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Posted: 7/1/2023 11:25:17 AM EDT
[#1]
It has been clear in these cases that the judges in the 5th Circuit actually have an understanding of firearms and components. In other circuits the judges have no idea about the intricacies of guns or gun law and it shows in their rulings
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Posted: 7/1/2023 11:25:42 AM EDT
[#2]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Wayne LaPierre is Controlled Opposition. Change my mind. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: FPC is kicking ass!! What has the NRA been doing? Change my mind. Pretty much, but in NRA's defense, they have been doing one good thing for us. They're the focus of the lefts ire while the REAL pro gun groups are bending over the anti's and the ATF in pornographic level legal sodomy. So, let them be the ones the anti gun freaks go after and attack while FPC and GOA bring the rain. |
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Posted: 7/1/2023 11:53:50 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: It has been clear in these cases that the judges in the 5th Circuit actually have an understanding of firearms and components. In other circuits the judges have no idea about the intricacies of guns or gun law and it shows in their rulings It’s not a 5th circuit decision. |
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Posted: 7/1/2023 12:47:18 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Bingo. The lawsuit attacks an ATF rule in the code of federal regulations. The court is looking at whether the ATF has the authority under the law as passed by Congress to create the rule. It's not really a 2A case, it's more along the lines of the recent ruling in SACKETT v EPA with EPA overstepping its authority under the Clean Water Act. That's what I see. All their new bullshit has been stretched from interpretation of the law to rule making. |
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Posted: 7/1/2023 1:04:21 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: What has the NRA been doing? Sending me emails about my free hat and shitty tote bag that I'm missing out on lol Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: FPC is kicking ass!! What has the NRA been doing? What has the NRA been doing? Sending me emails about my free hat and shitty tote bag that I'm missing out on lol Besides Bruen, the single biggest 2A victory in mindern times? |
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Posted: 7/1/2023 1:08:08 PM EDT
[#6]
Niagra Falls Baby.
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Posted: 7/1/2023 1:10:14 PM EDT
[#7]
So who makes the best 80% frames, jigs, etc.?
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Posted: 7/1/2023 1:17:35 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: So who makes the best 80% frames, jigs, etc.? All depends on what you want to build. Polymer80 is great if you’re looking for anything besides Glock 19, GST-9 Mod 1 gives you grip length choices, and Giesler is a Gen3 19x. If Lone Wolf brings the Freedom Wolf back as a result of this you’ll get Gen 4 compatibility with slimmer frame size. |
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Posted: 7/1/2023 1:19:56 PM EDT
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The NRA(mostly pre-fwlp) created the political environment where if either chamber is R the antis can get little or nothing passed.
That's why they resorted to the atf making their own rules. |
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Posted: 7/1/2023 1:25:49 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Interesting, the spindle/router is mounted horizontally? Ghost Gunner 3 - it has its good points, but still has a way to go to be a good 3 axis CNC machine. |
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Posted: 7/1/2023 9:47:11 PM EDT
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 Breaking: Court Overturns ATF's Frame & Receiver Final Rule ???? |
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Posted: 7/1/2023 9:50:47 PM EDT
[#12]
Quote HistorySo he's wrong right off the top when he says it comes out of the fifth circuit court. |
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Posted: 7/1/2023 11:10:35 PM EDT
[#13]
How a Court Just Threw Out ATF's Rule on Frames and Receivers. HUGE WIN!!!
 How a Court Just Threw Out ATF's Rule on Frames and Receivers. HUGE WIN!!!! |
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Posted: 7/2/2023 8:36:56 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: So he's wrong right off the top when he says it comes out of the fifth circuit court. Quote HistoryQuoted: So he's wrong right off the top when he says it comes out of the fifth circuit court. |
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Posted: 7/2/2023 11:39:39 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: No, it did come from the Fifth. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: So he's wrong right off the top when he says it comes out of the fifth circuit court. Right, the district court not the appeals court. Anyone know if the government is planning to appeal? |
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Posted: 7/2/2023 11:50:19 AM EDT
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The state I currently reside in, WA, considers anything that is used in, on, or near a semi auto firearm a firearm. The state can't be bothered with that pesky constitution.
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Posted: 7/2/2023 11:59:26 AM EDT
[#17]
Quote HistoryQuoted: The state I currently reside in, WA, considers anything that is used in, on, or near a semi auto firearm a firearm. The state can't be bothered with that pesky constitution. |
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Posted: 7/2/2023 3:17:05 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Pretty much, but in NRA's defense, they have been doing one good thing for us. They're the focus of the lefts ire while the REAL pro gun groups are bending over the anti's and the ATF in pornographic level legal sodomy. So, let them be the ones the anti gun freaks go after and attack while FPC and GOA bring the rain. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: FPC is kicking ass!! What has the NRA been doing? Change my mind. Pretty much, but in NRA's defense, they have been doing one good thing for us. They're the focus of the lefts ire while the REAL pro gun groups are bending over the anti's and the ATF in pornographic level legal sodomy. So, let them be the ones the anti gun freaks go after and attack while FPC and GOA bring the rain. And when they are done with the NRA...they're coming for the others....."We must, indeed, all hang together or, most assuredly, we shall all hang separately." |
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Posted: 7/2/2023 3:24:36 PM EDT
[#19]
Unfortunately it doesn’t do much for me in Maryland where they make there own rules up.
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Posted: 7/2/2023 4:27:42 PM EDT
[#20]
So can the caveman thread get unbrownelled now?
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Posted: 7/6/2023 5:10:30 PM EDT
[#21]
07.05-GhostGun-Complaint-Final.pdf
Philadelphia Hires Anti-2A Group To Sue JSD Supply & Polymer80  Philadelphia Hires Anti-2A Group To Sue JSD Supply & Polymer80 |
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Posted: 7/9/2023 1:11:04 PM EDT
[#22]
Court said they do not have the authority to redefine.
Which means braces, and reset trigger cases are likely going to win Same premise. |
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Posted: 7/18/2023 10:53:14 PM EDT
[#23]
ATF Lower Receiver Ban Is Back From The Grave!
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Posted: 7/18/2023 10:56:45 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryDo we have any non-clickbait sources reporting this? |
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Posted: 7/18/2023 11:00:52 PM EDT
[#25]
From FPC
FORT WORTH, TX (July 18, 2023) – Today, Firearms Policy Coalition (FPC) and FPC Action Foundation (FPCAF) responded to a federal judge granting a 7-day administrative stay on the summary judgment he issued for the plaintiffs in VanDerStok v. Garland, which challenges the ATF’s “frame or receiver” rule. The order can be viewed at FPCLegal.org. “Defendants ask this Court to consider their motion on an expedited basis and issue a decision no later than 10:00 a.m. CDT on July 24, 2023,” wrote Federal District Court Judge Reed O’Connor in his Order. “Having considered the motion, the Court summarily DENIES the request for a stay pending appeal but STAYS the applicability of its Opinion and Final Judgment for 7 days in order that Defendants may seek emergency appellate relief.” “While we’re disappointed that the Court has stayed the applicability of its Opinion and Final Judgment vacating ATF’s Frame or Receiver Rule, we’re confident that this will be temporary and that the Court’s Judgment will be reinstated,” said Cody J. Wisniewski, FPCAF’s Senior Attorney for Constitutional Litigation and FPC’s counsel in this case. “We have already defeated the ATF’s unlawful and unconstitutional rule at the district court, and we’ll do the same at the Fifth Circuit.” Plaintiffs in this case are two individuals, Tactical Machining, LLC, and FPC. FPCAF represents the Plaintiffs, alongside Mountain States Legal Foundation. Another YouTuber  BREAKING NEWS: Judge Stays Decision That Vacated ATF Frame/Receiver Rule! |
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Posted: 7/18/2023 11:05:03 PM EDT
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Posted: 7/25/2023 12:51:52 PM EDT
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Posted: 7/27/2023 8:10:17 PM EDT
[#28]
Very interesting update today. ATF is going for broke.
 BREAKING: ATF just took Frames and Receivers to SCOTUS... DEMAND a STAY OR HEAR THE CASE... IT'S ON |
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Posted: 7/27/2023 11:51:24 PM EDT
[#29]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Very interesting update today. ATF is going for broke.  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5VXH6YNB3z0I can practically hear Clarence Thomas' eyes glowing from here. |
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Posted: 7/28/2023 3:05:04 AM EDT
[#30]
I hope so.
I hope he climbs into their ass and stomps that mudhole dry. |
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Posted: 7/28/2023 3:11:32 AM EDT
[#31]
Quote HistoryQuoted: you know Bruen was NRA right? Wrong. It was NRA-ILA. NOT the same thing... |
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Posted: 7/28/2023 5:37:18 AM EDT
[#32]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Thanks FPC. Imagine if the NRA this kind of thing for the last 40 years. Wish they had been around in 1934 and 1968. NRA was worthless. |
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Posted: 7/28/2023 9:04:01 PM EDT
[#33]
BREAKING NEWS: Supreme Court STAYS FPC Frame/Receiver Victory
 BREAKING NEWS: Supreme Court STAYS FPC Frame/Receiver Victory |
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Posted: 7/28/2023 9:09:10 PM EDT
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Posted: 7/28/2023 9:29:44 PM EDT
[#35]
now its a party!
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Posted: 7/28/2023 9:51:02 PM EDT
[#36]
Quote HistoryQuoted: BREAKING NEWS: Supreme Court STAYS FPC Frame/Receiver Victory https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KlVMoWLv20AThats not good |
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Posted: 7/28/2023 10:13:20 PM EDT
[#37]
Justice Alito entered the administrative stay on the vacature until August 4th (Friday) at 5:00 PM, so one week.
He asked for a response from from the plaintiffs (our side) to be submitted by 5:00 PM on Wednesday (August 2nd). This is moving along very quickly, especially for a USSC case. |
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Posted: 7/29/2023 8:28:01 AM EDT
[#38]
The NRA was like Schoolboards. We falsely trusted them to do right.
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Posted: 7/29/2023 8:30:59 AM EDT
[#39]
Quote HistoryQuoted: The NRA was like Schoolboards. We falsely trusted them to do right. Scotus just put the stay in effect. Perhaps we are repeating our mistake with misplaced faith. |
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Posted: 7/29/2023 8:35:18 AM EDT
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[tweet]#2A Do Not Worry. Four Boxes Diner video coming out on this to clarify the procedural posture. Bottom line: the Supreme Court really only extended the current administrative stay in place by 24 hours, i.e, from August 3 to August 4---and all because the Solicitor General of the… https://t.co/LqUB9e7M9f— Mark W. Smith/#2A Scholar (@fourboxesdiner) July 29, 2023 [/tweet]
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Posted: 7/29/2023 8:40:30 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Justice Alito entered the administrative stay on the vacature until August 4th (Friday) at 5:00 PM, so one week. He asked for a response from from the plaintiffs (our side) to be submitted by 5:00 PM on Wednesday (August 2nd). This is moving along very quickly, especially for a USSC case. That is absurdly fast. While I should be less optimistic, I want to say that this may be some kind of thing to show that the AFT is getting a "fair chance" before they're completely blown out of the water. But really it's probably just the result of extortion. |
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Posted: 7/29/2023 10:03:54 AM EDT
[#42]
Quote HistoryQuoted: That is absurdly fast. While I should be less optimistic, I want to say that this may be some kind of thing to show that the AFT is getting a "fair chance" before they're completely blown out of the water. But really it's probably just the result of extortion. SCOTUS has made it crystal clear in multiple different rulings that the mandarins cannot just make up laws as their feels go. Writing laws is above their powers. Yet the mandarins keep trying to find clever ways to shit new laws out, or bend existing laws into pretzels. I think SCOTUS has had enough of this foolishness. The ATF is about it get an extra hard smackdown. |
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Posted: 7/29/2023 10:14:32 AM EDT
[#43]
Quote HistoryQuoted: This ruling is likely going to help the guy who got clipped for auto sear drawings too. The ATF can’t regulate anything below 80% complete. FPC is absolutely fucking awesome. I just joined and donated last month but I’m going to go donate again. I signed up for $30/month auto pay from my debit card. 
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Posted: 7/29/2023 10:25:34 AM EDT
[#44]
Quote HistoryQuoted: FPC and GoA are awesome, the NRA was never as good. Well the Democrats need a new boogy man....lol Red |
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Posted: 7/29/2023 10:38:46 AM EDT
[#45]
Quote HistoryQuoted: This ruling is likely going to help the guy who got clipped for auto sear drawings too. The ATF can’t regulate anything below 80% complete. FPC is absolutely fucking awesome. I just joined and donated last month but I’m going to go donate again. Percent completion is legally immaterial, either an object meets the criteria of a firearm(frame/receiver) by statute or it doesn't. ATF is essentially trying to say "well this thing that isn't a firearm is pretty close to being made into one, so we are going to regulate them as though they are because the people can make their own firearms too easily." That was basically the comment I left during the comment period, but I'm sure it wasn't anything that hadn't already occured to them as the comments are really just procedural. I have little doubt the ATF is on the fast track to getting cock slapped. It's never been against the law for Americans to make their own firearms, and ATF is pretty clearly legislating by rule with this one. |
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Posted: 7/29/2023 11:44:57 AM EDT
[#46]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I look at it from the opposite direction. SCOTUS has made it crystal clear in multiple different rulings that the mandarins cannot just make up laws as their feels go. Writing laws is above their powers. Yet the mandarins keep trying to find clever ways to shit new laws out, or bend existing laws into pretzels. I think SCOTUS has had enough of this foolishness. The ATF is about it get an extra hard smackdown. I hope you are right but it may be us gun owners who get the smack down. |
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Posted: 7/29/2023 1:00:44 PM EDT
[#47]
Quote HistoryQuoted: This ruling is likely going to help the guy who got clipped for auto sear drawings too. The ATF can’t regulate anything below 80% complete. FPC is absolutely fucking awesome. I just joined and donated last month but I’m going to go donate again. Wtf! Someone got arrested for pictures? Good god! |
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Posted: 7/29/2023 3:53:33 PM EDT
[#48]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Wtf! Someone got arrested for pictures? Good god! Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: This ruling is likely going to help the guy who got clipped for auto sear drawings too. The ATF can’t regulate anything below 80% complete. FPC is absolutely fucking awesome. I just joined and donated last month but I’m going to go donate again. Wtf! Someone got arrested for pictures? Good god! probably refering to the autokey card where they obstentively had laser engraved the outline of an autosear on a piece of sheet metal. |
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Posted: 8/3/2023 9:26:18 PM EDT
[#49]
BREAKING--ATF PANICKING: DOJ Files "Whiny" Brief to Supreme Court Begging it to Overlook Federal Law
 BREAKING--ATF PANICKING: DOJ Files "Whiny" Brief to Supreme Court Begging it to Overlook Federal Law https://www.supremecourt.gov/DocketPDF/23/23A82/274604/20230803162831282_VanDerStok Stay Reply vf 023A82.pdf |
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Posted: 8/3/2023 9:31:09 PM EDT
[#50]
from yesterday
BREAKING JUST IN: Major Legal Brief Filed in SCOTUS Destroying ATF's Flawed “Ghost Gun” Ban  BREAKING JUST IN: Major Legal Brief Filed in SCOTUS Destroying ATF's Flawed "Ghost Gun" Ban https://www.supremecourt.gov/DocketPDF/23/23A82/274511/20230802162019194_2023-08-02VanDerStok- Resp in Oppn to Stay vf.pdf |
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