last friday at work
female cat lady co worker:
"I'm doing my part and got my vaccination,have you!!"

me:
no and I wont,its a drug trial and I don't participate in medical experiments



there seems to be a virtue signal thing with a lot of people

Where is this data coming from?  Because,
Yes it does.  Go look at the CDC Pfizer trial data (I did ).  It absolutely lowered incidence of COVID infection; according to their data.  By well over 90%.  

As to the other comments - man, people get passionate.  Amusingly, they get passionate about others telling them what to do.  So respond, by judging and telling other people what to do.   You be you.  Me, I live in a society and a life where other people have to be interacted with.  And the current national anxiety is fear of infection from COVID.  So, communicating that you aren't a route for them to be infected; is kinda handy.  I guess some folks want to pound their chest and say "Fuck everyone", and then attack people; but that's less my way.

Not exactly. The vaccine does make a person less likely to become infected enough to have a positive PCR test.

That means the body is not replicating virus and shedding virus in huge numbers.

This makes it less likely for the vaccinated person to spread the virus.

They have to increase their social justice score by virtue signaling at every possible opportunity.

Nice strawman.

In 2018, hospitals were overwhelmed due to seasonal influenza. You can look this up - ambulances were diverted, patients were treated in hallways, field tents were set up, all of that. See here for a brief recap:

https://twitter.com/justin_hart/status/1281080665685934081

Laboratory-confirmed influenza deaths for the entire 2017-2018 season were only around 15,000. The CDC estimated (based on unknown methodology) that between 60,000 and 80,000 people died from influenza that season. Even if we assume the higher end of that (80,000) and that, say, a third was in the month of January alone, that would be about 26,667 deaths from influenza in the month of January. That works out to about 860 deaths a day from influenza. This was enough to overwhelm hospitals as you see above.

Reported numbers for COVID for January 2021 have a daily average of around 3200. Yet no hospitals were overwhelmed, and hospital utilization remained below historical levels. How is that possible?

When I say this is fraudulent I'm applying rational thought and critical analysis to what is reported and determining that it does not add up. If some value x is significant enough to cause significant hospital strain, then 4x should cause significantly more. It didn't, which means that the input data is invalid.

People who put forth numbers like that - and further use it as justification to implement and extend powers outside of the legislative process - are indeed "hoaxing" the people. I don't need to know the exact details or the exact mechanisms to know it's false.

They are just telling you how bad they are at math, reasoning, reading comprehension, etc. My wife sends me a new article every day about some new country or state pulling vaccines due to safety issues.

Because they've been socially conditioned to believe they're morally superior to you for doing it.

They are like crossfiters. Can't shut the fuck up about it.
They need validation from others that the choices they made were good.  It's a sign of mental weakness.

Usually they are seeking your approval.
They got it because they were scared and now they are scared that they made a bad decision.  They want you to tell them that they made the right choice.  

That or virtue signaling.

Elective procedures were canceled /postponed and temporary covid icu wards were added where needed.

LOL

Rest in peace...

I don't know why anyone under 50, in good health, would get this vaccine.
Honestly, under 70 and in good health, I don't see the need for it.

I don't care if it sounds tinfoilish... when something this unnecessary is pushed on people this hard, that's red flag.

It’s them projecting their elitism. I see it all the time on dating apps. Girls mention it right away. All it tells me is that they are afraid of the boggy man, and life with them would be hell.

The problem is the people who can't get vaccinated. People beyond a certain age should get vaccinated to be resistant to CVD-19 because if you get infected, you may not experience any symptoms, but you can pass it to others who are unable to be vaccinated, ie very young children and certain people who are allergic to the vaccine.

So?

So this trivial measure (presumably nationwide, so I'm assuming you can provide sources) allowed for the entirety of the country's hospital system to absorb four or five times as much as had previously caused them to nearly collapse without even flinching.

Does that sound logical to you?

That's like saying your bills went up by a factor of five but cancelling cable let you ride it out like nothing.

Not for nothing, but this simple answer should have been given to nearly EVERY question or suggestion from the beginning.

My doctoral advisor caught me off guard the first time he did this. I had a breakthrough in my research, went to him, and he looked at it for a minute and then said "yeah, but so what?"

The whole point is you have to be able to explain the value in what you're doing or saying.

Of course it is logical and easily confirmed but it counters your reality so you don't bother to even look.

Virtue signalling. It's the same thing as white guilt. It makes people feel better, but it does nothing (probably less).

hey OP i got vaccinated , i'm still alive

OP I did my part , I got my shot .
I figured you would want to know .

Of course I looked. I found very little that suggests anything near what you are talking about.

For example, I can go here:

https://covid19.ca.gov/state-dashboard/

...and find that during the recent peak (mid to late January), California, by far the worst at the time, never dipped below 1,000 available ICU beds. What I cannot find is any mention of extensive field hospitals, ambulance diversion, or triage.

Why is that?

tou-che

I get mine next Tuesday. I'll make a thread and tag you.

People don't want to see any reality that conflicts with their version of reality.

That's a completely false dichotomy

I'm looking at the situation as it stands.  There are a large number of human infectious strains already from just one year ago.  The vaccines, so far as I have read are variably effective against the strains so yes, the vax is broader than influenza but there is still a curve to it.  However, I didn't say it IS the flu, I said its similar.  It's an airborn virus that infects the respiratory system and presents very similar to flu.  It's not going to be 'eradicated' by these vaccines.  Will each new flare-up be treated with the hysteria of this one?  Almost certainly not.  But this bug is now around to stay and now and again it will resurface.



All this argument over a simple position.  That elderly and vulnerable people probably ought to seek vaccination and those under 30 really don't need to worry that much as there never much risk to them to begin with.

It's interesting that you bring up Texas primarily because that panic porn was never revisited. But that's also not a claim that I made - I did not say that localized seasonal outbreaks do not strain some hospitals. I said that it does not add up that what should otherwise be about an order of magnitude worse than the 2017-2018 flu season appears to be less impactful. I left something out intentionally that you either don't know or never bothered to research. But as you can see here:

https://time.com/5107984/hospitals-handling-burden-flu-patients/

...during the 2017-2018 flu season hospitals DID set up triage tents and cancel elective surgeries.

The rest of it is of almost no relevance. If the death count in the country were really increasing by 40% a day - as was claimed during January - do you think the best you could do would be a report of 40% of Americans live in an area where ICUs are "strained?" That's a meaningless and subjective statement. I remember when the state of California changed its data after compiling tiers for reopening that implied a full state shutdown if they reached levels that were actually lower than what they previously expected during a bad flu season.

It is not hard to find examples of additional capacity being constructed. NYC did this. Northern VA and DC did this. Washington did this. The panic pornographers liked to mention that field hospitals were being constructed. Quietly, they would eventually report that they were dismantled without ever being used.

So, given that in 2018 we can see that a) elective and non-emergency surgeries WERE cancelled, b) mobile field hospitals WERE constructed, and c) mobile field hospitals WERE ACTUALLY USED, please explain how it is even remotely possible that hospitals on average never exceeded capacity while deaths increased by an order of magnitude.

And it continues...

So if you have anyone in your life you care enough to visit on their deathbed without vaccination they probably won't let you in. That's enough reason for a lot of people