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Link Posted: 3/21/2019 12:23:43 AM EDT
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I abuse the fuck out of my guns. They're tools, not safe queens and internet gun porn. Hell I've had a Blackhawk 44 go tits up on me. And I know they're built like tanks.
Out here in the rough, not a shooting range or your back yard shit just breaks, and I want to stick with what works for me, because believe it or not, sometimes my life depends in it even now.
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I abuse the fuck out of my guns. They're tools, not safe queens and internet gun porn. Hell I've had a Blackhawk 44 go tits up on me. And I know they're built like tanks.
Out here in the rough, not a shooting range or your back yard shit just breaks, and I want to stick with what works for me, because believe it or not, sometimes my life depends in it even now.
Abuse?  Why?  I use mine, use them hard and I'm not afraid to drag one through the mud in a crawl, or shoot hard and for a bunch of outings while doing no more than checking to see if the lube's still in place, but "abuse"?

No, that would be mind-bendingly stupid and asinine.

Sounds to me like you buy or build ARs with shit parts, and then go out of your way to MAKE them break.
Link Posted: 3/21/2019 1:43:09 AM EDT
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Yes, yes it is.

People who can choose, choose the M4 period.
Link Posted: 3/21/2019 1:46:01 AM EDT
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I can have four for the price of one SCAR though.

When it comes to prepping...I think that's important.  I'd rather outfit me and three others with PSA ARs than myself having one SCAR.
Link Posted: 3/21/2019 1:59:59 AM EDT
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The AR is like the Glock 19.  There are things that beat it in one or two areas but overall, it is the best.
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Its basically a runaway race in the case of the M4/AR. Any other rifle comes with significant disadvantages.
Link Posted: 3/21/2019 2:01:09 AM EDT
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The AR is a more durable platform than the AK.

By the time you need to replace the bolt on your AR (a $60 drop in replacement part), many AKs will have shot their trunnions loose.

SKSs and Mini-14's break parts too.

Mags are often the first thing to break. AR mags are cheap and can be found anywhere.
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Ooooh Kay, lets not get too far out there - the Battlefield Vegas numbers show a whole litany of issues that arise with an AR on the way to 100,000 rounds (which IIRC is when I recall the AK trunnions can start to go)  Which is far, far more than just about any rifle will be shot, now or in SHTF.  Sure, the issues can be fixed with spare parts, but other designs, when well made, will also last effectively a lifetime - which now or in SHTF, is likely far, far less than 100,000 rounds.
Link Posted: 3/21/2019 2:05:26 AM EDT
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All you need for shtf is an HK91, some face paint, and a first aid kit.
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Don't forget the coil of rappelling rope.
Link Posted: 3/21/2019 2:08:35 AM EDT
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Ooooh Kay, lets not get too far out there - the Battlefield Vegas numbers show a whole litany of issues that arise with an AR on the way to 100,000 rounds.  Which is far, far more than just about any rifle will be shot, now or in SHTF.
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The AR is a more durable platform than the AK.

By the time you need to replace the bolt on your AR (a $60 drop in replacement part), many AKs will have shot their trunnions loose.

SKSs and Mini-14's break parts too.

Mags are often the first thing to break. AR mags are cheap and can be found anywhere.
Ooooh Kay, lets not get too far out there - the Battlefield Vegas numbers show a whole litany of issues that arise with an AR on the way to 100,000 rounds.  Which is far, far more than just about any rifle will be shot, now or in SHTF.
Stamped AKs shooting their rivets loose is a pretty well established issue. It can happen long before 100,000 rounds.

Some manufacturers are worse about it than others, but it is a real issue and generally marks the end of the user-serviceable life of an AK.

What observable wear ends the service life of an AR lower? Every other part is essentially user replaceable with readily available tools in the US.
Link Posted: 3/21/2019 2:25:58 AM EDT
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Truth be told, and this is coming from a highly experienced operator with decades of experience in highly top secret hot zones (we in the business call it “Black Ops”) — any decent assault rifle with a 30-bullet clip will suffice. The secret we experienced operators know that most don’t (and I really shouldn’t be telling this to the general public) is that it all comes down to your choice of optic that you’re going to put on your assault rifle. Most inexperienced preppers will opt for a cheap, $30 NC Star whereas those of us “in the community” won’t skimp where it matters most. We’ll pony up the dough for serious optics, like the Bushnell TRS-80, or something of that pedigree. A truly “can’t miss” optic will be the deciding factor whether you survive and thrive in the upcoming, post-apocalyptic world we’ll all need to live in.

Confront your fears and Corpus Christi!
Link Posted: 3/21/2019 2:55:49 AM EDT
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Bullshit.

You get that BCG into the buffer tube & jammed at the lucking lugs with something like a popped primer or similar. Your ass is doing NOTHING in the field with that gun without some actual tools. Gun won't even hinge open at that point...Tap, rack, bang ain't fixing that shit. Possibly same if something gets into the FCG, you'll be disassembling the entire FCG to get whatever jammed it up out of there.
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Horseshit.

Basic “keep the gun running” maintenance requires the same stuff with an AK or an AR.

More advanced “change or replace parts” maintenance for the AR requires a hell of a lot less specialized equipment than the AK.
Bullshit.

You get that BCG into the buffer tube & jammed at the lucking lugs with something like a popped primer or similar. Your ass is doing NOTHING in the field with that gun without some actual tools. Gun won't even hinge open at that point...Tap, rack, bang ain't fixing that shit. Possibly same if something gets into the FCG, you'll be disassembling the entire FCG to get whatever jammed it up out of there.
How many times has that happened to you?
Link Posted: 3/21/2019 2:56:30 AM EDT
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This is about the dumbest post I've read today.

Yes, the AR15 is phenomenal when its a QUALITY AR, but going to the bargain bin for a weapon you're going to use to defend yourself is all sorts of stupid...
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I’m not even gonna give that article a click

The AR 15 is a phenomenal platform

Your house isn’t Nam

Get PSA uppers and lowers and spend your money on a BCG, Optic and a Light.

Save money, Save your life, save a horse ride a cowboy
This is about the dumbest post I've read today.

Yes, the AR15 is phenomenal when its a QUALITY AR, but going to the bargain bin for a weapon you're going to use to defend yourself is all sorts of stupid...
How many PSA ARs have you seen fail?
Link Posted: 3/21/2019 2:57:42 AM EDT
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Not true of the high end ones build by reputable people here in the states.
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AKs are unreliable trash.
Not true of the high end ones build by reputable people here in the states.
They cost upwards of 1200 dollars. I can put together 3 PSA rifles for that price, and my two buddies will have one too.
Link Posted: 3/21/2019 3:00:39 AM EDT
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But muh PSA is just as good as a KAC! JUST AS GOOD!
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This is about the dumbest post I've read today.

Yes, the AR15 is phenomenal when its a QUALITY AR, but going to the bargain bin for a weapon you're going to use to defend yourself is all sorts of stupid...
But muh PSA is just as good as a KAC! JUST AS GOOD!
Nobody says that. We say that PSA rifles are good enough.
Link Posted: 3/21/2019 3:12:19 AM EDT
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Link Posted: 3/21/2019 3:13:36 AM EDT
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Stop listening to and reading articles by dumbfucks. Especially dumbfucks that use WhEn I WaS In ThE MiLiTaRy to justify their dumbfuckery.

Also, anybody claiming to regularly break ARs because "muh guns are tools" is a liar.
Link Posted: 3/21/2019 3:37:14 AM EDT
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Reading that article was like watching a Yankee Marshall video.
Link Posted: 3/21/2019 4:01:21 AM EDT
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Stamped AKs shooting their rivets loose is a pretty well established issue. It can happen long before 100,000 rounds.

Some manufacturers are worse about it than others, but it is a real issue and generally marks the end of the user-serviceable life of an AK.

What observable wear ends the service life of an AR lower? Every other part is essentially user replaceable with readily available tools in the US.
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The AR is a more durable platform than the AK.

By the time you need to replace the bolt on your AR (a $60 drop in replacement part), many AKs will have shot their trunnions loose.

SKSs and Mini-14's break parts too.

Mags are often the first thing to break. AR mags are cheap and can be found anywhere.
Ooooh Kay, lets not get too far out there - the Battlefield Vegas numbers show a whole litany of issues that arise with an AR on the way to 100,000 rounds.  Which is far, far more than just about any rifle will be shot, now or in SHTF.
Stamped AKs shooting their rivets loose is a pretty well established issue. It can happen long before 100,000 rounds.

Some manufacturers are worse about it than others, but it is a real issue and generally marks the end of the user-serviceable life of an AK.

What observable wear ends the service life of an AR lower? Every other part is essentially user replaceable with readily available tools in the US.


Rivets huh? Lol, I assume you're talking about a cheap 150 dollar us manufactured AK?
Link Posted: 3/21/2019 4:04:42 AM EDT
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The AR is like the Glock 19.  There are things that beat it in one or two areas but overall, it is the best.
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Nailed it. I carry Glocks because they are common and reliable. I never owned an AR untill just a few months ago. It was cheap, common and so far it has not missed a stroke.
Link Posted: 3/21/2019 4:21:14 AM EDT
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Rivets huh? Lol, I assume you're talking about a cheap 150 dollar us manufactured AK?
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The AR is a more durable platform than the AK.

By the time you need to replace the bolt on your AR (a $60 drop in replacement part), many AKs will have shot their trunnions loose.

SKSs and Mini-14's break parts too.

Mags are often the first thing to break. AR mags are cheap and can be found anywhere.
Ooooh Kay, lets not get too far out there - the Battlefield Vegas numbers show a whole litany of issues that arise with an AR on the way to 100,000 rounds.  Which is far, far more than just about any rifle will be shot, now or in SHTF.
Stamped AKs shooting their rivets loose is a pretty well established issue. It can happen long before 100,000 rounds.

Some manufacturers are worse about it than others, but it is a real issue and generally marks the end of the user-serviceable life of an AK.

What observable wear ends the service life of an AR lower? Every other part is essentially user replaceable with readily available tools in the US.


Rivets huh? Lol, I assume you're talking about a cheap 150 dollar us manufactured AK?
Link to 150 dollar US manufactured AK? I'll buy 5.
Link Posted: 3/21/2019 4:24:47 AM EDT
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Lol, a majority of that article is made up crap to make more negative points...  " the carrier rattles in the upper since it doesnt ride on rails, causing the bolt to misalig in the chamber" lol what?  (I paraphrased)
Link Posted: 3/21/2019 5:14:01 AM EDT
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the AR is not the best rifle there is. But it's cheap, easy, good enough, light, and ammo is OK. it's a compromise, and it's barbie for men. the best? no. good enough? you betcha
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Link Posted: 3/21/2019 5:17:10 AM EDT
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2005 posting confirmed.
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Both shoot much smoother than ARs. It’s very noticeable. Scar is just as accurate and probably more reliable too. Tavor is much shorter. Scar stock can fold.  Both are piston guns which are cleaner and keep gases away from the action and shooter. Piston ARs do the same and parts are proprietary as well
2005 posting confirmed.
GUYS!

I TIME TRAVELED FROM THE PAST! I’M HERE TO SAVE THE FUTURE!

NO TIME TO EXPLAIN, WE NEED TO ABANDON THE AR PLATFORM AND ADOPT PLASTIC GUNS SHAPED LIKE FISH OR MINI14S!!!

IT SHITS WHERE IT EATS, STARCHAMBER, AND BOLT FLOWERS DON’T BELONG!
Link Posted: 3/21/2019 5:42:57 AM EDT
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Nobody says that. We say that PSA rifles are good enough.
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Yep.  I read these forums daily and have been for years.  I’ve never seen anyone make that claim, although I did once say that PSA’s FN barrels are just as good as Colt’s and holy shit did all Hell break loose!
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Link Posted: 3/21/2019 6:16:42 AM EDT
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Why would you use a firearm in a SHTF situation that would be hard as hell to scrounge basic replacement parts for including magazines? The AR is probably the easiest rifle you'll ever find to scrounge parts for if you prepped and the SHTF plus the cheapest to stockpile a few parts for.
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In a true SHYF, most people (even with an AR15, AK, M14, Tavor, SCAR) are not going to fire more than 100 rounds in anger before either being killed by superior firepower, (battling someone better, sneakier, or luckier) Or the situation will normalize with rule of law soon enough.

If the AR15 is good enough for the militaries all over the world and 95% of all law enforcement which, by the way, actually experience real SHTF in real conditions in all parts of the world, then it's good enough for almost damn near everyone who trains with it.
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Rivets huh? Lol, I assume you're talking about a cheap 150 dollar us manufactured AK?
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The AR is a more durable platform than the AK.

By the time you need to replace the bolt on your AR (a $60 drop in replacement part), many AKs will have shot their trunnions loose.

SKSs and Mini-14's break parts too.

Mags are often the first thing to break. AR mags are cheap and can be found anywhere.
Ooooh Kay, lets not get too far out there - the Battlefield Vegas numbers show a whole litany of issues that arise with an AR on the way to 100,000 rounds.  Which is far, far more than just about any rifle will be shot, now or in SHTF.
Stamped AKs shooting their rivets loose is a pretty well established issue. It can happen long before 100,000 rounds.

Some manufacturers are worse about it than others, but it is a real issue and generally marks the end of the user-serviceable life of an AK.

What observable wear ends the service life of an AR lower? Every other part is essentially user replaceable with readily available tools in the US.


Rivets huh? Lol, I assume you're talking about a cheap 150 dollar us manufactured AK?
Every fault of the AK gets instantly turned into a no-true-Scotsman fallacy of "that one failed because it isn't a real AK!"

Funny thing about the AR is that even when made by goddamned idiots (or the Chinese) they're still pretty durable. You have to cast the receivers or make them out of plastic to get them to be fragile.

And no, loose rivets, the resulting loose trunnions and egged out receivers are not solely observed on American AKs.
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I've had a gas key crack, I've had two firing pins break, I've had my rifle malfunction due to lack of cleaning.
I've never experienced any of this with an AK, SKS or mini 14. Maybe Im just unlucky/lucky
I've had 10/22s fail, yet Marlin 60s just run and run.

I abuse the fuck out of my guns. They're tools, not safe queens and internet gun porn. Hell I've had a Blackhawk 44 go tits up on me. And I know they're built like tanks.
Out here in the rough, not a shooting range or your back yard shit just breaks, and I want to stick with what works for me, because believe it or not, sometimes my life depends in it even now.
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I've had a gas key crack, I've had two firing pins break, I've had my rifle malfunction due to lack of cleaning.
I've never experienced any of this with an AK, SKS or mini 14. Maybe Im just unlucky/lucky
I've had 10/22s fail, yet Marlin 60s just run and run.

I abuse the fuck out of my guns. They're tools, not safe queens and internet gun porn. Hell I've had a Blackhawk 44 go tits up on me. And I know they're built like tanks.
Out here in the rough, not a shooting range or your back yard shit just breaks, and I want to stick with what works for me, because believe it or not, sometimes my life depends in it even now.


This has to be a troll. There is no way that this inane, nonsensical rambling is serious commentary.

I abuse the fuck out of my guns.
Out here in the rough, not a shooting range or your back yard shit just breaks
Cause meet effect.

It sounds like you use your guns to do shit other than shoot; like dig post holes, drive nails, and unclog toilets.

The constant failures you describe are not likely, hell, they aren't possible without extremely high round counts that aren't seen outside of high-volume commercial and military firing ranges OR  through willful misuse of the products.

You're a liar or a great troll.
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This has to be a troll. There is no way that this inane, nonsensical rambling is serious commentary.

Cause meet effect.

It sounds like you use your guns to do shit other than shoot; like dig post holes, drive nails, and unclog toilets.

The constant failures you describe are not likely, hell, they aren't possible without extremely high round counts that aren't seen outside of high-volume commercial and military firing ranges OR  through willful misuse of the products.

You're a liar or a great troll.
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To be fair. I bought a marlin 60 used in 93' . 22 was 5$ per 500 rounds.
One summer i decided to try a kill it.
It wouldn't die.
I never bought a 10/22.
Link Posted: 3/21/2019 9:07:58 AM EDT
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I can have four for the price of one SCAR though.

When it comes to prepping...I think that's important.  I'd rather outfit me and three others with PSA ARs than myself having one SCAR.
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Are you going to carry and shoot 4 ARs at the same time ?
I would rather have one reliable weapon.

And I can afford 4 scars. So if I want 4 I would get 4
Or have both and give the AR to others that support me
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Stamped AKs shooting their rivets loose is a pretty well established issue. It can happen long before 100,000 rounds.

Some manufacturers are worse about it than others, but it is a real issue and generally marks the end of the user-serviceable life of an AK.

What observable wear ends the service life of an AR lower? Every other part is essentially user replaceable with readily available tools in the US.
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The AR is a more durable platform than the AK.

By the time you need to replace the bolt on your AR (a $60 drop in replacement part), many AKs will have shot their trunnions loose.

SKSs and Mini-14's break parts too.

Mags are often the first thing to break. AR mags are cheap and can be found anywhere.
Ooooh Kay, lets not get too far out there - the Battlefield Vegas numbers show a whole litany of issues that arise with an AR on the way to 100,000 rounds.  Which is far, far more than just about any rifle will be shot, now or in SHTF.
Stamped AKs shooting their rivets loose is a pretty well established issue. It can happen long before 100,000 rounds.

Some manufacturers are worse about it than others, but it is a real issue and generally marks the end of the user-serviceable life of an AK.

What observable wear ends the service life of an AR lower? Every other part is essentially user replaceable with readily available tools in the US.
I’m not a huge fan of AKs   But I do like them.  I shot a Russian stamped AK in Afghanistan that was from the 50s on full auto in 2017. So I think AKs are hard to beat when it comes to durability. Also, they make milled receivers for AKs like my SLR95. I don’t have to worry about di it’s there
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Are you going to carry and shoot 4 ARs at the same time ?
I would rather have one reliable weapon.

And I can afford 4 scars. So if I want 4 I would get 4
Or have both and give the AR to others that support me
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I can have four for the price of one SCAR though.

When it comes to prepping...I think that's important.  I'd rather outfit me and three others with PSA ARs than myself having one SCAR.
Are you going to carry and shoot 4 ARs at the same time ?
I would rather have one reliable weapon.

And I can afford 4 scars. So if I want 4 I would get 4
Or have both and give the AR to others that support me
If your plan is to survive on your own with the best weapons money can buy, then you've already lost.

You need friends. Allies.
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Again my point is that there are other weapons just as good if not better than an AR

I don’t care about a weapon pastime 100 years

I care about a weapon that will function well when it’s needed, abused, dirty etc...

I’d the SHTF there will be plenty of weapons around. And unless the scenario lasts years most of what you guys are saying is irrelevant
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What other weapons of its class have you experienced that you think are better than the AR15?

the guys at Little Creek seem to think the Mini14 is preferable.
They do?
He’s talking about Little Creek, Arizona.  It’s near Punkin Center.  The guys there are Jim and Big Mike.  They own a septic tank company that works all over Gila County.  Good guys, they love the Mini-14 for some reason.
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If your plan is to survive on your own with the best weapons money can buy, then you've already lost.

You need friends. Allies.
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I can have four for the price of one SCAR though.

When it comes to prepping...I think that's important.  I'd rather outfit me and three others with PSA ARs than myself having one SCAR.
Are you going to carry and shoot 4 ARs at the same time ?
I would rather have one reliable weapon.

And I can afford 4 scars. So if I want 4 I would get 4
Or have both and give the AR to others that support me
If your plan is to survive on your own with the best weapons money can buy, then you've already lost.

You need friends. Allies.
I agree. And that’s why I have 8 ARs 6 AKs 3 FALs and a lot more.   And a shot ton of ammo.
It during that time I’m going to be carrying the best weapon that can use AR mags

And I have a skill that’s needed in times like that so I’ll always be a valuable asset
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Again my point is that there are other weapons just as good if not better than an AR

I don’t care about a weapon pastime 100 years

I care about a weapon that will function well when it’s needed, abused, dirty etc...

I’d the SHTF there will be plenty of weapons around. And unless the scenario lasts years most of what you guys are saying is irrelevant
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So why do our special forces continue to carry AR variants? They have the funding and autonomy to field any weapon they want, and they chose the M4 time after time. Why?
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Star chamber? JFC

Another example of how a DD214 doesn’t make you an SME.
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Wait, hold on.  I speak Drill Sergeant.

“Star chamber” translates to “barrel extension” in modern standard AR.
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Holy fuck... legit LOL.
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Holy fuck... legit LOL.
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I can smell a VA sleep apnea claim through the article.
Holy fuck... legit LOL.
You’re just jealous because you had to fake falling off a ladder to get Disability and now you gotta check for insurance company PIs before you go jogging or mow the lawn.
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The AR-15 America's Rifle

Is the MOST suitable weapon for preppers.

.22LR, .223/556, 6.5 grendel, 50 Beowulf,458 SOCOM,300 BO pistols, .308 AR-10,6.5 CM
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Sorry fellas, I've seen them go down too often without proper care, I wouldn't trust one without an armory to keep them maintained, at least within the confines of this discussion.

I'd sooner have a mini 14 if I had to have a mouse gun for personal defense.
I think my situation will be very different than everyone else's though, because I'm sure as hell not planning on fighting other people.
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Where did you see them go down without proper care?
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I've had a gas key crack, I've had two firing pins break, I've had my rifle malfunction due to lack of cleaning.
I've never experienced any of this with an AK, SKS or mini 14. Maybe Im just unlucky/lucky
I've had 10/22s fail, yet Marlin 60s just run and run.

I abuse the fuck out of my guns. They're tools, not safe queens and internet gun porn. Hell I've had a Blackhawk 44 go tits up on me. And I know they're built like tanks.
Out here in the rough, not a shooting range or your back yard shit just breaks, and I want to stick with what works for me, because believe it or not, sometimes my life depends in it even now.

I have a had time believing a simple, and well built rifle like a 223 rem 700 or a higher dollar 3k+ rifle will fail, lock up, or malfunction before an AR in the same caliber. Bolts are just very simplistic designs.
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You broke firing pins?
Link Posted: 3/21/2019 9:32:53 AM EDT
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Quantity has a quality all its own.
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Why would you use a firearm in a SHTF situation that would be hard as hell to scrounge basic replacement parts for including magazines? The AR is probably the easiest rifle you'll ever find to scrounge parts for if you prepped and the SHTF plus the cheapest to stockpile a few parts for.
Quantity has a quality all its own.
Yep.  Good weapon adaptable as hell.  Plenty of spare parts laying around...
Link Posted: 3/21/2019 10:01:13 AM EDT
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You broke firing pins?
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This WTF?

Dude must be building with some really cheap assed parts and by abusing I guess he meant he took a  3 lb hammer to his  rifle
Link Posted: 3/21/2019 10:09:52 AM EDT
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Lol, a majority of that article is made up crap to make more negative points...  " the carrier rattles in the upper since it doesnt ride on rails, causing the bolt to misalig in the chamber" lol what?  (I paraphrased)
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Funny thing is the carrier has four bearing surfaces machined on it, so it rides on those rails against the upper instead of the entire carrier touching.

Kharn
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You broke firing pins?
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I've had a gas key crack, I've had two firing pins break, I've had my rifle malfunction due to lack of cleaning.
I've never experienced any of this with an AK, SKS or mini 14. Maybe Im just unlucky/lucky
I've had 10/22s fail, yet Marlin 60s just run and run.

I abuse the fuck out of my guns. They're tools, not safe queens and internet gun porn. Hell I've had a Blackhawk 44 go tits up on me. And I know they're built like tanks.
Out here in the rough, not a shooting range or your back yard shit just breaks, and I want to stick with what works for me, because believe it or not, sometimes my life depends in it even now.

I have a had time believing a simple, and well built rifle like a 223 rem 700 or a higher dollar 3k+ rifle will fail, lock up, or malfunction before an AR in the same caliber. Bolts are just very simplistic designs.
You broke firing pins?
Yeah that made me LOL.
Link Posted: 3/21/2019 10:18:21 AM EDT
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Ooooh Kay, lets not get too far out there - the Battlefield Vegas numbers show a whole litany of issues that arise with an AR on the way to 100,000 rounds (which IIRC is when I recall the AK trunnions can start to go)  Which is far, far more than just about any rifle will be shot, now or in SHTF.  Sure, the issues can be fixed with spare parts, but other designs, when well made, will also last effectively a lifetime - which now or in SHTF, is likely far, far less than 100,000 rounds.
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Everybody has a SHTF fantasy where he is Rambo, Chuck Norris, John Wayne and Ron Jeremy all rolled into one.  The truth is that if you go around getting into firefights, your odds of catching a bullet go way up and sooner or later you will be dead and your soccer Mom harem and ammo fort will fall to somebody else.
 Standardized equipment for you and your family/group is more important than one guy with a bad ass gun.  Get solid equipment and supplies.  Stock a few parts kits and you'll be as good as you can be.

For me, the AR is pretty much perfect for preppers.  Its cheap, accurate, reliable and versital.  Ammo and mags are very reasonable.
Link Posted: 3/21/2019 10:24:15 AM EDT
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This fucking thread is no-shit comedy gold.

Some of the comments on this page have me cackling like a hyena.
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I care about a weapon that will function well when it's needed, abused, dirty etc...
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Which is an AR.
Link Posted: 3/21/2019 10:28:28 AM EDT
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Why would you use a firearm in a SHTF situation that would be hard as hell to scrounge basic replacement parts for including magazines? The AR is probably the easiest rifle you'll ever find to scrounge parts for if you prepped and the SHTF plus the cheapest to stockpile a few parts for.
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This! Author is a retard
Link Posted: 3/21/2019 10:34:28 AM EDT
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Wot in tardnation is going on in here?

Shits where it eats!1!
ARs won't work if they're dirty!1!!
Muh delicate flowers!!
AKs are superior tech, comrade.

It's like I've walked into Bills Discount Gun Emporium and listened to all the Navy Ranger Parajumpers swap stories about Nam.

The most reliable, user serviceable, low maintenance semi-auto rifle you can buy today is an AR platform.  Add in a super simple manual of arms, metric shit tonnes of spare parts, mags and ammo available and there is no question what a non-mongoloid would chose as a "prepper rifle".
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