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Posted: 10/30/2019 5:28:53 PM EST
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It sucks that we have to deal with the costs from these shitbags. They should be forced to work in labor camps until full restitution is made to their victims. Should have had insurance. The police destroyed property to protect life. I am ok with that choice. |
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Posted: 10/30/2019 5:42:02 PM EST
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Looking at the picture of the back of the house, the word excessive seems a little lacking. I understand taking steps to ensure officer safety but a half-dozen holes in the back of the house is too much. It would be one thing if it were just the windows but that damage was more than just some glass and vinyl. I also understand the SWAT isn't a siege force but it's not like the guy was holed up in there for a week. I can clearly see the meter can in the photo of the back of the house. The water meter is usually at the street. Cutting power and water seems like a far better option than damaging the house to the point of being condemned by the city.
If another poster's numbers are accurate, the $5000 offered by the city to cover a deductible and rental assistance is sorely lacking. Consider $1000 per month in rent for a 2BR in a cheap area. They were out for more than a couple months. What's left for the deductible? Nothing. The article leaves you to assume they took the money. One could also assume that money came with a release of any liability for the city. I wouldn't take it. I don't think anyone else here would, either. And, why does this guy OR his insurance company have to pay for the police department going apeshit on this house? Nobody here has much love for insurance companies but why is the homeowner's insurance company left to pay for the damage? That doesn't seem right at all. I'd also bet his premiums went up as a result, too. And the guy's son didn't have insurance. Well, he just gets screwed here, too. I don't have anything against police but someone who thinks there is a real problem with abuses of power would likely have their belief reaffirmed after reading this story. The village of Greenwood did not do themselves any favors and they did a pretty bad disservice to police officers nationwide by taking this "oh well" attitude about this whole thing. The best outcome would have been for them, the village, to quietly get the city's insurance company involved and make this mess go away. It's a bad look on that town and it could have easily been avoided. |
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Posted: 10/30/2019 5:43:55 PM EST
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Have any of the GD commandos offered how they would have handled it?
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Posted: 10/30/2019 5:45:45 PM EST
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Have any of the GD commandos offered how they would have handled it? 
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Posted: 10/30/2019 5:48:02 PM EST
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Yes, actually. Reimburse the owner to make them whole. Civil case homeowner vs the suspect for the damages. |
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Posted: 10/30/2019 5:50:58 PM EST
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Hiding behind the protect and serve motto in this instance is absolute BS.
Warren V. DC along with several other cases clearly states police have no duty to protect citizens lives or property. A lot of police do great work, save lives and often get some very nasty criminals off the streets. But the primary duty of all LEOs is to enforce the laws of government, not protect the general public. This is why the subject of gun control is so nefarious. Most Americans have no clue they are 100% responsible for the safety of their family and property, not the police or gov. |
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Posted: 10/30/2019 5:51:17 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: No, I mean the ones who wouldn't have damaged the house in the first place. Civil case homeowner vs the suspect for the damages. I am not sure if this is excessive or not but it feels close to it which is why compensation to make the aggrieved party whole should be the standard practice. |
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Posted: 10/30/2019 5:51:58 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: No, I mean the ones who wouldn’t have damaged the house in the first place. Civil case homeowner vs the suspect for the damages. |
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Posted: 10/30/2019 5:52:21 PM EST
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How is the guy out $400k if the city paid his deductible and temp housing and insurance paid the rest???? Was he under insured or something? |
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Posted: 10/30/2019 5:54:12 PM EST
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I can't speak for everyone else but I am willing to give deference to LEO when it comes to armed fugitives. To a point. I am not sure if this is excessive or not but it feels close to it which is why compensation to make the aggrieved party whole should be the standard practice. |
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Posted: 10/30/2019 5:57:53 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: They should. And the suspect should be responsible |
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Posted: 10/30/2019 5:58:20 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: They should. And the suspect should be responsible 
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Posted: 10/30/2019 6:02:11 PM EST
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I don't get it.. if he was hiding in the bathroom why blow all the other walls up.
Fuck he probably only had a handgun, in which case those ballistic shield guys could have walked up to the door and either shot him or gassed him out directly. Pretty fucked up to blow his house to hell, condemn it and then say oh well 
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Posted: 10/30/2019 6:02:15 PM EST
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Because God knows you won’t be. We gonna start making the FD pay for every battery cable they cut at crash scenes too? |
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Posted: 10/30/2019 6:02:40 PM EST
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Jeez, guys... All y'all talking about the "insurance deductible" here must have a totally different set of policies that I'm familiar with, because this would never be covered by any of the ones I have. "Government agencies coming in and f*cking things up" are specifically included as exclusions in all the ones I've had.
I think there are a bunch of people posting here in this thread who need to have a look at their policies, and then read them for comprehension. I'm not even sure you can get insurance for this stuff, TBH... My agent just laughed, said "Yeah, act of God...", and that was it. |
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Posted: 10/30/2019 6:07:40 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Lol We gonna start making the FD pay for every battery cable they cut at crash scenes too? 
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Posted: 10/30/2019 6:09:56 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Yeah, I can see the similarities there They do it on damn near every crash. I bet the $ wasted on that yearly is pretty significant statewide, at least here. You want firefighters in Cleveland to pay for something an officer in Cincinnati does? Might as well do the same for other sectors of public service, since it’s all the same retirement $ |
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Posted: 10/30/2019 6:12:18 PM EST
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Philadelphia Police Commissioner Gregore J. Sambor and Mayor Wilson Goode laugh at blowing up only one house.
Real protectors of the public drop a C4 satchel charge from a helicopter and destroy 65 houses. No matter how egregious the fuck-up, there has always been some jackass who has done worse. How you recover from said stuck-up makes the difference. |
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Posted: 10/30/2019 6:12:31 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Why not They do it on damn near every crash. I bet the $ wasted on that yearly is pretty significant statewide, at least here. You want officers in Cleveland to pay for something an officer in Cincinnati does? Might as well do the same for other sectors of public service. I got nothing for that. I can't dumb myself down enough to communicate on your level. Maybe I could draw it in crayon? Would that help? |
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Posted: 10/30/2019 6:20:06 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Cutting a battery cable at the scene of a car crash in your brain equates to demolishing a house because a retard holed up in the bathroom? I got nothing for that. I can't dumb myself down enough to communicate on your level. Maybe I could draw it in crayon? You said pay it out of pension fund. Answe me this: why should a firefighter have to pay out of his/her pension fund so something an officer 100 miles away does? What would you have done to get the suspect out with no damage caused? |
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Posted: 10/30/2019 6:28:05 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: They should. And the suspect should be responsible |
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Posted: 10/30/2019 6:29:22 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Lol We gonna start making the FD pay for every battery cable they cut at crash scenes too? |
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Posted: 10/30/2019 6:30:25 PM EST
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Last I looked, a battery cable is not a whole house. |
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Posted: 10/30/2019 6:35:35 PM EST
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Lol We gonna start making the FD pay for every battery cable they cut at crash scenes too? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Because God knows you won’t be. We gonna start making the FD pay for every battery cable they cut at crash scenes too? |
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Posted: 10/30/2019 6:35:54 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: My point is where do you draw the line on damaged caused? You said pay it out of pension fund. Answe me this: why should a firefighter have to pay out of his/her pension fund so something an officer 100 miles away does? What would you have done to get the suspect out with no damage caused? Most said the city should have paid for the damage. Other's don't understand that no standard homeowners policy would cover it and think that because the article said the city offered to pay the deductible, he was should have been all set. Only one said pay for it out of pensions (which I don't agree with for the very reasons you cite). But because he dared to suggest your golden parachute might be affected you have to twist all this into something it isn't so you can claim "cop bashing" |
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Posted: 10/30/2019 6:36:36 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: My point is where do you draw the line on damaged caused? You said pay it out of pension fund. Answe me this: why should a firefighter have to pay out of his/her pension fund so something an officer 100 miles away does? What would you have done to get the suspect out with no damage caused? Segregate the police pension fund, should be as easy as a few clicks. Might see some actual changes in attitudes and overbearing responses if LE were actually held accountable like every other fucking person is. |
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Posted: 10/30/2019 6:37:48 PM EST
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So what’s the $ threshold to where GD gets mad? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Last I looked, a battery cable is not a whole house. |
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Posted: 10/30/2019 6:38:56 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Yet, they'll raid a house for $100 of weed. Hell, they'll shoot a guy a bazillion times, and then lie and say he shot at them. In thread you mentioned, in Jose Guerena's house, in Dennis Tuttle's house, in Kathryn Johnston's house...maybe your house next. And if you've got a problem with that, well, it just proves you're a cop hater. |
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Posted: 10/30/2019 6:39:03 PM EST
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I wonder if the cops will be upset when this guy witnesses a cop being killed and doesn’t help, remember anything, or write down any descriptions or plates?
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Posted: 10/30/2019 6:40:55 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Waited? Or did SWAT blow the whole budget on a Stryker and forget to buy some MRE's? Was there a Wienerschnitzel anywhere near by? Segregate the police pension fund, should be as easy as a few clicks. Might see some actual changes in attitudes and overbearing responses if LE were actually held accountable like every other fucking person is. 
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Posted: 10/30/2019 6:42:43 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: So what's the $ threshold to where GD gets mad Your analogy with the FD would only be valid if they cut the battery cable of a car that was not involved in the accident.
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Posted: 10/30/2019 6:43:56 PM EST
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My SOP was to just disconnect the negative terminal. |
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Posted: 10/30/2019 6:45:37 PM EST
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Come on now. The police just don't have the logistics needed to wait more than 19 hours. It's basically impossible. |
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Posted: 10/30/2019 6:46:52 PM EST
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My SOP was to just disconnect the negative terminal. |
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Posted: 10/30/2019 6:47:31 PM EST
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That is what PD and FD do around here. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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My SOP was to just disconnect the negative terminal. |
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Posted: 10/30/2019 6:48:29 PM EST
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Well they blew up the chicken man in philly last night and they blew up his house too...
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Posted: 10/30/2019 6:49:30 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: It probably is everywhere. But from what I have seen 100% of the time “disconnect” means cut with a pair of side cuts |
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Posted: 10/30/2019 6:49:56 PM EST
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Unless there is some exigency or the battery area that precludes disconnecting the terminal there's no good reason to cut. 
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Posted: 10/30/2019 6:51:15 PM EST
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If it is something the city chose to do (through the authority it gives to it's PD or FD) and it damaged the property of someone not directly involved the answer is every last cent. Your analogy with the FD would only be valid if they cut the battery cable of a car that was not involved in the accident. Car blows a red light and hits innocent driver. Innocent driver gets cable cut by responding FD. Their cable got cut as a result of the FD response, no fault of their own. Guy steals from store. Runs to house and barricades himself. House gets damaged as a result of PD response, no fault of the homeowner. The similarities in both is there is someone who is guilty of something, and it isn’t the responding public safety forces! |
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Posted: 10/30/2019 6:53:06 PM EST
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If they are doing unnecessary damage to an otherwise repairable vehicle they should pay to fix it. |
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Posted: 10/30/2019 6:54:06 PM EST
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Well, a lotta cops are gonna see that ruling and think "that's quite enabling!"
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Posted: 10/30/2019 6:58:55 PM EST
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How is the guy out $400k if the city paid his deductible and temp housing and insurance paid the rest???? Was he under insured or something? I see your building codes. I will raise you absolutely indestructible. |
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Posted: 10/30/2019 7:02:01 PM EST
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Never in my whole career have I seen a firefighter pull out a socket, wrench, vice grips, or similar to disconnect a battery cable. They’re always cut. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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If they are doing unnecessary damage to an otherwise repairable vehicle they should pay to fix it. |
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Posted: 10/30/2019 7:02:25 PM EST
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What’s with all the cop hating threads? Is it crap on Police day? Wtf |
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Posted: 10/30/2019 7:04:10 PM EST
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A cable that costs under $100 bucks on a car that I'm assuming would already be burning isn't really a fair comparison in any way.
Your point is clearly that you can't be bothered with little shit like not destroying innocent peoples homes and are offended people think it should even be given consideration. Then you tell people to sue the guy who was just locked up for 100 years after stealing T-shirts? Fucking sociopaths. |
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Posted: 10/30/2019 7:08:56 PM EST
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Not really. Car blows a red light and hits innocent driver. Innocent driver gets cable cut by responding FD. Their cable got cut as a result of the FD response, no fault of their own. Guy steals from store. Runs to house and barricades himself. House gets damaged as a result of PD response, no fault of the homeowner. The similarities in both is there is someone who is guilty of something, and it isn’t the responding public safety forces! Quote HistoryQuoted:
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If it is something the city chose to do (through the authority it gives to it's PD or FD) and it damaged the property of someone not directly involved the answer is every last cent. Your analogy with the FD would only be valid if they cut the battery cable of a car that was not involved in the accident. Car blows a red light and hits innocent driver. Innocent driver gets cable cut by responding FD. Their cable got cut as a result of the FD response, no fault of their own. Guy steals from store. Runs to house and barricades himself. House gets damaged as a result of PD response, no fault of the homeowner. The similarities in both is there is someone who is guilty of something, and it isn’t the responding public safety forces! |
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Posted: 10/30/2019 7:09:07 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Not really. Car blows a red light and hits innocent driver. Innocent driver gets cable cut by responding FD. Their cable got cut as a result of the FD response, no fault of their own. Guy steals from store. Runs to house and barricades himself. House gets damaged as a result of PD response, no fault of the homeowner. The similarities in both is there is someone who is guilty of something, and it isn't the responding public safety forces! Reading, it's fundamental |
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Posted: 10/30/2019 7:11:43 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Never in my whole career have I seen a firefighter pull out a socket, wrench, vice grips, or similar to disconnect a battery cable. They're always cut. |
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Posted: 10/30/2019 7:12:42 PM EST
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So how is your example of the innocent driver "not directly involved"? Reading, it's fundamental |
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Posted: 10/30/2019 7:13:05 PM EST
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So what’s the $ threshold to where GD gets mad? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Last I looked, a battery cable is not a whole house. No one takes you seriously. If I was one of the arfcops, I would be embarrassed you were taking my side. (Which is saying alot seeing how they defend their profession.) |
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