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Posted: 8/18/2015 7:35:11 PM EST
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I like classical, along with a bunch of other types of music. It annoys my kids sometimes because I'll change the radio to find something I like. If there's no decent rock playing, I'll try the classical stations. I have no problem going from Metallica to Bach to AC/DC. Drives 'em crazy.
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Posted: 8/18/2015 8:03:53 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Thank you for that.  Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Life can be a real bitch. Sometimes it's nice to at least not be aurally assaulted as well. New this week from Einaudi:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k9NM-yK1C2IYou're welcome, my pleasure. The new album is set to drop mid-October.The piece LuckyDucky posted on page 3 is another good one from him. |
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Posted: 8/18/2015 8:10:04 PM EST
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I'm a huge classical music fan, and have been for years. Something I just don't get is the abandonment of the art form by the vast majority of contemporary music listeners. Is it the image of the old aloof fuddy-duddy that they are trying to avoid? Is it the actual music they dislike? Is it the instrumentation? And besides the cause for their dislike, what does it say about the state of western culture as a whole? Is it a rejection of western traditions and art forms as some sort of rebellion? Just something I though would toss out to discuss..... I like it. My car radio right now is tuned to the local classical music station. I even grew up liking it, probably one of the very few teens in the 70's that did. |
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Posted: 8/18/2015 8:12:17 PM EST
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Just renewed my season tickets to our local
symphony. Small community (Dismal Seepage) excellent orchestra. |
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Posted: 8/18/2015 8:18:40 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Life can be a real bitch. Sometimes it's nice to at least not be aurally assaulted as well. New this week from Einaudi: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k9NM-yK1C2I |
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Posted: 8/18/2015 8:21:55 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: That's actually a fascinating field of social psychology. The better question is, "Why is popular music popular?" Yes, there's an unrivaled marketing element to it, BUT it also has to do with musical simplicity and familiarity. People crave what is familiar to them, we know that, but it's more than that. Listening to music forces your brain to solve a puzzle. What we consider "good" songs have more than one "puzzle" in them. Rhythm, timbre, mixing and dynamics, chord progression, lyrics and the poetic elements, harmonizing, etc, etc. And the complexity of each puzzle can vary from simple to difficult. The human brain likes to be challenged, but it hates to be defeated. It wants puzzles that use what it already knows, gives it one or two different things, has some novel elements to it, and can be solved within the attention span of the individual. If your musical vocabulary is well developed, you'll think most pop music is simplistic and trite. But to people who don't listen to music - including those who hear it, but don't listen to it - pop music is novel and interesting. This was a popular video a few years back, but it's worth a rewatch. Don't think so much about how similar the songs are (and they all are very similar) - but think how they're different. Imagine a person listening to each of them, and the audience cares only about the differences. That's why pop music is popular. http://youtu.be/oOlDewpCfZQI'll I've got is a red guitar, three chords (well, technically 4) and the TRUTH. |
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Posted: 8/18/2015 8:22:07 PM EST
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It requires an adult attention span. And taste. |
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Posted: 8/18/2015 8:26:26 PM EST
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I like classical. I also like classic rock and a little metal as well as country. To answer your question, there are multiple factors: The availability of different musical forms which did not exist in the classical era. Classical is a little "high brow" and is just out of the intellectual reach of the low information voter crowd. Much like British humor, you have to "get" classical music. Cultural social engineering, the low information crowd is continually reinforced, propped up, and given preference (the dumbing down of America) and as mentioned they do not like classical so there is little exposure to the masses, it's difficult to like music one never hears. The above factors have lead to a very limited number of modern artists and composers and performances are usually limited to the same 200ish year old pieces that have been played to death. This is now a music thread! Unfortunately hitting the link button results in my browser crashing, but if I could post links my links would point to performances of: O Fortuna by Carl Orf Mars Bringer Of War Lacrimosa Beethoven's fifth symphony Tchaikovsky's 1812 Overture Requiem Of A Tower Dies Irae by Adiemus Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I'm a huge classical music fan, and have been for years. Something I just don't get is the abandonment of the art form by the vast majority of contemporary music listeners. Is it the image of the old aloof fuddy-duddy that they are trying to avoid? Is it the actual music they dislike? Is it the instrumentation? And besides the cause for their dislike, what does it say about the state of western culture as a whole? Is it a rejection of western traditions and art forms as some sort of rebellion? Just something I though would toss out to discuss..... I like classical. I also like classic rock and a little metal as well as country. To answer your question, there are multiple factors: The availability of different musical forms which did not exist in the classical era. Classical is a little "high brow" and is just out of the intellectual reach of the low information voter crowd. Much like British humor, you have to "get" classical music. Cultural social engineering, the low information crowd is continually reinforced, propped up, and given preference (the dumbing down of America) and as mentioned they do not like classical so there is little exposure to the masses, it's difficult to like music one never hears. The above factors have lead to a very limited number of modern artists and composers and performances are usually limited to the same 200ish year old pieces that have been played to death. This is now a music thread! Unfortunately hitting the link button results in my browser crashing, but if I could post links my links would point to performances of: O Fortuna by Carl Orf Mars Bringer Of War Lacrimosa Beethoven's fifth symphony Tchaikovsky's 1812 Overture Requiem Of A Tower Dies Irae by Adiemus add to that Franz Lizt Hungarian rhapsody and one of my favorites from Berlioz Symphonie Fantastique's 5th movement Dream of a Witches' Sabbath (guess what famous movie uses this in it's theme) 
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Posted: 8/18/2015 8:34:50 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: With a large brush, it comes down to syncopated rhythm. A large portion of classical music is not syncopated, or uses poly-rhythms. The more well known composers tended to incorporate syncopated sections in their music. Ragtime was when music for the masses incorporated syncopation as well as poly-rhythms(borrowed from African music traditions), on a structural level and not as a something that was for effect. It was a huge change in the way music was composed and received; it is hard to imagine music before and articulate how profound a change that syncopation and poly-rhythms were. I guess you could try to equate it to Before Internet and After Internet. Those growing up before can measure the change on society, those born after cant imagine life without the internet. Modern pop music is an amalgamation of several different musical traditions and a rather interesting subject to me. Recently, I've been looking at the roots and history of electronic music, another area in music that has gone through rapid changes; with roots stretching back close to 80 something years. If you are interested in electronic stuff and have Netflix, check out I Dream of Wires. It's a pretty good documentary on the history of the synthesizer and how we got from there to here (and where we might be going). It's a very good study of the different possible directions electronica could have gone back in the 60's, and they talk about how Turned on Bach made synth mainstream and the commercial side "won", and then synth died, and then it came back, and then it came back again. And not to go off on a totally weird tangent, but it's also worth digging up Pat Metheney's talks and articles about what he is doing with acoustic stuff, his orchestron. I'm too drunk to pull up google links. He talks a lot about the history of how music was shared and the history of recorded music, and how really as humans we want to live in this acoustic world and instead of loudspeakers he's trying to steer us into the future (which is really the past). We have the power to meld the electronic world into the acoustic world and do all this really cool stuff, we just need to do it. |
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Posted: 8/18/2015 8:36:52 PM EST
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It requires a nice stereo to truly appreciate, and a lot of people are baroque in this economy. 
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Posted: 8/18/2015 8:38:30 PM EST
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Think about it for a minute. It's not just classical. Any complicated music that really required one to pay attention isn't popular. Complicated progressive metal and rock isn't popular either. What is? Well...Pop...and what's pop? Catchy beats and rythyms and that's all that matters- there's nothing wrong with that stuff really, I mean who doesn't just like a catchy brainless melody sometimes? It is sad that so many people can't appreciate good classical music though. I don't listen to it a lot, but I do love Chopin's Nocturnes and things like that. Even better, is metal that has clear classical influences. Great stuff. Valid observation. |
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Posted: 8/18/2015 8:39:21 PM EST
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If you are interested in electronic stuff and have Netflix, check out I Dream of Wires. It's a pretty good documentary on the history of the synthesizer and how we got from there to here (and where we might be going). It's a very good study of the different possible directions electronica could have gone back in the 60's, and they talk about how Turned on Bach made synth mainstream and the commercial side "won", and then synth died, and then it came back, and then it came back again. And not to go off on a totally weird tangent, but it's also worth digging up Pat Metheney's talks and articles about what he is doing with acoustic stuff, his orchestron. I'm too drunk to pull up google links. He talks a lot about the history of how music was shared and the history of recorded music, and how really as humans we want to live in this acoustic world and instead of loudspeakers he's trying to steer us into the future (which is really the past). We have the power to meld the electronic world into the acoustic world and do all this really cool stuff, we just need to do it. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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With a large brush, it comes down to syncopated rhythm. A large portion of classical music is not syncopated, or uses poly-rhythms. The more well known composers tended to incorporate syncopated sections in their music. Ragtime was when music for the masses incorporated syncopation as well as poly-rhythms(borrowed from African music traditions), on a structural level and not as a something that was for effect. It was a huge change in the way music was composed and received; it is hard to imagine music before and articulate how profound a change that syncopation and poly-rhythms were. I guess you could try to equate it to Before Internet and After Internet. Those growing up before can measure the change on society, those born after cant imagine life without the internet. Modern pop music is an amalgamation of several different musical traditions and a rather interesting subject to me. Recently, I've been looking at the roots and history of electronic music, another area in music that has gone through rapid changes; with roots stretching back close to 80 something years. If you are interested in electronic stuff and have Netflix, check out I Dream of Wires. It's a pretty good documentary on the history of the synthesizer and how we got from there to here (and where we might be going). It's a very good study of the different possible directions electronica could have gone back in the 60's, and they talk about how Turned on Bach made synth mainstream and the commercial side "won", and then synth died, and then it came back, and then it came back again. And not to go off on a totally weird tangent, but it's also worth digging up Pat Metheney's talks and articles about what he is doing with acoustic stuff, his orchestron. I'm too drunk to pull up google links. He talks a lot about the history of how music was shared and the history of recorded music, and how really as humans we want to live in this acoustic world and instead of loudspeakers he's trying to steer us into the future (which is really the past). We have the power to meld the electronic world into the acoustic world and do all this really cool stuff, we just need to do it. You've sold me. It's added to the playlist. |
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Posted: 8/18/2015 8:45:17 PM EST
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That may be... but WHY does it suck... to say it simply sucks does not answer the question. What don't YOU like about it? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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It sucks. That may be... but WHY does it suck... to say it simply sucks does not answer the question. What don't YOU like about it? As someone who has fairly specific interests in classical music: It can be quite uninteresting. Very repetitive at times with little dynamic range that just doesn't go anywhere or capture the imagination at all. Hmm, a lot like pop music today! But again, that's why I don't really like much of it.
However, all seriousness aside...
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Posted: 8/18/2015 8:53:04 PM EST
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With a large brush, it comes down to syncopated rhythm. A large portion of classical music is not syncopated, or uses poly-rhythms. The more well known composers tended to incorporate syncopated sections in their music. Ragtime was when music for the masses incorporated syncopation as well as poly-rhythms(borrowed from African music traditions), on a structural level and not as a something that was for effect. It was a huge change in the way music was composed and received; it is hard to imagine music before and articulate how profound a change that syncopation and poly-rhythms were. I guess you could try to equate it to Before Internet and After Internet. Those growing up before can measure the change on society, those born after cant imagine life without the internet. Modern pop music is an amalgamation of several different musical traditions and a rather interesting subject to me. Recently, I've been looking at the roots and history of electronic music, another area in music that has gone through rapid changes; with roots stretching back close to 80 something years. This is the big one. I've been reading through this thread and looking for a post along these lines. (I'm posting before I read the whole thread, LarryG style. )
During the Baroque and Classical periods in Western music, there were some big advances in building scales and harmonies, but the rhythms used were linear and stale. |
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Posted: 8/18/2015 9:01:29 PM EST
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I have to admit that I wasn't a fan until I decided to fulfill an Arts requirement with Appreciation of Music, and was "forced" to listen to it. Now I enjoy it a lot (my favorite composers are Bach and Rachmaninoff, but I like at least a piece or two from most of the better-known composers).
As an attempt to answer your question, I think a lot of it has to do with peer pressure in one's teens... it just isn't cool. And IMO most people don't make the effort to expand their musical tastes by sitting down and really listening to something different. |
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Posted: 8/18/2015 9:02:15 PM EST
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It requires a nice stereo to truly appreciate, and a lot of people are baroque in this economy. 
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Posted: 8/18/2015 9:03:40 PM EST
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Posted: 8/18/2015 9:04:37 PM EST
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I'm a huge classical music fan, and have been for years. Something I just don't get is the abandonment of the art form by the vast majority of contemporary music listeners. Is it the image of the old aloof fuddy-duddy that they are trying to avoid? Is it the actual music they dislike? Is it the instrumentation? And besides the cause for their dislike, what does it say about the state of western culture as a whole? Is it a rejection of western traditions and art forms as some sort of rebellion? Just something I though would toss out to discuss..... It doesn't send the signal that they're looking for to others. Conversely, ask yourself why some people drive around blasting music about bitches, hos, and selling drugs. |
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Posted: 8/18/2015 9:05:27 PM EST
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the masses the horde, the rabble, the mob, the bulk, those in the center and below of the bell curve... are not exactly connoisseurs or pursuers of anything. They consume whats immediately put in their face eta- as far as it sucks or not.. it might mostly suck, most art sucks. Its not just the good stuff that is art, its all the horrible, half ass shit too. Plebeians, Philistines, and Profligates! |
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Posted: 8/18/2015 9:10:22 PM EST
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I like it enough I decided to lean to play the Viola at age 38. Never got a chance as kid and I always wanted to. There is nothing quite as relaxing to me as the sound of quartet strings.
There is little music I can't find examples of that I like. Jazz and Blues are about the only ones I just never could come to like. |
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Posted: 8/18/2015 9:10:47 PM EST
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Classical music, like rock and roll, is a dead art form.
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Posted: 8/18/2015 9:14:32 PM EST
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You're welcome, my pleasure. The new album is set to drop mid-October.
The piece LuckyDucky posted on page 3 is another good one from him. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Life can be a real bitch. Sometimes it's nice to at least not be aurally assaulted as well. New this week from Einaudi: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k9NM-yK1C2IYou're welcome, my pleasure. The new album is set to drop mid-October.
The piece LuckyDucky posted on page 3 is another good one from him. I thought I'd be the first to post something from him!
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Posted: 8/18/2015 9:17:40 PM EST
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Gustav Holst is awesome. Everyone here has no doubt heard parts of Mars (incorporated into movies) before.
Gustav Holst: The Planets - Mars |
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Posted: 8/18/2015 9:18:30 PM EST
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If I had to choose one musician to listen to the rest of forever, it would probably be Chopin- his music speaks to me like no other. I'm surprised no one has pointed it out yet- but they listen to classical music all the time. They just don't realize it. Observe, and if you are a music nut, be prepared to suddenly hear Pachebel everywhere you go: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JdxkVQy7QLMDammit.  Yeah, no shit. LOL! And I like that song.... but I don't play Cello! |
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Posted: 8/18/2015 9:18:37 PM EST
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I'm a huge classical music fan, and have been for years. Something I just don't get is the abandonment of the art form by the vast majority of contemporary music listeners. Is it the image of the old aloof fuddy-duddy that they are trying to avoid? Is it the actual music they dislike? Is it the instrumentation? And besides the cause for their dislike, what does it say about the state of western culture as a whole? Is it a rejection of western traditions and art forms as some sort of rebellion? Just something I though would toss out to discuss..... Because everyone wants 3-minute songs that are the same from beginning to end. They don't want an adventure. I love classical music, especially the mid- to late-romantic and impressionistic. I like the classical period too. |
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Posted: 8/18/2015 9:18:54 PM EST
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I have to admit that I wasn't a fan until I decided to fulfill an Arts requirement with Appreciation of Music, and was "forced" to listen to it. Now I enjoy it a lot (my favorite composers are Bach and Rachmaninoff, but I like at least a piece or two from most of the better-known composers). As an attempt to answer your question, I think a lot of it has to do with peer pressure in one's teens... it just isn't cool. And IMO most people don't make the effort to expand their musical tastes by sitting down and really listening to something different. Even though I joked about it earlier, I think it's easier to appreciate (but not required - just easier) if: 1. You get to hear a REALLY nice orchestra perform it in person, with venue acoustics to match. Or... 2. ...your stereo at home gets really close to reproducing this experience, sonically. If you're listening to it on AM, over one shitty mono speaker (and enjoying it), your brain is filling in the blanks. It's only doing this, because you've heard it the way it was meant to be heard, which almost assuredly means live in the appropriate venue, or that one time at your Dentist buddies house in his $50k listening room. It's a style of music that really shines best, when played live. And that means actually going out, paying money, waiting in line, and sitting still in a theater seat for an hour and a half or so. Honestly, not a lot of people still do this in 2015, and I'm not going to be the one to talk shit about them for it, either. It is what it is. But to your point, I do believe that when properly introduced, a great many "deniers" (as it were) would come around. |
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Posted: 8/18/2015 9:19:27 PM EST
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I like it enough I decided to lean to play the Viola at age 38. Never got a chance as kid and I always wanted to. There is nothing quite as relaxing to me as the sound of quartet strings. There is little music I can't find examples of that I like. Jazz and Blues are about the only ones I just never could come to like. 
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Posted: 8/18/2015 9:21:31 PM EST
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Anything but Rap.
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Posted: 8/18/2015 9:22:06 PM EST
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I like it enough I decided to lean to play the Viola at age 38. Never got a chance as kid and I always wanted to. There is nothing quite as relaxing to me as the sound of quartet strings. There is little music I can't find examples of that I like. Jazz and Blues are about the only ones I just never could come to like. 
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Posted: 8/18/2015 9:23:27 PM EST
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If you grew up with it......that helps the appreciation as well as having had some classical music appreciation courses growing up.
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Posted: 8/18/2015 9:23:38 PM EST
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I like it enough I decided to lean to play the Viola at age 38. Never got a chance as kid and I always wanted to. There is nothing quite as relaxing to me as the sound of quartet strings. There is little music I can't find examples of that I like. Jazz and Blues are about the only ones I just never could come to like.
I know, I've been excoriated many times. To me it's just noise. I just can't appreciate what others hear in it. I have friends that can't understand why I can listen to boring classical. Brains be different yo. |
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Posted: 8/18/2015 9:24:01 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Even though I joked about it earlier, I think it's easier to appreciate (but not required - just easier) if: 1. You get to hear a REALLY nice orchestra perform it in person, with venue acoustics to match. Or... 2. ...your stereo at home gets really close to reproducing this experience, sonically. If you're listening to it on AM, over one shitty mono speaker (and enjoying it), your brain is filling in the blanks. It's only doing this, because you've heard it the way it was meant to be heard, which almost assuredly means live in the appropriate venue, or that one time at your Dentist buddies house in his $50k listening room. It's a style of music that really shines best, when played live. And that means actually going out, paying money, waiting in line, and sitting still in a theater seat for an hour and a half or so. Honestly, not a lot of people still do this in 2015, and I'm not going to be the one to talk shit about them for it, either. It is what it is. But to your point, I do believe that when properly introduced, a great many "deniers" (as it were) would come around. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I have to admit that I wasn't a fan until I decided to fulfill an Arts requirement with Appreciation of Music, and was "forced" to listen to it. Now I enjoy it a lot (my favorite composers are Bach and Rachmaninoff, but I like at least a piece or two from most of the better-known composers). As an attempt to answer your question, I think a lot of it has to do with peer pressure in one's teens... it just isn't cool. And IMO most people don't make the effort to expand their musical tastes by sitting down and really listening to something different. Even though I joked about it earlier, I think it's easier to appreciate (but not required - just easier) if: 1. You get to hear a REALLY nice orchestra perform it in person, with venue acoustics to match. Or... 2. ...your stereo at home gets really close to reproducing this experience, sonically. If you're listening to it on AM, over one shitty mono speaker (and enjoying it), your brain is filling in the blanks. It's only doing this, because you've heard it the way it was meant to be heard, which almost assuredly means live in the appropriate venue, or that one time at your Dentist buddies house in his $50k listening room. It's a style of music that really shines best, when played live. And that means actually going out, paying money, waiting in line, and sitting still in a theater seat for an hour and a half or so. Honestly, not a lot of people still do this in 2015, and I'm not going to be the one to talk shit about them for it, either. It is what it is. But to your point, I do believe that when properly introduced, a great many "deniers" (as it were) would come around. Really that is kind of what I'm talking about with the Metheney stuff I was trying to say earlier. I guess If I sober up I'll find the damn thing. |
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Posted: 8/18/2015 9:26:07 PM EST
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Dubstep is the new classical.
Also, many people DO still listen to classical, even some of the more tardlike among us  |
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Posted: 8/18/2015 9:28:39 PM EST
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Somebody is enjoying Stavinsky conducted by Bernstein http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y86/mossie500/67F64892-B87A-40EE-802C-41C5757B29C3.jpg Is that the one where he's teaching the young orchestra the art of Stravinski? |
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Posted: 8/18/2015 9:32:33 PM EST
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Posted: 8/18/2015 9:32:53 PM EST
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I'm more Classic and Baroque, not so much romantic era. Bach and Vivaldi, Hayden and Beethoven, Mozart really nails it. Then as many, hard rock as well.
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Posted: 8/18/2015 9:35:33 PM EST
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For anyone who thinks classical music is boring and sucks - listen to this, and then realize that this is simply one of thousands upon thousands of pieces that are at least as beautiful, powerful, deep, emotional and the summation of everything human.
https://youtu.be/F1_EDzHRY7M?t=639 And then, for something completely different but from the same piece, listen to this: https://youtu.be/F1_EDzHRY7M?t=1694 And get an idea of what classical music is. |
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Posted: 8/18/2015 9:38:38 PM EST
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Most people under 30 probably had very little if any exposure to it as children. Orchestral music is in movie scores and even cartoons. People hear it in more places than they realize. |
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Posted: 8/18/2015 9:42:59 PM EST
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Intelligent folks get it.
Don't always like it - but they get it. I enjoy some from time to time it's wonderful stuff for the proper environment. |
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Posted: 8/18/2015 9:45:39 PM EST
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I'm all over the map when it comes to classical music.
I just can't stand the whole philharmonic orchestra sound. 
One unaccompanied cello doing Bach's cello suite no. 1 in g major sounds awesome to me though. Even an ensemble of violins and cellos are great. I just don't like strings, brass, woodwinds, and percussion playing all together. 
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Posted: 8/18/2015 9:45:59 PM EST
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Watch this one or just let this one play while you do other things:
I like this one too:
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Posted: 8/18/2015 9:52:00 PM EST
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Even though I joked about it earlier, I think it's easier to appreciate (but not required - just easier) if: 1. You get to hear a REALLY nice orchestra perform it in person, with venue acoustics to match. Or... 2. ...your stereo at home gets really close to reproducing this experience, sonically. If you're listening to it on AM, over one shitty mono speaker (and enjoying it), your brain is filling in the blanks. It's only doing this, because you've heard it the way it was meant to be heard, which almost assuredly means live in the appropriate venue, or that one time at your Dentist buddies house in his $50k listening room. It's a style of music that really shines best, when played live. And that means actually going out, paying money, waiting in line, and sitting still in a theater seat for an hour and a half or so. Honestly, not a lot of people still do this in 2015, and I'm not going to be the one to talk shit about them for it, either. It is what it is. But to your point, I do believe that when properly introduced, a great many "deniers" (as it were) would come around. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I have to admit that I wasn't a fan until I decided to fulfill an Arts requirement with Appreciation of Music, and was "forced" to listen to it. Now I enjoy it a lot (my favorite composers are Bach and Rachmaninoff, but I like at least a piece or two from most of the better-known composers). As an attempt to answer your question, I think a lot of it has to do with peer pressure in one's teens... it just isn't cool. And IMO most people don't make the effort to expand their musical tastes by sitting down and really listening to something different. Even though I joked about it earlier, I think it's easier to appreciate (but not required - just easier) if: 1. You get to hear a REALLY nice orchestra perform it in person, with venue acoustics to match. Or... 2. ...your stereo at home gets really close to reproducing this experience, sonically. If you're listening to it on AM, over one shitty mono speaker (and enjoying it), your brain is filling in the blanks. It's only doing this, because you've heard it the way it was meant to be heard, which almost assuredly means live in the appropriate venue, or that one time at your Dentist buddies house in his $50k listening room. It's a style of music that really shines best, when played live. And that means actually going out, paying money, waiting in line, and sitting still in a theater seat for an hour and a half or so. Honestly, not a lot of people still do this in 2015, and I'm not going to be the one to talk shit about them for it, either. It is what it is. But to your point, I do believe that when properly introduced, a great many "deniers" (as it were) would come around. Or, it could be that after 400 years it has been played out. It's not like anyone is on edge waiting because Bach is dropping a new album soon. |
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Posted: 8/18/2015 10:02:38 PM EST
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I'm fond of the really old stuff. I LOVE the
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Posted: 8/18/2015 10:03:51 PM EST
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Posted: 8/18/2015 10:13:28 PM EST
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Unless you are a musician, it can be incredibly difficult to follow. Most music is incredibly formulaic, and intended to simply make people nod to the beat. Intro, verse, chorus, verse, outro. 4/4 timing, and repeating melodies make it easy to anticipate what comes next. Or, there are "hooky" lyrics to relate to. Most classical music has musical ideas that take many bars to even begin to repeat, key changes, time changes, accidentals, and complicated melodies. Unless you grew up listening to it, or playing it, it like trying to watch a movie in another language. I like it, and I play classical piano and guitar, but I can see how it is simply not what people are looking for when they sit down to hear something. It is similar, in a way, to how compressed music made such a big impact. No one cared about hearing space, placement, or full-range material. They weren't' active listeners, so the were content with compressed noise (both in terms of files size, and dynamics), just so long as they could cram a bunch of it on their media player.
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Posted: 8/18/2015 11:15:24 PM EST
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I like classical. I'll crank up some Motley Crue while cruising around with the t-tops off, but I loved cranking up Vilvadi's 'winter' while driving along the autobahn at 120. First 3:40 is like the 'heavy metal' of classical I guess.
Also got a kick out of playing multiplayer on Goldeneye while listening to this. I need to try it Halo next time we have a multiplayer battle. Classical, metal, folk, oriental, reggae, jazz, various types of rock, all work for me. Little bit of country and rap too. |
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Posted: 8/18/2015 11:18:53 PM EST
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Posted: 8/18/2015 11:21:06 PM EST
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I like it enough I decided to lean to play the Viola at age 38. Never got a chance as kid and I always wanted to. There is nothing quite as relaxing to me as the sound of quartet strings. There is little music I can't find examples of that I like. Jazz and Blues are about the only ones I just never could come to like.
I know, I've been excoriated many times. To me it's just noise. I just can't appreciate what others hear in it. I have friends that can't understand why I can listen to boring classical. Brains be different yo.
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Posted: 8/18/2015 11:57:45 PM EST
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With a large brush, it comes down to syncopated rhythm. A large portion of classical music is not syncopated, or uses poly-rhythms. The more well known composers tended to incorporate syncopated sections in their music. Ragtime was when music for the masses incorporated syncopation as well as poly-rhythms(borrowed from African music traditions), on a structural level and not as a something that was for effect. It was a huge change in the way music was composed and received; it is hard to imagine music before and articulate how profound a change that syncopation and poly-rhythms were. I guess you could try to equate it to Before Internet and After Internet. Those growing up before can measure the change on society, those born after cant imagine life without the internet. Modern pop music is an amalgamation of several different musical traditions and a rather interesting subject to me. Recently, I've been looking at the roots and history of electronic music, another area in music that has gone through rapid changes; with roots stretching back close to 80 something years. Interesting review. http://jolomo.net/music/william_mann.html |
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Posted: 8/19/2015 12:08:29 AM EST
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It requires a nice stereo to truly appreciate, and a lot of people are baroque in this economy. You seem to have a Handel on things. Nothing to strauss over. I haven't been too Bizet today. Have you actually gotten to the bottom of your To-Do Liszt? edit: Aww, beat. Thats what I get for leaving the reply window open while I answer the phone. It's ok, you're Bach in the conversation now. |
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