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I never got a black rifle until 12 years after I got out of the Corps. Thanks Obama. He prompted me to buy one. I got a SIG 556. It's a good rifle. Then I decided to build an A2 style like the one I had in service. I had forgotten how ingrained the handling of that weapon was to me. I since have many more AR's of various sorts. Fight like you train, the AR platform just makes sense to most people who pick it up. If I find myself in extreme cold for a prolonged time, I can always fall back on the SIG but I prefer the AR. Same ammo, same mags etc.
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Wot in tardnation is going on in here? Shits where it eats!1! ARs won't work if they're dirty!1!! Muh delicate flowers!! AKs are superior tech, comrade. It's like I've walked into Bills Discount Gun Emporium and listened to all the Navy Ranger Parajumpers swap stories about Nam. The most reliable, user serviceable, low maintenance semi-auto rifle you can buy today is an AR platform. Add in a super simple manual of arms, metric shit tonnes of spare parts, mags and ammo available and there is no question what a non-mongoloid would chose as a "prepper rifle". View Quote |
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This will be adequate for my needs
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In the service I actually saw ONE broken M16A2 firing pin.
It happened during a zero range. He got a different rifle and drove on. |
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Everything has pros and cons.
Your 'I have a hard time breaking it' rifle would be a G3 variant I think. But you're not going to find as much ammo, mags, and replacement parts if any around. Without rule of law for a few days to a week, probably AR15. Bugging out on the roads of post apocalyptic whatever after 3 years of us being kicked back to the stone age.. probably a rusty G3 or AK. |
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I gave up on the AR after I broke my 8th front pivot pin. I now only own guns that don’t pivot or flower! View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
Quoted: Should have gone with trigger springs, people would have believed that lol. I now only own guns that don’t pivot or flower! |
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Quoted: Should have gone with trigger springs, people would have believed that lol. I now only own guns that don’t pivot or flower! Attached File ULTIMATE WEAPON ACTIVATE |
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Quoted: Dude, it's RustedAce https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/456826/31FPqKedGKL__SX425__jpg-885184.JPG ULTIMATE WEAPON ACTIVATE View Quote 100% reliable confirmed. |
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But the Mini-14 dude is certainly giving him a run for the title. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes |
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Snip The gas tube is thin, fragile and subject to bending or breakingusually taking the rifle out of commission. Snip View Quote M4 vs. M4a1 carbine; destructive testing |
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Quoted: Should have gone with trigger springs, people would have believed that lol. I now only own guns that don't pivot or flower! https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/456826/31FPqKedGKL__SX425__jpg-885184.JPG ULTIMATE WEAPON ACTIVATE |
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I’m a shtf long term scenario the AR has the advantage bec of parts
But in the immediate shtf scenario I think there are better options and better weapons |
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I’m a shtf long term scenario the AR has the advantage bec of parts View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
But in the immediate shtf scenario I think there are better options and better weapons |
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Quoted: Socom had issues w the scar17 not 16 if I’m not mistaken I don’t have a 17 bec it eats up scopes, is way too expensive and I don’t like the proprietary mags View Quote SCAR 17 too expensive? Go be poor somewhere else. |
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Quoted: Yes please View Quote “After some delays, the first rifles began being issued to operational units in April 2009, and a battalion of the U.S. 75th Ranger Regiment was the first large unit deployed into combat with 600 of the rifles in 2009.[2] The U.S. Special Operations Command later cancelled their purchase of the SCAR-L and planned to remove the rifle from their inventory by 2013.” It happened after 2005, so it hasn’t happened in your timeline yet. |
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Quoted: The people who took SCAR 16s on deployment threw them away and got thier real guns back as fast as they could. I had a SCAR 16, was fun and I enjoyed the rifle but it wasn't better than my AR setups. Parted ways with it, if it were 1200-1500, I'd get another just for fun. |
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Quoted: Issues I've heard for the SCAR L (16) were broken stock hinges, broken triggers and seized gas plugs. The trigger also is a bitch to replace, without a special tool or a third hand, from what I've been told. I had a SCAR 16, was fun and I enjoyed the rifle but it wasn't better than my AR setups. Parted ways with it, if it were 1200-1500, I'd get another just for fun. View Quote |
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The bold part I can weigh in on because I've taken my lower apart because I like to take things apart. It's tricky to put the trigger in but IDK about special tools or third hands. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
Quoted: Issues I've heard for the SCAR L (16) were broken stock hinges, broken triggers and seized gas plugs. The trigger also is a bitch to replace, without a special tool or a third hand, from what I've been told. I had a SCAR 16, was fun and I enjoyed the rifle but it wasn't better than my AR setups. Parted ways with it, if it were 1200-1500, I'd get another just for fun. |
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I’m a shtf long term scenario the AR has the advantage bec of parts But in the immediate shtf scenario I think there are better options and better weapons View Quote If the SHTF ones priority should of course be avoiding all gunplay at all times. IF SHTF should try not to lone wolf it as there will be groups, better equipped logistically and better suited to outlast you, be it in firefight / raid or just making it to the long term by benefit of familiarity of resources. A small group of dudes with mismatched shit or an individual trying to make it a go with rare items will most likely not be around in the long term, possibly not even the short or intermediate. Way easier to link up with friendlies and maintain supply by keeping kits mostly the same, you will do better even in the short or intermediate term than the guys with jumbled together boutique gear. Of course all this means little if your crew don't know what the fuck they are doing. Commonality of weapons and supplies makes training easier and training is life. Literally. To be honest neither of us are wrong. If its going to most likely just you and plan on staying that way for a while, nothing wrong with what you are doing. Foe me I have a lot of friends and loved ones that I will be looking after and could spend 2-3x on rifles alone but when building mid range wit some high end parts where it counts rifles. I more easily can arm up a squad wit 10 mags mags each and optics and ammo to train with for everyone. Right now most would be hitting it with Primary Arms 3x and 1x optics as they are "good enough" and are known to take a decent ass kicking so regular banging around isn't as worrisome. (We ain't jumping at 30k then hitting salt water before a target) So like all things its what you expect to maybe need. I prefer to have the flexibility of arming up allies and having commonality and the benefits it entails for short, intermediate, or long term. |
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The AR is a more durable platform than the AK. By the time you need to replace the bolt on your AR (a $60 drop in replacement part), many AKs will have shot their trunnions loose. SKSs and Mini-14's break parts too. Mags are often the first thing to break. AR mags are cheap and can be found anywhere. View Quote PSSST...Don't tell the Polytech/Norinco AKs that have been here since the 80's, with thousands upon thousands of rounds thru them when ammo. was $60 for a 1K case, that their trunnions should be shot loose by now....BWAHAHAHA !!! |
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PSSST...Don't tell the Polytech/Norinco AKs that have been here since the 80's, with thousands upon thousands of rounds thru them when ammo. was $60 for a 1K case, that their trunnions should be shot loose by now....BWAHAHAHA !!! View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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The AR is a more durable platform than the AK. By the time you need to replace the bolt on your AR (a $60 drop in replacement part), many AKs will have shot their trunnions loose. SKSs and Mini-14's break parts too. Mags are often the first thing to break. AR mags are cheap and can be found anywhere. PSSST...Don't tell the Polytech/Norinco AKs that have been here since the 80's, with thousands upon thousands of rounds thru them when ammo. was $60 for a 1K case, that their trunnions should be shot loose by now....BWAHAHAHA !!! |
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This could be useful https://laststandonzombieisland.files.wordpress.com/2015/09/1027358753.jpg View Quote |
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How many times has that happened to you? View Quote Picture a spent case up around the gas tube in the upper, with another round released from the mag but not chambered wedged in the partially open action. It was NOT hinging open (first thing I tried). Only other option was taking a small flathead screwdriver and getting in there thru the ejection port to lightly work it (case) around trying not to break/gouge/fuck up anything while doing so until you get it out. That sucked. Thought about jerking the charging handle like a gorilla but on second thought with the way it was in there it looked like it may have made it worse and jammed tighter instead of clearing it. So I dug it out with a flathead screwdriver until I got the spent case to drop enough to clear it. Never had it happen since but did hear from a few people who got popped primer into the cam pin notch in the upper and stopped it cold. Not sure what ammo was being used as I got the info second hand, it was in the form of telling me how lucky I was to be able to clear mine without a trip to the gunsmith (how a primer would get in there or how to get it out remains a mystery to me). Knew of a DPMS Arctic Panther model with varmint SS barrel that didn't run worth a shit unless it was immaculately clean and lubed, wouldn't go thru much more than 100 rds without having multiple feeding issues. I've since added a second Bushmaster (before they were bought out) and a couple of PSA builds to the stable. Still though I prefer a gun I can pop the top in the event of a malfunction to better get at the problem & with some working room within. Haven't had a problem other than occasional stove pipe or FTF from a mag issue. I'm a sample size of exactly one But since you asked that was my experience with it and it kinda soured me on the AR a bit for the reasons I stated. |
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How many AKs do you own which have seen 25,000 or more rounds? That's generally considered to be around the round count where quality AR bolts start cracking. View Quote |
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Quoted: Almost got me once shooting PMC 55gr. with bras over bolt but it instead took a double feed course of fucking up and the resulting round stuck in the upper pinned the bolt back enough to get the spent case out of the upper but it wasn't quick and was aggravating. Rifle was Bushmaster XM-15, still have it, though I trashed the mag that malfunction occurred with 'cause I wasn't risking THAT shit again. Picture a spent case up around the gas tube in the upper, with another round released from the mag but not chambered wedged in the partially open action. It was NOT hinging open (first thing I tried). Only other option was taking a small flathead screwdriver and getting in there thru the ejection port to lightly work it (case) around trying not to break/gouge/fuck up anything while doing so until you get it out. That sucked. Thought about jerking the charging handle like a gorilla but on second thought with the way it was in there it looked like it may have made it worse and jammed tighter instead of clearing it. So I dug it out with a flathead screwdriver until I got the spent case to drop enough to clear it. Never had it happen since but did hear from a few people who got popped primer into the cam pin notch in the upper and stopped it cold. Not sure what ammo was being used as I got the info second hand, it was in the form of telling me how lucky I was to be able to clear mine without a trip to the gunsmith (how a primer would get in there or how to get it out remains a mystery to me). Knew of a DPMS Arctic Panther model with varmint SS barrel that didn't run worth a shit unless it was immaculately clean and lubed, wouldn't go thru much more than 100 rds without having multiple feeding issues. I've since added a second Bushmaster (before they were bought out) and a couple of PSA builds to the stable. Still though I prefer a gun I can pop the top in the event of a malfunction to better get at the problem & with some working room within. Haven't had a problem other than occasional stove pipe or FTF from a mag issue. I'm a sample size of exactly one But since you asked that was my experience with it and it kinda soured me on the AR a bit for the reasons I stated. View Quote 1) Remove magazine. 2) Strip a round from the mag. 3) Pull bolt to the rear through the ejection port by placing tip of round on face of bolt and pulling. Trapped round falls through mag well. |
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AR15 is fine for almost anything. You can configure it for many different situations and customize it what you are comfortable with.
For SHTF, the SKS is probably much more of a purist's survival rifle. Would also be hard to beat a suppressed 10/22 |
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Almost got me once shooting PMC 55gr. with bras over bolt but it instead took a double feed course of fucking up and the resulting round stuck in the upper pinned the bolt back enough to get the spent case out of the upper but it wasn't quick and was aggravating. Rifle was Bushmaster XM-15, still have it, though I trashed the mag that malfunction occurred with 'cause I wasn't risking THAT shit again. Picture a spent case up around the gas tube in the upper, with another round released from the mag but not chambered wedged in the partially open action. It was NOT hinging open (first thing I tried). Only other option was taking a small flathead screwdriver and getting in there thru the ejection port to lightly work it (case) around trying not to break/gouge/fuck up anything while doing so until you get it out. That sucked. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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How many times has that happened to you? Picture a spent case up around the gas tube in the upper, with another round released from the mag but not chambered wedged in the partially open action. It was NOT hinging open (first thing I tried). Only other option was taking a small flathead screwdriver and getting in there thru the ejection port to lightly work it (case) around trying not to break/gouge/fuck up anything while doing so until you get it out. That sucked. It's a pretty basic malfunction to clear, though not the most common. |
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He is totally correct. In an actual SHTF/Doom scenario the old flintlocks would be great!
1. No need for primers 2. No need for brass 3. Need for bullet molds.(Hensley&Gibbs preferred) 4. Need for black powder (you do know how to make good powder, yes?) 5. A good source of flint. And I assume you losers can make a decent lock. 6. Barrel making. If you have to ask how, you are already doomed. Assume the fetal position and cry for mommy. Or....ignore retard and buy what you want. With superior results. Being this is GD....get both. |
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FACT: The Tavor is among the worst choices available for prep guns. A weapon of such workmanship and expense is a scarlet banner waved above the operator's avatar in SHTF conditions. Situational awareness is compromised via a consequential harassment campaign consisting of the multitudes of surviving females intent on ringing Operator's mantenna with trim flocking about him. Even the most average-looking, personally insecure, and pecuniary-centered of operators bear the risk of coozeaclysm as the Mercedesean musk or epicurean taste wafts from his manbag sending them into a gold digging frenzy, thus compromising his position and field of movement. A second unintended consequence is that the beta-bank account males, so threatened by this phenomena have forced Operator into an unwitting match of King of the Hill. Vying for dominant position, Operator must contend with numbers... 2, 11, 87... men of the the Ford focus class gunning for Operator and his disproportional allocation of attention. Maintaining said position is all the more compromising for Operator as more often than not, the exchange of fire fails to deter at least one or two of the ravenous women, fully intent on oral favor in hopes of scratching a gold Krugerrand off his taint in the process. Fortunately the Tavor is so-equipped to run sustained firefights without mechanical breakdown or the need to scrounge inferiors for spares, but from the tactical standpoint, Operator must pose the age-old question, is worth the compromise? The answer to which Operator throws back his shoulders in a gale of valley-thundering laughter as he inserts the rounds backwards into his USP mag with a broad grin growling the age old mantra of the Ubermench: No Compromises. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
Quoted: Sucks that money is an issue for u. But for me I want quality and reliability since I feel my life and the life of my family is worth it. Yeah a Ford Focus will get u from point a to point b. But Mercedes will get u there more comfortably and is less likely to break down. And get you laid on the way there! A weapon of such workmanship and expense is a scarlet banner waved above the operator's avatar in SHTF conditions. Situational awareness is compromised via a consequential harassment campaign consisting of the multitudes of surviving females intent on ringing Operator's mantenna with trim flocking about him. Even the most average-looking, personally insecure, and pecuniary-centered of operators bear the risk of coozeaclysm as the Mercedesean musk or epicurean taste wafts from his manbag sending them into a gold digging frenzy, thus compromising his position and field of movement. A second unintended consequence is that the beta-bank account males, so threatened by this phenomena have forced Operator into an unwitting match of King of the Hill. Vying for dominant position, Operator must contend with numbers... 2, 11, 87... men of the the Ford focus class gunning for Operator and his disproportional allocation of attention. Maintaining said position is all the more compromising for Operator as more often than not, the exchange of fire fails to deter at least one or two of the ravenous women, fully intent on oral favor in hopes of scratching a gold Krugerrand off his taint in the process. Fortunately the Tavor is so-equipped to run sustained firefights without mechanical breakdown or the need to scrounge inferiors for spares, but from the tactical standpoint, Operator must pose the age-old question, is worth the compromise? The answer to which Operator throws back his shoulders in a gale of valley-thundering laughter as he inserts the rounds backwards into his USP mag with a broad grin growling the age old mantra of the Ubermench: No Compromises. |
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Bolt overrides are cleared by fingering the bolt back and racking the charging handle back and karate chopping it forward. It's a pretty basic malfunction to clear, though not the most common. View Quote |
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...and with a charging handle on the side, it’s so easy you may not even realize what the malfunction was (I have a side-charging AR). Always nice during a class with malfunction drills to be back up and running when everyone else is going Bruce Lee on their rifles. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Bolt overrides are cleared by fingering the bolt back and racking the charging handle back and karate chopping it forward. It's a pretty basic malfunction to clear, though not the most common. Blindfolded malfunctions demonstration |
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Quoted: Almost got me once shooting PMC 55gr. with bras over bolt but it instead took a double feed course of fucking up and the resulting round stuck in the upper pinned the bolt back enough to get the spent case out of the upper but it wasn't quick and was aggravating. Rifle was Bushmaster XM-15, still have it, though I trashed the mag that malfunction occurred with 'cause I wasn't risking THAT shit again. Picture a spent case up around the gas tube in the upper, with another round released from the mag but not chambered wedged in the partially open action. It was NOT hinging open (first thing I tried). Only other option was taking a small flathead screwdriver and getting in there thru the ejection port to lightly work it (case) around trying not to break/gouge/fuck up anything while doing so until you get it out. That sucked. Thought about jerking the charging handle like a gorilla but on second thought with the way it was in there it looked like it may have made it worse and jammed tighter instead of clearing it. So I dug it out with a flathead screwdriver until I got the spent case to drop enough to clear it. Never had it happen since but did hear from a few people who got popped primer into the cam pin notch in the upper and stopped it cold. Not sure what ammo was being used as I got the info second hand, it was in the form of telling me how lucky I was to be able to clear mine without a trip to the gunsmith (how a primer would get in there or how to get it out remains a mystery to me). Knew of a DPMS Arctic Panther model with varmint SS barrel that didn't run worth a shit unless it was immaculately clean and lubed, wouldn't go thru much more than 100 rds without having multiple feeding issues. I've since added a second Bushmaster (before they were bought out) and a couple of PSA builds to the stable. Still though I prefer a gun I can pop the top in the event of a malfunction to better get at the problem & with some working room within. Haven't had a problem other than occasional stove pipe or FTF from a mag issue. I'm a sample size of exactly one But since you asked that was my experience with it and it kinda soured me on the AR a bit for the reasons I stated. View Quote Super legit. |
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