When I walk through the door I’m at work. Anything after that is work and I expect to be compensated for my time.

Not for a guy named jerkstore, lol. Gross!

people are so weird about getting to work early.  I worked 10-6:30ish at my job this past summer and was criticized for not working 9-5 despite getting all my work done and never missing a deadline

Oh, and everyone else showed up at 10:30

Like I said above......I'm salary. I just need to get my projects done.....might work for 8 hours, might work for 12.   Been here 20 years.....and I still make it to work every day on time.

As well as increasing company morale and employee satisfaction.

Lol
My work says anytime between 7 and 10 show up, leave whenever, as long as you put in 40 hours in a week.

When my commute can be 35 minutes or an hour and 35 minutes, you can't expect me to be on a hard schedule.

I show up early to early to things I want to be at, work pays me for hours worked, so that's what I give them. No more, no less.

Can he clock in when he shows up and start getting paid? Or is salary?

If he's salary, 8:00 sounds exactly right. I, personally, am not a charity and do not work for free.

If he's hourly and can clock it? Sounds like he's missing out on free money.

In this thread: Straight up fucking off on company time is good, showing up 5 minutes late is bad.

Yeah I don't get too wound up about it. And send them home or anything like that. I just utilize situation to my advantage.  For example early guy gets to open up the job when I can't be there first thing in the morning. Employee 2 is my clean up batter. He takes care of a lot of last-minute things that come up on the job. And he knocks it out fast. It actually kind of balances everything out in its own way

This should blow your mind...  So I work for one of the 2 giant divested Regional Bell Operating Companies.  Our Wireline operations are Unionized, Wireless largely are not.  After Comcast was ordered to pay out OT for their call center employees having to login early I learned from someone who transferred from Wireless, that Wireless changed the policy where call center employees were allotted like 5 minutes at the beginning of their shift to get logged in and get systems opened.  Wireline still to this date doesn't have that policy at least in my call center.  It hasn't been a topic of discussion in a while, but I brought this up as a concern of the Union a few years back and I had a Manager laugh at me for saying that employees shouldn't be logging into their workstation until the clock hits the start of their shift for the day.  Our work rules also state that "agent is to be logged and ready to take a call at the start of their tour".  We'll see if the company eventually gets sued over this.

You want me there 15 min early pay for 15 min.

quit bitchin

I was 25mins late this morning, boss didn't say shit, because I am the boss

This.

And for a non customer facing job if anyone is worked up over a couple minutes, their priorities are wrong.

This.  We have no set working hours, no required number of hours, no time sheets and no office.

There's no such thing as "late".  You get your shit done or you get cut.

How many pieces of flair are required?

And now for the real answer OP:  It’s two things.

1.  He doesn’t know your unofficial rules.   Fill him in, to assuage your conscience.

2.  It’s how you are raised.   My mom is one of those notoriously late people.   OTOH, My wife was raised with the “Early is Ontime” philosophy.    I despise late people, but it’s been a lifetime battle to become an On-time person.    Sometimes, I’m even 5-10 min early, but it does not come natural.  It’s something I have to consciously decide on, every single day.

Give him a friendly talk, and tell him to change his habits, at least until he can get a better job.

What caused the sudden change of heart, I wonder? Could it be that people have posted examples of legal precedent proving you were wrong?



I personally say his quality of work should be what makes the biggest impression, not how much free labor you or the company can guilt him out of.

If you show up 15min late, do you stay 15min late?

Years ago I used to work at a place like that. They drove away all the good employees with petty stuff and who remained was the untouchable old timers that weren't very good at their jobs but always came in an hour early and often on their days off. Company got bought out and the new owners went in and cleaned house. They saw how bad things were. Fired most of management, closed down the plant and moved all the production back to the mothership. In the end, their petty nickpicking cost everyone their jobs.

I look at it like this. If my friend were 5 minutes late for lunch, would I be mad? Nope. 10 minute? Nope. 15-20, regularly? I'd be annoyed.

Nitpicking on a couple-5minutes late every once in a while? I'd say someone has a personality disorder

Something I’ve noticed about the OP’s type of people, They never notice when people stay late to finish something up because they’re the first ones out the door and usually stop working early so that they can get out by five.

Yes, or not get paid for those 15 minutes. Either option is acceptable, but would primarily depend upon the workload.

Back when I worked at an office I liked to get to work 15 min early.. not to start work but to put away my lunch, get a cup of coffee, chat with my co-workers. Work starts at 8 I don't get paid for starting early. That being said I can see where my boss would get upset if I showed up at 8am on the dot and then got coffee and whatnot and didn't start until 815.

It depends on the job but from the sound of it, who gives a fuck?

When I was an EMT I would usually show up 15-20 minutes early.  Everyone did as a courtesy to try and limit the number of late calls the crew you were relieving had to run over the course of a year.  A call could take you 1hr or longer so if they got a call last minute I would clock in early and let the other guy get home on time.  I didn't get paid to show up early unless I took a call but as I said, it was a courtesy we all did for our peers.

Short of something like that I don't see anything wrong with walking through the door right at start time.  A minute late from time to time?  If my employer is going to make a big stink over that I'm finding a new job because I guarantee they get all fired up over other petty shit as well.  This from a guy that still routinely tries to show up at least 10 minutes early so I can enjoy a nice, relaxing drive in to work and not feel rushed.

My current job they could give a shit when you show up as long as you call them to let them know if you're running late(so they don't start calling replacements in) and finish your route on time.  Rural mail carrier so we are paid a daily salary based on how much time our route is rated for and the only people that have to wait for us are the supervisors(they can't leave until everyone is back off the street).  So if you roll in 30 minutes late to work but still finish your route before the scheduled end of the supervisors shift they don't care.

Expect your employees to show up 15 minutes early to work every day without pay, then make a stink when some of them say "fuck that" and shoot for their actual start time?  Shouldn't surprise anyone... how many employers give out any form of bonus for perfect attendance?

Not many.... my wife got a 200 dollar bonus last year for a position that normally doesn't get any bonuses which was a nice gesture.  One of the comments attached to the bonus was about her attendance.  I figure that 200 just about squared her up for time spent standing at the punch clock waiting to clock in.

Positive incentives go a long way to retain good employees... negative reinforcement just keeps shitty employees in check.

That's going to depend on company policy.  My first job out of college allowed this so long as it wasn't a habitual issue.  Once every few months if you rolled in late, you state over the same amount of time.  This was accepted as common practice by supervisors and they'd typically sign on off on it.

My current job, that doesn't fly unless the employee is using what we call flex time.  We can adjust our schedule up to 2 hours early or late total in a month.  This can be split up for a total of 4 times that could equal up to 2 hours.  So if I wanted to go in early tomorrow I could use 1 hour of flex and leave an hour early.  This would leave me 1 hour to split up however I'd like 3 more times during the month.  If you're out of flex time or didn't call before the start of your shift.  The company says tough shit.  You get the occurrence on your record.  This can also vary from department to department.  In my department you're to be at your workstation at the start of your shift.  Other departments simply walking through the front door and showing up on the security camera at the start of your shift is being on time.

 Frankly, you are misguided.

PFD & RTS are two separate things.

What does your employer want? Most require people to be present for duty which is the punch in time.

The jobs that want people to be ready to start at a set time, knows how long it takes between PFD & RTS, and make sure they start the clock at PFD.

Please confirm the big picture.

1. Is the foot dragger meeting work objectives?
2. Is his tardiness impacting production or any other dept?
3. Is he abusing breaks?
4. If he leaving early?
5. How is he compensated?

And last, why are you so invested in this?

I've seen it too.

The person who shows up early and leaves early is applauded, regardless of how much work is actually done.

Meanwhile, the person who shows up later but works long into the evening is criticized for it, regardless of how many hours they work or how much work they get done.



Going back to my previous example, it took 3 people to cover the workload of one employee when she decided to retire. According to the Minute Mafia here, she would have been fired long ago for tardiness, despite the fact that she routinely put in more hours and got more work done than anyone else in the company.

Quite the sound business strategy, isn't it?

You must be one of the early birders. Who’s to say he isn’t in his car in the parking lot a good 20 mins or so before he has to clock in?

My personal view is that you do work when your on the clock, not before. So hell yea I see no problem clocking right in at 8:00am and starting right into work. If however like another poster said if he clocks in at 8:00am then goes and makes coffee, or to the bathroom on consistently then he needs to be wrote up.

This. I've left jobs over this.

If he is getting his work done and his responsibilities are satisfied, WTF does it matter?

And if he is hourly and has to clock in, then he's not getting paid for the time he's not there.

That is precisely the culture at most Jobs in the US.   People should teach their kids early on, this simple truth.

Like all the employers that tell you about working Saturday sometime on Friday?

Damn, I thought this kind of “Management” went out of style in the 90’s.

I get paid to produce work not be at work.
What benefit is there to being “on time”?

Taking a shit on company time feelz goodman !

Nothing like getting paid to take care of real world problems !

I’d imagine this has always been the management culture in call centers.  Time is monitored to the second and that’s not an exaggeration.

I have flex time were I work. I can go in anytime between 6-9 ish.  Work your 8 and leave no one micro manages.  My previous job in management   was 5 to 4 or 5. Fuck that company and fuck that never again. I'm much happier and alot more stress free.    I still go in early now to get done early.  I get paid more here as well plus they pay for grad school.  Cheaper insurance to

As a manager, yes I show up when I want to.

I don't have to show up at 6am, for my team members that work from 6-3. If I had to baby sit them, I just as well fire them.

When I was an intern, doing the CAD work for a manufacturing floor, clocking in 7 min early or 7 min late of 7am all paid the same b/c of rounding.

I have always been on time for my job. You are bitching about someone else's job. Unless you're the CAD guys boss/supervisor, you're wasting time worrying about when he gets to work.

You posting to arfcom from work? Seems like you are wasting company time.

And yes, I'm posting from work, b/c I'm a salary manager, who also can and does get phone calls 24/7 b/c I work for a global company, in a global support role.

I worked in steel fabrication and I arrived at work 2 minutes before the bell. I live 1.5 miles from where I used to work so I had the travel time down to the second. I would clock in 2 minutes before the bell and walk to my work area, open my toolbox and set my tools out, grab a drawing and be ready to start when the bell went off. The guys that came in a half hour early would still be sitting around bullshitting after the bell rang while I was already working. I got asked by management why I didn't come in early like the rest of the department and I straight up told them that while I came in so close to the bell, I was the only one actually working when the bell went off and that I'm paid to work not sit around and be social.

I come in when I want, but I also stay as late as necessary to get the job done.

I’m not OT eligible.

Logging in is part of the job?

That sounds like something that should be done while you're getting paid

If i can leave 15 early sure

We had something similar and no one got paid for being early....come to find out for the year thats a significant amount of money

Call center and round the clock shifts makes sense.

Engineering/CAD work?
Not so much.

If you're not leaving early, you're staying late. So leave on time. Be in your car driving home at least 15 minutes before the end of your shift. Otherwise it shows you're disorganized and disrespectful.

That's my feelings on it. Being punctual is a sign of respect and it costs you nothing. Maybe it doesn't affect the company's bottom line, but it usually carries over to other areas of that person's life. Late for lunch/dinner or other group events. That means whoever you're meeting is waiting on you. They feel like you don't value their time.

In a work setting, it definitely doesn't hurt to always be early. The boss will appreciate that as a sign of motivation. Agree, or not, that's just how it is.

My work starts when I get here.

I'm on salary, and my employer gets plenty of my time attributed to the company, so they concern themselves over a few minutes here or there.  They also don't concern themselves over doctor appointments, dropping my vehicle off at the shop, etc.

Glad I don't work at your company. Getting yelled at for being 1 minute late sounds miserable.

I think a lot of it depends on where you work. Construction sites, factories and places with multiple shifts need people there on time.

I'm a professional engineer at design firm. Offical start time is 8:00, I usually show up
Between 8:30 and 9:00. On the rare occasion someone comments on it I remind them I work 50+ hours a week and as a salaried employee only get paid for 40. Therefore I'll show up when I feel like it. If I'm late it's usually because I'm tired from working late at night after my kids go to bed.

Lol. You're literally bitching about a matter of 5 minutes. Surely you can't lack so much objectivity and/or perspective that you can't see how downright silly that is.

Is the guy producing quality work and meeting deadlines? Yes? Then who cares?

My brother is a senior programmer for Adobe. My dad is a senior programmer for a massive healthcare company. They both make well over 6 figures. They get to work whenever the fuck they want. I'm self-employed so I get to work whenever the fuck I want. Today that means starting at 1pm, which means I'm working until 9 or so. Busting people's balls for petty minutia like being 5 minutes "late" is proven to crush creativity and drive. Let people breath a little.

Actually I get irritated when my interns show up early (I'm a one man operation but do have interns from a local university consistently). To me it says you're uptight and rigid. Not good qualities in a creative field. 10-15 minutes late is ideal; stylish, yet not dispresctful.

My best intern showed up about 10 minutes late every day. The quality of his work was exceptional--that and attitude are the only things that actually matter. He's the only intern I have consistently hired out after his internship was over.

Imagine getting called into work for a meeting every Monday at 7:30 even though the day officially starts at 8:00.  The meetings sometimes go through lunch, for which we are compensated with 4 pizzas for a room of 15ish people.  I also usually get stuck working late because the hourly guys are on OT and they can't tie their shoes without an engineer to tell them to look down.  Then I get hounded at night and on weekends by our service guys that are on the road.

Now, bitch about me coming in 10-15 minutes late.  Go ahead.  Set me straight.  I'll gladly be here at 7:45 every day from now on and out the door at 5 sharp with my phone set to silent.