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Posted: 4/27/2016 8:57:08 AM EST
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Can someone link one of the "ask a guy sitting in a ______ Walmart parking lot for the next 87 hours anything" posts?
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Posted: 4/27/2016 9:04:33 AM EST
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When trucks are automated, things are going to change.
Even if they are automated only on the Interstate, things will change. Image automated truck drop-off and pickup stations every few exits on the Interstates. Drivers take the trucks from the warehouse to the auto-station. Program a destination, and off it goes. Another guy at the destination 1000 miles away picks the truck up from the station the next morning and takes it to the drop-off location. |
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Posted: 4/27/2016 9:06:22 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Maybe, perhaps, if MIRACULOUS changes happen in distribution networks, you might see point-to-point automation - but you'll NEVER see driverless big-rigs navigating 100% of the routes out there now, our infrastructure, guidance technology, and the all-too-frail human dispatching issues make it impossible. I'd bet my life's savings that in 20 years, not even 10% of the trucking industry is fully automated. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Dead end career. 18-wheelers will be automated in 10-15 years. http://cdn1.sciencefiction.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/03/Terminator-Genisys-Terminator-1024x681.jpg Maybe, perhaps, if MIRACULOUS changes happen in distribution networks, you might see point-to-point automation - but you'll NEVER see driverless big-rigs navigating 100% of the routes out there now, our infrastructure, guidance technology, and the all-too-frail human dispatching issues make it impossible. I'd bet my life's savings that in 20 years, not even 10% of the trucking industry is fully automated. |
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Posted: 4/27/2016 9:12:57 AM EST
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The hassle of getting and keeping a CDL compounded with a job with lack of home time then top it all off with our current "Entitlement Generation" pretty much explains it to me.
Oh, since they oulawed cell phone use while driving (along with facebooking, face timing whatever else too) kinda makes it a non-starter with the young 'uns today anyway. |
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Posted: 4/27/2016 9:13:04 AM EST
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Can someone link one of the "ask a guy sitting in a ______ Walmart parking lot for the next 87 hours anything" posts? Real trucking doesn't work that way. Distribution centers, warehouses, docks, terminals, etc are either open 24/7, or the logistics network has exact, scheduled delivery and pick up times. The most my guys sit, besides weekends and their 11-12 hour break, is 2 hours. After that, I start charging someone and they start paying me to sit there. At the end of the day, I still get paid and the driver gets paid as well. |
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Posted: 4/27/2016 9:15:49 AM EST
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In the past 5 or so years, some regulation came out regarding your neck size. If you met that size, you had to have sleep tests done to test for sleep apnea.
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Posted: 4/27/2016 9:20:17 AM EST
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It is hard for a whole lot of folks to pass the "Wis Quiz", plus you have a good driving record and show up for work every day. Where are you going to find folks like that? When I got my CDL I had a spotless 20 year driving record and could easily pass a drug test and couldn't even find a decent company willing to hire me. Everyone wanted a minimum of 3 years verifiable driving experience. Not sure if this shortage is that bad where I used to live. Some companies came out to the CDL school looking to hire people and as soon as they left the instructors all warned us "You do not want to work for them". |
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Posted: 4/27/2016 9:35:08 AM EST
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I went oil trucking in ND because OTR doesn't pay shit.
Pay me to move the truck, do my pre/post inspections, to sit in a dock, deal with incompetency from shippers/recievers/dispatchers, and a healthy stipend to be out in the truck in the first place, and I'll think about it. I've got 11yrs driving everything but a flatbed or a wiggle-wagon with no accidents, some of which is in weather you see Ice Road Truckers park in. Pay me what i'm worth or I'll go somewhere else. Another reason no one goes OTR besides the afforementioned "dead end job": once you go find something higher paying, no one wants to hire you. I got turned down by a few outfits after my last layoff all because I haven't slept in a truck in the last three years. One wanted to send me with a trainer, lol. |
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Posted: 4/27/2016 9:46:55 AM EST
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'cause their Mom's have bad knees. Are you aware that there are people in this world that have a severe medical condition which causes them to be that way? My mother for instance is one of those people. She is a truck driver that has bad knees and a bad back from driving the truck but you probably do not care about that case either. Oh well I am not one of those people. I am 6'4" 245lbs and I exercise every day. I would love to see you say something like that to my mother in front of me. Probably never happen though you are probably just an internet tough guy. I doubt very seriously you would say that to someones face. Just my thought. What do you think? Oh I am sorry you probably do not have a brain. I on the other hand will be happy to buy you a plane ticket to come here and see if you have the nerve to say that to someone I know. Your e-penis is fucking HUGE Enormous! 
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Posted: 4/27/2016 9:48:02 AM EST
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#1 would be regulations.
#2 lazy people. #3 brokered loads suck ass. How much are they keeping? Fuck the companies over until they can't move freight then all of a sudden the rate is good. #4 regulations again. People making laws that have no idea how the industry works. Look at our current DOT secretary and draw your own conclusion. Disclaimer: Heavy equipment mechanic whose family owns trucks and I work a 3rd job loading freight for a major LTL carrier 2-3 nights a week. Wife owns 12 trucks. |
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Posted: 4/27/2016 9:48:26 AM EST
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'cause their Mom's have bad knees. Are you aware that there are people in this world that have a severe medical condition which causes them to be that way? My mother for instance is one of those people. She is a truck driver that has bad knees and a bad back from driving the truck but you probably do not care about that case either. Oh well I am not one of those people. I am 6'4" 245lbs and I exercise every day. I would love to see you say something like that to my mother in front of me. Probably never happen though you are probably just an internet tough guy. I doubt very seriously you would say that to someones face. Just my thought. What do you think? Oh I am sorry you probably do not have a brain. I on the other hand will be happy to buy you a plane ticket to come here and see if you have the nerve to say that to someone I know. Your e-penis is fucking HUGE 
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Posted: 4/27/2016 10:24:38 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The limitations on hours per day seems to have screwed their ability to make decent money, and get back home. I dont want them behind the wheel 16 hours a day either , but having them spend more time in truck stops watching porn and playing video poker than actually driving doesnt make much sense. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Regulated to death. Our government at work. The limitations on hours per day seems to have screwed their ability to make decent money, and get back home. I dont want them behind the wheel 16 hours a day either , but having them spend more time in truck stops watching porn and playing video poker than actually driving doesnt make much sense. Get it straight, guy. Can only drive for 11 hours, with a 30 min mandatory break after 7-1/2 hours max. And must have 10 hours off before driving again. And be on duty, incl driving a max of 60 hours in 7 days. Plus a whole bunch of other crap.... But it's OK for cops, firemen, ER doctors, nurses to work straight 24 hour shifts, in the lifesaving dept.  |
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Posted: 4/27/2016 10:46:00 AM EST
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WTF is the deal with sleep apnea? Millions suffer from it. I'm on a CPAP myself.
You can't drive if you have apnea? |
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Posted: 4/27/2016 10:52:31 AM EST
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First one that wipes out a car and occupants will put the kibosh on that whole program after the lawsuit. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Dead end career. 18-wheelers will be automated in 10-15 years. http://cdn1.sciencefiction.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/03/Terminator-Genisys-Terminator-1024x681.jpg Maybe, perhaps, if MIRACULOUS changes happen in distribution networks, you might see point-to-point automation - but you'll NEVER see driverless big-rigs navigating 100% of the routes out there now, our infrastructure, guidance technology, and the all-too-frail human dispatching issues make it impossible. I'd bet my life's savings that in 20 years, not even 10% of the trucking industry is fully automated. So far, google's experience with automated cars is that the accidents are caused by the driverless vehicle actually following traffic laws. It's going to be pretty hard to win those lawsuits - yah I know people will still try, but after losing 100% of them, they'll give up. Well, unless they change the law because feels. |
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Posted: 4/27/2016 11:00:38 AM EST
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WTF is the deal with sleep apnea? Millions suffer from it. I'm on a CPAP myself. You can't drive if you have apnea? I know two people who were forced out of the industry due to health issues or so they tell me. As I understand it, there's a laundry list of disqualifiers now that will get you yanked from behind the wheel. |
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Posted: 4/27/2016 11:08:33 AM EST
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It is hard for a whole lot of folks to pass the "Wis Quiz", plus you have a good driving record and show up for work every day. Where are you going to find folks like that? We have issues with it. 2 of our 6 drivers bitch about working too much. One only drives 2360 miles a week. The other drives less. I'm part time and often drive more. |
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Posted: 4/27/2016 11:13:30 AM EST
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In the past 5 or so years, some regulation came out regarding your neck size. If you met that size, you had to have sleep tests done to test for sleep apnea. They've never measured mine. My current physical is 5 weeks old. . I did get to have fun with them over the dipstick though. |
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Posted: 4/27/2016 11:15:16 AM EST
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WTF is the deal with sleep apnea? Millions suffer from it. I'm on a CPAP myself. You can't drive if you have apnea? Have to have a cpap. |
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Posted: 4/27/2016 11:16:11 AM EST
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I know two people who were forced out of the industry due to health issues or so they tell me. As I understand it, there's a laundry list of disqualifiers now that will get you yanked from behind the wheel. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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WTF is the deal with sleep apnea? Millions suffer from it. I'm on a CPAP myself. You can't drive if you have apnea? I know two people who were forced out of the industry due to health issues or so they tell me. As I understand it, there's a laundry list of disqualifiers now that will get you yanked from behind the wheel. Oddly, type 1 diabetes has been taken off the list. Waivers are now possible. |
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Posted: 4/27/2016 11:19:04 AM EST
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Regulated to death. Our government at work. A lot of this. Also when you get paid by the mile.....and traffic is moving at 10 mph crawling in and out of major cities or some fucktard on a cellphone just plowed into some immoveable object at 85 mph on a major interstate and it's going to take 3 hours to get around said former fucktard's remains......you can't make enough to pay for much anymore. You will always hear about the "industries" that are destroying themselves cry about "no one qualified.....". |
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Posted: 4/27/2016 11:20:18 AM EST
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Maybe, perhaps, if MIRACULOUS changes happen in distribution networks, you might see point-to-point automation - but you'll NEVER see driverless big-rigs navigating 100% of the routes out there now, our infrastructure, guidance technology, and the all-too-frail human dispatching issues make it impossible. I'd bet my life's savings that in 20 years, not even 10% of the trucking industry is fully automated. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Dead end career. 18-wheelers will be automated in 10-15 years. http://cdn1.sciencefiction.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/03/Terminator-Genisys-Terminator-1024x681.jpg Maybe, perhaps, if MIRACULOUS changes happen in distribution networks, you might see point-to-point automation - but you'll NEVER see driverless big-rigs navigating 100% of the routes out there now, our infrastructure, guidance technology, and the all-too-frail human dispatching issues make it impossible. I'd bet my life's savings that in 20 years, not even 10% of the trucking industry is fully automated. If you'd be interested in a p-mag bet, we'd need to come up with some terms so we can quantify a winner. I would bet that in 2036 10% of the miles driven OTR are by non-humans. |
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Posted: 4/27/2016 11:22:48 AM EST
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Posted: 4/27/2016 11:23:19 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: If you'd be interested in a p-mag bet, we'd need to come up with some terms so we can quantify a winner. I would bet that in 2036 10% of the miles driven OTR are by non-humans. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Dead end career. 18-wheelers will be automated in 10-15 years. http://cdn1.sciencefiction.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/03/Terminator-Genisys-Terminator-1024x681.jpg Maybe, perhaps, if MIRACULOUS changes happen in distribution networks, you might see point-to-point automation - but you'll NEVER see driverless big-rigs navigating 100% of the routes out there now, our infrastructure, guidance technology, and the all-too-frail human dispatching issues make it impossible. I'd bet my life's savings that in 20 years, not even 10% of the trucking industry is fully automated. If you'd be interested in a p-mag bet, we'd need to come up with some terms so we can quantify a winner. I would bet that in 2036 10% of the miles driven OTR are by non-humans. I'd gladly take that bet. I haven't even mentioned liability issues. Now, when a driver fucks up - the trucking company and driver share liability. When your Volvo AutoBot 2000 mows over 20 cars because the sensors are covered in shit, or it glitches, who gets sued? Volvo. Every. Accident. How many of those can the companies shoulder to weather the beta testing and early years? Not many, if they're huge, or class-action suits. Lawyers kill technology better than real world limitations, which are substantial. |
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Posted: 4/27/2016 11:27:57 AM EST
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'cause their Mom's have bad knees. Its a condition!!!!! 
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Posted: 4/27/2016 11:30:20 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: After 25 years in a factory setting as a supervisor my brother decided to give OTR trucking a go. He took the training locally since it was paid by the state because his plant closed. He's out in the Pacific Northwest training with the company right now. If you have a wife and kids, I don't think it would be a healthy job for the family. Since he's single with no kids, he might like it. He's been out there about a month and has another month to go. Two months would be a stretch to not see your kids for most families. He'll be driving in the Midwest region once he's assigned a truck. He can take loads anywhere in the country or stay regional. He's planning on doing his "re-sets" in a place he would like to visit so he can spend time there. |
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Posted: 4/27/2016 11:34:06 AM EST
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I'd gladly take that bet. I haven't even mentioned liability issues. Now, when a driver fucks up - the trucking company and driver share liability. When your Volvo AutoBot 2000 mows over 20 cars because the sensors are covered in shit, or it glitches, who gets sued? Volvo. Every. Accident. How many of those can the companies shoulder to weather the beta testing and early years? Not many, if they're huge, or class-action suits. Lawyers kill technology better than real world limitations, which are substantial. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Dead end career. 18-wheelers will be automated in 10-15 years. http://cdn1.sciencefiction.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/03/Terminator-Genisys-Terminator-1024x681.jpg Maybe, perhaps, if MIRACULOUS changes happen in distribution networks, you might see point-to-point automation - but you'll NEVER see driverless big-rigs navigating 100% of the routes out there now, our infrastructure, guidance technology, and the all-too-frail human dispatching issues make it impossible. I'd bet my life's savings that in 20 years, not even 10% of the trucking industry is fully automated. If you'd be interested in a p-mag bet, we'd need to come up with some terms so we can quantify a winner. I would bet that in 2036 10% of the miles driven OTR are by non-humans. I'd gladly take that bet. I haven't even mentioned liability issues. Now, when a driver fucks up - the trucking company and driver share liability. When your Volvo AutoBot 2000 mows over 20 cars because the sensors are covered in shit, or it glitches, who gets sued? Volvo. Every. Accident. How many of those can the companies shoulder to weather the beta testing and early years? Not many, if they're huge, or class-action suits. Lawyers kill technology better than real world limitations, which are substantial. The prize is just too great, DriverBot v1.2 would sell all day long for $100,000 with $10k/yr maintenance. DriverBot v1.2 could drive 24hrs a day, never go on strike, save on fuel, would be safer..yada yada yada... There are 3.5 million professional drivers in the US, do the math. |
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Posted: 4/27/2016 11:42:55 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The prize is just too great, DriverBot v1.2 would sell all day long for $100,000 with $10k/yr maintenance. DriverBot v1.2 could drive 24hrs a day, never go on strike, save on fuel, would be safer..yada yada yada... There are 3.5 million professional drivers in the US, do the math. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Dead end career. 18-wheelers will be automated in 10-15 years. http://cdn1.sciencefiction.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/03/Terminator-Genisys-Terminator-1024x681.jpg Maybe, perhaps, if MIRACULOUS changes happen in distribution networks, you might see point-to-point automation - but you'll NEVER see driverless big-rigs navigating 100% of the routes out there now, our infrastructure, guidance technology, and the all-too-frail human dispatching issues make it impossible. I'd bet my life's savings that in 20 years, not even 10% of the trucking industry is fully automated. If you'd be interested in a p-mag bet, we'd need to come up with some terms so we can quantify a winner. I would bet that in 2036 10% of the miles driven OTR are by non-humans. I'd gladly take that bet. I haven't even mentioned liability issues. Now, when a driver fucks up - the trucking company and driver share liability. When your Volvo AutoBot 2000 mows over 20 cars because the sensors are covered in shit, or it glitches, who gets sued? Volvo. Every. Accident. How many of those can the companies shoulder to weather the beta testing and early years? Not many, if they're huge, or class-action suits. Lawyers kill technology better than real world limitations, which are substantial. The prize is just too great, DriverBot v1.2 would sell all day long for $100,000 with $10k/yr maintenance. DriverBot v1.2 could drive 24hrs a day, never go on strike, save on fuel, would be safer..yada yada yada... There are 3.5 million professional drivers in the US, do the math.
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Posted: 4/27/2016 11:50:12 AM EST
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Hell if I know.
HKH, you fucker... 
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Posted: 4/27/2016 11:54:42 AM EST
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I'd imagine as the technology improves, more companies will begin to operate driverless trucks.
Face it, sure, they need a driver now, have glitches with the software following the rules of the road. But if you get large companies, such as Amazon, Walmart, etc... massive companies that have fixed delivery points for their full truck load runs, it's a no brainer for them. The tech will improve and humans will be weeded out. Cost on these systems will decline as the tech improves, technology advances funded by interested companies who want to reduce their labor costs. Short term loss for long term gain. |
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Posted: 4/27/2016 11:56:54 AM EST
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There's an influx of Middle Eastern truck drivers that barely speak English, and will haul for peanuts. That's why. Mostly No Habla from points further south around here. A buddy of mine drove truck years ago. Even as a young, single guy with nothing keeping him in one place, he grew road weary pretty quick. |
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Posted: 4/27/2016 12:00:17 PM EST
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Been reading a few articles about the need for and lack of pro truck drivers. Why is this? Low pay? Horrible long hours? Too difficult to get into? I was a truck driver..... Most "good" Truck jobs are paying the same wages from 20 years ago. The rest are paying even less. Im not working 70 hours a week for 50k a year. |
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Posted: 4/27/2016 12:03:34 PM EST
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New trucks cost over a 100k now. Freightliners automated truck they made last year cost them over a million bucks,and it still needed a driver. $100k not the price of the truck, just the soft/hardware to drive it. DriverBot v1.2 does not need air-conditioning, a radio, a plush ride cab, a sleeper or even a windshield. DriverBot v1.2 does not require matching 401k or healthcare. DriverBot v1.2 has never murdered a prostitute. With greater uptime and faster deliverers, DriverBot v1.2 is the safer choice for the driving fleet of tomorrow. Other DriverBot v1.2 users have paid off the cost of DriverBot v1.2 in as little as 6 months vs the ongoing cost of human drivers. Can you risk your company by not using DriverBot v1.2? 
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Posted: 4/27/2016 12:13:02 PM EST
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I was a truck driver..... Most "good" Truck jobs are paying the same wages from 20 years ago. The rest are paying even less. Im not working 70 hours a week for 50k a year. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Been reading a few articles about the need for and lack of pro truck drivers. Why is this? Low pay? Horrible long hours? Too difficult to get into? I was a truck driver..... Most "good" Truck jobs are paying the same wages from 20 years ago. The rest are paying even less. Im not working 70 hours a week for 50k a year. Yep, I drove for a couple years recently when my position was eliminated at Caterpillar. I was making more money in a warehouse setting, than driving. Seems some local companies are paying local drivers cents per mile and some money for the load. I get a kick every time I see them ads, "Make $80k your first year"
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Posted: 4/27/2016 12:15:11 PM EST
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Yep, I drove for a couple years recently when my position was eliminated at Caterpillar. I was making more money in a warehouse setting, than driving. Seems some local companies are paying local drivers cents per mile and some money for the load. I get a kick every time I see them ads, "Make $80k your first year"
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Been reading a few articles about the need for and lack of pro truck drivers. Why is this? Low pay? Horrible long hours? Too difficult to get into? I was a truck driver..... Most "good" Truck jobs are paying the same wages from 20 years ago. The rest are paying even less. Im not working 70 hours a week for 50k a year. Yep, I drove for a couple years recently when my position was eliminated at Caterpillar. I was making more money in a warehouse setting, than driving. Seems some local companies are paying local drivers cents per mile and some money for the load. I get a kick every time I see them ads, "Make $80k your first year"
Not only is at an issue finding qualified and trained drivers, Retention is the major issue. My dad used to drive truck for our company, as a delivery guy. Made 80k a year. Moved on to crude oil and makes 110k a year. That is not the norm. The guy we replaced him with makes 32k a year. A lot of over the road jobs pay 44k roughly. That's not much to live to on the road. |
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Posted: 4/27/2016 12:19:49 PM EST
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Yep, I drove for a couple years recently when my position was eliminated at Caterpillar. I was making more money in a warehouse setting, than driving. Seems some local companies are paying local drivers cents per mile and some money for the load. I get a kick every time I see them ads, "Make $80k your first year"
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Been reading a few articles about the need for and lack of pro truck drivers. Why is this? Low pay? Horrible long hours? Too difficult to get into? I was a truck driver..... Most "good" Truck jobs are paying the same wages from 20 years ago. The rest are paying even less. Im not working 70 hours a week for 50k a year. Yep, I drove for a couple years recently when my position was eliminated at Caterpillar. I was making more money in a warehouse setting, than driving. Seems some local companies are paying local drivers cents per mile and some money for the load. I get a kick every time I see them ads, "Make $80k your first year"
Not only is at an issue finding qualified and trained drivers, Retention is the major issue. This man feels my pain. Im starting at the Ford plant on may 2nd, and it will be glorious. 50 hours a week, home every day, and true time and a half. Not the Chinese overtime bullshit my last company pulled. I know its not a popular statement around here but the lack of qualified drivers is not because "government regulation" it is a direct result of the companies cheaping out on us while increasing the company profit as much as possible, and not throwing us a bone for making them that money. |
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Posted: 4/27/2016 12:20:04 PM EST
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My dad used to drive truck for our company, as a delivery guy. Made 80k a year. Moved on to crude oil and makes 110k a year. That is not the norm. The guy we replaced him with makes 32k a year. A lot of over the road jobs pay 44k roughly. That's not much to live to on the road. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Been reading a few articles about the need for and lack of pro truck drivers. Why is this? Low pay? Horrible long hours? Too difficult to get into? I was a truck driver..... Most "good" Truck jobs are paying the same wages from 20 years ago. The rest are paying even less. Im not working 70 hours a week for 50k a year. Yep, I drove for a couple years recently when my position was eliminated at Caterpillar. I was making more money in a warehouse setting, than driving. Seems some local companies are paying local drivers cents per mile and some money for the load. I get a kick every time I see them ads, "Make $80k your first year"
Not only is at an issue finding qualified and trained drivers, Retention is the major issue. My dad used to drive truck for our company, as a delivery guy. Made 80k a year. Moved on to crude oil and makes 110k a year. That is not the norm. The guy we replaced him with makes 32k a year. A lot of over the road jobs pay 44k roughly. That's not much to live to on the road. To put it in perspective, my guys start out making about $60k a year + full benefits and 401k and yearly raises, and paid vacation/sick time. Guys that have been with us for 5-10 years will probably make about 80k-90k. For AO of Youngstown, OH that's not bad money at all. |
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Posted: 4/27/2016 12:20:16 PM EST
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My dad used to drive truck for our company, as a delivery guy. Made 80k a year. Moved on to crude oil and makes 110k a year. That is not the norm. The guy we replaced him with makes 32k a year. A lot of over the road jobs pay 44k roughly. That's not much to live to on the road. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Been reading a few articles about the need for and lack of pro truck drivers. Why is this? Low pay? Horrible long hours? Too difficult to get into? I was a truck driver..... Most "good" Truck jobs are paying the same wages from 20 years ago. The rest are paying even less. Im not working 70 hours a week for 50k a year. Yep, I drove for a couple years recently when my position was eliminated at Caterpillar. I was making more money in a warehouse setting, than driving. Seems some local companies are paying local drivers cents per mile and some money for the load. I get a kick every time I see them ads, "Make $80k your first year"
Not only is at an issue finding qualified and trained drivers, Retention is the major issue. My dad used to drive truck for our company, as a delivery guy. Made 80k a year. Moved on to crude oil and makes 110k a year. That is not the norm. The guy we replaced him with makes 32k a year. A lot of over the road jobs pay 44k roughly. That's not much to live to on the road. Yeah if the job pays hourly it's good. But most of that is all local work. Add that mix into dealing with local traffic and idiot drivers, You're gonna be stressed out. I wouldn't mind going to the oil fields to make some cash, But it seems that industry is a tad slow. |
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Posted: 4/27/2016 12:21:03 PM EST
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So far, google's experience with automated cars is that the accidents are caused by the driverless vehicle actually following traffic laws. It's going to be pretty hard to win those lawsuits - yah I know people will still try, but after losing 100% of them, they'll give up. Well, unless they change the law because feels. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Dead end career. 18-wheelers will be automated in 10-15 years. http://cdn1.sciencefiction.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/03/Terminator-Genisys-Terminator-1024x681.jpg Maybe, perhaps, if MIRACULOUS changes happen in distribution networks, you might see point-to-point automation - but you'll NEVER see driverless big-rigs navigating 100% of the routes out there now, our infrastructure, guidance technology, and the all-too-frail human dispatching issues make it impossible. I'd bet my life's savings that in 20 years, not even 10% of the trucking industry is fully automated. So far, google's experience with automated cars is that the accidents are caused by the driverless vehicle actually following traffic laws. It's going to be pretty hard to win those lawsuits - yah I know people will still try, but after losing 100% of them, they'll give up. Well, unless they change the law because feels. Right now Freightliner is experimenting with platooning, 3 trucks in an automated formation with drivers monitoring each truck. Problem with that is the, "wall of truck" which would make merging onto the highway a white knuckle affair. Sounds like the FMCSA is looking at speed limiters now, and that means it will most likely happen within the next couple of years. |
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Posted: 4/27/2016 12:21:53 PM EST
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Are you aware that there are people in this world that have a severe medical condition which causes them to be that way? My mother for instance is one of those people. She is a truck driver that has bad knees and a bad back from driving the truck but you probably do not care about that case either. Oh well I am not one of those people. I am 6'4" 245lbs and I exercise every day. I would love to see you say something like that to my mother in front of me. Probably never happen though you are probably just an internet tough guy. I doubt very seriously you would say that to someones face. Just my thought. What do you think? Oh I am sorry you probably do not have a brain. I on the other hand will be happy to buy you a plane ticket to come here and see if you have the nerve to say that to someone I know. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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'cause their Mom's have bad knees. Are you aware that there are people in this world that have a severe medical condition which causes them to be that way? My mother for instance is one of those people. She is a truck driver that has bad knees and a bad back from driving the truck but you probably do not care about that case either. Oh well I am not one of those people. I am 6'4" 245lbs and I exercise every day. I would love to see you say something like that to my mother in front of me. Probably never happen though you are probably just an internet tough guy. I doubt very seriously you would say that to someones face. Just my thought. What do you think? Oh I am sorry you probably do not have a brain. I on the other hand will be happy to buy you a plane ticket to come here and see if you have the nerve to say that to someone I know. What the hell just happened |
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Posted: 4/27/2016 12:22:43 PM EST
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Can DriverBot v.1.2 build a set of doubles or even triples? I sure would like to see that happen...
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Posted: 4/27/2016 12:23:07 PM EST
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There are a lot of more local trucking companies looking for drivers for intermodal runs. Home every night.
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Posted: 4/27/2016 12:24:18 PM EST
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Is there even a shortage? The miserable pay and long hours (of OTR) suggest a surplus, more than anything else.
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Posted: 4/27/2016 12:25:50 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Less significant though still an issue is consistently passing the drug screening. I'd agree that this is a factor, and more of a factor in states where marijuana is now legal for recreational use - WA, OR, CO. I know it's hard to find drivers in my AO. If you have a CDL-A you can make $1K/week starting tomorrow and be home most nights. The job pays reasonably well. $50K/year just about anywhere in the country, more if you're rated for HAZMAT, doubles, etc. It's just brutal. It's not like driving a car every day all day. Then you have the hours, many jobs require a lot of nights away from home and some require more time away from home than not. That kind of thing would be rough on a marriage, not to mention how difficult it could be if you have a kids to go with the wife. |
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Posted: 4/27/2016 12:26:59 PM EST
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Been reading a few articles about the need for and lack of pro truck drivers. Why is this? Low pay? Horrible long hours? Too difficult to get into? Yes. |
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Posted: 4/27/2016 12:27:07 PM EST
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they only hire idiots that camp the left lane going uphill and takes 10 miles to pass another on the right side  This....Grrrrrrr 
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Posted: 4/27/2016 12:30:05 PM EST
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Is there even a shortage? The miserable pay and long hours (of OTR) suggest a surplus, more than anything else. I know the company I work for has a hard time finding GOOD drivers. We haul hazmat tankers so their standards are a little higher than most trucking companies. I haul gas locally to the stations or jet fuel to airports. I'm home every night and make pretty good money. I'll never do anything else in the trucking industry. You have to be crazy, dumb or both to drive OTR. Most of the drivers for the big carriers are working for slave wages when you count all of the time away from home and all of the hours worked for no pay at all. |
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Posted: 4/27/2016 12:39:00 PM EST
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WTF is the deal with sleep apnea? Millions suffer from it. I'm on a CPAP myself. You can't drive if you have apnea? Driver fatigue, same reason for all the hours of service regulations. Not sleeping well, you're not alert during the day. |
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Posted: 4/27/2016 12:40:57 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Long hours , low pay , heavy levels of government harassment on a local and federal level . The only real money in trucking is to do specialty work haul odd loads etc. All the truck drivers I know personally make good money. New drivers are the lowest paid. Very good friend of mine has a dedicated haul he drives every night 5 days a week and pulls over 50K a year with good benefits. A first cousin of mine retired from the air force and started driving truck. He makes good money ..even more than the other guy but he does long hauls and is gone two weeks at a time. Still he says he sees his family more than when he was working on A10's. |
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Posted: 4/27/2016 12:43:56 PM EST
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Can DriverBot v.1.2 build a set of doubles or even triples? I sure would like to see that happen... Given the small amount of space that DriverBot v.1.2 requires most companies find they can fit more cargo in a single trailer with Freightliner's new completely under trailer® driverless trucks than double and triple configurations. That being said DriverBot v.1.3 is currently being tested in Australia with quattuordecuples configurations. |
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Posted: 4/27/2016 12:45:28 PM EST
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This man feels my pain. Im starting at the Ford plant on may 2nd, and it will be glorious. 50 hours a week, home every day, and true time and a half. Not the Chinese overtime bullshit my last company pulled. I know its not a popular statement around here but the lack of qualified drivers is not because "government regulation" it is a direct result of the companies cheaping out on us while increasing the company profit as much as possible, and not throwing us a bone for making them that money. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Been reading a few articles about the need for and lack of pro truck drivers. Why is this? Low pay? Horrible long hours? Too difficult to get into? I was a truck driver..... Most "good" Truck jobs are paying the same wages from 20 years ago. The rest are paying even less. Im not working 70 hours a week for 50k a year. Yep, I drove for a couple years recently when my position was eliminated at Caterpillar. I was making more money in a warehouse setting, than driving. Seems some local companies are paying local drivers cents per mile and some money for the load. I get a kick every time I see them ads, "Make $80k your first year"
Not only is at an issue finding qualified and trained drivers, Retention is the major issue. This man feels my pain. Im starting at the Ford plant on may 2nd, and it will be glorious. 50 hours a week, home every day, and true time and a half. Not the Chinese overtime bullshit my last company pulled. I know its not a popular statement around here but the lack of qualified drivers is not because "government regulation" it is a direct result of the companies cheaping out on us while increasing the company profit as much as possible, and not throwing us a bone for making them that money. You hit the nail on the head with the "cheaping" out statement. It's a very sad reality people do not know when they get involved. |
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