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Posted: 3/20/2023 6:41:51 PM EDT
[#1]
Quote HistoryQuoted: If he isn’t fired and something happens, your company will be sued, and lose This. Saw a similar situation occur a while back. Supervisor on duty diffused the situation and let the guy who made the threat go back to work. The next day both the supervisor and the guy who made the threat were fired. |
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Posted: 3/20/2023 6:44:24 PM EDT
[#2]
Quote HistoryQuoted: This. The last person to threaten me with violence, did not take kindly to me telling him, "to keep his cockbeaters off my tools", repeatedly. Fuck 'em. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Fired immediately and trespassed. Victim given opportunity to report the threat to LE while on site for trespass. This. The last person to threaten me with violence, did not take kindly to me telling him, "to keep his cockbeaters off my tools", repeatedly. Fuck 'em. Same here. I got tired of supplying half of the techs in the shop with tools on a daily basis. I wasn't creative enough though. I just told them not to touch my fucking tools you bunch of mooch motherfuckers (in front of the shop owner). Shop owner was just as bad actually. |
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Posted: 3/20/2023 6:45:35 PM EDT
[#3]
immediate termination.
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Posted: 3/20/2023 6:46:12 PM EDT
[#4]
You fire them. Not because you think there’s a 0.001% chance they’ll make good on their threat, but because only idiot assholes make threats.
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Posted: 3/20/2023 7:00:50 PM EDT
[#5]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Glad I don't work for some of you lol. How about speaking to them first? The other employee could/would hire an attorney to sue the company for creating/fostering an unsafe work environment. Failure to fire the offending employee would be characterized as condonation. They have to go. |
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Posted: 3/20/2023 7:06:40 PM EDT
[#6]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Glad I don't work for some of you lol. How about speaking to them first? Unfortunately the world doesn’t work that way anymore. |
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Posted: 3/20/2023 7:17:33 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: And construction. When did men become such scared pussies? the only pussy is the one thinking they can threaten someone with violence because of some supposed slight. |
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Posted: 3/20/2023 7:19:26 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Fired immediately and trespassed. Victim given opportunity to report the threat to LE while on site for trespass. Liability wise..imma gonna vote with DaveJRSC, sadly, 20 years ago, a severe reprimand and one time warning...today, they're gonna sue YOU for not firing them and if they do something violent and you stood by? Going to own you, your house, fuck your wife once a week and the right to your first born for 5 generations |
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Posted: 3/20/2023 7:20:02 PM EDT
[#9]
I have seen worse. A manager grabbed a coworker by the neck. I told him that he needed to report it to HR immediately or I would. I have seen everyone in a room fired for seeing unsat activity and not reporting it, including the victim.
Manager was immediately walked out. This was easily a $120000/year mistake. I got to pillage the fuckers office, he had a lot of brand new, virgin equipment.  I still have his tool kit in the OEM Haliburton Zero case.
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Posted: 3/20/2023 7:21:51 PM EDT
[#10]
This depends almost entirely on the occupation in question.
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Posted: 3/20/2023 7:22:00 PM EDT
[#11]
I would immediately report him/her to the DEI office.
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Posted: 3/20/2023 7:22:05 PM EDT
[#12]
 Mad Max Beyond Thunderdome (1985) - Two Men Enter, One Man Leaves Scene (4/9) | Movieclips |
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Posted: 3/20/2023 7:22:27 PM EDT
[#13]
Muh body iz redy
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Posted: 3/20/2023 7:23:26 PM EDT
[#14]
Quoted: Let's say the target of the threats can not be reasonably argued as to having provoked Sounds like 2023 faggot bullshit. It takes two to tango. If there is CLEARLY an aggressor and and innocent, that's one thing. But one of them engaged then trying to throw the other one as the aggressor out if the blue-that's bullshit. Depends on compete story, at a minimum one terminated. More likely both terminated. Management sets themselves up for tons of bullshit if they try and parse the situation. Better to cut the entire cancerous situation out, let the bodies hit the floor. You won't have any more of it |
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Posted: 3/20/2023 7:23:27 PM EDT
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Probably escorted out of the building and mail their final check. HOWEVER, if there were significant extenuating circumstances outside of work (mom just died or something else highly significant) AND the person in question had no prior instances AND the person threatened was OK a with it a second chance is in order
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Posted: 3/20/2023 7:23:34 PM EDT
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Quoted: Let's say the target of the threats can not be reasonably argued as to having provoked the other employee. Employee flips out because he did not like what the other employee had to say about business related matters. Threatens violence outside of work. Employee later apologies. What level of discipline/consequence would you think is appropriate for a situation like this? Fire them both. |
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Posted: 3/20/2023 7:25:46 PM EDT
[#17]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Fire them both. Yep |
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Posted: 3/20/2023 7:28:18 PM EDT
[#18]
Witnesses?
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Posted: 3/20/2023 7:28:21 PM EDT
[#19]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Sounds like an everyday occurrence in the oilfield. Not anymore. It's the new softer oilfield now. The wrong person hears that and you'll be off location pretty quick. I've seen it personally. |
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Posted: 3/20/2023 7:28:49 PM EDT
[#20]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Fire them both. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Let's say the target of the threats can not be reasonably argued as to having provoked the other employee. Employee flips out because he did not like what the other employee had to say about business related matters. Threatens violence outside of work. Employee later apologies. What level of discipline/consequence would you think is appropriate for a situation like this? Fire them both. Yep. It’s not even a difficult decision |
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Posted: 3/20/2023 7:28:49 PM EDT
[#21]
Quote HistoryQuoted: This is an angle that may present mitigating circumstances. If it's a disabled veteran black midget trans pregnant birthing person threatening a straight old white guy, then the threatener gets promoted for being stunning and brave, and the white guy gets fired for being sickitating. Ze is just sharing zairs truth, and we must provide space for them to burn and express zairselves. Me on the other hand, the last time I got in trouble for workplace violence, I was a guard at a construction site, and two trades guys were going at it with hammers. They had been pushing hard, out of state, and found out they were missing thanksgiving to complete the job. Apparently I cannot, carrying a gun and a TASER, lock the door and tell everyone to put their phones down until they settle their differences, just tell me if they have insurance because that changes where I'll send second place. (Shrugs). Just don't make extra work for the paint guys. Or me. I don't bandaid tradespeople. I thought it was innovative and leading from the front. |
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Posted: 3/20/2023 7:29:15 PM EDT
[#22]
Immediate termination.
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Posted: 3/20/2023 7:29:45 PM EDT
[#23]
We had an employee back another one up against a wall, with threats of violence. A manager stepped between them. The aggressor put his hands up like he was going to swing, so the manager pushed him back, and security was called.
Aggressive employee was black, the guy he was pushing against the wall and the manager were white. The manager had to attend sensitivity training. Aggressive employee had nothing done to him. So the manager quit. |
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Posted: 3/20/2023 7:32:15 PM EDT
[#24]
Quote HistoryQuoted: the only pussy is the one thinking they can threaten someone with violence because of some supposed slight. I've been hearing threats at work for over 30 years. I'm not gonna call HR or the police every time some asshole tries to scare me. ETA - This doesn't mean I encourage confrontation. I (almost) always try de-escalation. |
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Posted: 3/20/2023 7:33:00 PM EDT
[#25]
Quote HistoryQuoted: We had an employee back another one up against a wall, with threats of violence. A manager stepped between them. The aggressor put his hands up like he was going to swing, so the manager pushed him back, and security was called. Aggressive employee was black, the guy he was pushing against the wall and the manager were white. The manager had to attend sensitivity training. Aggressive employee had nothing done to him. So the manager quit. The manager was the aggressor. |
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Posted: 3/20/2023 7:33:11 PM EDT
[#26]
Fired on the spot or trial by combat. No half steppin
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Posted: 3/20/2023 7:33:22 PM EDT
[#27]
Quote HistoryQuoted: If he ends up killing someone, who’s gonna get sued? Why take the chance?  |
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Posted: 3/20/2023 7:36:19 PM EDT
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Posted: 3/20/2023 7:37:24 PM EDT
[#29]
I worked at a Teamsters shop that both parties were fired even if one didn’t fight back.
Saw several good fist fights outside the gate after hours. Had a leadman scared shitless that I was taking him out the door with me because I’d told him once that the day I quit or get fired is the day he gets laid out cold.  Can’t do that shit anymore. |
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Posted: 3/20/2023 7:39:50 PM EDT
[#30]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I've been hearing threats at work for over 30 years. I'm not gonna call HR or the police every time some asshole tries to scare me. as an employee I wouldn't personally make much of it. As an employer shitcanned right there. If there was provocation both of them. It's a business not a schoolyard. There is no place for that shit. |
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Posted: 3/20/2023 7:40:12 PM EDT
[#31]
2 men enter. 1 man leaves.
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Posted: 3/20/2023 7:40:50 PM EDT
[#32]
Depends.
If a civilian contractor they were terminated immediately as in escorted off the command by three armed guards and a couple of senior government officials. If a government employee you can actually strike your superior, a couple of times, in the face, and then days later even after counseling, you can strike them again ... and get a one year suspension (with full pay and benefits).  Funny place this world. It's not fair. |
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Posted: 3/20/2023 7:40:57 PM EDT
[#33]
Promoted to customer
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Posted: 3/20/2023 7:41:17 PM EDT
[#34]
Quote HistoryQuoted: 2 men enter. 1 man leaves. thunderdome was my first thought |
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Posted: 3/20/2023 7:41:45 PM EDT
[#35]
I love these threads.... so many "shall not be infringed" types who are also 100% on board with zero tolerance policies.
A lot of confused folks I guess. |
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Posted: 3/20/2023 7:42:57 PM EDT
[#36]
Who is the better worker?
Is it regarding shitty performance by the target? If so, get rid of the target and tell the other one to not do it again. Kharn |
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Posted: 3/20/2023 7:43:13 PM EDT
[#37]
Quoted: Let's say the target of the threats can not be reasonably argued as to having provoked the other employee. Employee flips out because he did not like what the other employee had to say about business related matters. Threatens violence outside of work. Employee later apologies. What level of discipline/consequence would you think is appropriate for a situation like this? Fired. |
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Posted: 3/20/2023 7:44:11 PM EDT
[#38]
Blue collar factory work.
We used to stop the freight elevator between floors and let them sort it out. The shipping warehouse actually had a boxing ring out of pallets for a couple years until HR got wind of it. |
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Posted: 3/20/2023 7:44:17 PM EDT
[#39]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I love these threads.... so many "shall not be infringed" types who are also 100% on board with zero tolerance policies. A lot of confused folks I guess. the government infringing on someones rights is not the same as an employer condoning violence in their place of business. It's also precisely because of shall not be infringed that violence is not tolerated. I aint getting in a fucking fist fight. You try to kick my ass and I will defend myself with the best tools I have available. Armed society is polite society. |
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Posted: 3/20/2023 7:44:21 PM EDT
[#40]
Quote HistoryQuoted: as an employee I wouldn't personally make much of it. As an employer shitcanned right there. If there was provocation both of them. It's a business not a schoolyard. There is no place for that shit. I guess I'm living in a much different era.  If you're the employer, then your rules supercede.  ETA - @Obo2 Being an employer comes with different responsibilities and liabilities. I get it, but I come from a different generation. Either way... 
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Posted: 3/20/2023 7:50:33 PM EDT
[#41]
Well OP is in California so i doubt LE will do shit.
That said the behavior is not acceptable. There is probably a cause in the employee contract that specifically states exactly what to do depending on the job/ business. While we all miss being able to settle things man to man behind the woodshed, we don’t live there any more. Any threats of violence should be taken seriously and reported. Can you offer any more context to what specific threats were made? Is this a first offense or is this a pattern of behavior? Does this employee have anything happening in their life that’s causing additional stress? Employee should be suspended pending investigation, likely to include termination. That said, that kind of thing could very easily be a trigger. Might sound counterintuitive and liability is a thing, but maybe this guy needs a serious come to Jesus meeting and some professional help, be it mandated by a court or not. |
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Posted: 3/20/2023 7:50:37 PM EDT
[#42]
Pillow fight
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Posted: 3/20/2023 7:55:25 PM EDT
[#43]
A shop I used to work at would give the two boxing gloves and the employees formed a ring and watched the fight. It was done back in the warehouse. Good times
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Posted: 3/20/2023 8:02:50 PM EDT
[#44]
Quote HistoryQuoted: ...I got to pillage the fuckers office, he had a lot of brand new, virgin equipment. I still have his tool kit in the OEM Haliburton Zero case. Stuff without company asset tags is GTG if you work in security or IT.
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Posted: 3/20/2023 8:26:06 PM EDT
[#45]
Why haven't there been any "two men enter, one man leaves"/Thunderdome posts? Not one single one? None at all? I mean, that would fucking hilarious if somebody would post that. Fucking. Hilarious.
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Posted: 3/20/2023 8:31:09 PM EDT
[#46]
I had some weirdo threaten to come to my house the other day and kick my ass. It's a neighbor and the guy that handles the internet satelite out here. He installed the reciever on my cabin and set up my service.
I don't know him very well other than calling him to report a loss of my internet signal and did the other day. He asked if I wanted to hear some neighborhood gossip about another neighbor and I said sure. He then proceeded to tell me if I repeated it he was going to come to my house and 'kick your ass.' I didn't tell him because I didn't want him to flip the "off" switch on my internet service but I have a 'no ass whipping policy', as I slid my G19 in it's kydex holster out of the way on my desk. |
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Posted: 3/20/2023 8:32:48 PM EDT
[#47]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Immediate termination. This. If the employee follows through on the threat, your company will be sued into oblivion by the victim. |
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Posted: 3/20/2023 9:03:16 PM EDT
[#48]
I retired 1-Feb-21 after 43 year in the Oilpatch....
When I was a young Roughneck in Texas and Offshore - if someone talked shiite - there was a better than even chance of it being settled physically. Was just the way it was.... and most times it was settled with some facial bruising, etc., and everyone went back to work and all was fine. Or else the loser was kicking rocks down the road.... By the time I retired from mega oil corp - it was cause for Termination. Not saying the old ways was better but.... in many ways it was... You knew where you stood and you knew that if you talked shiiite that you was likely to be called out ..... FAFO ha ! |
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Posted: 3/20/2023 9:55:00 PM EDT
[#49]
Quote HistoryQuoted: A shop I used to work at would give the two boxing gloves and the employees formed a ring and watched the fight. It was done back in the warehouse. Good times What if the aggressor was in his twenties and 220 lbs and liked to fight and the other guy was late fifties, 150 lbs and just wanted to do his job and be left alone? |
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Posted: 3/20/2023 10:32:33 PM EDT
[#50]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Who is the better worker? Is it regarding shitty performance by the target? If so, get rid of the target and tell the other one to not do it again. Kharny |
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