maybe you should tell the best pistol shooters in the world that their mag releases are inefficient.  I am sure they have never thought of this

I am with you OP.
I love the paddle mag releases. 99% of guns with button mag releases I have to shift my grip to push them, some are worse than others. Some take a little shift to hit, others take a lot of shift.

I just upgraded my EDC to a P30SK and love it. Paddle mag release for the win!

It must not be a problem to only me, as there are lots of oversized and extended mag release buttons to make it easier for normal people to operate.


Everyone is different, everyone's hands are different. It is impossible to design a gun that fits everyone perfectly.
Some people the grip will be too big, others, it will be too small. There is no way around it.

I feel like the paddle release is the best compromise of it.

Now give 'em a Beretta with a slide mounted safety.

DA/SAs should only have a decocker

When I bought my Walther, I had a choice between models, button or paddle release.  After messing around with both, I chose the button model.  Thirty years of shooting with button magazine releases will do that to you.

No matter what, you are going to be adjusting your grip during a magazine change.  Watch M or GM class shooters and they will readjust their grip before firing after a mag change.  They just do it very efficiently and very quickly.

I am militantly lefty.  I don't buy a full sized pistol if I can't reverse the magazine release to the right side.  I can work a left side mag release, but it involves more manipulation.  The key to speed is economy of motion.  The reason I haven't gotten into the 2011 craze is because the availability of ambidextrous magazines in the 1911 and 2011 platforms.

I liked the truly ambidextrous button magazine release on the Ruger P series when I had one in the 90s.  The gun was also a brick and I was inexperienced.  Time marches on.

Things change when you start entering the sub-compact and micro pistol range.  I am not worried about magazine change par times if I am carrying a G43.  In fact, odds are I am not carry a spare magazine if I am carrying a G43.  If I was worried about John Wick type gun fights, I wouldn't be carrying a sub compact.

I stopped carrying an M&P Shield because I could not reverse the magazine release as a lefty.  There were several times where I bumped the magazine release while carrying.  It is somewhat embarrassing to have your magazine fall to the ground while getting out of the car.  Having the magazine release on the week side of the gun means it is more protected in the holster.  It is as much about keeping the mag in the gun as taking it out of the gun.

Mess around with pocket and micro pistols and you soon see the advantage on heal magazine releases.  With tiny pistols grip space is at a premium.  You need to modify your grip to shoot them effectively.  The heal release is the logical place to put the magazine release.  No one is speed changing magazines with a micro pistol.  Most don't even come with a spare magazine.

My point?  Different shooting and carry styles have different requirements.  There is no one style that is better than another.

JMB stole that from the C93 after he found out about it, 10 years later.

1st.....Jellyjugz needs to learn how to quote users on here with having it all fucked up.

2nd......Your post about ambi switches is retarded. If a mag release  works for both left/right shooters by simply turning it around.....that's ambidextrous.
  And Springfield and a few others don't require the switch to be rotated at all, which makes your point kinda pointless.

3rd......HK's are NOT being used by 99.9% of competitive shooters. I'll go out on a limb and it's BECAUSE of the mag release being an operational liability in that environment.




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1.Valid Point



2. I stand by my point, its readily converted, not ambi, you aren't switching hands and operating it identically.



3. Don't care what someone uses as race guns, with massive mag release buttons and funneled magwells. this is about superior engineering, and manufacturing not making them. Perhaps this is mostly a training issue? I started competitive shooting with USP so I am probably bias, as most people who started with a button are probably just as bias. The main point is that I have found I do not have to reposition my grip to drop the mag on my USP, I do with most other handguns I've tried, with the USP I simply swipe my thumb down.

This is the way.

I used to have a Walter P99 with the paddle release and it was nice. I'm a big fan of the H&K releases, but I'm fine with the standard release too.

My little Pico has one and it actually makes a ton of sense on a teeny tiny slim micro carry gun.

You don't know how to push a button?

The USP mag release sucks ass. The bigger one like on the HK45C is awesome though.

I wish they'd come out with an updated VP9-B with the optics cut..

Tens of thousands of people that have zero problem doing rapid mag changes with button mag release. The mag release isn't your problem OP

Correct. Reversible =/= ambidextrous.

LOL.  

Remember the .7 reload I was talking about?

That was a CO gun.  No magwell allowed, and he's got a button release that might be slightly oversize.

Jay Beal is currently one of the best shooters in the world.  Top 5 IMO.

.76 reload.

Here's his gun with it's "massive mag release button and funneled magwell."

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I've known lots and lots of shooters. Competitors and instructors. I've never met one in real life that advocates for the paddle.

Same. And no, I'm not fat whatsoever

My ARs got the forward controls design extra power mag release springs. Fantastic. They're like $10 for 6 of them.

Then your holster is shit.

I’ve literally never had a holster depress the mag release button and pop a mag out.

Funny thing happened at my local gun store last week.
I was there looking at the used guns and a customer walks up to one of the salesman and he said we have a problem.
He has a holster and a gun in his hand. He said remember that holster I bought from you yesterday? Salesman said yes.
The guy takes the gun, slides it in the holster and the mag pops out.
The holster was "made for" that gun, but it depresses the mag release button when you slide the gun in it.
The salesman agreed to do a return on the holster.

I agree with you.
Being able to swap it around is not ambi. It is convertible.
Ambi means it can be operated equally by either hand without having to do anything.
If you have to swap or flip parts, you are simply changing it from right handed to left handed.

What kind of holster was this?

Buttons are superior to paddles.

On my USP I use my thumb to activate the mag release similar to a button.

Not weird at all. That is exactly how I have always done it.
No one ever told me or showed me to do it that way, it is just how I naturally figured out how to do it and was the quickest and easiest way to do it, for me anyways.

For whatever reason it's very intuitive (no one ever showed me either). Though I have no habit formed muscle memory from using other pistols that have push button mag releases.

Gen 6 Glock

Not really sure, I did not look closely as I was simply sanding there looking at the used guns and just happened to look over as the guy put the gun in it.
The gun was a 1911. I do remember it was some type of those super stiff kydex holsters that make it feel like you are trying to conceal a dinner plate.

You're doing it wrong.