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Posted: 6/13/2023 4:56:22 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Lol at OP - Literally every shooter is better with SAO from new to IDPA Champion - They are the most affordable 2011 out there that isn't trash - Glock 17 < Glock 19 - Increased capacity - Has OP ever fired a SAO? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: @whiskersthecat Lol at OP - Literally every shooter is better with SAO from new to IDPA Champion - They are the most affordable 2011 out there that isn't trash - Glock 17 < Glock 19 - Increased capacity - Has OP ever fired a SAO? Fixed |
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Posted: 6/13/2023 4:58:03 PM EDT
[#2]
Quoted: When the vast majority of people are not capable of firing a handgun accurately |
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Posted: 6/13/2023 4:59:23 PM EDT
[#3]
Ima get both
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Posted: 6/13/2023 5:00:39 PM EDT
[#4]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Have you shot one? How is the trigger? |
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Posted: 6/13/2023 5:01:57 PM EDT
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Posted: 6/13/2023 5:01:58 PM EDT
[#6]
Because you can hide a lack of trigger control with a 4lb single action with .030" travel.
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Posted: 6/13/2023 5:04:41 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You'll shoot a better gun better. The whole "the gun is more accurate than the shooter" is bullshit. Yes, the mechanical accuracy is, but there is a lot more that goes into making a good shot than mechanical accuracy. It’s like nails on a chalkboard to me. ALL GUNS SHOOT BETTER THAN THE PERSON SHOOTING IT. PEOPLE CAN NOT SHOOT BETTER THAN THE MECHANICAL ACCURACY OF ANY GIVEN FIREARM. The idea that people have to justify buying a more accurate weapon is asinine. Who cares if they can’t hit the broadside of a barn. Let people buy what they want. |
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Posted: 6/13/2023 5:05:58 PM EDT
[#8]
Cause it’s sexy as fuck.
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Posted: 6/13/2023 5:08:30 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuote HistoryNot for nothing, but if you're posting a Sig Legion and an APC with a Holosun and some whack pistol brace conversion to stock pad instead of buying the real stock as evidence of non poor status....  Attached FileThe NH is nice though. Who did you borrow it from? 
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Posted: 6/13/2023 5:09:10 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: It’s like nails on a chalkboard to me. ALL GUNS SHOOT BETTER THAN THE PERSON SHOOTING IT. PEOPLE CAN NOT SHOOT BETTER THAN THE MECHANICAL ACCURACY OF ANY GIVEN FIREARM. The idea that people have to justify buying a more accurate weapon is asinine. Who cares is they can’t hit the broadside of a barn. Let people buy what they want. Yes they can, but you have to look at much longer ranges to do it. I agree with you 100% on handguns, but there are many people shooting better scores in 600 and 1000 yard matches than a gun in a vise will shoot, due to wind calls shot to shot. We could argue about whether the outside influence is truly impacting mechanical accuracy but conditions are conditions and they require live interaction to mitigate. |
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Posted: 6/13/2023 5:12:07 PM EDT
[#11]
Staccato is a good looking pistol. But not that good looking when I can get something cheaper
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Posted: 6/13/2023 5:13:02 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Speak for yourself. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: When the vast majority of people are not capable of firing a handgun accurately  Attached File |
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Posted: 6/13/2023 5:13:26 PM EDT
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They kept all the best parts of the 1911 platform (trigger, ergonomics) while addressing the shortcomings (weight, capacity) in a package that isn’t astronomically expensive.
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Posted: 6/13/2023 5:13:39 PM EDT
[#14]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Staccato is a good looking pistol. But not that good looking when I can get something cheaper Many folks like quality over cheapness. The cheapest option is to not buy anything at all and stay home. |
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Posted: 6/13/2023 5:14:32 PM EDT
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2500 pffffft. My TSO with mags and SRO cost that. The new Staccato I'm eyeballing is over 4 grand.
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Posted: 6/13/2023 5:15:36 PM EDT
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My agency for about two or three years allowed us to carry the Springfield professional 1911. Most accurate handgun I’ve ever shot in my life and I don’t shoot outside of quarterly qualifications. Currently I carry a Glock 17 or 19 but compared to my 1911 my scores are down by at least 15% even though I shoot the exact same amount every year. The firearm in fact does make a big difference in accuracy.
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Posted: 6/13/2023 5:15:39 PM EDT
[#17]
These threads are always fun.
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Posted: 6/13/2023 5:16:21 PM EDT
[#18]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Staccato is a good looking pistol. But not that good looking when I can get something cheaper Hi-Points are a lot cheaper. |
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Posted: 6/13/2023 5:17:03 PM EDT
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Though I own a few it’s been awhile since I’ve really handled a 1911, I’ve just been shooting my soulless Tupperware carry guns. I picked up a Prodigy and figured it’d scratch the itch of a 2011. I know full well where the Prodigy is on the spectrum of 2011’s, but even then, I REALLY like it. Instead of curing that desire, it made me want a Staccato that much more. Turns out these 2011’s are pretty cool after all.
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Posted: 6/13/2023 5:18:53 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Probably the 3rd time I ever fired handguns, I went to a range and rented a glock, a sig p226, a kriss vector, and a Sig 1911. I was massively more accurate at 10 yards with the 1911 than the others. It wasn't even close. The straight back pull of the trigger and grip angle makes it better than all the others for effortless accuracy. I know Sigs have a lot of haters, and I know Sig 1911’s have a lot of haters among 1911 fans as it’s not a “true” 1911. But I have two (C3 and Emperor Scorpion) and they’re VERY nice and offer quality and features well above their price point. |
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Posted: 6/13/2023 5:22:47 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Yes they can, but you have to look at much longer ranges to do it. I agree with you 100% on handguns, but there are many people shooting better scores in 600 and 1000 yard matches than a gun in a vise will shoot, due to wind calls shot to shot. We could argue about whether the outside influence is truly impacting mechanical accuracy but conditions are conditions and they require live interaction to mitigate. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: It’s like nails on a chalkboard to me. ALL GUNS SHOOT BETTER THAN THE PERSON SHOOTING IT. PEOPLE CAN NOT SHOOT BETTER THAN THE MECHANICAL ACCURACY OF ANY GIVEN FIREARM. The idea that people have to justify buying a more accurate weapon is asinine. Who cares is they can’t hit the broadside of a barn. Let people buy what they want. Yes they can, but you have to look at much longer ranges to do it. I agree with you 100% on handguns, but there are many people shooting better scores in 600 and 1000 yard matches than a gun in a vise will shoot, due to wind calls shot to shot. We could argue about whether the outside influence is truly impacting mechanical accuracy but conditions are conditions and they require live interaction to mitigate. The difficult part about long range shooting is for the most part reading the elements. People will occasionally get groups smaller than the mechanical accuracy than the firearm, I done it several times. They aren’t going to do it every time they shoot, because there is a bit of luck involved in it happening. |
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Posted: 6/13/2023 5:30:18 PM EDT
[#22]
XC master race
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Posted: 6/13/2023 5:33:39 PM EDT
[#23]
Because some people like skinny girls and some like fat ones?
Tastes vary, although the straight pull trigger on a Staccato just feels better than any pivoting trigger. |
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Posted: 6/13/2023 5:35:36 PM EDT
[#24]
If I was a gun gamer I'd probably have one. The price is a bit off-putting though since I don't.
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Posted: 6/13/2023 5:44:41 PM EDT
[#25]
Well now I wanna get a Staccato just so I can put a 507Comp on it.
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Posted: 6/13/2023 5:45:58 PM EDT
[#26]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Not for nothing, but if you're posting a Sig Legion and an APC with a Holosun and some whack pistol brace conversion to stock pad instead of buying the real stock as evidence of non poor status.... /media/mediaFiles/sharedAlbum/Jennifer-Lawrence-ok-thumbs-up_zps5c0357b9_GIF-103.gif The NH is nice though. Who did you borrow it from? The Nighthawk is mine. Second 1911 I ever bought. Ed Brown was the first. Traded the Ed Brown for a Colt Model 70 Gold Cup. The APC came from the factory with the brace and tailhook, and the stock from BT was never in stock. Ironic. The Legion is perfection. DA trigger is better than the NH. SA is flawless. Reset is insane. Sad, because I can't stand Sig 1911's. |
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Posted: 6/13/2023 5:46:12 PM EDT
[#27]
US Army Delta Force gave STI a try. They gave up and went back to Glock.
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Posted: 6/13/2023 5:48:03 PM EDT
[#28]
Quote HistoryQuoted: US Army Delta Force gave Staccato a try. They gave up and went back to Glock. I'd rather have a Glock for dragging through the mud |
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Posted: 6/13/2023 5:48:21 PM EDT
[#29]
Quote HistoryQuoted: US Army Delta Force gave Staccato a try. They gave up and went back to Glock. Dupe, internet broke |
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Posted: 6/13/2023 5:51:49 PM EDT
[#30]
Quote HistoryQuoted: The Nighthawk is mine. Second 1911 I ever bought. Ed Brown was the first. Traded the Ed Brown for a Colt Model 70 Gold Cup. The APC came from the factory with the brace and tailhook, and the stock from BT was never in stock. Ironic. The Legion is perfection. DA trigger is better than the NH. SA is flawless. Reset is insane. Sad, because I can't stand Sig 1911's. 
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Posted: 6/13/2023 6:07:53 PM EDT
[#31]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I bought some with the thought of replacing my glocks I carry and I still carry my glocks. Eta: they are nice and fun to shoot and very accurate. I have a p and a c2 both with rmrs. Similar situation, but I carry S&W, FN and HK. Also ended up selling my C2 |
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Posted: 6/13/2023 6:09:40 PM EDT
[#32]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Hi-Points are a lot cheaper. Hey hey hey, not that cheap
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Posted: 6/13/2023 6:15:08 PM EDT
[#33]
Completely made in the USA
Incredible warranty/customer service I shoot mine better than the Glocks it replaced. You do you. If I had a job where I was overseas depending on my handgun for my life and had a supply chain, etc. then I MIGHT go back to a Glock, but seeing as I'm not high speed, nor low drag my C2/RMR works very well in it's intended role, as does my P Dpos |
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Posted: 6/13/2023 6:15:24 PM EDT
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And did STI's get more popular now that Staccato is the new heat, or are they considered old and busted?
I've got a NIB STI .45 single stack that I never got around to using, figured it was what it was, and then I see that all of a sudden the renamed company is the shizzle. |
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Posted: 6/13/2023 6:37:23 PM EDT
[#35]
Quote HistoryQuoted: And did STI's get more popular now that Staccato is the new heat, or are they considered old and busted? I've got a NIB STI .45 single stack that I never got around to using, figured it was what it was, and then I see that all of a sudden the renamed company is the shizzle. STI was a good company that made intro guns for USPSA and a bunch of 1911s. Then they tried to make just competition guns (DVC), but it soon became apparent that their guns wouldn't last with the high round counts comp shooters shot. So they went to the tactical timmy market with a big instagram marketing campaign. It works great for them because timmies don't shoot a lot but like to spend a lot of money to try to impress other shooters. |
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Posted: 6/13/2023 6:39:46 PM EDT
[#36]
A 1993 Honda Civic will get me from point A to point B the same as a new 911 turbo.
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Posted: 6/13/2023 6:40:37 PM EDT
[#37]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Most of arfcom is not most of the gun owning community Most of arfcom isn’t buying staccatos Most of Arf doesn't even shoot more than once or twice a year |
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Posted: 6/13/2023 6:41:52 PM EDT
[#38]
Quote HistoryQuoted: It has nothing to do with how accurate the gun is, it is how accurate the gun makes the shooter. I can shoot a 2011 WAY better than my comp'd 320. Mainly it boils down to the trigger. Exactly. I swear lots of people here don’t shoot. |
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Posted: 6/13/2023 6:44:00 PM EDT
[#39]
Who doesn’t love flexing on the poors at the range?
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Posted: 6/13/2023 6:46:18 PM EDT
[#40]
Quote HistoryQuoted: The difficult part about long range shooting is for the most part reading the elements. People will occasionally get groups smaller than the mechanical accuracy than the firearm, I done it several times. They aren’t going to do it every time they shoot, because there is a bit of luck involved in it happening. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: It’s like nails on a chalkboard to me. ALL GUNS SHOOT BETTER THAN THE PERSON SHOOTING IT. PEOPLE CAN NOT SHOOT BETTER THAN THE MECHANICAL ACCURACY OF ANY GIVEN FIREARM. The idea that people have to justify buying a more accurate weapon is asinine. Who cares is they can’t hit the broadside of a barn. Let people buy what they want. Yes they can, but you have to look at much longer ranges to do it. I agree with you 100% on handguns, but there are many people shooting better scores in 600 and 1000 yard matches than a gun in a vise will shoot, due to wind calls shot to shot. We could argue about whether the outside influence is truly impacting mechanical accuracy but conditions are conditions and they require live interaction to mitigate. The difficult part about long range shooting is for the most part reading the elements. People will occasionally get groups smaller than the mechanical accuracy than the firearm, I done it several times. They aren’t going to do it every time they shoot, because there is a bit of luck involved in it happening. Fair enough. That's the challenge, knowing the variable and compensating for it. |
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Posted: 6/13/2023 6:47:01 PM EDT
[#41]
Because they haven’t found Alchemy 2011s yet?
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Posted: 6/13/2023 6:56:01 PM EDT
[#42]
A Staccato is like a woman yes all women have the same parts some look really great some not. A Staccato is a fine looking woman who will blow your mind in the sack
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Posted: 6/13/2023 6:58:04 PM EDT
[#43]
Quote HistoryQuote HistorySir what is this? SINGLE ACTION ONLY 
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Posted: 6/13/2023 6:58:31 PM EDT
[#44]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Because some people aren't poor and like nice things? Why do poor/cheap people always feel the need to talk shit about the stuff they can't afford or are too cheap to buy?  Attached FileAnd I am poor |
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Posted: 6/13/2023 7:00:10 PM EDT
[#45]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Because they haven’t found Alchemy 2011s yet? Or the dozens of other companies that make quality 2011s |
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Posted: 6/13/2023 7:01:49 PM EDT
[#46]
Quote HistoryQuoted: They kick ass that's why. I shoot mine better than any other handgun I have ever owned. It's like cheating.  Attached File |
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Posted: 6/13/2023 7:05:06 PM EDT
[#47]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Or the dozens of other companies that make quality 2011s Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Because they haven’t found Alchemy 2011s yet? Or the dozens of other companies that make quality 2011s Yes, but Alchemy is the one that gives me the fuzzies in my tummy… |
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Posted: 6/13/2023 8:45:13 PM EDT
[#48]
Quote HistoryQuoted: US Army Delta Force gave Staccato a try. They gave up and went back to Glock. An appeals to authority challenger has appeared! |
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Posted: 6/13/2023 8:47:36 PM EDT
[#49]
Quote HistoryQuoted: US Army Delta Force gave Staccato a try. They gave up and went back to Glock. The US also bought HK416s and SCARs. Their opinion is to be discarded immediately. |
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Posted: 6/13/2023 8:54:27 PM EDT
[#50]
Quote HistoryQuoted: And did STI's get more popular now that Staccato is the new heat, or are they considered old and busted? I've got a NIB STI .45 single stack that I never got around to using, figured it was what it was, and then I see that all of a sudden the renamed company is the shizzle. Obviously, when the new owners decided to pivot to the duty market, it was a better business move. There’s also a big thread on Enos about STIs vs Staccato and what’s changed for the better internally |
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