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Link Posted: 1/28/2019 9:05:13 PM EST
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Intersting. Any pressure signs? Or do you reduce the loads a bit?
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Many 9mm's actually have .358" barrels.  When the big light hits the bullet in the ass it will bump up or obturate. The 30kpsi is enough.  A thousandth or two doesn't matter so much in a short range rifle like this.  I wouldn't be happy with a it in a bench rest rifle or long range target rifle, but here it will be fine.
I think it was a thread I read on here about a lot of Sig guys shooting .357 bullets after slugging their barrels.
I shoot .357 bullets in my M&P 9mm
Intersting. Any pressure signs? Or do you reduce the loads a bit?
I load them just like if they were 9mm bullets.

It's the 158 gr Berry's plated RN.
Link Posted: 1/28/2019 9:05:13 PM EST
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Does it have knock down power?
Link Posted: 1/28/2019 9:06:14 PM EST
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9mm is .355 but I hear your point.
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A 0.001 inch difference in size will have almost no discernible effect on pressure. A change between two bullets of equal weight but different bearing surface will impact pressure more than a small diameter difference.
9mm is .355 but I hear your point.
Ideally...
IIRC, my M&P is closer to .3558.

Pin gauges and some Cerrosafe will illuminate things beyond what many people might want to know about their barrels.
Link Posted: 1/28/2019 9:08:05 PM EST
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But i want to shoot it supersonic too,  with a can...
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The 350 Legend should significantly outperform the terminal ballistics of .300blk, especially at subsonic velocities, and depending upon the pressures involved, there's a good chance that it will work with 9mm and .45 cans.
But i want to shoot it supersonic too,  with a can...
I've been playing with QuickLoad, using 357 Maximum as a base, and tweaking to match the info that's out on 350 Legend.

IF my numbers are remotely correct (big IF)

Subsonic 350 Legend loads will have significantly less muzzle pressure from any barrel length than a 9mm 147gr +P load from a 4" barrel. Any 9mm can should be able to handle subsonic 350 Legend (from a pressure standpoint, no guarantee on erosion)

Heavy (200gr) fast (2,000fps) supersonic 350 Legend loads from a 16" barrel matches the muzzle pressure 147gr 9mm +P from a 4" barrel.

That same 200gr 350 Legend load from an 11.5" barrel has 50% more muzzle pressure than the 4" 9mm load.

Based on that, I bet it's likely you'll find many existing 9mm cans rated for subsonic 350 Legends from any length barrel, and a fairly long (16") minimum barrel length for supersonic loads. Depending on how overdesigned the can is, they may certify it for supersonic loads in shorter barrels.
Link Posted: 1/28/2019 9:12:20 PM EST
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Many 9mm's actually have .358" barrels.  When the big light hits the bullet in the ass it will bump up or obturate. The 30kpsi is enough.  A thousandth or two doesn't matter so much in a short range rifle like this.  I wouldn't be happy with a it in a bench rest rifle or long range target rifle, but here it will be fine.
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Just playing around in QuickLoad with this, using 357 Maximum with updated case length, COAL, and making an assumption on H20 case capacity based on 357AR (357 Max Rimless) on the Mad Dog forums, here's what I come up with:

1.710" case length
2.230" COAL
34.5gr H20 fired case capacity
200gr .358 Hornady FTX bullet
55ksi maximum pressure
A max charge of 20.6gr of Winchester 296 powder (Insert standard disclaimer - this is a theoretical load in modeling software for illustration purposes only - do not attempt this at home - reload at your own risk - consult published OEM data for actual loads - start at the starting charge and work your way up)

Results with some common AR barrel lengths:

Barrel Length / FPS
20" / 2,005
16" / 1,938
14.7" / 1,911
12.5" / 1,856
11.5" / 1,827
10.3" / 1,786
8.5" / 1,711
7.5" / 1,658

That's only 150fps drop from 20" down to 12.5" and 350fps drop from a 20" barrel all the way down to 7.5", with a fairly long 200 grain bullet.

Right now - there isn't much in the way of .35cal 200+ grain bullets that will reliably expand at any range in this velocity window. Until someone comes up with something designed with a lower minimum expansion velocity, the 150-180 grain bullets will be your best bet. Which is probably exactly why the Winchester factory loads for launch are in that window, except for the subsonic load.

But, imagine if Nosler was to come out with an 200+ grain Accubond Long Range .35 caliber bullet that expanded down to 1,300fps like they offer in other calibers. We'll be hunting with heavy-for-caliber bullets out to 200 yards with 7.5" barrels and getting reliable expansion!

Right now - best heavy hunting handload in Quickload I can come up with is the Hawk 200gr flat point with a .025" jacket. Not sure what the expansion threshold is on that bullet, but it's the thinnest jacket Hawk offers so should offer more room on the low-end. Taking a wild-ass guess at seating depth and using an 10.3" barrel, it's still pushing almost 1,850fps at the muzzle.

I think I'm gonna have to build one of these!

Edit - A load with the Hawk 180gr Flat Point with .025" jacket could be pushing just shy of 2,000fps from an 11.5" barrel. That may be a better sweet spot hunting load.
It uses .357 bullets not 358. As in pistol bullets. What’s I look forward to is the development of higher BC .357 bullets
I bet it shoots .358 bullets just fine.
Several people have been using .358 rifle bullets in the .357AR and loading accordingly. Back the load off and work up to what's good. Same idea will work well here.
Many 9mm's actually have .358" barrels.  When the big light hits the bullet in the ass it will bump up or obturate. The 30kpsi is enough.  A thousandth or two doesn't matter so much in a short range rifle like this.  I wouldn't be happy with a it in a bench rest rifle or long range target rifle, but here it will be fine.
Local store has some 200 grain Hornady .358's on clearance I've been eying for the project. Low demand caliber for the area, I keep hoping they'll drop them a bit lower.

If I didn't already have 250 pieces of Starline cut to .357AR length I'd have my chamber reamed for this. Something to be said about available, ready-made ammo.

ETA-and I wasn't looking for single ragged hole groups from this anyway, just small enough groups to kill a deer at 150 or less. Should work just fine.
Link Posted: 1/28/2019 9:16:51 PM EST
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This will give me a great launching pad for the giant bag of .35 cal 150gr Pointed Corlokts I've had stashed away.
Link Posted: 1/28/2019 9:26:07 PM EST
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So glad I didn't jump on the .300 blk band wagon.
Link Posted: 1/29/2019 8:47:30 PM EST
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same, for super short AR pistols this looks far better. If you are limited by velocity or barrel length I'd rather have lower pressure and a heavier slug.
Link Posted: 1/29/2019 9:11:01 PM EST
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same, for super short AR pistols this looks far better. If you are limited by velocity or barrel length I'd rather have lower pressure and a heavier slug.
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So glad I didn't jump on the .300 blk band wagon.
same, for super short AR pistols this looks far better. If you are limited by velocity or barrel length I'd rather have lower pressure and a heavier slug.
Yes. .556 and .223wylde is all I've bought in this platform. That will change with this one.
Link Posted: 1/29/2019 9:36:01 PM EST
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In the tech forum thread it's reported that .355 bore is specified for this cartridge. That seems like a bad choice.
Link Posted: 1/29/2019 10:47:58 PM EST
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Yeah, SAAMI website is showing .355 groove / .346 bore

https://saami.org/wp-content/uploads/2019/01/350-Legend-Public-Introduction.pdf

I can't fathom that.....

EDIT - further digging into the SAAMI specs looks like it calls for a .357 bullet, but a .355 groove / 346 bore?  

Anyone with any more technical chops than me care to explain the "unless otherwise noted all diameter +.002"? Is that just a positive-only tolerance or does it mean the groove diameter is .355 + .002, or .357?
Link Posted: 1/30/2019 8:35:38 AM EST
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Counterpoint:

The 350 Legend should significantly outperform the terminal ballistics of .300blk, especially at subsonic velocities, and depending upon the pressures involved, there's a good chance that it will work with 9mm and .45 cans.
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Will be trying one of these.

Two main challenges to it killing 300blk: magazines and 30 cal cans.
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The 350 Legend should significantly outperform the terminal ballistics of .300blk, especially at subsonic velocities, and depending upon the pressures involved, there's a good chance that it will work with 9mm and .45 cans.
That's not really a counterpoint to the fact that magazines won't be nearly as easy as mags for 300blk, and 350L won't work with almost all 30 cal cans.

I agree it should outperform 300blk, especially subsonic.  But people with only a 30cal can won't flock to this, and expensive mags will stunt growth big time.
Link Posted: 1/30/2019 8:49:46 AM EST
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That's not really a counterpoint to the fact that magazines won't be nearly as easy as mags for 300blk, and 350L won't work with almost all 30 cal cans.

I agree it should outperform 300blk, especially subsonic.  But people with only a 30cal can won't flock to this, and expensive mags will stunt growth big time.
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Will be trying one of these.

Two main challenges to it killing 300blk: magazines and 30 cal cans.
Counterpoint:

The 350 Legend should significantly outperform the terminal ballistics of .300blk, especially at subsonic velocities, and depending upon the pressures involved, there's a good chance that it will work with 9mm and .45 cans.
That's not really a counterpoint to the fact that magazines won't be nearly as easy as mags for 300blk, and 350L won't work with almost all 30 cal cans.

I agree it should outperform 300blk, especially subsonic.  But people with only a 30cal can won't flock to this, and expensive mags will stunt growth big time.
The mag modification looks easy and cans were pretty well addressed 4th post on this page. I think this cartridge has far more going for it than the 300.
Link Posted: 1/30/2019 9:50:30 AM EST
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Yeah, SAAMI website is showing .355 groove / .346 bore

https://saami.org/wp-content/uploads/2019/01/350-Legend-Public-Introduction.pdf

I can't fathom that.....

EDIT - further digging into the SAAMI specs looks like it calls for a .357 bullet, but a .355 groove / 346 bore?


Anyone with any more technical chops than me care to explain the "unless otherwise noted all diameter +.002"? Is that just a positive-only tolerance or does it mean the groove diameter is .355 + .002, or .357?
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In the tech forum thread it's reported that .355 bore is specified for this cartridge. That seems like a bad choice.
Yeah, SAAMI website is showing .355 groove / .346 bore

https://saami.org/wp-content/uploads/2019/01/350-Legend-Public-Introduction.pdf

I can't fathom that.....

EDIT - further digging into the SAAMI specs looks like it calls for a .357 bullet, but a .355 groove / 346 bore?


Anyone with any more technical chops than me care to explain the "unless otherwise noted all diameter +.002"? Is that just a positive-only tolerance or does it mean the groove diameter is .355 + .002, or .357?
A few thousandths over size bullets have very little effect on pressures. Read up on the experiments Hatcher and Ackley did shooting grossly oversized bullets, it's eye opening.
Link Posted: 1/30/2019 10:08:15 AM EST
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The mag modification looks easy and cans were pretty well addressed 4th post on this page. I think this cartridge has far more going for it than the 300.
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Will be trying one of these.

Two main challenges to it killing 300blk: magazines and 30 cal cans.
Counterpoint:

The 350 Legend should significantly outperform the terminal ballistics of .300blk, especially at subsonic velocities, and depending upon the pressures involved, there's a good chance that it will work with 9mm and .45 cans.
That's not really a counterpoint to the fact that magazines won't be nearly as easy as mags for 300blk, and 350L won't work with almost all 30 cal cans.

I agree it should outperform 300blk, especially subsonic.  But people with only a 30cal can won't flock to this, and expensive mags will stunt growth big time.
The mag modification looks easy and cans were pretty well addressed 4th post on this page. I think this cartridge has far more going for it than the 300.
I agree.  This looks WAY better than 300blk to me.

But it's not going to overtake 300blk until mags are prolific and comparably priced.  And even then it would be a challenge with all the 30 cal cans in circulation.

For people with no suppressor and no 300blk, this is probably going to be much more appealing.  For people who already have a 300blk and a 30 cal can, I don't see many of them switching.

That said, I can't fucking wait to test this.  Especially subsonic with a can.
Link Posted: 1/30/2019 10:22:06 AM EST
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I hope Winchester sells the bullets as components.  It will give me few more options for my 9x57 mauser (.356 bore) .358 win and .35 rem.
Link Posted: 1/30/2019 10:24:49 AM EST
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I agree.  This looks WAY better than 300blk to me.

But it's not going to overtake 300blk until mags are prolific and comparably priced.  And even then it would be a challenge with all the 30 cal cans in circulation.

For people with no suppressor and no 300blk, this is probably going to be much more appealing.  For people who already have a 300blk and a 30 cal can, I don't see many of them switching.

That said, I can't fucking wait to test this.  Especially subsonic with a can.  
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Will be trying one of these.

Two main challenges to it killing 300blk: magazines and 30 cal cans.
Counterpoint:

The 350 Legend should significantly outperform the terminal ballistics of .300blk, especially at subsonic velocities, and depending upon the pressures involved, there's a good chance that it will work with 9mm and .45 cans.
That's not really a counterpoint to the fact that magazines won't be nearly as easy as mags for 300blk, and 350L won't work with almost all 30 cal cans.

I agree it should outperform 300blk, especially subsonic.  But people with only a 30cal can won't flock to this, and expensive mags will stunt growth big time.
The mag modification looks easy and cans were pretty well addressed 4th post on this page. I think this cartridge has far more going for it than the 300.
I agree.  This looks WAY better than 300blk to me.

But it's not going to overtake 300blk until mags are prolific and comparably priced.  And even then it would be a challenge with all the 30 cal cans in circulation.

For people with no suppressor and no 300blk, this is probably going to be much more appealing.  For people who already have a 300blk and a 30 cal can, I don't see many of them switching.

That said, I can't fucking wait to test this.  Especially subsonic with a can.  
Winchester got it right in appealing to straight wall state hunters right out of the gate. This will be *the* deer cartridge for kids (and adults tired of big bore recoil) in those states.

As for the rest of the gun owning crowd, the .357 tag put on any new cartridge draws attention.

Add bolt and semi auto long gun chamberings into the mix? Boom.
Link Posted: 1/30/2019 11:54:33 AM EST
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A few thousandths over size bullets have very little effect on pressures. Read up on the experiments Hatcher and Ackley did shooting grossly oversized bullets, it's eye opening.
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In the tech forum thread it's reported that .355 bore is specified for this cartridge. That seems like a bad choice.
Yeah, SAAMI website is showing .355 groove / .346 bore

https://saami.org/wp-content/uploads/2019/01/350-Legend-Public-Introduction.pdf

I can't fathom that.....

EDIT - further digging into the SAAMI specs looks like it calls for a .357 bullet, but a .355 groove / 346 bore?


Anyone with any more technical chops than me care to explain the "unless otherwise noted all diameter +.002"? Is that just a positive-only tolerance or does it mean the groove diameter is .355 + .002, or .357?
A few thousandths over size bullets have very little effect on pressures. Read up on the experiments Hatcher and Ackley did shooting grossly oversized bullets, it's eye opening.
Good info!

In any case - I did some digging on a semi-comparable AR-based straight wall cartridge, 450 Bushmaster. Looks like bore vs groove diameter probably isn't as important as total bore + groove area.

450 Bushmaster has a SAAMI specification of a 0.4525" OD bullet (.1608 square inches), with a specified minimum bore + groove area of 0.157 square inches. That means the minimum barrel area is only 97.6% of the bullet area.

350 Legend SAAMI spec has a 0.357" OD bullet with a specified minimum bore + groove area of .0967 square inches, so the minimum barrel area is 96.6% of bullet area.

I guess that may just be how straight-wall cartridge are designed, as a bit of a squeeze bore.
Link Posted: 1/30/2019 12:09:00 PM EST
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That's not really a counterpoint to the fact that magazines won't be nearly as easy as mags for 300blk, and 350L won't work with almost all 30 cal cans.

I agree it should outperform 300blk, especially subsonic.  But people with only a 30cal can won't flock to this, and expensive mags will stunt growth big time.
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Will be trying one of these.

Two main challenges to it killing 300blk: magazines and 30 cal cans.
Counterpoint:

The 350 Legend should significantly outperform the terminal ballistics of .300blk, especially at subsonic velocities, and depending upon the pressures involved, there's a good chance that it will work with 9mm and .45 cans.
That's not really a counterpoint to the fact that magazines won't be nearly as easy as mags for 300blk, and 350L won't work with almost all 30 cal cans.

I agree it should outperform 300blk, especially subsonic.  But people with only a 30cal can won't flock to this, and expensive mags will stunt growth big time.
How many suppressor owners only have a .30 cal can? That seems like it would be an extremely  narrow sub set.

Most people I know either have zero suppressors or own a few including at least one 9 or 45 can.
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Good info!

In any case - I did some digging on a semi-comparable AR-based straight wall cartridge, 450 Bushmaster. Looks like bore vs groove diameter probably isn't as important as total bore + groove area.

450 Bushmaster has a SAAMI specification of a 0.4525" OD bullet (.1608 square inches), with a specified minimum bore + groove area of 0.157 square inches. That means the minimum barrel area is only 97.6% of the bullet area.

350 Legend SAAMI spec has a 0.357" OD bullet with a specified minimum bore + groove area of .0967 square inches, so the minimum barrel area is 96.6% of bullet area.

I guess that may just be how straight-wall cartridge are designed, as a bit of a squeeze bore.
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In the tech forum thread it's reported that .355 bore is specified for this cartridge. That seems like a bad choice.
Yeah, SAAMI website is showing .355 groove / .346 bore

https://saami.org/wp-content/uploads/2019/01/350-Legend-Public-Introduction.pdf

I can't fathom that.....

EDIT - further digging into the SAAMI specs looks like it calls for a .357 bullet, but a .355 groove / 346 bore?


Anyone with any more technical chops than me care to explain the "unless otherwise noted all diameter +.002"? Is that just a positive-only tolerance or does it mean the groove diameter is .355 + .002, or .357?
A few thousandths over size bullets have very little effect on pressures. Read up on the experiments Hatcher and Ackley did shooting grossly oversized bullets, it's eye opening.
Good info!

In any case - I did some digging on a semi-comparable AR-based straight wall cartridge, 450 Bushmaster. Looks like bore vs groove diameter probably isn't as important as total bore + groove area.

450 Bushmaster has a SAAMI specification of a 0.4525" OD bullet (.1608 square inches), with a specified minimum bore + groove area of 0.157 square inches. That means the minimum barrel area is only 97.6% of the bullet area.

350 Legend SAAMI spec has a 0.357" OD bullet with a specified minimum bore + groove area of .0967 square inches, so the minimum barrel area is 96.6% of bullet area.

I guess that may just be how straight-wall cartridge are designed, as a bit of a squeeze bore.
A bit over sizing bullets gives good results with lead & powder coated lead bullets as a bonus.
Link Posted: 1/30/2019 12:18:17 PM EST
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IIRC, my M&P is closer to .3558.

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A 0.001 inch difference in size will have almost no discernible effect on pressure. A change between two bullets of equal weight but different bearing surface will impact pressure more than a small diameter difference.
9mm is .355 but I hear your point.
Ideally...
IIRC, my M&P is closer to .3558.

Pin gauges and some Cerrosafe will illuminate things beyond what many people might want to know about their barrels.
This.

All my pistols slug at .3555 - .356. Except my Canik which slugs at .357. Since I cast my own bullets, I have to shoot .358 in that. It shoots them extremely well (2.5" at 25 yards with a rest). The others don't like .358 as well. So, I have two ammo cans of almost the same load.
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How many suppressor owners only have a .30 cal can? That seems like it would be an extremely  narrow sub set.

Most people I know either have zero suppressors or own a few including at least one 9 or 45 can.
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Will be trying one of these.

Two main challenges to it killing 300blk: magazines and 30 cal cans.
Counterpoint:

The 350 Legend should significantly outperform the terminal ballistics of .300blk, especially at subsonic velocities, and depending upon the pressures involved, there's a good chance that it will work with 9mm and .45 cans.
That's not really a counterpoint to the fact that magazines won't be nearly as easy as mags for 300blk, and 350L won't work with almost all 30 cal cans.

I agree it should outperform 300blk, especially subsonic.  But people with only a 30cal can won't flock to this, and expensive mags will stunt growth big time.
How many suppressor owners only have a .30 cal can? That seems like it would be an extremely  narrow sub set.

Most people I know either have zero suppressors or own a few including at least one 9 or 45 can.
My experience is the opposite.  Most people I know who have a can for their AR have a 30 cal can and that's it.
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A little oversized is less critical than a little undersized-especially with cast bullets.
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My experience is the opposite.  Most people I know who have a can for their AR have a 30 cal can and that's it.
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Will be trying one of these.

Two main challenges to it killing 300blk: magazines and 30 cal cans.
Counterpoint:

The 350 Legend should significantly outperform the terminal ballistics of .300blk, especially at subsonic velocities, and depending upon the pressures involved, there's a good chance that it will work with 9mm and .45 cans.
That's not really a counterpoint to the fact that magazines won't be nearly as easy as mags for 300blk, and 350L won't work with almost all 30 cal cans.

I agree it should outperform 300blk, especially subsonic.  But people with only a 30cal can won't flock to this, and expensive mags will stunt growth big time.
How many suppressor owners only have a .30 cal can? That seems like it would be an extremely  narrow sub set.

Most people I know either have zero suppressors or own a few including at least one 9 or 45 can.
My experience is the opposite.  Most people I know who have a can for their AR have a 30 cal can and that's it.
Nice qualifier you've got there.

Now, of the people you know who own suppressors, how many only own one in .30 cal? Of those, how many have no intentions of acquiring additional suppressors?
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Nice qualifier you've got there.

Now, of the people you know who own suppressors, how many only own one in .30 cal? Of those, how many have no intentions of acquiring additional suppressors?
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Will be trying one of these.

Two main challenges to it killing 300blk: magazines and 30 cal cans.
Counterpoint:

The 350 Legend should significantly outperform the terminal ballistics of .300blk, especially at subsonic velocities, and depending upon the pressures involved, there's a good chance that it will work with 9mm and .45 cans.
That's not really a counterpoint to the fact that magazines won't be nearly as easy as mags for 300blk, and 350L won't work with almost all 30 cal cans.

I agree it should outperform 300blk, especially subsonic.  But people with only a 30cal can won't flock to this, and expensive mags will stunt growth big time.
How many suppressor owners only have a .30 cal can? That seems like it would be an extremely  narrow sub set.

Most people I know either have zero suppressors or own a few including at least one 9 or 45 can.
My experience is the opposite.  Most people I know who have a can for their AR have a 30 cal can and that's it.
Nice qualifier you've got there.

Now, of the people you know who own suppressors, how many only own one in .30 cal? Of those, how many have no intentions of acquiring additional suppressors?
Of the people I know that own suppressors more than half of them own a single 30 cal can.
Link Posted: 1/30/2019 2:09:04 PM EST
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I was making my own version of this cartridge last year except with 9mm bullets and i found that 223AI brass worked better than 223Rem.

Life got busy so i never did anything with it. Glad they did should be a nice round!

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Link Posted: 1/30/2019 3:00:30 PM EST
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Nice qualifier you've got there.

Now, of the people you know who own suppressors, how many only own one in .30 cal? Of those, how many have no intentions of acquiring additional suppressors?
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Will be trying one of these.

Two main challenges to it killing 300blk: magazines and 30 cal cans.
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The 350 Legend should significantly outperform the terminal ballistics of .300blk, especially at subsonic velocities, and depending upon the pressures involved, there's a good chance that it will work with 9mm and .45 cans.
That's not really a counterpoint to the fact that magazines won't be nearly as easy as mags for 300blk, and 350L won't work with almost all 30 cal cans.

I agree it should outperform 300blk, especially subsonic.  But people with only a 30cal can won't flock to this, and expensive mags will stunt growth big time.
How many suppressor owners only have a .30 cal can? That seems like it would be an extremely  narrow sub set.

Most people I know either have zero suppressors or own a few including at least one 9 or 45 can.
My experience is the opposite.  Most people I know who have a can for their AR have a 30 cal can and that's it.
Nice qualifier you've got there.

Now, of the people you know who own suppressors, how many only own one in .30 cal? Of those, how many have no intentions of acquiring additional suppressors?
I don't own any yet but my plan is a .30cal can & a .22 can.

Maybe this round changes that, but probably not.
Link Posted: 1/30/2019 3:39:50 PM EST
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I was making my own version of this cartridge last year except with 9mm bullets and i found that 223AI brass worked better than 223Rem.

Life got busy so i never did anything with it. Glad they did should be a nice round!

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My search fu at the cast boolits forum must really suck because I can't find my thread from like at least 5 years ago that says cut a .223 off at the shoulder and stuff it with a 9mn bullet/boolit.

Here is the thread I started last October on the 9X39:

http://castboolits.gunloads.com/showthread.php?370126-A-YouTube-video-for-those-interested-in-the-9X39-coming-to-the-US&highlight=9X39

The replies I got suggested the 9X39 should be stuffed with .35 cal bullets instead.

For you folks who hate trimming, get a case feeder equipped Dillon 650 with a Dillon toolhead mounted trimmer...a small shop vac...and ear muffs and ear buds....and start-!-cranking.

Link Posted: 1/30/2019 3:42:03 PM EST
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Ok, stupid question but will regular .357 bullets work in the new chambering or not? It does not seem like it going by the sammi specs?
Link Posted: 1/30/2019 4:33:46 PM EST
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My search fu at the cast boolits forum must really suck because I can't find my thread from like at least 5 years ago that says cut a .223 off at the shoulder and stuff it with a 9mn bullet/boolit.

Here is the thread I started last October on the 9X39:

http://castboolits.gunloads.com/showthread.php?370126-A-YouTube-video-for-those-interested-in-the-9X39-coming-to-the-US&highlight=9X39

The replies I got suggested the 9X39 should be stuffed with .35 cal bullets instead.

For you folks who hate trimming, get a case feeder equipped Dillon 650 with a Dillon toolhead mounted trimmer...a small shop vac...and ear muffs and ear buds....and start-!-cranking.

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We tried to get brass from winchester at shot show but they wouldn't give it up. I want to get started on this caliber!
Link Posted: 1/30/2019 4:35:05 PM EST
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I don't own any yet but my plan is a .30cal can & a .22 can.

Maybe this round changes that, but probably not.
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Will be trying one of these.

Two main challenges to it killing 300blk: magazines and 30 cal cans.
Counterpoint:

The 350 Legend should significantly outperform the terminal ballistics of .300blk, especially at subsonic velocities, and depending upon the pressures involved, there's a good chance that it will work with 9mm and .45 cans.
That's not really a counterpoint to the fact that magazines won't be nearly as easy as mags for 300blk, and 350L won't work with almost all 30 cal cans.

I agree it should outperform 300blk, especially subsonic.  But people with only a 30cal can won't flock to this, and expensive mags will stunt growth big time.
How many suppressor owners only have a .30 cal can? That seems like it would be an extremely  narrow sub set.

Most people I know either have zero suppressors or own a few including at least one 9 or 45 can.
My experience is the opposite.  Most people I know who have a can for their AR have a 30 cal can and that's it.
Nice qualifier you've got there.

Now, of the people you know who own suppressors, how many only own one in .30 cal? Of those, how many have no intentions of acquiring additional suppressors?
I don't own any yet but my plan is a .30cal can & a .22 can.

Maybe this round changes that, but probably not.
Pretty much my plan too:

Dedicated .22 can, then .45 for pistols and .30 cal for rifles.
Link Posted: 1/30/2019 4:38:05 PM EST
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Anyone else think this 350 Legend round would be a hit in the Henry Long Ranger?

With a threaded barrel?

I’d buy one.
Link Posted: 1/30/2019 7:23:56 PM EST
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Suppressors tend to be addictive.  The most common first 3 are 9mm, .22, and 308.  The beauty of 9mm is that it will work with pretty much any subs smaller than 9mm.  9mm cans are generally user serviceable, so can be cleaned after shooting dirty ammo and cast bullets.  308 cans are designed for higher pressure, but are more often than not sealed.  As such they need jacketed bullets.
Link Posted: 1/30/2019 7:24:44 PM EST
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I’d buy one.
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I don't necessarily want a threaded barrel but that would be an awesome chambering in that gun. Same with the BLR.
Link Posted: 1/30/2019 7:44:15 PM EST
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I don't necessarily want a threaded barrel but that would be an awesome chambering in that gun. Same with the BLR.
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Anyone else think this 350 Legend round would be a hit in the Henry Long Ranger?

With a threaded barrel?

I’d buy one.
I don't necessarily want a threaded barrel but that would be an awesome chambering in that gun. Same with the BLR.
Once you are outside the confines of a AR why not just go with one of the much more established rounds like 358 Winchester etc?
Link Posted: 1/30/2019 7:55:12 PM EST
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Those fit in ARs.
Link Posted: 1/30/2019 7:57:09 PM EST
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I see a new upper build in my future.
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Link Posted: 1/30/2019 8:20:04 PM EST
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Anyone else think this 350 Legend round would be a hit in the Henry Long Ranger?

With a threaded barrel?

I’d buy one.
I don't necessarily want a threaded barrel but that would be an awesome chambering in that gun. Same with the BLR.
Once you are outside the confines of a AR why not just go with one of the much more established rounds like 358 Winchester etc?
Ask Winchester, who is chambering the 350 in a bolt gun.
Link Posted: 1/30/2019 8:26:43 PM EST
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Link Posted: 1/30/2019 8:32:39 PM EST
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I'd like it in a mini Mauser.

CZ, are you listening

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That’s a great idea too.

Since Winchester’s target audience is hunters in states that quasi-allow rifle hunting ... speaking of which, do these states allow a semi auto rifle, ie hunting with an AR?
Link Posted: 1/30/2019 8:46:29 PM EST
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I'd like it in a mini Mauser.

CZ, are you listening

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yes please
Link Posted: 1/30/2019 9:00:04 PM EST
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I'd like it in a mini Mauser.

CZ, are you listening

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yes please
I want a modern one of these.



But until that happens... this has a lot of my attention.
Link Posted: 1/30/2019 10:53:24 PM EST
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Anyone else think this 350 Legend round would be a hit in the Henry Long Ranger?

With a threaded barrel?

I’d buy one.
I don't necessarily want a threaded barrel but that would be an awesome chambering in that gun. Same with the BLR.
Once you are outside the confines of a AR why not just go with one of the much more established rounds like 358 Winchester etc?
Because the .357L is a straight wall cartridge. That's a big part of what this is all about.
Link Posted: 1/30/2019 11:10:38 PM EST
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You know what I meant
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Ask Winchester, who is chambering the 350 in a bolt gun.
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Because the .357L is a straight wall cartridge. That's a big part of what this is all about.
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I get it but even in the case of a straight wall case there has to be a ton of options that are already available with similar or better performance right?
Link Posted: 1/30/2019 11:19:08 PM EST
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You know what I meant
I get it but even in the case of a straight wall case there has to be a ton of options that are already available with similar or better performance right?
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Those fit in ARs.
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Ask Winchester, who is chambering the 350 in a bolt gun.
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Because the .357L is a straight wall cartridge. That's a big part of what this is all about.
I get it but even in the case of a straight wall case there has to be a ton of options that are already available with similar or better performance right?
The big bore straight walls, but recoil can be an issue for kids and some adults.
Link Posted: 1/30/2019 11:20:15 PM EST
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In my group, I was the first to get into cans. When my friends got the bug, I told them to get a 22 can and a Hybrid, because down the road you’ll never know what you want to put it on. So far it’s proven good advice... plus it helped when Capital Armory had buy a Hybrid get a 22 can free...

Anyway, hopefully this catches on and gets more fudds using AR’s for hunting in the Midwest. We need as many pro AR people as possible.
Link Posted: 1/31/2019 9:10:54 AM EST
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The mag modification looks easy and cans were pretty well addressed 4th post on this page. I think this cartridge has far more going for it than the 300.
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But...............operators, operating operationally?
Link Posted: 1/31/2019 9:24:04 AM EST
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And reloading.

Headspacing off of the case mouth is going to create issues
Link Posted: 1/31/2019 9:31:56 AM EST
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I don't own any yet but my plan is a .30cal can & a .22 can.

Maybe this round changes that, but probably not.
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Will be trying one of these.

Two main challenges to it killing 300blk: magazines and 30 cal cans.
Counterpoint:

The 350 Legend should significantly outperform the terminal ballistics of .300blk, especially at subsonic velocities, and depending upon the pressures involved, there's a good chance that it will work with 9mm and .45 cans.
That's not really a counterpoint to the fact that magazines won't be nearly as easy as mags for 300blk, and 350L won't work with almost all 30 cal cans.

I agree it should outperform 300blk, especially subsonic.  But people with only a 30cal can won't flock to this, and expensive mags will stunt growth big time.
How many suppressor owners only have a .30 cal can? That seems like it would be an extremely  narrow sub set.

Most people I know either have zero suppressors or own a few including at least one 9 or 45 can.
My experience is the opposite.  Most people I know who have a can for their AR have a 30 cal can and that's it.
Nice qualifier you've got there.

Now, of the people you know who own suppressors, how many only own one in .30 cal? Of those, how many have no intentions of acquiring additional suppressors?
I don't own any yet but my plan is a .30cal can & a .22 can.

Maybe this round changes that, but probably not.
Same here.  .30 cal rifle can and .22 can

I’d like more, esp a pistol suppressor but the novelty of them has kind of worn off and given the cost/wait times now the juice isn’t worth the squeeze for me anymore.

I MIGHT try a form 1 pistol can at some point since the eform route seems pretty quick right now....
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