Walther with the paddle. It's less quick and intuitive than a button. Yep. I’m a lefty and leave ambi buttons on the left side of the frame. I depress the button with my left index finger and don’t need to break my grip. |
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Posted: 9/15/2024 7:21:48 AM EST
[#45]
I absolutely hated the paddle release on the HK USP I owned. What a horrible design.
Using a high hand hold, my middle finger got in the way of activating the mag release. I see why HK thought it was a good idea to put indentations on the base of the grip so you could tear the magazine out. The USP 45 is one of the few guns I don't regret trading off, years ago. I have never considered buying another one.  Attached File |
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Posted: 9/15/2024 7:21:58 AM EST
[#46]
I sometimes I feel like I'm the only person that really doesn't care one way over the other on paddle vs button.
I have found button guns I don't like due to button placement, and I've found there are some Glock extended buttons I don't like, but overall I shoot paddle and button guns equally and have yet to fumble a reload on either. I guess my brain is ambidextrous when it comes to mag release placement. Also, I'm happy heel releases have mostly fallen out of favor. |
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Posted: 9/15/2024 7:23:18 AM EST
[#47]
adapt or die
there i said it love my HK pistols |
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Posted: 9/15/2024 7:33:00 AM EST
[#48]
Forget about all that, how about how vulnerable a button release is to getting hit unintentionally?
I've found my mag ejected multiple times in the holster. Now I'm paranoid about it and periodically check it. That's a better argument for a paddle release than any concerns about user intentional manipulation. |
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Posted: 9/15/2024 8:14:46 AM EST
[#49]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Forget about all that, how about how vulnerable a button release is to getting hit unintentionally? I've found my mag ejected multiple times in the holster. Now I'm paranoid about it and periodically check it. That's a better argument for a paddle release than any concerns about user intentional manipulation. That’s a holster problem, not a mag release button problem. |
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Posted: 9/15/2024 8:19:12 AM EST
[#50]
I much prefer the paddle release and all my HKs and Walthers have them. Bummed Walther dropped it for buttons.
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