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Posted: 7/12/2021 9:37:40 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: 74-84 would be my vote for the worst 10 year stretch. The early 70s still had good stuff, and stuff was getting better in the late 80s. |
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Posted: 7/12/2021 9:41:02 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I agree that 1974 to 1984 was probably the low point for American auto makers. generally speaking, I think this is fairly accurate. |
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Posted: 7/12/2021 9:43:01 PM EDT
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75-85
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Posted: 7/12/2021 9:43:06 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: All of them Japanese > American 10, to 20 year old cars still running strong. Is that still the case or are Japanese and US cars almost identical in build quality now? I wanted to own a Chevy but ironically I'm considering getting a Honda instead. Family tradition at this point.  |
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Posted: 7/12/2021 9:47:48 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: So much truth to this... Take it a step further and look at the new 2022 Toyata HYBRID minivan...which is slower than the last years version by quite a bit. https://www.caranddriver.com/toyota/sienna Unlike previous versions of Toyota's family van, the 2022 Sienna is offered exclusively as a hybrid. The powertrain consists of a 2.5-liter gasoline-powered four-cylinder engine and a pair of electric motors that combine to make 243 horsepower. All-wheel drive is available and adds a third electric motor in back that drives the rear wheels. The Sienna's main rival—the Chrysler Pacifica Hybrid—is offered solely with front-wheel drive, but its V-6 engine and electric motors make 260 horsepower. Our all-wheel drive Sienna Platinum failed to excite us during acceleration testing, requiring 7.7 seconds to reach 60 mph and completing the quarter-mile in 15.8 seconds at only 88 mph; these results are similar to what the Pacifica Hybrid managed, but are far slower than non-hybrid examples of the Pacifica we've tested as well as the Honda Odyssey. https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/a34487335/2021-toyota-sienna-by-the-numbers/ Soccer mom Karen's hybrid minivan would smoke that 77 Trans Am. 60 mph: 7.7 sec 100 mph: 21.0 sec Rolling start, 5–60 mph: 8.7 sec Top gear, 30–50 mph: 4.4 sec Top gear, 50–70 mph: 5.6 sec 1/4 mile: 15.8 sec @ 88 mph Top speed (governor limited, mfr's claim): 116 mph Braking, 70–0 mph: 188 ft Roadholding, 300-ft-dia skidpad: 0.79 g Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: CAR & Driver specs. --------------------------------------- ARFCOM GD favorite 1977 Trans Am 60 mph: 9.3 sec 100 mph: 29.3 sec 1/4 mile: 16.9 sec @ 82 mph Top speed: 110 mph Braking, 70–0 mph: 213 ft ------------------------------------------------ Boring family car 2017 Toyota Camry Zero to 60 mph: 6.1 sec Zero to 100 mph: 15.0 sec Standing ¼-mile: 14.6 sec @ 98 mph Top speed (governor limited): 129 mph Braking, 70-0 mph: 189 ft https://hips.hearstapps.com/hmg-prod/amv-prod-cad-assets/wp-content/uploads/2015/04/1977-Pontiac-Firebird-Trans-Am-122.jpg?resize=768:* https://hips.hearstapps.com/hmg-prod/amv-prod-cad-assets/images/16q3/669461/2017-toyota-camry-xse-v-6-test-review-car-and-driver-photo-671269-s-original.jpg?fill=2:1&resize=768:* So much truth to this... Take it a step further and look at the new 2022 Toyata HYBRID minivan...which is slower than the last years version by quite a bit. https://www.caranddriver.com/toyota/sienna Unlike previous versions of Toyota's family van, the 2022 Sienna is offered exclusively as a hybrid. The powertrain consists of a 2.5-liter gasoline-powered four-cylinder engine and a pair of electric motors that combine to make 243 horsepower. All-wheel drive is available and adds a third electric motor in back that drives the rear wheels. The Sienna's main rival—the Chrysler Pacifica Hybrid—is offered solely with front-wheel drive, but its V-6 engine and electric motors make 260 horsepower. Our all-wheel drive Sienna Platinum failed to excite us during acceleration testing, requiring 7.7 seconds to reach 60 mph and completing the quarter-mile in 15.8 seconds at only 88 mph; these results are similar to what the Pacifica Hybrid managed, but are far slower than non-hybrid examples of the Pacifica we've tested as well as the Honda Odyssey. https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/a34487335/2021-toyota-sienna-by-the-numbers/ Soccer mom Karen's hybrid minivan would smoke that 77 Trans Am. 60 mph: 7.7 sec 100 mph: 21.0 sec Rolling start, 5–60 mph: 8.7 sec Top gear, 30–50 mph: 4.4 sec Top gear, 50–70 mph: 5.6 sec 1/4 mile: 15.8 sec @ 88 mph Top speed (governor limited, mfr's claim): 116 mph Braking, 70–0 mph: 188 ft Roadholding, 300-ft-dia skidpad: 0.79 g How exactly did we wind up going with the 77 Trans Am for this example? Oh, right, because picking the worst example of a thing you don't like makes it easier to criticize. Well what about the best example of that same generation of Trans Am?  Attached File Attached File Attached Filehttps://musclecars.howstuffworks.com/classic-muscle-cars/1970-pontiac-firebird-trans-am.htm Whoops, sorry, not a CAR & DRIVER link. Hang on.  Attached File Attached Filehttps://www.caranddriver.com/features/g15381162/fastest-cars-1970s/ |
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Posted: 7/12/2021 9:48:52 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Yeah. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: 74-84 would be my vote for the worst 10 year stretch. The early 70s still had good stuff, and stuff was getting better in the late 80s. Yeah. Agreed |
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Posted: 7/12/2021 10:20:54 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: 75-81 The EPA is to blame 100% Add in the bonus of the NHTSA and here we have even a cheap car is expensive This, right here. |
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Posted: 7/12/2021 10:24:26 PM EDT
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Posted: 7/12/2021 10:31:37 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: 75-81 The EPA is to blame 100% Add in the bonus of the NHTSA and here we have even a cheap car is expensive This, but 71-85 |
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Posted: 7/12/2021 10:34:08 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: How exactly did we wind up going with the 77 Trans Am for this example? Oh, right, because picking the worst example of a thing you don't like makes it easier to criticize. Well what about the best example of that same generation of Trans Am? https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/61196/eyJidWNrZXQiOiJjb250ZW50Lmhzd3N0YXRpYy5j-2011765.JPG https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/61196/20210712_213829_jpg-2011760.JPGhttps://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/61196/20210712_213855_jpg-2011761.JPG https://musclecars.howstuffworks.com/classic-muscle-cars/1970-pontiac-firebird-trans-am.htm Whoops, sorry, not a CAR & DRIVER link. Hang on. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/61196/20210712_215141_jpg-2011777.JPGhttps://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/61196/20210712_215046_jpg-2011778.JPG https://www.caranddriver.com/features/g15381162/fastest-cars-1970s/ But that is pretty much the ball park for many modern SEDANS. https://www.caranddriver.com/nissan/maxima - 2021 Nissan Maxima (V6) is does 0-60 in 5.7 seconds. You can click on the link and see a few other 2021's that were tested. Toyota Avalon was 6 seconds flat (V6) Chrysler 300 was 6.3 (V6) and 5.3 (V8) Dodge Charger with the R/T Scat Pack was 3.8 (V8) Honda Accord (2.0T) and CivicType R's are roughly 5.5/5.4 seconds respectively. https://www.motortrend.com/reviews/2021-honda-accord-sport-20t-first-test-review/ |
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Posted: 7/12/2021 10:36:02 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: 74-84 would be my vote for the worst 10 year stretch. The early 70s still had good stuff, and stuff was getting better in the late 80s. Yes. By the mid 80s the mustang with the “HO” 302 and the TPI small block in the f-bodies, and the GN… the performance was slowly coming back after a decade of embarrassment. Even innovations like the Chrysler, Ford, and GM 4 cyl turbo cars showed signs of life in Detroit. |
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Posted: 7/12/2021 10:37:10 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: How exactly did we wind up going with the 77 Trans Am for this example? Oh, right, because picking the worst example of a thing you don't like makes it easier to criticize. Well what about the best example of that same generation of Trans Am? https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/61196/eyJidWNrZXQiOiJjb250ZW50Lmhzd3N0YXRpYy5j-2011765.JPG https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/61196/20210712_213829_jpg-2011760.JPGhttps://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/61196/20210712_213855_jpg-2011761.JPG https://musclecars.howstuffworks.com/classic-muscle-cars/1970-pontiac-firebird-trans-am.htm Whoops, sorry, not a CAR & DRIVER link. Hang on. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/61196/20210712_215141_jpg-2011777.JPGhttps://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/61196/20210712_215046_jpg-2011778.JPG https://www.caranddriver.com/features/g15381162/fastest-cars-1970s/ |
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Posted: 7/12/2021 10:37:44 PM EDT
[#13]
Quote HistoryQuoted: 74-84 would be my vote for the worst 10 year stretch. The early 70s still had good stuff, and stuff was getting better in the late 80s. |
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Posted: 7/12/2021 10:44:45 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: There were a lot of good cars in 1970. Too many to vote 70s. |
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Posted: 7/12/2021 11:02:33 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: But that is pretty much the ball park for many modern SEDANS. https://www.caranddriver.com/nissan/maxima - 2021 Nissan Maxima (V6) is does 0-60 in 5.7 seconds. You can click on the link and see a few other 2021's that were tested. Toyota Avalon was 6 seconds flat (V6) Chrysler 300 was 6.3 (V6) and 5.3 (V8) Dodge Charger with the R/T Scat Pack was 3.8 (V8) Honda Accord (2.0T) and CivicType R's are roughly 5.5/5.4 seconds respectively. https://www.motortrend.com/reviews/2021-honda-accord-sport-20t-first-test-review/ Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: How exactly did we wind up going with the 77 Trans Am for this example? Oh, right, because picking the worst example of a thing you don't like makes it easier to criticize. Well what about the best example of that same generation of Trans Am? https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/61196/eyJidWNrZXQiOiJjb250ZW50Lmhzd3N0YXRpYy5j-2011765.JPG https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/61196/20210712_213829_jpg-2011760.JPGhttps://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/61196/20210712_213855_jpg-2011761.JPG https://musclecars.howstuffworks.com/classic-muscle-cars/1970-pontiac-firebird-trans-am.htm Whoops, sorry, not a CAR & DRIVER link. Hang on. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/61196/20210712_215141_jpg-2011777.JPGhttps://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/61196/20210712_215046_jpg-2011778.JPG https://www.caranddriver.com/features/g15381162/fastest-cars-1970s/ But that is pretty much the ball park for many modern SEDANS. https://www.caranddriver.com/nissan/maxima - 2021 Nissan Maxima (V6) is does 0-60 in 5.7 seconds. You can click on the link and see a few other 2021's that were tested. Toyota Avalon was 6 seconds flat (V6) Chrysler 300 was 6.3 (V6) and 5.3 (V8) Dodge Charger with the R/T Scat Pack was 3.8 (V8) Honda Accord (2.0T) and CivicType R's are roughly 5.5/5.4 seconds respectively. https://www.motortrend.com/reviews/2021-honda-accord-sport-20t-first-test-review/ As they should be, having benefitted from 50 years of technological improvements. On the other hand, it could be said that many of those cars, despite decades of advancement, perform only equal to or marginally better than a 50 year old relic with garbage tires and a trashcan-worthy engine management system. Oh and a wayyy limited transmission. I'm not really sure what conclusions I'm supposed to draw when GD gets into these obscure comparisons. I'm familiar with and not particularly impressed by the Maxima, the Civic or anything Toyota makes. But I'll gladly take an R/T Scat Pack with the 1320 package.  |
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Posted: 7/12/2021 11:04:29 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I voted 80's but only because you didn't differentiate late 70's from early 70's when there were still some cool cars. 1975-1985 is the real answer. Dog shit power, emissions up the ass, boxy designs. Nailed it. When I graduated High School in 1978, there was not a single new car I wanted. Nothing exciting happened in cars until the Buick Grand National , then the 1985 Corvette. |
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Posted: 7/13/2021 6:18:54 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: '74 Mustang 2. Biggest pos on the planet. A friend of mine had a '75 Mustang 2. It was the dark green notch back. It was pretty junky, but no more so than anything else back then. |
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Posted: 7/13/2021 6:26:05 AM EDT
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1973 to 1985.
With the exceptions of some American trucks and SUV's, everything American with 4 wheels was pretty much shit in that era. I dumped a brand new American car in 1984 after 3 months and bought a 1975 280z. It was 10 times the car even close to 10 year old at the time. [No cat converter as Datsun made emissions without one] |
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Posted: 7/13/2021 6:32:32 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Hmmm... early 1970's cars were still pretty kick ass Maybe I should have made the poll 1965-1975, 1975-1985, 1985-1995.... 1970 Z28 C&D specs Zero to 60 mph: 5.8 sec Zero to 100 mph: 14.2 sec Standing ¼-mile: 14.2 sec @ 100.3 mph Top speed (observed): 118 mph Braking, 80-0 mph: 228 ft https://www.hotrod.com/uploads/sites/21/2019/11/003-polly-1970-chevrolet-camaro-z28-front-three-quarter-driving.jpg My V6 F150 matches those numbers. Corners better too.  |
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Posted: 7/13/2021 6:34:39 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: 74-84 would be my vote for the worst 10 year stretch. The early 70s still had good stuff, and stuff was getting better in the late 80s. This right here. Early 70s was still good then it all went to shit for more than a decade. |
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Posted: 7/13/2021 6:39:51 AM EDT
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75 to 85 are easily the worst excluding Ford trucks and vans, they were still excellent for the time.
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Posted: 7/13/2021 6:44:47 AM EDT
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Mid 70s to mid 80s. But if I have to go with the decades listed, I’d go with 80s as the worst. Early 70s had some great cars and even the 77 trans am was cool as shit even though performance wasn’t great. I don’t like anything from the 80s.
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Posted: 7/13/2021 6:56:02 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: CAR & Driver specs. --------------------------------------- ARFCOM GD favorite 1977 Trans Am 60 mph: 9.3 sec 100 mph: 29.3 sec 1/4 mile: 16.9 sec @ 82 mph Top speed: 110 mph Braking, 700 mph: 213 ft ------------------------------------------------ Boring family car 2017 Toyota Camry Zero to 60 mph: 6.1 sec Zero to 100 mph: 15.0 sec Standing -mile: 14.6 sec @ 98 mph Top speed (governor limited): 129 mph Braking, 70-0 mph: 189 ft https://hips.hearstapps.com/hmg-prod/amv-prod-cad-assets/wp-content/uploads/2015/04/1977-Pontiac-Firebird-Trans-Am-122.jpg?resize=768:* https://hips.hearstapps.com/hmg-prod/amv-prod-cad-assets/images/16q3/669461/2017-toyota-camry-xse-v-6-test-review-car-and-driver-photo-671269-s-original.jpg?fill=2:1&resize=768:* |
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Posted: 7/13/2021 7:32:45 AM EDT
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Quoted: Seems to me like the 1970's Okay, I've got a soft spot for the '78 Sunbird, but I don't fool myself it was a good car. |
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Posted: 7/13/2021 7:44:16 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I think all the drugs the designers were doing in the late 60's caught up to car design in the early/mid 70's. '73 were the first of the real smoggers, the first of the safety bumpered hogs, and the beginning of a trend that actually had the Thunderbird swell to the size of a Lincoln. Camaro, too. Heavy, slow, undersprung, ugly. Mustang went the other way, and morphed into an econo-beater, with some nicish lines, but no real performance outside of spending more on aftermarket speed parts than the car cost new. Combined with the power the UAW had at the time, which made QC virtually impossible, and you had a recipe for disaster. I don't agree with the 1975 date. By '75, we were 2 full years into the suck. And things started getting better in '82, at least with the sporty cars. The oversized road whales started shrinking back down to manageable size. We started seeing fuel injection and decent suspensions, and they finally figured out how to make those godawful safety bumpers look like they actually belonged on the car. Okay, performance still wasn't up to snuff by today's standards, but an average guy could still fix his own shit without a computer degree. |
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Posted: 7/13/2021 7:46:21 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Eighties cars were pretty terrible. Anyone remember the Chrysler K Cars? The Cadillac Cimmaron? |
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Posted: 7/13/2021 7:47:25 AM EDT
[#27]
late 70's through late 80s, the era of the ugly square cars and trucks
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Posted: 7/13/2021 7:48:09 AM EDT
[#28]
Mid to late 70s.
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Posted: 7/13/2021 7:53:10 AM EDT
[#29]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I don't know, my '71 Plymouth was pretty bitchin. ETA: mid '70s to mid. '80s were mostly trash, the ones that I owned anyway. 71 was IMO the last year of the muscle car era. There were a few decent cars made until 74 or so but by 75 it was done. Things didn't start getting better again until the mid to late 80's when multipoint fuel injection came along. Personally I think we're heading into a new automotive dark age. Electrics are neat in some cases but the fun stuff is going to get over taken by crap like the Nissan Leaf and Chevy Volt as more states ban ICE and range becomes a bigger concern than rollercoaster like acceleration. |
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Posted: 7/13/2021 7:57:31 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Going with the 80's. I sold people new Ford Tempos and Chevy Celebrities... Thankfully I can't even remember the last time I saw either of those on the road. I think by now they've all been crushed and recycled into patio furniture and beer cans. Dad ended up with a Tempo as a loaner car for a few days while his Bronco was in the shop. My god that thing was a POS. Engine so weak you had to flip the AC off to better climb steep hills and those horrible automatic seatbelts. |
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Posted: 7/13/2021 7:58:47 AM EDT
[#31]
Quote HistoryQuoted: 74-84 would be my vote for the worst 10 year stretch. The early 70s still had good stuff, and stuff was getting better in the late 80s. This is the correct answer. |
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Posted: 7/13/2021 8:01:01 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: CAR & Driver specs. --------------------------------------- ARFCOM GD favorite 1977 Trans Am 60 mph: 9.3 sec 100 mph: 29.3 sec 1/4 mile: 16.9 sec @ 82 mph Top speed: 110 mph Braking, 700 mph: 213 ft ------------------------------------------------ Boring family car 2017 Toyota Camry Zero to 60 mph: 6.1 sec Zero to 100 mph: 15.0 sec Standing -mile: 14.6 sec @ 98 mph Top speed (governor limited): 129 mph Braking, 70-0 mph: 189 ft https://hips.hearstapps.com/hmg-prod/amv-prod-cad-assets/wp-content/uploads/2015/04/1977-Pontiac-Firebird-Trans-Am-122.jpg?resize=768:* https://hips.hearstapps.com/hmg-prod/amv-prod-cad-assets/images/16q3/669461/2017-toyota-camry-xse-v-6-test-review-car-and-driver-photo-671269-s-original.jpg?fill=2:1&resize=768:* Delete the smog garbage, slip in a hotter cam & a 650 or 750 carb and the Thunder Chicken could move in addition to looking bad ass. The Camry will always be a Camry. Boring transportation for people who don't care what they drive as long as it gets them to work and back. It's an appliance with tires, nothing more. |
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Posted: 7/13/2021 8:04:50 AM EDT
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Quoted: Seems to me like the 1970's Agreed. Corvettes looked like dog shit and we were given the gift of the AMC Pacer....  Attached File |
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Posted: 7/13/2021 8:07:22 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Going with the 80's. I sold people new Ford Tempos and Chevy Celebrities... I hope you found Religion and repented mightily for such terrible crimes ...
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Posted: 7/13/2021 8:08:50 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted 75-85 was pure garbage. |
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Posted: 7/13/2021 8:18:30 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Did anyone mention the 6000SUX? An American tradition. You mean the AMC Matador?  Attached File |
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Posted: 7/13/2021 8:23:31 AM EDT
[#38]
Quote HistoryQuoted: How exactly did we wind up going with the 77 Trans Am for this example? Oh, right, because picking the worst example of a thing you don't like makes it easier to criticize. Well what about the best example of that same generation of Trans Am? https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/61196/eyJidWNrZXQiOiJjb250ZW50Lmhzd3N0YXRpYy5j-2011765.JPG https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/61196/20210712_213829_jpg-2011760.JPGhttps://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/61196/20210712_213855_jpg-2011761.JPG https://musclecars.howstuffworks.com/classic-muscle-cars/1970-pontiac-firebird-trans-am.htm Whoops, sorry, not a CAR & DRIVER link. Hang on. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/61196/20210712_215141_jpg-2011777.JPGhttps://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/61196/20210712_215046_jpg-2011778.JPG https://www.caranddriver.com/features/g15381162/fastest-cars-1970s/ Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: CAR & Driver specs. --------------------------------------- ARFCOM GD favorite 1977 Trans Am 60 mph: 9.3 sec 100 mph: 29.3 sec 1/4 mile: 16.9 sec @ 82 mph Top speed: 110 mph Braking, 700 mph: 213 ft ------------------------------------------------ Boring family car 2017 Toyota Camry Zero to 60 mph: 6.1 sec Zero to 100 mph: 15.0 sec Standing -mile: 14.6 sec @ 98 mph Top speed (governor limited): 129 mph Braking, 70-0 mph: 189 ft https://hips.hearstapps.com/hmg-prod/amv-prod-cad-assets/wp-content/uploads/2015/04/1977-Pontiac-Firebird-Trans-Am-122.jpg?resize=768:* https://hips.hearstapps.com/hmg-prod/amv-prod-cad-assets/images/16q3/669461/2017-toyota-camry-xse-v-6-test-review-car-and-driver-photo-671269-s-original.jpg?fill=2:1&resize=768:* So much truth to this... Take it a step further and look at the new 2022 Toyata HYBRID minivan...which is slower than the last years version by quite a bit. https://www.caranddriver.com/toyota/sienna Unlike previous versions of Toyota's family van, the 2022 Sienna is offered exclusively as a hybrid. The powertrain consists of a 2.5-liter gasoline-powered four-cylinder engine and a pair of electric motors that combine to make 243 horsepower. All-wheel drive is available and adds a third electric motor in back that drives the rear wheels. The Sienna's main rivalthe Chrysler Pacifica Hybridis offered solely with front-wheel drive, but its V-6 engine and electric motors make 260 horsepower. Our all-wheel drive Sienna Platinum failed to excite us during acceleration testing, requiring 7.7 seconds to reach 60 mph and completing the quarter-mile in 15.8 seconds at only 88 mph; these results are similar to what the Pacifica Hybrid managed, but are far slower than non-hybrid examples of the Pacifica we've tested as well as the Honda Odyssey. https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/a34487335/2021-toyota-sienna-by-the-numbers/ Soccer mom Karen's hybrid minivan would smoke that 77 Trans Am. 60 mph: 7.7 sec 100 mph: 21.0 sec Rolling start, 560 mph: 8.7 sec Top gear, 3050 mph: 4.4 sec Top gear, 5070 mph: 5.6 sec 1/4 mile: 15.8 sec @ 88 mph Top speed (governor limited, mfr's claim): 116 mph Braking, 700 mph: 188 ft Roadholding, 300-ft-dia skidpad: 0.79 g How exactly did we wind up going with the 77 Trans Am for this example? Oh, right, because picking the worst example of a thing you don't like makes it easier to criticize. Well what about the best example of that same generation of Trans Am? https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/61196/eyJidWNrZXQiOiJjb250ZW50Lmhzd3N0YXRpYy5j-2011765.JPG https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/61196/20210712_213829_jpg-2011760.JPGhttps://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/61196/20210712_213855_jpg-2011761.JPG https://musclecars.howstuffworks.com/classic-muscle-cars/1970-pontiac-firebird-trans-am.htm Whoops, sorry, not a CAR & DRIVER link. Hang on. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/61196/20210712_215141_jpg-2011777.JPGhttps://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/61196/20210712_215046_jpg-2011778.JPG https://www.caranddriver.com/features/g15381162/fastest-cars-1970s/ '70 and '77 were different gens. |
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Posted: 7/13/2021 8:27:46 AM EDT
[#39]
Vote 100% for the Eighties. Just shitty disposable preplanned obsolete cars with EPA issues & complete lack of any "quality control" on the domestic side.
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Posted: 7/13/2021 8:39:56 AM EDT
[#40]
Going to say the 80's
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Posted: 7/13/2021 8:42:56 AM EDT
[#41]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Going with the 80's. I sold people new Ford Tempos and Chevy Celebrities... Gutless wonders lol. Owned a Tempo before so kid pulled out in front of me and a Celebrity was used in drevers Ed in high school. |
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Posted: 7/13/2021 8:46:39 AM EDT
[#42]
Quote HistoryQuoted: 74-84 would be my vote for the worst 10 year stretch. The early 70s still had good stuff, and stuff was getting better in the late 80s. this is the correct answer |
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Posted: 7/13/2021 8:55:43 AM EDT
[#43]
1975 Corvette
165 hp
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Posted: 7/13/2021 8:59:23 AM EDT
[#44]
Quote HistoryQuoted: With the exception of this car right here, the 80s were the worst decade for cars in the history of mankind https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/87265/9AC9815A-C8C0-42F8-A75E-56697329B8AD_jpe-2011431.JPG Laughs in GLHS:  Attached File |
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Posted: 7/13/2021 9:31:11 AM EDT
[#45]
mid to early 90s sucked ass
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Posted: 7/13/2021 9:34:20 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The Camry will always be a Camry. Boring transportation for people who don't care what they drive as long as it gets them to work and back. It's an appliance with tires, nothing more. Thanks for seeing my obvious point I picked a vanilla flavored 4 door grocery getter for a reason . |
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Posted: 7/13/2021 9:47:54 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Eighties cars were pretty terrible. Anyone remember the Chrysler K Cars? The Cadillac Cimmaron? I swear those K Cars accounted for at least 50% of the vehicles on the road around here. |
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Posted: 7/13/2021 9:54:42 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: “Wished a Ford and a Chevy would still last ten years like they should!” The Hag 1970’s Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Seems to me like the 1970's “Wished a Ford and a Chevy would still last ten years like they should!” The Hag 1970’s That album was released in 1981. |
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Posted: 7/13/2021 10:04:20 AM EDT
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“Speedy car. Speedier than that.”
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Posted: 7/13/2021 10:50:00 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Beg all they want. Nobody thinks of them as icons of the 80s . I would take one Grand National over a truckload of mustangs. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Saleen and Shelby beg to differ. Beg all they want. Nobody thinks of them as icons of the 80s . I would take one Grand National over a truckload of mustangs. I don’t agree. In the late 80s and early 90s I could have owned an ‘87 Grand National or an ‘87+ 5.0 Mustang. I bought the Mustang. Today I could easily own both a Saleen SSC Mustang and a Grand National. I bought an ‘87 Mustang LX because I decided I wanted to modify it and cutting up a genuine Saleen car would be wrong. After a lot of chasing I have discovered that I can’t bring myself to spend money on an ‘87 Grand National or the other G bodies including the GNX. As much “fun” as it might be to have one as a collection stablemate to the Foxbody. Here is my project car that the power outage and freeze damage recovery has side tracked. Nothing to be terribly proud of… It’s an old pic, but there hasn’t been any progress since I took it.  Do you happen to have a Grand National? And yes the 80s were the worst decade for cars. The 70s at least opened with the remnants of the muscle car wars. Nostalgia isn’t a big enough bandage to patch up the ‘80s car void. |
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