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Posted: 10/29/2019 10:31:31 AM EDT
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Anyone remember the fat Leonard scandal?
The Fat Leonard scandal is a corruption scandal and ongoing investigation within the United States Navy involving ship support contractor Glenn Defense Marine Asia (GDMA), a subsidiary of the Glenn Marine Group. The Washington Post called the scandal "perhaps the worst national-security breach of its kind to hit the ... We are seeing the legacy of paper pushing admirals and generals who don't know how to win a war. Yet are very good and lining their pockets! 
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Posted: 10/29/2019 10:33:02 AM EDT
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Amazingly large ships. It would take you an hour to get to your work area. Fuck, I left my 120mm wrench in my truck, gotta go get it. I’ll be back in an hour.
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Posted: 10/29/2019 10:34:20 AM EDT
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Under my plan we'd have 30 carriers and 500 Seawolf 2 Electric Boogaloos.
Check mate bigots |
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Posted: 10/29/2019 10:40:57 AM EDT
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Anyone remember the fat Leonard scandal? The Fat Leonard scandal is a corruption scandal and ongoing investigation within the United States Navy involving ship support contractor Glenn Defense Marine Asia (GDMA), a subsidiary of the Glenn Marine Group. The Washington Post called the scandal "perhaps the worst national-security breach of its kind to hit the ... We are seeing the legacy of paper pushing admirals and generals who don't know how to win a war. Yet are very good and lining their pockets! |
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Posted: 10/29/2019 10:44:39 AM EDT
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They should have kept CV-63 and CV-64 in reserve longer.
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Posted: 10/29/2019 10:49:37 AM EDT
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They should have kept CV-63 and CV-64 in reserve longer. The problem was that they were given to the Reserve to man and maintain, with no funds to do so. Or, the funds were earmarked, but then shifted to priorities like GWOT, LCS, DDG-21, and other Navy procurement victories. |
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Posted: 10/29/2019 10:51:07 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: And this information is made public  Kind of hard to miss six carriers. |
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Posted: 10/29/2019 10:52:20 AM EDT
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This is what happens when:
1. You elect Dimms to high office, especially President. 2. You run $20T national debt and can’t afford parts. |
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Posted: 10/29/2019 10:56:40 AM EDT
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I imagine that they are visible from the surrounding area Kind of hard to miss six carriers. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: And this information is made public Kind of hard to miss six carriers. If it helps, the flattops do NOT have their AIS on at the moment
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Posted: 10/29/2019 10:56:48 AM EDT
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Funny how the MSM fails to notice this?  |
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Posted: 10/29/2019 11:00:10 AM EDT
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The MSM helped cause this by getting filthy Kommies (Dems) elected. They revel in this evil, white supremacist nation being weakened. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Funny how the MSM fails to notice this? |
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Posted: 10/29/2019 11:02:40 AM EDT
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The fact the carriers are in Norfolk is essentially public knowledge. Commercial and pleasure vessels transit the area they're in every day. They're kind of hard to miss. I in port about 2 miles away, and could get you some close-up pictures in about 30 minutes if you wanted. The reason they're in port and their state of readiness seems like something that shouldn't be published in the clear, though. If it helps, the flattops do NOT have their AIS on at the moment Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Posted: 10/29/2019 11:03:10 AM EDT
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imagine if someone pearl harbored us now... I hope we have a ton of SAMs and other assets ready to defend those ships... We'd be stupid not to... but we'd also be stupid to have six carriers in a port getting fixed at the same time...
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Posted: 10/29/2019 11:04:37 AM EDT
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Has anyone considered that maybe having such a small number of extremely expensive carriers might be a bad idea?
Might we be better served with a secondary force of cheaper, smaller carriers that can be built in larger numbers? |
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Posted: 10/29/2019 11:06:29 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: And this information is made public You think our peer adversaries get their intelligence from congressional hearing transcripts? You think Russia or China is going to wake up one day, see this report on CNN and say "fire ze missiles"? It's not really a secret when a ship the size of a skyscraper is parked in port and the crew of 5000+ disembarks. |
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Posted: 10/29/2019 11:08:38 AM EDT
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As long as there are ample females on these warships and everyone has completed their unconscious bias training we are fine!
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Posted: 10/29/2019 11:08:50 AM EDT
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You don't even need satellites. Carriers are really big. You can just look at them from the road nearest the base. Or watch them as the come into port. They also hold enough people that in port towns it's well known when (as in the exact date ahead of time) the carriers are in. There are usually welcome messages on the local bars' reader boards. Carriers in port isn't secret squirrel shit. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Posted: 10/29/2019 11:11:30 AM EDT
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Quote History20 something me ate sooooooooo much food from that Mcdonalds. |
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Posted: 10/29/2019 11:11:47 AM EDT
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You guys think this is bad? I suggest not to look at the state of the aircraft that fly on those..... |
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Posted: 10/29/2019 11:12:42 AM EDT
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It happens occaisionally. I can't imagine the traffic in the Hampton Roads area.
There's a photo from the 90s with 5 carriers in port. It was taken opportunistically by one of the helps because there was only a 2 hour window when one had pulled in and another pulling out. That photo angered a bunch of Congress critters "why are they in port"? Well...one just came out of refuelling, one going into refuelling, one in training, one getting underway to deploy and one returning from deployment. Relax. Fucking carriers are ardupus sea duty and spend an assload of time at sea. The crews on those boats aren't robots. My last sea tour was on Lincoln. 8 month deployment, 7 month turn around "training cycle", 8 month deployment with around the world sail to head into refuelling. Much of that 7 months was at sea as well. |
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Posted: 10/29/2019 11:19:04 AM EDT
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tl; dr Here's a summary: Navy: "give us more money. Terrible things will happen if you don't." |
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Posted: 10/29/2019 11:19:25 AM EDT
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According to information from the Navy, here’s the state of play for the Norfolk carrier fleet:
?USS Dwight D. Eisenhower (CVN-69) – has completed the Basic Phase of the Optimized Fleet Response Plan (OFRP) and is progressing normally through training to be deployable. ?USS George Washington (CVN 73) – in Maintenance Phase undergoing a Refueling and Complex Overhaul (RCOH) at Newport News Shipbuilding. ?USS John C. Stennis (CVN 74) – at the end of OFRP, supporting operations off the East Coast; slated for RCOH. ?USS Harry S. Truman (CVN 75) – in Sustainment Phase; repair efforts for an electrical issue are underway to restore the ship to its full capability in order to deploy the ship and its air wing as soon as possible. ?USS George HW Bush (CVN 77) – Maintenance Phase. ?USS Gerald R. Ford (CVN 78) – New construction, undergoing testing. So: Training getting ready to deploy Extended maintenance/refuelling (a four year process). Returned from deployment standing duty as the ready carrier, getting ready to turn over to Truman my be in port just returned from a local underway period. Deploying Yard period (normal interdeployment maintenance) New construction As I said, relax. It takes 4 carriers to make one deployed when everything goes right. |
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Posted: 10/29/2019 11:19:36 AM EDT
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Looking at that picture closely, the only thing I want to know is what happened to the McDonalds that was right across the street? 20 something me ate sooooooooo much food from that Mcdonalds. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Looking at that picture closely, the only thing I want to know is what happened to the McDonalds that was right across the street? 20 something me ate sooooooooo much food from that Mcdonalds. |
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Posted: 10/29/2019 11:20:19 AM EDT
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The Rocket Man in Korea probably have wet dreams about all those Carriers lined up like that. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Pearl Harbor 2: the Boogaloo !!! https://publicradio1-wpengine.netdna-ssl.com/newscut/files/legacy/content_images/aircraft_carriers_large.jpg 
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Posted: 10/29/2019 11:21:14 AM EDT
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So what? You think our peer adversaries get their intelligence from congressional hearing transcripts? You think Russia or China is going to wake up one day, see this report on CNN and say "fire ze missiles"? It's not really a secret when a ship the size of a skyscraper is parked in port and the crew of 5000+ disembarks. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: And this information is made public You think our peer adversaries get their intelligence from congressional hearing transcripts? You think Russia or China is going to wake up one day, see this report on CNN and say "fire ze missiles"? It's not really a secret when a ship the size of a skyscraper is parked in port and the crew of 5000+ disembarks. |
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Posted: 10/29/2019 11:22:11 AM EDT
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Posted: 10/29/2019 11:22:37 AM EDT
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What are all the white container looking thingies on the G.H.W. Bush?
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Posted: 10/29/2019 11:23:51 AM EDT
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What are all the white container looking thingies on the G.H.W. Bush? Connex boxes for offices, tools, machine shops, etc for the yard crew. The tents at the aft are for weatherproofing and dust control, they are resurfacing the flight deck. They scrape the non skid down to bare steel, re coat then reapply. Takes a while and is done a couple times during a training and deployment cycle. The flight deck gets beat to hell in the landing area. |
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Posted: 10/29/2019 11:24:18 AM EDT
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Why in the blue fuck does refueling take 4 years? If one were to whack the enviroweenie regs out and just do it “normal” safely, how long would it REALLY take?
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Posted: 10/29/2019 11:24:57 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: And this information is made public Also, we should be billing the builder of the Ford $10 million a day at least until it is deployable. Bet it would be fixed in a week. |
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Posted: 10/29/2019 11:26:01 AM EDT
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tl; dr Here's a summary: Navy: "give us more money. Terrible things will happen if you don't." |
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Posted: 10/29/2019 11:26:31 AM EDT
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Has anyone considered that maybe having such a small number of extremely expensive carriers might be a bad idea? Might we be better served with a secondary force of cheaper, smaller carriers that can be built in larger numbers? |
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Posted: 10/29/2019 11:27:08 AM EDT
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Why in the blue fuck does refueling take 4 years? If one were to whack the enviroweenie regs out and just do it “normal” safely, how long would it REALLY take? And there's only one place to do it. Not like gassing up the family grocery getter. |
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Posted: 10/29/2019 11:27:24 AM EDT
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You ever seen a construction site? Connex boxes for offices, tools, machine shops, etc for the yard crew. The tents at the aft are for weatherproofing and dust control, they are resurfacing the flight deck. |
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Posted: 10/29/2019 11:28:10 AM EDT
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Not enough people on board with the knowledge to get shit done.
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Posted: 10/29/2019 11:28:11 AM EDT
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Why is so much more of our carrier fleet based over on the Atlantic side? China ain't exactly going to attack from the east coast. And most of Europe is not a threat. Yes, there's Russia, but I think China is a more existential threat. And are our carriers too complex these days? Yeah, yeah, I know about all the high-zoot electronics and all, but when they get so complicated that they have to come home and sit for years to get fixed, they're not as useful as they should be. In WWII, there were enough specialists onboard these ships to fix damn near anything that broke or got shot up, and do it overnight while under attack. And we were turning out complete troop carrier ships in less than a day. Now it takes two years to refit and refuel a ship.  |
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Posted: 10/29/2019 11:30:30 AM EDT
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Because you are dealing with nuclear reactors and nuclear waste and you have to cut holes in the ship to exchange the fuel rods then button everything back up and do a lot of testing. And there's only one place to do it. Not like gassing up the family grocery getter. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Why in the blue fuck does refueling take 4 years? If one were to whack the enviroweenie regs out and just do it “normal” safely, how long would it REALLY take? And there's only one place to do it. Not like gassing up the family grocery getter. |
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Posted: 10/29/2019 11:31:03 AM EDT
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You guys think this is bad? I suggest not to look at the state of the aircraft that fly on those..... |
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Posted: 10/29/2019 11:31:05 AM EDT
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@fortydelta "You are so full of shit, Walsh!" Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Come on, look at your watch. It's coming up on shift change. The bean counters are worried about overtime, so they're sending everybody back to port to punch out. The next shift will be on board in a minute. "You are so full of shit, Walsh!" |
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Posted: 10/29/2019 11:31:43 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: And this information is made public |
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Posted: 10/29/2019 11:32:46 AM EDT
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This is what happens when: 1. You elect Dimms to high office, especially President. 2. You run $20T national debt and can’t afford parts. |
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Posted: 10/29/2019 11:34:34 AM EDT
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I'm going to offer the guess that the problem is related to very large inductors discharging back into the ship's electrical system improperly.
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Posted: 10/29/2019 11:35:34 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: And this information is made public |
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Posted: 10/29/2019 11:35:47 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: And this information is made public |
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Posted: 10/29/2019 11:35:49 AM EDT
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WWSD? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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tl; dr Here's a summary: Navy: "give us more money. Terrible things will happen if you don't."
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Posted: 10/29/2019 11:39:14 AM EDT
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Has anyone considered that maybe having such a small number of extremely expensive carriers might be a bad idea? Might we be better served with a secondary force of cheaper, smaller carriers that can be built in larger numbers? |
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Posted: 10/29/2019 11:41:12 AM EDT
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tl; dr Here's a summary: Navy: "give us more money. Terrible things will happen if you don't." Kharn |
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Posted: 10/29/2019 11:42:20 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I understand that. But does it really take 4 years? I’ve done a lot (years and years, millions and millions) of go to contracting. I know how complicated they can make the simplest tasks. I’m sure the regs are insanely safe, incredibly expensive, painfully slow, and about 50% unnecessary. That 4 years also includes the other non nuclear standard overhaul work. You have to prep the ship, when the reactors are open no other work is being done. So there's a lot of work getting it into and out of the refuelling facility. THEN all tge normal stuff. Because it takes so long there is usually a long list of unfinished maintenance that gets rolled over until the next yard period, delaying it 3 years or so unless something breaks. There ain't no lollygagging. Procedures for working on nukes read like, "worker number one torque 4 bolts to some specified spec. Worker number 2 torques those same 4 bolts independently to the same spec." It's very slow and methodical work because there can be no accidents. |
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Posted: 10/29/2019 11:43:43 AM EDT
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8 hours a day, 5 days a week minus holidays. That 4 years also includes the other non nuclear standard overhaul work. You have to prep the ship, when the reactors are open no other work is being done. So there's a lot of work getting it into and out of the refuelling facility. THEN all tge normal stuff. Because it takes so long there is usually a long list of unfinished maintenance that gets rolled over until the next yard period, delaying it 3 years or so unless something breaks. There ain't no lollygagging. Procedures for working on nukes read like, "worker number one torque 4 bolts to some specified spec. Worker number 2 torques those same 4 bolts independently to the same spec." It's very slow and methodical work because there can be no accidents. |
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Posted: 10/29/2019 11:46:19 AM EDT
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In December 2012 only the Eisenhower was at sea of all the carriers. And it was returning to port..
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