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Posted: 10/30/2019 12:32:49 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: lol, because criminals families have a million laying around? Lawsuits don't make magic money appear. |
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Posted: 10/30/2019 12:34:14 PM EST
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Even if insurance would cover it, why should they cover a deliberate act like this? This idea that the city should walk away is plain wrong. This should make all homeowners and businesses worried, are they screwed too? Appears the answer is yes.
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Posted: 10/30/2019 12:35:47 PM EST
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Why not sue the criminal, or his family, who caused the problem? Perhaps filing a lawsuit under eminent domain wasn't the best option? 
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Posted: 10/30/2019 12:38:41 PM EST
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police-blew-up-an-innocent-mans-house What do you guys think? Too bad? He must not have had insurance//// The judge should award ownership all of of the cops involved to the guy who lost his house. They would think twice before they destroyed someone’s property again. |
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Posted: 10/30/2019 12:39:54 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: More like should have read the fine print. This is pretty typical: |
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Posted: 10/30/2019 12:40:01 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: It's either a policy or it's not. |
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Posted: 10/30/2019 12:42:09 PM EST
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If it is a policy to blow up and drive an up armored transport into a house to catch a shoplifter, than I would say it should that policy should be fucking changed. It makes it ok because policy? Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: It's either a policy or it's not. |
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Posted: 10/30/2019 12:43:38 PM EST
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So you get a judgement against the shitbag. How do you collect. You don’t. But hey, there’s that judgement on his record. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Why not sue the criminal, or his family, who caused the problem? Perhaps filing a lawsuit under eminent domain wasn't the best option? Today, the Leches’ Greenwood Village home has been rebuilt. Lech says he is now dipping into his 401(k) to afford the legal battle but intends to continue as long as he is able. He says he thinks he has too much bad luck to make it to the Supreme Court but believes sooner or later that someone else like him will get there. |
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Posted: 10/30/2019 12:44:15 PM EST
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It sucks that we have to deal with the costs from these shitbags. They should be forced to work in labor camps until full restitution is made to their victims. Should have had insurance. The police destroyed property to protect life. I am ok with that choice. Quote HistoryQuoted:
It sucks that we have to deal with the costs from these shitbags. They should be forced to work in labor camps until full restitution is made to their victims. Should have had insurance. The police destroyed property to protect life. I am ok with that choice. The suspect, Robert Jonathan Seacat, had stolen a shirt and a couple of belts from a Walmart |
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Posted: 10/30/2019 12:45:43 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: If it is a policy to blow up and drive an up armored transport into a house to catch a shoplifter, than I would say it should that policy should be fucking changed. It makes it ok because policy? So he went from shoplifting to burglary of an occupied dwelling while carrying a gun. But he's just a shoplifter, no threat to the community! How exactly do you propose to safely extract armed barricaded felons without using gas or damaging the building? Wait them out like a medieval siege? They can probably last a month or two inside a regular suburban house. |
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Posted: 10/30/2019 12:47:10 PM EST
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The guy had a firearm, he is a threat to the community. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Quoted: It's either a policy or it's not. https://www.ar15.com/forums/General/Panel-of-Judges-SMACK-DOWN-defense-on-a-no-knock-raid-GONE-WRONG/5-2267496/ |
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Posted: 10/30/2019 12:47:12 PM EST
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It sucks that we have to deal with the costs from these shitbags. They should be forced to work in labor camps until full restitution is made to their victims. Should have had insurance. The police destroyed property to protect life. I am ok with that choice. |
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Posted: 10/30/2019 12:47:31 PM EST
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You could try reading the fucking article and realize the "shoplifter" ran away from the wal-mart and broke into this home while displaying a handgun. While the home was occupied by a 9 year old. So he went from shoplifting to burglary of an occupied dwelling while carrying a gun. But he's just a shoplifter, no threat to the community! How exactly do you propose to safely extract armed barricaded felons without using gas or damaging the building? Wait them out like a medieval siege? They can probably last a month or two inside a regular suburban house. |
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Posted: 10/30/2019 12:47:32 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: "an armed Walmart shoplifting suspect randomly barricaded himself after fleeing the store on a June afternoon in 2015. For 19 hours, the suspect holed up in a bathroom" |
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Posted: 10/30/2019 12:48:16 PM EST
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The police response seems excessive for a shoplifter that was believed to be armed but wasn't and didn't shoot anybody.
But I wasn't there. Either way, the city needs to make them whole. Anything else is bullshit. |
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Posted: 10/30/2019 12:49:00 PM EST
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I remember this, June afternoon in 2015.
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Posted: 10/30/2019 12:49:44 PM EST
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I’m OK with that choice as well, but I also think the people who benefit from that choice (the taxpayers) should cover cost of realizing that benefit. They should, of course, recover what they can from the perp. |
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Posted: 10/30/2019 12:51:03 PM EST
[#18]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Yet, they'll raid a house for $100 of weed. https://www.ar15.com/forums/General/Panel-of-Judges-SMACK-DOWN-defense-on-a-no-knock-raid-GONE-WRONG/5-2267496/ |
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Posted: 10/30/2019 12:51:33 PM EST
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Well, a lotta cops are gonna see that ruling and think "that's quite enabling!" |
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Posted: 10/30/2019 12:51:33 PM EST
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The police response seems excessive for a shoplifter that was believed to be armed but wasn't and didn't shoot anybody. But I wasn't there. Either way, the city needs to make them whole. Anything else is bullshit. You tell me exactly how you would react to an armed burglar breaking into your house while your 9 year old was inside. Once the child escaped would you prefer the police a) Take the scumbag into custody or b) "De-escalate" and leave and go "Well, we'll get him next time, it was just a shoplift." |
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Posted: 10/30/2019 12:52:59 PM EST
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The police response seems excessive for a shoplifter that was believed to be armed but wasn't and didn't shoot anybody. But I wasn't there. Either way, the city needs to make them whole. Anything else is bullshit. He was also shooting up some of the 300+ grams of meth he had with him. |
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Posted: 10/30/2019 12:53:04 PM EST
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After reading GD, I think we should propose a new law - the police should never be allowed to enter a private dwelling under any circumstances. Armed murdered taking potshots from his living room window? It's better for all involved if the police wait for him to stop and arrest him when he leaves his house to get groceries. Just think of how many lives we'd save.
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Posted: 10/30/2019 12:53:10 PM EST
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Why not sue the criminal, or his family, who caused the problem? Perhaps filing a lawsuit under eminent domain wasn't the best option? 
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Posted: 10/30/2019 12:54:15 PM EST
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There was a cop in NY who had a crook run into his house. I think after a failed entry where a swat team member accidentally killed another cop the house ended up burning down after they fired gas canisters or whatever into the house. Rumor is crook was dead but who's going to order a second entry |
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Posted: 10/30/2019 12:54:22 PM EST
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If we follow this decision down to its logical conclusion, if police are shooting at a suspect and they kill a bystander, I guess we just have to shrug that off too.
I get that the responsible party for initiating the action is the shoplifter. But if he ran into a shopping mall, could the police burn down the entire thing and just walk away? This isn't a police issue, it's the city indemnifying innocent bystanders from collateral damage in the performance of law enforcement actions. Maybe the problem was going the Eminent Domain route instead of "Due Care" or "Reasonable Force" or "Innocent Bystander" or "Collateral Damage" route. |
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Posted: 10/30/2019 12:56:24 PM EST
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Remember Dorner? |
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Posted: 10/30/2019 12:56:50 PM EST
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The bigger crime is the OP's use of a hyphen...  it was copied.... I am fucking FAR to lazy to do that my self... OR remove it!
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Posted: 10/30/2019 12:58:30 PM EST
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That what I was thinking, that doesn't look like a $400k house. I bet much of that $400k might be lawyer fees. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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How is the guy out $400k if the city paid his deductible and temp housing and insurance paid the rest???? Was he under insured or something? Cherry hills borders it were you are averaging $3,000,000 |
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Posted: 10/30/2019 12:58:50 PM EST
[#29]
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So what life were they protecting? Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: So? 
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Posted: 10/30/2019 12:59:38 PM EST
[#30]
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If we follow this decision down to its logical conclusion, if police are shooting at a suspect and they kill a bystander, I guess we just have to shrug that off too. I get that the responsible party for initiating the action is the shoplifter. But if he ran into a shopping mall, could the police burn down the entire thing and just walk away? Second of all, the The subsequent unreasonable decision by the city to not assist the homeowner in rehabilitating the damaged property does not in any way make what the police did unreasonable. If you want to "follow things to the logical conclusion" you should try actually applying logic. |
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Posted: 10/30/2019 1:02:11 PM EST
[#31]
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Did the officers make it home safe though? |
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Posted: 10/30/2019 1:03:16 PM EST
[#32]
So how much time did the alleged armed shoplifter get after the homeowner's house was protected and served the fuck out of?
The World Wonders.
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Posted: 10/30/2019 1:03:25 PM EST
[#33]
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Well, a lotta cops are gonna see that ruling and think "that's quite enabling!" Take a few days, investigate yourself then aim for the stars! |
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Posted: 10/30/2019 1:07:57 PM EST
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So how much time did the alleged armed shoplifter get after the homeowner's house was protected and served the fuck out of? The World Wonders. |
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Posted: 10/30/2019 1:16:57 PM EST
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I get the whole principle that the police can't be limited in what they do, but...
If we're gonna socialize the costs of running the police departments, and pay for them through taxes, then why the hell aren't we socializing all the expenses accrued for crap like this? If the homeowner is actually out $400,000.00 to rebuild his house, then the rest of the community ought to be sharing that load, because it was created in service of a public good, to wit, public safety. I don't get why the police and the city government are resisting paying for this. If destroying someone's property is necessary, to support a public good, then the owners of that property deserve to be made whole by the beneficiaries of that act--The local community. I really don't get the issue. Police did what they did, did it in the name of public safety, and the consequences of that should not be laid on just one member of the community. I'd be seriously asking why the hell I needed to pay taxes, in the homeowners case, until the damages were paid for via forgone taxes paid to that community. Whole thing seems seriously overboard, all the way around. |
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Posted: 10/30/2019 1:18:59 PM EST
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Quote HistoryHe also tried to run over an officer.
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Posted: 10/30/2019 1:19:22 PM EST
[#37]
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So how much time did the alleged armed shoplifter get after the homeowner's house was protected and served the fuck out of? The World Wonders. In CO he will have to do at least 38 to 50 years before he is eligible for parole. 
It's still no good reason not to pay the homeowner for damages caused to his property during the apprehension. . Also it sorta makes the "sue the perp" argument a moot point. CO inmate pay rates. $0.84 to $2.45 per day for full time assignments, $0.42 starting wage for half time assignments. At "top-pay" that works out to around $900.00 a year. 
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Posted: 10/30/2019 1:22:06 PM EST
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“Shoplifting” their bias is showing
Police chase and armed home invasion, actually. |
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Posted: 10/30/2019 1:25:13 PM EST
[#39]
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If it is a policy to blow up and drive an up armored transport into a house to catch a shoplifter, than I would say it should that policy should be fucking changed. It makes it ok because policy? Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: It's either a policy or it's not. You either did not read the circumstances or you are incredibly biased |
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Posted: 10/30/2019 1:27:50 PM EST
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He broke into the house in question while carrying a gun. While the homeowner's 9 year old was alone inside. You tell me exactly how you would react to an armed burglar breaking into your house while your 9 year old was inside. Once the child escaped would you prefer the police a) Take the scumbag into custody or b) "De-escalate" and leave and go "Well, we'll get him next time, it was just a shoplift." Quote HistoryQuoted:
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The police response seems excessive for a shoplifter that was believed to be armed but wasn't and didn't shoot anybody. But I wasn't there. Either way, the city needs to make them whole. Anything else is bullshit. You tell me exactly how you would react to an armed burglar breaking into your house while your 9 year old was inside. Once the child escaped would you prefer the police a) Take the scumbag into custody or b) "De-escalate" and leave and go "Well, we'll get him next time, it was just a shoplift." |
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Posted: 10/30/2019 1:28:37 PM EST
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This isn't a new concept.
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Posted: 10/30/2019 1:34:44 PM EST
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I'd be interested in how he was financially harmed. The situation sucks to be sure and they were most certainly "inconvenienced" but what was the financial harm? The city offered to pay rent and the insurance deductible which leads me to believe that we was fully insured. Yes, this guy seems pissed as would I but also seems like he's looking for a paycheck.
Fucked up situation and perhaps the cops could have done better but I wasn't there so it's hard to second guess. |
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Posted: 10/30/2019 1:34:55 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: “Shoplifter” You either did not read the circumstances or you are incredibly biased
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Posted: 10/30/2019 1:36:43 PM EST
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What’s with all the cop hating threads? Is it crap on Police day? Wtf
This issue is one that liberals should be all over. Instead of sucking the cocks of criminals, calling them "justice involved" and such, push for victim funds. People are adversely affected by scumbag criminals every day, and the funds available to compensate them are nearly nonexistent. |
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Posted: 10/30/2019 1:40:18 PM EST
[#45]
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It sucks that we have to deal with the costs from these shitbags. They should be forced to work in labor camps until full restitution is made to their victims. Should have had insurance. The police destroyed property to protect life. I am ok with that choice. |
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Posted: 10/30/2019 1:41:41 PM EST
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I doubt the guys insurance, if he has any, would cover this. I know my ins has disclaimers for acts of war and aggression by gov agencies, or something along those lines.
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Posted: 10/30/2019 1:42:06 PM EST
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That what I was thinking, that doesn't look like a $400k house. I bet much of that $400k might be lawyer fees. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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How is the guy out $400k if the city paid his deductible and temp housing and insurance paid the rest???? Was he under insured or something? |
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Posted: 10/30/2019 1:43:26 PM EST
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Well, a lotta cops are gonna see that ruling and think "that's quite enabling!" Cops burned man's crops to the ground because they thought it was pot needles. Local collaborationist in a black robe said "oh well - it was an honest mistake". |
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Posted: 10/30/2019 1:43:30 PM EST
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FWIW, the GVPD chief is a real piece of work. Told me suppressors are not for hunting and asked why I needed one  and also wrote the first letter to the ATF on pistol braces.Best to ventilate armed intruders on your own accord round these parts. What did you tell the tool? Did you ask WTF does need have to do with anything?
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Posted: 10/30/2019 1:43:41 PM EST
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Dynamic entry, robots, explosives, armored cars are cheaper for the department than cutting utilities and waiting out the suspect. the whole escaped also is a good psy-op to keep the sheep in check.
City just transferred the cost to a 3rd party. |
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