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Posted: 10/1/2022 3:35:06 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Mach]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Alacran: It’s interesting that the dollar used to be backed by gold, then we went off the gold standard in favor of the petrodollar, and now the powers that be are trying to do away with fossil fuels in favor of solar panels, wind power, & electric vehicles. It’s also interesting that Germany is a big gas & diesel automaker among other things but that manufacturing depends, or rather depended on natural gas from Russia. When the quasi-petrodollar goes away, what will the new digital currency be backed with? Thin air?  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x-xik96nX1kEverybody used to be on the gold standard. Countries took each others currency and then settled the net difference with the transfer of gold. Then all countries went off the gold standard. The petro dollar is a reserve currency but it does not back other currencies. Govt central banks keep dollars to pay for oil, that is why it is called the petro dollar. Other currencies, just like the US dollar is backed by nothing. The only difference is that when the fed creates more dollars, the dollar doesn't get diluted as much on the international exchange as other currencies because dollars buy oil. The dollar, as other currencies, is currently backed by thin air called the faith and full credit of the US govt. |
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Posted: 10/1/2022 3:43:10 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Alacran: Putin and Russia look at Ukraine as a fight for their very survival. Pushing a country equipped with nuclear weapons to this point is absolutely insane. Only the Western version of Clown World would try making Dr. Strangelove become a reality, but here we are.... Snip… Except it is not actually a fight for Russia’s survival, regardless of his claims. No one, not even the Ukrainians, has suggested invading Russia, except for the few limited attacks to hit infrastructure just across the border, and those only insofar as they impact the fighting within Ukraine. I suspect this is more about maintaining the status the USSR once had than about survival. That said, I believe Putin would have no compunction about using nuclear weapons if he thought he could get away with it. So all this bluster coming from the Russians is just a feint to see who blinks. If we blink, Putin will nuke Ukraine on the battlefield. And if there is a tepid response, he will nuke Kiev. And if that doesn’t draw a response, then everybody gets a nuke. |
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Posted: 10/1/2022 3:46:09 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Canoeguy]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By amannamedjed: Except it is not actually a fight for Russia’s survival, regardless of his claims. No one, not even the Ukrainians, has suggested invading Russia, except for the few limited attacks to hit infrastructure just across the border, and those only insofar as they impact the fighting within Ukraine. I suspect this is more about maintaining the status the USSR once had than about survival. That said, I believe Putin would have no compunction about using nuclear weapons if he thought he could get away with it. So all this bluster coming from the Russians is just a feint to see who blinks. If we blink, Putin will nuke Ukraine on the battlefield. And if there is a tepid response, he will nuke Kiev. And if that doesn’t draw a response, then everybody gets a nuke. According to Russia, Ukraine is fighting in their borders as we speak. Contrived I realize, but… |
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Posted: 10/1/2022 3:52:44 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Mach: Everybody used to be on the gold standard. Countries took each others currency and then settled the net difference with the transfer of gold. Then all countries went off the gold standard. The petro dollar is a reserve currency but it does not back other currencies. Govt central banks keep dollars to pay for oil, that is why it is called the petro dollar. Other currencies, just like the US dollar is backed by nothing. The only difference is that when the fed creates more dollars, the dollar doesn't get diluted as much on the international exchange as other currencies because dollars buy oil. The dollar, as other currencies, is currently backed by thin air called the faith and full credit of the US govt. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Mach: Originally Posted By Alacran: It’s interesting that the dollar used to be backed by gold, then we went off the gold standard in favor of the petrodollar, and now the powers that be are trying to do away with fossil fuels in favor of solar panels, wind power, & electric vehicles. It’s also interesting that Germany is a big gas & diesel automaker among other things but that manufacturing depends, or rather depended on natural gas from Russia. When the quasi-petrodollar goes away, what will the new digital currency be backed with? Thin air? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x-xik96nX1kEverybody used to be on the gold standard. Countries took each others currency and then settled the net difference with the transfer of gold. Then all countries went off the gold standard. The petro dollar is a reserve currency but it does not back other currencies. Govt central banks keep dollars to pay for oil, that is why it is called the petro dollar. Other currencies, just like the US dollar is backed by nothing. The only difference is that when the fed creates more dollars, the dollar doesn't get diluted as much on the international exchange as other currencies because dollars buy oil. The dollar, as other currencies, is currently backed by thin air called the faith and full credit of the US govt. So, you’re saying it’s value is all just an illusion?  It seems that many of the BRICS nations and those wanting to join are mostly oil rich countries. What if they created their own petrodollar? I’ve speculated before that things were shaping up to be a global war with NATO vs BRICS. Could this Ukraine thing be a war for control of currency instead of “freedom” for a country that no one really cared about until recently? |
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Posted: 10/1/2022 3:58:00 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By amannamedjed: Except it is not actually a fight for Russia’s survival, regardless of his claims. No one, not even the Ukrainians, has suggested invading Russia, except for the few limited attacks to hit infrastructure just across the border, and those only insofar as they impact the fighting within Ukraine. I suspect this is more about maintaining the status the USSR once had than about survival. That said, I believe Putin would have no compunction about using nuclear weapons if he thought he could get away with it. So all this bluster coming from the Russians is just a feint to see who blinks. If we blink, Putin will nuke Ukraine on the battlefield. And if there is a tepid response, he will nuke Kiev. And if that doesn’t draw a response, then everybody gets a nuke. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By amannamedjed: Originally Posted By Alacran: Putin and Russia look at Ukraine as a fight for their very survival. Pushing a country equipped with nuclear weapons to this point is absolutely insane. Only the Western version of Clown World would try making Dr. Strangelove become a reality, but here we are.... Snip… Except it is not actually a fight for Russia’s survival, regardless of his claims. No one, not even the Ukrainians, has suggested invading Russia, except for the few limited attacks to hit infrastructure just across the border, and those only insofar as they impact the fighting within Ukraine. I suspect this is more about maintaining the status the USSR once had than about survival. That said, I believe Putin would have no compunction about using nuclear weapons if he thought he could get away with it. So all this bluster coming from the Russians is just a feint to see who blinks. If we blink, Putin will nuke Ukraine on the battlefield. And if there is a tepid response, he will nuke Kiev. And if that doesn’t draw a response, then everybody gets a nuke. Just as the motivation for some religious wars, it doesn’t matter if we really believe it or not. What matters is if they really believe it. Russia has a history of fighting invaders. |
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Posted: 10/1/2022 4:27:48 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By devildog93: That is a pipe dream. I don't think the Russians give up their toys easily. History would tell us they will burn it to the ground before giving territory away. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By devildog93: Originally Posted By planemaker: The west would support Ukraine deleting the Russian Army (and the rest of their forces) and using sanctions to destroy the Russian economy to the point of collapse so that Russia would no longer be a threat to the rest of the world (including us). Further, they would no longer be a threat to the food supply of dozens of nations, the point of the thread. So, not only is collapsing Russia sane (just as collapsing the Soviet Union in the past was the right move), it's time has come due to the stupidity/ego of Putin. That is a pipe dream. I don't think the Russians give up their toys easily. History would tell us they will burn it to the ground before giving territory away. Putin reminds me of my ex wife. She'd cause +1 level of hurt to me even if it meant +9 level of hurt to her. I believe Putin to no longer be rational if he ever was. |
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Posted: 10/1/2022 4:32:03 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Alacran: It’s interesting that the dollar used to be backed by gold, then we went off the gold standard in favor of the petrodollar, and now the powers that be are trying to do away with fossil fuels in favor of solar panels, wind power, & electric vehicles. It’s also interesting that Germany is a big gas & diesel automaker among other things but that manufacturing depends, or rather depended on natural gas from Russia. When the quasi-petrodollar goes away, what will the new digital currency be backed with? Thin air? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x-xik96nX1kYou hit it right on the nose. Infinite spending with no comebacks. A Totalitarians dream. |
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Posted: 10/1/2022 5:02:57 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Alacran: It’s interesting that the dollar used to be backed by gold, then we went off the gold standard in favor of the petrodollar, and now the powers that be are trying to do away with fossil fuels in favor of solar panels, wind power, & electric vehicles. It’s also interesting that Germany is a big gas & diesel automaker among other things but that manufacturing depends, or rather depended on natural gas from Russia. When the quasi-petrodollar goes away, what will the new digital currency be backed with? Thin air? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x-xik96nX1kIt will be backed by "the full faith and credit of the United States gov"... so what's that worth? Depends on whether the Constitution is being followed, or a sick, evil and corrupt ideology is running things, like today. Biden's masters will crash the dollar and replace it. People need to remember history and learn from it. The federal government forced citizens and corporations to hand over all their gold coins and bullion in exchange for paper money at vastly undervalued rates in 1933. Right after the president illegally closed banks for a number of days to prevent citizens from withdrawing their money. Americans were told they must accept as money whatever the government told them to accept, and at whatever rate they were told to accept it. Requiring gold as payment was outlawed, as was private gold ownership. It happened before and can happen again. |
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Posted: 10/1/2022 5:07:22 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Alacran: So, you’re saying it’s value is all just an illusion? It seems that many of the BRICS nations and those wanting to join are mostly oil rich countries. What if they created their own petrodollar? I’ve speculated before that things were shaping up to be a global war with NATO vs BRICS. Could this Ukraine thing be a war for control of currency instead of “freedom” for a country that no one really cared about until recently? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Alacran: Originally Posted By Mach: Originally Posted By Alacran: It’s interesting that the dollar used to be backed by gold, then we went off the gold standard in favor of the petrodollar, and now the powers that be are trying to do away with fossil fuels in favor of solar panels, wind power, & electric vehicles. It’s also interesting that Germany is a big gas & diesel automaker among other things but that manufacturing depends, or rather depended on natural gas from Russia. When the quasi-petrodollar goes away, what will the new digital currency be backed with? Thin air? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x-xik96nX1kEverybody used to be on the gold standard. Countries took each others currency and then settled the net difference with the transfer of gold. Then all countries went off the gold standard. The petro dollar is a reserve currency but it does not back other currencies. Govt central banks keep dollars to pay for oil, that is why it is called the petro dollar. Other currencies, just like the US dollar is backed by nothing. The only difference is that when the fed creates more dollars, the dollar doesn't get diluted as much on the international exchange as other currencies because dollars buy oil. The dollar, as other currencies, is currently backed by thin air called the faith and full credit of the US govt. So, you’re saying it’s value is all just an illusion? It seems that many of the BRICS nations and those wanting to join are mostly oil rich countries. What if they created their own petrodollar? I’ve speculated before that things were shaping up to be a global war with NATO vs BRICS. Could this Ukraine thing be a war for control of currency instead of “freedom” for a country that no one really cared about until recently? No. This isn’t about the petro-dollar. The US dollar isn’t going anywhere. In fact it will likely get a lot stronger as people will “flee to safety” as the world gets more uncertain. For better or worse, we have the world’s most capable military and are now the world’s largest producer of oil. |
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Posted: 10/1/2022 5:34:39 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By viralinsurgency: It will be backed by "the full faith and credit of the United States gov"... so what's that worth? Depends on whether the Constitution is being followed, or a sick, evil and corrupt ideology is running things, like today. Biden's masters will crash the dollar and replace it. People need to remember history and learn from it. The federal government forced citizens and corporations to hand over all their gold coins and bullion in exchange for paper money at vastly undervalued rates in 1933. Right after the president illegally closed banks for a number of days to prevent citizens from withdrawing their money. Americans were told they must accept as money whatever the government told them to accept, and at whatever rate they were told to accept it. Requiring gold as payment was outlawed, as was private gold ownership. It happened before and can happen again. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By viralinsurgency: Originally Posted By Alacran: It’s interesting that the dollar used to be backed by gold, then we went off the gold standard in favor of the petrodollar, and now the powers that be are trying to do away with fossil fuels in favor of solar panels, wind power, & electric vehicles. It’s also interesting that Germany is a big gas & diesel automaker among other things but that manufacturing depends, or rather depended on natural gas from Russia. When the quasi-petrodollar goes away, what will the new digital currency be backed with? Thin air? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x-xik96nX1kIt will be backed by "the full faith and credit of the United States gov"... so what's that worth? Depends on whether the Constitution is being followed, or a sick, evil and corrupt ideology is running things, like today. Biden's masters will crash the dollar and replace it. People need to remember history and learn from it. The federal government forced citizens and corporations to hand over all their gold coins and bullion in exchange for paper money at vastly undervalued rates in 1933. Right after the president illegally closed banks for a number of days to prevent citizens from withdrawing their money. Americans were told they must accept as money whatever the government told them to accept, and at whatever rate they were told to accept it. Requiring gold as payment was outlawed, as was private gold ownership. It happened before and can happen again. Carefull. Those NWO boys will throw you in the gulag and beat the nationalism right out of you. The transfer of wealth continues until there is no more wealth left to transfer. |
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Posted: 10/1/2022 5:44:54 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Drakich: No. This isn’t about the petro-dollar. The US dollar isn’t going anywhere. In fact it will likely get a lot stronger as people will “flee to safety” as the world gets more uncertain. For better or worse, we have the world’s most capable military and are now the world’s largest producer of oil. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Drakich: Originally Posted By Alacran: Originally Posted By Mach: Originally Posted By Alacran: It’s interesting that the dollar used to be backed by gold, then we went off the gold standard in favor of the petrodollar, and now the powers that be are trying to do away with fossil fuels in favor of solar panels, wind power, & electric vehicles. It’s also interesting that Germany is a big gas & diesel automaker among other things but that manufacturing depends, or rather depended on natural gas from Russia. When the quasi-petrodollar goes away, what will the new digital currency be backed with? Thin air? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x-xik96nX1kEverybody used to be on the gold standard. Countries took each others currency and then settled the net difference with the transfer of gold. Then all countries went off the gold standard. The petro dollar is a reserve currency but it does not back other currencies. Govt central banks keep dollars to pay for oil, that is why it is called the petro dollar. Other currencies, just like the US dollar is backed by nothing. The only difference is that when the fed creates more dollars, the dollar doesn't get diluted as much on the international exchange as other currencies because dollars buy oil. The dollar, as other currencies, is currently backed by thin air called the faith and full credit of the US govt. So, you’re saying it’s value is all just an illusion? It seems that many of the BRICS nations and those wanting to join are mostly oil rich countries. What if they created their own petrodollar? I’ve speculated before that things were shaping up to be a global war with NATO vs BRICS. Could this Ukraine thing be a war for control of currency instead of “freedom” for a country that no one really cared about until recently? No. This isn’t about the petro-dollar. The US dollar isn’t going anywhere. In fact it will likely get a lot stronger as people will “flee to safety” as the world gets more uncertain. For better or worse, we have the world’s most capable military and are now the world’s largest producer of oil. I don’t see BRICS just sitting back and letting that continue to happen without a fight at some point. A worldwide nuclear war will have to be won for that plan to effectively happen unchallenged in the future. |
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Posted: 10/1/2022 6:45:22 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Alacran: I’m sure it has nothing to do with keeping the petrodollar alive for a little while longer. I must say, I never took you for a kool-aid drinker, though.  Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Alacran: Originally Posted By planemaker: Originally Posted By Alacran: Originally Posted By planemaker: Originally Posted By Nailcrusher: Originally Posted By Alacran: Michael Yon@MichaelYon 12 hours ago Casus Belli for Preemptive Nuclear Strike On Russia 01 October 2022 Dublin, Ireland Mind dump, sans edit Watching it all unfold. They wave the corrupted Ukrainian flag. Even while fighting-aged Ukrainian men and women have swept away and can be found in capitals across Europe. This war is completely out of control — as it was destined. A small handful of well-placed globalists in United States, Germany, and more, have reached the state of euphoric war trance. Oblivious to the oblivion aimed at their faces. Or maybe they just welcome death. Some people use war for suicide. This is clear: Demons in charge of America’s nuclear weapons are creating casus belli for preemptive strike on Russia. And if Demons are to hit Russia, Demons likely will go all in for North Korea, Iran, and even China. They are, after all, the Demons who forced millions of Americans, Germans, and more, to ingest death jabs. Anyone who will do this will do anything. https://cdn.locals.com/images/posts/originals/91572/91572_spktx2nkyh2imoq.jpeg Michael Yon@MichaelYon 8 hours ago Putin’s Speech 01 October 2022 Dublin, Ireland I watched the entire speech. Many ‘analysts’ are busy trying to read his mind. They seem to pay less attention to his actual words and actions and instead construct psychological thrillers. Bottom line: Putin’s actions reveal that Russia is not backing down Putin says he and Russia are not backing down There is no evidence that Putin is beaten, or backing down There is physical evidence and verbal statements indicating Putin is doubling down Analysts would be better served listening closely to words, actions, and history, than playing Freud and Jung. This war clearly is intensifying. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XDdHRGcbffoNo, Putin isn’t or won’t back down. His place in history and Russias place in global standing for the foreseeable future will be determined by the outcome of this war. Whether right or wrong that’s just the way it is. And the politicians and globalists behind supporting Ukraine won’t back down. And this won’t stagnate. It will only intensify. Putin isn't in control of his or Russia's place in global standing. The west is. He can "not back down" all he desires but Russia losing is already baked into the cake. He should be thinking about whether he wants Russia to be a larger North Korea or give up the old Soviet mindset of global conquest. Those are his options. If he persists in following his ego vs sanity, Russia will become a big version of NK/Venezuela/Cuba. Putin and Russia look at Ukraine as a fight for their very survival. Pushing a country equipped with nuclear weapons to this point is absolutely insane. Only the Western version of Clown World would try making Dr. Strangelove become a reality, but here we are.... Why would we want a world without Russia? - Vladimir Putin, March 2018 “Why Do We Need a World if Russia Is Not In It?”: State TV Presenter Opens Show With Ominous Address Russian state television host Dmitry Kiselyov opened his Sunday primetime show with an ominous allusion to nuclear war. The comments came just hours after President Vladimir Putin ordered the Russian army to put its nuclear arsenal, the world's largest, on “high alert” in response to what he called "unfriendly" steps by the West. “Our submarines are capable of launching over 500 nuclear warheads, which guarantees the destruction of the U.S. and all NATO countries,” Kiselyov said on his weekly program, “Vesti Nedeli.” “Why do we need a world if Russia is not in it?” Kiselyov’s comments came hours after Putin announced he was placing Russia’s nuclear deterrence forces on “high alert,” citing “aggressive statements” and economic sanctions imposed on Moscow by NATO. https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2022/02/28/why-do-we-need-a-world-if-russia-is-not-in-it-state-tv-presenter-opens-show-with-ominous-address-a76653 The west would support Ukraine deleting the Russian Army (and the rest of their forces) and using sanctions to destroy the Russian economy to the point of collapse so that Russia would no longer be a threat to the rest of the world (including us). Further, they would no longer be a threat to the food supply of dozens of nations, the point of the thread. So, not only is collapsing Russia sane (just as collapsing the Soviet Union in the past was the right move), it's time has come due to the stupidity/ego of Putin. I’m sure it has nothing to do with keeping the petrodollar alive for a little while longer. I must say, I never took you for a kool-aid drinker, though. No kool-aid, simple logic. Ending Russia as a world threat is in everyone's best interests. |
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Posted: 10/1/2022 6:48:33 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By devildog93: That is a pipe dream. I don't think the Russians give up their toys easily. History would tell us they will burn it to the ground before giving territory away. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By devildog93: Originally Posted By planemaker: The west would support Ukraine deleting the Russian Army (and the rest of their forces) and using sanctions to destroy the Russian economy to the point of collapse so that Russia would no longer be a threat to the rest of the world (including us). Further, they would no longer be a threat to the food supply of dozens of nations, the point of the thread. So, not only is collapsing Russia sane (just as collapsing the Soviet Union in the past was the right move), it's time has come due to the stupidity/ego of Putin. That is a pipe dream. I don't think the Russians give up their toys easily. History would tell us they will burn it to the ground before giving territory away. History tells us exactly the opposite. When the Soviet Union fell, nothing happened at all other than the former Soviet states had to figure out how to make it on their own. Unfortunately, Russia chose the path of being run like a mafia rather than a civilized nation. When they collapse this time, they'll have another choice to make. Hopefully it will be better than the last one. |
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Posted: 10/1/2022 6:52:33 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Alacran: So, you’re saying it’s value is all just an illusion? It seems that many of the BRICS nations and those wanting to join are mostly oil rich countries. What if they created their own petrodollar? I’ve speculated before that things were shaping up to be a global war with NATO vs BRICS. Could this Ukraine thing be a war for control of currency instead of “freedom” for a country that no one really cared about until recently? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Alacran: Originally Posted By Mach: Originally Posted By Alacran: It’s interesting that the dollar used to be backed by gold, then we went off the gold standard in favor of the petrodollar, and now the powers that be are trying to do away with fossil fuels in favor of solar panels, wind power, & electric vehicles. It’s also interesting that Germany is a big gas & diesel automaker among other things but that manufacturing depends, or rather depended on natural gas from Russia. When the quasi-petrodollar goes away, what will the new digital currency be backed with? Thin air? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x-xik96nX1kEverybody used to be on the gold standard. Countries took each others currency and then settled the net difference with the transfer of gold. Then all countries went off the gold standard. The petro dollar is a reserve currency but it does not back other currencies. Govt central banks keep dollars to pay for oil, that is why it is called the petro dollar. Other currencies, just like the US dollar is backed by nothing. The only difference is that when the fed creates more dollars, the dollar doesn't get diluted as much on the international exchange as other currencies because dollars buy oil. The dollar, as other currencies, is currently backed by thin air called the faith and full credit of the US govt. So, you’re saying it’s value is all just an illusion? It seems that many of the BRICS nations and those wanting to join are mostly oil rich countries. What if they created their own petrodollar? I’ve speculated before that things were shaping up to be a global war with NATO vs BRICS. Could this Ukraine thing be a war for control of currency instead of “freedom” for a country that no one really cared about until recently? Kinetic wars are, as the Chinese have said (paraphrasing), "bad for business". The rich elites in the various countries don't want war because it's bad for their incomes. |
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Posted: 10/1/2022 7:25:32 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By planemaker: No kool-aid, simple logic. Ending Russia as a world threat is in everyone's best interests. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By planemaker: Originally Posted By Alacran: Originally Posted By planemaker: Originally Posted By Alacran: Originally Posted By planemaker: Originally Posted By Nailcrusher: Originally Posted By Alacran: Michael Yon@MichaelYon 12 hours ago Casus Belli for Preemptive Nuclear Strike On Russia 01 October 2022 Dublin, Ireland Mind dump, sans edit Watching it all unfold. They wave the corrupted Ukrainian flag. Even while fighting-aged Ukrainian men and women have swept away and can be found in capitals across Europe. This war is completely out of control — as it was destined. A small handful of well-placed globalists in United States, Germany, and more, have reached the state of euphoric war trance. Oblivious to the oblivion aimed at their faces. Or maybe they just welcome death. Some people use war for suicide. This is clear: Demons in charge of America’s nuclear weapons are creating casus belli for preemptive strike on Russia. And if Demons are to hit Russia, Demons likely will go all in for North Korea, Iran, and even China. They are, after all, the Demons who forced millions of Americans, Germans, and more, to ingest death jabs. Anyone who will do this will do anything. https://cdn.locals.com/images/posts/originals/91572/91572_spktx2nkyh2imoq.jpeg Michael Yon@MichaelYon 8 hours ago Putin’s Speech 01 October 2022 Dublin, Ireland I watched the entire speech. Many ‘analysts’ are busy trying to read his mind. They seem to pay less attention to his actual words and actions and instead construct psychological thrillers. Bottom line: Putin’s actions reveal that Russia is not backing down Putin says he and Russia are not backing down There is no evidence that Putin is beaten, or backing down There is physical evidence and verbal statements indicating Putin is doubling down Analysts would be better served listening closely to words, actions, and history, than playing Freud and Jung. This war clearly is intensifying. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XDdHRGcbffoNo, Putin isn’t or won’t back down. His place in history and Russias place in global standing for the foreseeable future will be determined by the outcome of this war. Whether right or wrong that’s just the way it is. And the politicians and globalists behind supporting Ukraine won’t back down. And this won’t stagnate. It will only intensify. Putin isn't in control of his or Russia's place in global standing. The west is. He can "not back down" all he desires but Russia losing is already baked into the cake. He should be thinking about whether he wants Russia to be a larger North Korea or give up the old Soviet mindset of global conquest. Those are his options. If he persists in following his ego vs sanity, Russia will become a big version of NK/Venezuela/Cuba. Putin and Russia look at Ukraine as a fight for their very survival. Pushing a country equipped with nuclear weapons to this point is absolutely insane. Only the Western version of Clown World would try making Dr. Strangelove become a reality, but here we are.... Why would we want a world without Russia? - Vladimir Putin, March 2018 “Why Do We Need a World if Russia Is Not In It?”: State TV Presenter Opens Show With Ominous Address Russian state television host Dmitry Kiselyov opened his Sunday primetime show with an ominous allusion to nuclear war. The comments came just hours after President Vladimir Putin ordered the Russian army to put its nuclear arsenal, the world's largest, on “high alert” in response to what he called "unfriendly" steps by the West. “Our submarines are capable of launching over 500 nuclear warheads, which guarantees the destruction of the U.S. and all NATO countries,” Kiselyov said on his weekly program, “Vesti Nedeli.” “Why do we need a world if Russia is not in it?” Kiselyov’s comments came hours after Putin announced he was placing Russia’s nuclear deterrence forces on “high alert,” citing “aggressive statements” and economic sanctions imposed on Moscow by NATO. https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2022/02/28/why-do-we-need-a-world-if-russia-is-not-in-it-state-tv-presenter-opens-show-with-ominous-address-a76653 The west would support Ukraine deleting the Russian Army (and the rest of their forces) and using sanctions to destroy the Russian economy to the point of collapse so that Russia would no longer be a threat to the rest of the world (including us). Further, they would no longer be a threat to the food supply of dozens of nations, the point of the thread. So, not only is collapsing Russia sane (just as collapsing the Soviet Union in the past was the right move), it's time has come due to the stupidity/ego of Putin. I’m sure it has nothing to do with keeping the petrodollar alive for a little while longer. I must say, I never took you for a kool-aid drinker, though. No kool-aid, simple logic. Ending Russia as a world threat is in everyone's best interests. That’s much easier said than done. The cure may end up being worse than the disease. Much worse. |
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Posted: 10/1/2022 7:30:52 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By planemaker: Kinetic wars are, as the Chinese have said (paraphrasing), "bad for business". The rich elites in the various countries don't want war because it's bad for their incomes. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By planemaker: Originally Posted By Alacran: Originally Posted By Mach: Originally Posted By Alacran: It’s interesting that the dollar used to be backed by gold, then we went off the gold standard in favor of the petrodollar, and now the powers that be are trying to do away with fossil fuels in favor of solar panels, wind power, & electric vehicles. It’s also interesting that Germany is a big gas & diesel automaker among other things but that manufacturing depends, or rather depended on natural gas from Russia. When the quasi-petrodollar goes away, what will the new digital currency be backed with? Thin air? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x-xik96nX1kEverybody used to be on the gold standard. Countries took each others currency and then settled the net difference with the transfer of gold. Then all countries went off the gold standard. The petro dollar is a reserve currency but it does not back other currencies. Govt central banks keep dollars to pay for oil, that is why it is called the petro dollar. Other currencies, just like the US dollar is backed by nothing. The only difference is that when the fed creates more dollars, the dollar doesn't get diluted as much on the international exchange as other currencies because dollars buy oil. The dollar, as other currencies, is currently backed by thin air called the faith and full credit of the US govt. So, you’re saying it’s value is all just an illusion? It seems that many of the BRICS nations and those wanting to join are mostly oil rich countries. What if they created their own petrodollar? I’ve speculated before that things were shaping up to be a global war with NATO vs BRICS. Could this Ukraine thing be a war for control of currency instead of “freedom” for a country that no one really cared about until recently? Kinetic wars are, as the Chinese have said (paraphrasing), "bad for business". The rich elites in the various countries don't want war because it's bad for their incomes. Quire ironic since China is the CCP, who is busy gearing up for war with the West, but that’s the load of goods that the media and Democrats were busy selling to the world about Russia. |
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Posted: 10/1/2022 7:31:26 PM EDT
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Lots of talk about Russia’s war with Ukraine. I think we should also be worried about what the Chinese are planning. We will be fighting the Russians directly soon enough, what will the Chinese do while we are busy?
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Posted: 10/1/2022 7:39:32 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By GoldenMead: Lots of talk about Russia’s war with Ukraine. I think we should also be worried about what the Chinese are planning. We will be fighting the Russians directly soon enoug, what will the Chinese do while we are busy? China CCP influences have spread like wildfire throughout Africa, parts of Australia, South Pacific, South America, Central America, Mexico, Canada, and the United States, yet we’re told that Ukraine’s freedom to join NATO and Russia’s resistance to that is what’s worth taking the world to the brink of nuclear war over. |
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Posted: 10/1/2022 10:39:52 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Alacran: China CCP influences have spread like wildfire throughout Africa, parts of Australia, South Pacific, South America, Central America, Mexico, Canada, and the United States, yet we’re told that Ukraine’s freedom to join NATO and Russia’s resistance to that is what’s worth taking the world to the brink of nuclear war over. The optimist side of me hopes that maybe we are just taking a piece off the board in preparation for the upcoming big show. But then I remember I have met quite a few people in the state department. |
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Posted: 10/1/2022 11:26:20 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Alacran: That’s much easier said than done. The cure may end up being worse than the disease. Much worse. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Alacran: Originally Posted By planemaker: Originally Posted By Alacran: Originally Posted By planemaker: Originally Posted By Alacran: Originally Posted By planemaker: Originally Posted By Nailcrusher: Originally Posted By Alacran: Michael Yon@MichaelYon 12 hours ago Casus Belli for Preemptive Nuclear Strike On Russia 01 October 2022 Dublin, Ireland Mind dump, sans edit Watching it all unfold. They wave the corrupted Ukrainian flag. Even while fighting-aged Ukrainian men and women have swept away and can be found in capitals across Europe. This war is completely out of control — as it was destined. A small handful of well-placed globalists in United States, Germany, and more, have reached the state of euphoric war trance. Oblivious to the oblivion aimed at their faces. Or maybe they just welcome death. Some people use war for suicide. This is clear: Demons in charge of America’s nuclear weapons are creating casus belli for preemptive strike on Russia. And if Demons are to hit Russia, Demons likely will go all in for North Korea, Iran, and even China. They are, after all, the Demons who forced millions of Americans, Germans, and more, to ingest death jabs. Anyone who will do this will do anything. https://cdn.locals.com/images/posts/originals/91572/91572_spktx2nkyh2imoq.jpeg Michael Yon@MichaelYon 8 hours ago Putin’s Speech 01 October 2022 Dublin, Ireland I watched the entire speech. Many ‘analysts’ are busy trying to read his mind. They seem to pay less attention to his actual words and actions and instead construct psychological thrillers. Bottom line: Putin’s actions reveal that Russia is not backing down Putin says he and Russia are not backing down There is no evidence that Putin is beaten, or backing down There is physical evidence and verbal statements indicating Putin is doubling down Analysts would be better served listening closely to words, actions, and history, than playing Freud and Jung. This war clearly is intensifying. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XDdHRGcbffoNo, Putin isn’t or won’t back down. His place in history and Russias place in global standing for the foreseeable future will be determined by the outcome of this war. Whether right or wrong that’s just the way it is. And the politicians and globalists behind supporting Ukraine won’t back down. And this won’t stagnate. It will only intensify. Putin isn't in control of his or Russia's place in global standing. The west is. He can "not back down" all he desires but Russia losing is already baked into the cake. He should be thinking about whether he wants Russia to be a larger North Korea or give up the old Soviet mindset of global conquest. Those are his options. If he persists in following his ego vs sanity, Russia will become a big version of NK/Venezuela/Cuba. Putin and Russia look at Ukraine as a fight for their very survival. Pushing a country equipped with nuclear weapons to this point is absolutely insane. Only the Western version of Clown World would try making Dr. Strangelove become a reality, but here we are.... Why would we want a world without Russia? - Vladimir Putin, March 2018 “Why Do We Need a World if Russia Is Not In It?”: State TV Presenter Opens Show With Ominous Address Russian state television host Dmitry Kiselyov opened his Sunday primetime show with an ominous allusion to nuclear war. The comments came just hours after President Vladimir Putin ordered the Russian army to put its nuclear arsenal, the world's largest, on “high alert” in response to what he called "unfriendly" steps by the West. “Our submarines are capable of launching over 500 nuclear warheads, which guarantees the destruction of the U.S. and all NATO countries,” Kiselyov said on his weekly program, “Vesti Nedeli.” “Why do we need a world if Russia is not in it?” Kiselyov’s comments came hours after Putin announced he was placing Russia’s nuclear deterrence forces on “high alert,” citing “aggressive statements” and economic sanctions imposed on Moscow by NATO. https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2022/02/28/why-do-we-need-a-world-if-russia-is-not-in-it-state-tv-presenter-opens-show-with-ominous-address-a76653 The west would support Ukraine deleting the Russian Army (and the rest of their forces) and using sanctions to destroy the Russian economy to the point of collapse so that Russia would no longer be a threat to the rest of the world (including us). Further, they would no longer be a threat to the food supply of dozens of nations, the point of the thread. So, not only is collapsing Russia sane (just as collapsing the Soviet Union in the past was the right move), it's time has come due to the stupidity/ego of Putin. I’m sure it has nothing to do with keeping the petrodollar alive for a little while longer. I must say, I never took you for a kool-aid drinker, though. No kool-aid, simple logic. Ending Russia as a world threat is in everyone's best interests. That’s much easier said than done. The cure may end up being worse than the disease. Much worse. it doesn't appear to be that hard given the monumentally stupid mistakes the Russians have been making this year. They're destroying themselves, we're just letting them. |
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Posted: 10/1/2022 11:27:23 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Alacran: Carefull. Those NWO boys will throw you in the gulag and beat the nationalism right out of you. The transfer of wealth continues until there is no more wealth left to transfer.  Attached File |
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Posted: 10/1/2022 11:29:48 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Alacran: Quire ironic since China is the CCP, who is busy gearing up for war with the West, but that’s the load of goods that the media and Democrats were busy selling to the world about Russia. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Alacran: Originally Posted By planemaker: Originally Posted By Alacran: Originally Posted By Mach: Originally Posted By Alacran: It’s interesting that the dollar used to be backed by gold, then we went off the gold standard in favor of the petrodollar, and now the powers that be are trying to do away with fossil fuels in favor of solar panels, wind power, & electric vehicles. It’s also interesting that Germany is a big gas & diesel automaker among other things but that manufacturing depends, or rather depended on natural gas from Russia. When the quasi-petrodollar goes away, what will the new digital currency be backed with? Thin air? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x-xik96nX1kEverybody used to be on the gold standard. Countries took each others currency and then settled the net difference with the transfer of gold. Then all countries went off the gold standard. The petro dollar is a reserve currency but it does not back other currencies. Govt central banks keep dollars to pay for oil, that is why it is called the petro dollar. Other currencies, just like the US dollar is backed by nothing. The only difference is that when the fed creates more dollars, the dollar doesn't get diluted as much on the international exchange as other currencies because dollars buy oil. The dollar, as other currencies, is currently backed by thin air called the faith and full credit of the US govt. So, you’re saying it’s value is all just an illusion? It seems that many of the BRICS nations and those wanting to join are mostly oil rich countries. What if they created their own petrodollar? I’ve speculated before that things were shaping up to be a global war with NATO vs BRICS. Could this Ukraine thing be a war for control of currency instead of “freedom” for a country that no one really cared about until recently? Kinetic wars are, as the Chinese have said (paraphrasing), "bad for business". The rich elites in the various countries don't want war because it's bad for their incomes. Quire ironic since China is the CCP, who is busy gearing up for war with the West, but that’s the load of goods that the media and Democrats were busy selling to the world about Russia. Not quite. ChinaIsAsshoe has a few wealthy people in the CCP who have gotten wealthy by using slave labor (their own) to make and sell shit to the US. They're still communists in a looser sense of the word, more like an overly intrusive/controlling dictatorship. They, too, have an inherent belief in their own superiority, all evidence to the contrary notwithstanding, just like the Russians. They're just not as stupid as the Russians. |
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Posted: 10/1/2022 11:32:15 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By GoldenMead: Lots of talk about Russia’s war with Ukraine. I think we should also be worried about what the Chinese are planning. We will be fighting the Russians directly soon enough, what will the Chinese do while we are busy? China is buying up our tech companies, food producers and land. Oh, so much land. Even huge swaths of it, right on the border, abutting US military bases! And our "wise leaders" (gag, hack, spit, cough cough) allowed it. |
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Posted: 10/2/2022 12:13:04 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By sig-x: Where are the massive food shortages? Yes food prices have went up but I haven't seen any shortages. Everything is just fine. We've run out of formula, cat food, distilled water and such before. And if it's so expensive we can't afford it who cares, I mean there it is to look at. |
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Posted: 10/2/2022 12:17:40 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Alacran: Yes, Western leadership isn't weak but our military certainly is. There's doubt that the US could even fight a conventional war with China or Russia in its current condition. My fear is that inadequacy may make a nuclear conflict even more likely. If they are willing to blatantly steal a Presidential election, I certainly wouldn't discount their willingness to get us into a nuclear war in an attempt to retain that power & control, either. Yeah, that's what I'd call evil, too! Our military is weak, on purpose, because our leadership is weak. None of what's happening now has to happen, but it did precisely because western leadership is weak. The non- western world knows we are weak and take advantage of it. We can't see it because not only are we weak, we are stupid as well. We get what we deserve. We sat back and not only let it happen, we denied what's happening right before our eyes. |
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Posted: 10/2/2022 1:18:04 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Bubbles: The US is a net exporter so we'll have food. It will be more expensive domestically because we'll be competing with more overseas buyers for what the US produces. In a capitalist/demand economy shortages drive up prices. Yes some of the increase is due to increased costs of fuel, labor, etc. but not all of it. The most basic staples - flour, sugar, eggs, canned/frozen veggies - are up 25% from two years ago. Dried beans/lentils were $.99/lb for years, now $1.59/lb or higher. Two weeks ago I went to my local grocery and the egg/butter dairy section was completely empty. It was working, lights on, cold, etc. but empty. Apparently a truck just didn't show up, but one was expected tomorrow... You think illegal immigration is bad now, just wait and see when people get hungry and America has free food!!! |
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Posted: 10/2/2022 1:27:16 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By planemaker: The west would support Ukraine deleting the Russian Army (and the rest of their forces) and using sanctions to destroy the Russian economy to the point of collapse so that Russia would no longer be a threat to the rest of the world (including us). Further, they would no longer be a threat to the food supply of dozens of nations, the point of the thread. So, not only is collapsing Russia sane (just as collapsing the Soviet Union in the past was the right move), it's time has come due to the stupidity/ego of Putin. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By planemaker: Originally Posted By Alacran: Originally Posted By planemaker: Originally Posted By Nailcrusher: Originally Posted By Alacran: Michael Yon@MichaelYon 12 hours ago Casus Belli for Preemptive Nuclear Strike On Russia 01 October 2022 Dublin, Ireland Mind dump, sans edit Watching it all unfold. They wave the corrupted Ukrainian flag. Even while fighting-aged Ukrainian men and women have swept away and can be found in capitals across Europe. This war is completely out of control — as it was destined. A small handful of well-placed globalists in United States, Germany, and more, have reached the state of euphoric war trance. Oblivious to the oblivion aimed at their faces. Or maybe they just welcome death. Some people use war for suicide. This is clear: Demons in charge of America’s nuclear weapons are creating casus belli for preemptive strike on Russia. And if Demons are to hit Russia, Demons likely will go all in for North Korea, Iran, and even China. They are, after all, the Demons who forced millions of Americans, Germans, and more, to ingest death jabs. Anyone who will do this will do anything. https://cdn.locals.com/images/posts/originals/91572/91572_spktx2nkyh2imoq.jpeg Michael Yon@MichaelYon 8 hours ago Putin’s Speech 01 October 2022 Dublin, Ireland I watched the entire speech. Many ‘analysts’ are busy trying to read his mind. They seem to pay less attention to his actual words and actions and instead construct psychological thrillers. Bottom line: Putin’s actions reveal that Russia is not backing down Putin says he and Russia are not backing down There is no evidence that Putin is beaten, or backing down There is physical evidence and verbal statements indicating Putin is doubling down Analysts would be better served listening closely to words, actions, and history, than playing Freud and Jung. This war clearly is intensifying. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XDdHRGcbffoNo, Putin isn’t or won’t back down. His place in history and Russias place in global standing for the foreseeable future will be determined by the outcome of this war. Whether right or wrong that’s just the way it is. And the politicians and globalists behind supporting Ukraine won’t back down. And this won’t stagnate. It will only intensify. Putin isn't in control of his or Russia's place in global standing. The west is. He can "not back down" all he desires but Russia losing is already baked into the cake. He should be thinking about whether he wants Russia to be a larger North Korea or give up the old Soviet mindset of global conquest. Those are his options. If he persists in following his ego vs sanity, Russia will become a big version of NK/Venezuela/Cuba. Putin and Russia look at Ukraine as a fight for their very survival. Pushing a country equipped with nuclear weapons to this point is absolutely insane. Only the Western version of Clown World would try making Dr. Strangelove become a reality, but here we are.... Why would we want a world without Russia? - Vladimir Putin, March 2018 “Why Do We Need a World if Russia Is Not In It?”: State TV Presenter Opens Show With Ominous Address Russian state television host Dmitry Kiselyov opened his Sunday primetime show with an ominous allusion to nuclear war. The comments came just hours after President Vladimir Putin ordered the Russian army to put its nuclear arsenal, the world's largest, on “high alert” in response to what he called "unfriendly" steps by the West. “Our submarines are capable of launching over 500 nuclear warheads, which guarantees the destruction of the U.S. and all NATO countries,” Kiselyov said on his weekly program, “Vesti Nedeli.” “Why do we need a world if Russia is not in it?” Kiselyov’s comments came hours after Putin announced he was placing Russia’s nuclear deterrence forces on “high alert,” citing “aggressive statements” and economic sanctions imposed on Moscow by NATO. https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2022/02/28/why-do-we-need-a-world-if-russia-is-not-in-it-state-tv-presenter-opens-show-with-ominous-address-a76653 The west would support Ukraine deleting the Russian Army (and the rest of their forces) and using sanctions to destroy the Russian economy to the point of collapse so that Russia would no longer be a threat to the rest of the world (including us). Further, they would no longer be a threat to the food supply of dozens of nations, the point of the thread. So, not only is collapsing Russia sane (just as collapsing the Soviet Union in the past was the right move), it's time has come due to the stupidity/ego of Putin. You don't understand the thought process of Eastern Europeans. Remember how WWII was fought by them. Now remember that the Russians believe a nuclear war is both winnable and survivable. All collapsing Russia would do is make certain that the western world would burn right along with Russia. Honestly, I halfway believe that China is egging this on so as to be the only remaining functional superpower. |
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Posted: 10/2/2022 1:42:01 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By heavymetal762: You don't understand the thought process of Eastern Europeans. Remember how WWII was fought by them. Now remember that the Russians believe a nuclear war is both winnable and survivable. All collapsing Russia would do is make certain that the western world would burn right along with Russia. Honestly, I halfway believe that China is egging this on so as to be the only remaining functional superpower. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By heavymetal762: Originally Posted By planemaker: Originally Posted By Alacran: Originally Posted By planemaker: Originally Posted By Nailcrusher: Originally Posted By Alacran: Michael Yon@MichaelYon 12 hours ago Casus Belli for Preemptive Nuclear Strike On Russia 01 October 2022 Dublin, Ireland Mind dump, sans edit Watching it all unfold. They wave the corrupted Ukrainian flag. Even while fighting-aged Ukrainian men and women have swept away and can be found in capitals across Europe. This war is completely out of control — as it was destined. A small handful of well-placed globalists in United States, Germany, and more, have reached the state of euphoric war trance. Oblivious to the oblivion aimed at their faces. Or maybe they just welcome death. Some people use war for suicide. This is clear: Demons in charge of America’s nuclear weapons are creating casus belli for preemptive strike on Russia. And if Demons are to hit Russia, Demons likely will go all in for North Korea, Iran, and even China. They are, after all, the Demons who forced millions of Americans, Germans, and more, to ingest death jabs. Anyone who will do this will do anything. https://cdn.locals.com/images/posts/originals/91572/91572_spktx2nkyh2imoq.jpeg Michael Yon@MichaelYon 8 hours ago Putin’s Speech 01 October 2022 Dublin, Ireland I watched the entire speech. Many ‘analysts’ are busy trying to read his mind. They seem to pay less attention to his actual words and actions and instead construct psychological thrillers. Bottom line: Putin’s actions reveal that Russia is not backing down Putin says he and Russia are not backing down There is no evidence that Putin is beaten, or backing down There is physical evidence and verbal statements indicating Putin is doubling down Analysts would be better served listening closely to words, actions, and history, than playing Freud and Jung. This war clearly is intensifying. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XDdHRGcbffoNo, Putin isn’t or won’t back down. His place in history and Russias place in global standing for the foreseeable future will be determined by the outcome of this war. Whether right or wrong that’s just the way it is. And the politicians and globalists behind supporting Ukraine won’t back down. And this won’t stagnate. It will only intensify. Putin isn't in control of his or Russia's place in global standing. The west is. He can "not back down" all he desires but Russia losing is already baked into the cake. He should be thinking about whether he wants Russia to be a larger North Korea or give up the old Soviet mindset of global conquest. Those are his options. If he persists in following his ego vs sanity, Russia will become a big version of NK/Venezuela/Cuba. Putin and Russia look at Ukraine as a fight for their very survival. Pushing a country equipped with nuclear weapons to this point is absolutely insane. Only the Western version of Clown World would try making Dr. Strangelove become a reality, but here we are.... Why would we want a world without Russia? - Vladimir Putin, March 2018 “Why Do We Need a World if Russia Is Not In It?”: State TV Presenter Opens Show With Ominous Address Russian state television host Dmitry Kiselyov opened his Sunday primetime show with an ominous allusion to nuclear war. The comments came just hours after President Vladimir Putin ordered the Russian army to put its nuclear arsenal, the world's largest, on “high alert” in response to what he called "unfriendly" steps by the West. “Our submarines are capable of launching over 500 nuclear warheads, which guarantees the destruction of the U.S. and all NATO countries,” Kiselyov said on his weekly program, “Vesti Nedeli.” “Why do we need a world if Russia is not in it?” Kiselyov’s comments came hours after Putin announced he was placing Russia’s nuclear deterrence forces on “high alert,” citing “aggressive statements” and economic sanctions imposed on Moscow by NATO. https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2022/02/28/why-do-we-need-a-world-if-russia-is-not-in-it-state-tv-presenter-opens-show-with-ominous-address-a76653 The west would support Ukraine deleting the Russian Army (and the rest of their forces) and using sanctions to destroy the Russian economy to the point of collapse so that Russia would no longer be a threat to the rest of the world (including us). Further, they would no longer be a threat to the food supply of dozens of nations, the point of the thread. So, not only is collapsing Russia sane (just as collapsing the Soviet Union in the past was the right move), it's time has come due to the stupidity/ego of Putin. You don't understand the thought process of Eastern Europeans. Remember how WWII was fought by them. Now remember that the Russians believe a nuclear war is both winnable and survivable. All collapsing Russia would do is make certain that the western world would burn right along with Russia. Honestly, I halfway believe that China is egging this on so as to be the only remaining functional superpower. No, Russia knows they would cease to exist in the event of a nuclear war. Further, they also know that they cannot trust ChinaIsAsshoe not to invade if they thought they could take the eastern oil and gas fields. Putin wants to put the Soviet band back together again. Their military knows this is impossible. And while they may be thoroughly corrupt, they're not suicidal. That's why there won't be a nuclear war between Russia and the west. Also, ChinaIsAsshoe is buying Russian oil and gas at a substantial discount which is why they are feigning support for Russia while sticking the knife into them at the same time. Getting energy at a discount is helping keep their faltering economy afloat. |
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Posted: 10/2/2022 2:37:02 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By viralinsurgency: It will be backed by "the full faith and credit of the United States gov"... so what's that worth? Depends on whether the Constitution is being followed, or a sick, evil and corrupt ideology is running things, like today. Biden's masters will crash the dollar and replace it. People need to remember history and learn from it. The federal government forced citizens and corporations to hand over all their gold coins and bullion in exchange for paper money at vastly undervalued rates in 1933. Right after the president illegally closed banks for a number of days to prevent citizens from withdrawing their money. Americans were told they must accept as money whatever the government told them to accept, and at whatever rate they were told to accept it. Requiring gold as payment was outlawed, as was private gold ownership. It happened before and can happen again. Your statement is 100% correct about gold and the conversion of assets and property to banks and the wealthy class at a discount during an economic disaster. The "dollar" or our joke of a "currency" has been systematically destroyed by fake digital money starting with credit cards years ago. Then, that expanded to derivatives betting on speculation of a non existent asset that was a bet on the real asset. Full faith and credit is a joke, the real value is defined in the Constitution as coined accounting for fair weights and measures. Translating that to ones and zeros doesn't meet that definition but sure does further their control of the entire financial system. |
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Posted: 10/2/2022 2:41:58 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Alacran: Carefull. Those NWO boys will throw you in the gulag and beat the nationalism right out of you. The transfer of wealth continues until there is no more wealth left to transfer. I would postulate the transfer of wealth is actually a transfer of control. Wealth now is pure digital fiction based upon a erroneous value designed to benefit traders of that commodity. That which controls the trade controls the commodity. |
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Posted: 10/2/2022 2:58:42 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Mach: Everybody used to be on the gold standard. Countries took each others currency and then settled the net difference with the transfer of gold. Then all countries went off the gold standard. The petro dollar is a reserve currency but it does not back other currencies. Govt central banks keep dollars to pay for oil, that is why it is called the petro dollar. Other currencies, just like the US dollar is backed by nothing. The only difference is that when the fed creates more dollars, the dollar doesn't get diluted as much on the international exchange as other currencies because dollars buy oil. The dollar, as other currencies, is currently backed by thin air called the faith and full credit of the US govt. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Mach: Originally Posted By Alacran: It’s interesting that the dollar used to be backed by gold, then we went off the gold standard in favor of the petrodollar, and now the powers that be are trying to do away with fossil fuels in favor of solar panels, wind power, & electric vehicles. It’s also interesting that Germany is a big gas & diesel automaker among other things but that manufacturing depends, or rather depended on natural gas from Russia. When the quasi-petrodollar goes away, what will the new digital currency be backed with? Thin air? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x-xik96nX1kEverybody used to be on the gold standard. Countries took each others currency and then settled the net difference with the transfer of gold. Then all countries went off the gold standard. The petro dollar is a reserve currency but it does not back other currencies. Govt central banks keep dollars to pay for oil, that is why it is called the petro dollar. Other currencies, just like the US dollar is backed by nothing. The only difference is that when the fed creates more dollars, the dollar doesn't get diluted as much on the international exchange as other currencies because dollars buy oil. The dollar, as other currencies, is currently backed by thin air called the faith and full credit of the US govt. China is buying gold physical gold, they are using their USD reserves because of the increased value of the USD compared to other currencies. It is much cheaper for them to purchase gold in USD, and relative to the increased value of USD before the start of the Ukraine war, it is still a bargain for them if they pay 10% over retail value. They want to get to 9000 tonnes, which would be higher than what the US claims to have. Much of their purchases are off the books, and since the start of the Ukraine war, they are purchasing as much as they can from Russia and Europe. Why are they doing this? Probably they are taking advantage of the strong USD and Chinese families traditionally by gold in difficult times, but there is an open discussion that Russia, China, and possibly India will create a digital payment system similar to SWIFT but backed by physical assets (gold, oil, gas, bitcoin). It will mean countries and companies can trade with SCO (Shanghai Cooperation Organisation) with an assurance that their banking system is backed by physical assets, not paper (like SWIFT/USD/Yen/Pound). There is also a game of thrones type of war between China and London, the Chinese want to show that they have more physical gold than London Bullion Market Association (LMBA). If they do have more physical gold, they will do an open audit and invite everyone important (swiss banks) to audit it and confirm before launching a digital yuan/ruble/rupee. This is a the most important poker game in history, and the Chinese are openly saying they are going to show their hand soon. Probably at the end of winter when Europe and the UK are really squeezed by gas/heating costs and social disgust with their governments is what I am hearing it will happen. Do not be surprised if Putin offers Europe free gas/oil for 1 to 5 years if they agree to drop sanctions and end the war in Ukraine when the pain of winter sets in. Chinese Gold Fetches Huge Premium as Demand Improves Bloomberg News September 22, 2022, 6:20 PM GMT+9 Gold in China is trading at a huge premium to international prices as a revival in demand outstrips the country’s imports. Benchmark prices in Shanghai have climbed to a premium of more than $43 an ounce over their London equivalent, the highest since 2019, according to data from the World Gold Council. Unusually, the two have steadily diverged over the course of the month, with the Chinese market remaining relatively firm despite pressure on international prices. |
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Posted: 10/2/2022 3:00:34 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By planemaker: No kool-aid, simple logic. Ending Russia as a world threat is in everyone's best interests. Substitute NATO for Russian in your statement. |
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Posted: 10/2/2022 3:08:30 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By planemaker: Kinetic wars are, as the Chinese have said (paraphrasing), "bad for business". The rich elites in the various countries don't want war because it's bad for their incomes. Unless the rich elites control the factories and raw material collection apparatus that make weapons and material for other nation states. Kinda opposed to the US method which accounts for 38.6 percent of weapons sales worldwide. Of course this is the "on-paper" published sales. |
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Posted: 10/2/2022 8:09:32 AM EDT
[#34]
Michael Yon@MichaelYon
1 hour ago India Famine 02 October 2022 Dublin, Ireland Based situation, including conversations with ammonia production experts, etc., I sense India will go into severe famine. About five/six years ago I reconned much of the route between India and Thailand for just such an event. There is a clear shot to Thailand through Bangladesh and Myanmar for those who can make it.  Michael Yon@MichaelYon 1 hour ago Norwegian Refugee Council is Part of the Problem 02 October 2022 Dublin, Ireland I physically seen NRC on the ground in places like Darien Gap facilitating invasion of United States. NRC is an enemy of United States and Europe. Somalia stands on the brink of famine. After months of catastrophic drought, the United Nations has issued a “final warning”, as the most dangerous period of the crisis approaches. But what actually is a famine? Who decides when a famine is happening, and what does it mean when they do? On 11 August 2022, the drought in Somalia reached unprecedented levels. For the first time, one million people were registered as having been displaced by the drought since it began in January 2021. “This one-million milestone serves as a massive alarm bell for Somalia,” said Mohamed Abdi, NRC’s country director in Somalia. “Starvation is now haunting the entire country.” Since then, the situation has worsened. Last week, the UN’s Under-Secretary-General for Humanitarian Affairs and Emergency Relief Coordinator, Martin Griffiths, gave a press briefing from Somalia’s capital Mogadishu. He described the devastation, suffering and death he had witnessed, but explained that “we have not met the technical thresholds for declaring [famine] yet”. The word “famine” is often used loosely to describe a situation of extreme and widespread hunger. But it also has a more precise definition in a humanitarian context. At the heart of this definition is the idea of “food insecurity”. . . . . https://www.nrc.no/perspectives/2022/what-is-a-famine/ |
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Posted: 10/2/2022 8:17:36 AM EDT
[#35]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By amannamedjed: Medvedev says the West will not respond if Russia uses nuclear weapons in Ukraine; the Western leaders do not wish to die in nuclear flame. My question to him is, “You think we won’t escalate? Why not? You did.” This is referring to something I brought up much earlier in this thread regarding the AI game Balance of Power. Everyone thinks they can escalate, but the other side will not dare because … who really knows. But they are almost always wrong. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By amannamedjed: Medvedev says the West will not respond if Russia uses nuclear weapons in Ukraine; the Western leaders do not wish to die in nuclear flame. My question to him is, “You think we won’t escalate? Why not? You did.” This is referring to something I brought up much earlier in this thread regarding the AI game Balance of Power. Everyone thinks they can escalate, but the other side will not dare because … who really knows. But they are almost always wrong. I dont think the west would do anything either! |
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Posted: 10/2/2022 8:19:24 AM EDT
[#36]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By SheltiePimp: China is buying gold physical gold, they are using their USD reserves because of the increased value of the USD compared to other currencies. It is much cheaper for them to purchase gold in USD, and relative to the increased value of USD before the start of the Ukraine war, it is still a bargain for them if they pay 10% over retail value. They want to get to 9000 tonnes, which would be higher than what the US claims to have. Much of their purchases are off the books, and since the start of the Ukraine war, they are purchasing as much as they can from Russia and Europe. Why are they doing this? Probably they are taking advantage of the strong USD and Chinese families traditionally by gold in difficult times, but there is an open discussion that Russia, China, and possibly India will create a digital payment system similar to SWIFT but backed by physical assets (gold, oil, gas, bitcoin). It will mean countries and companies can trade with SCO (Shanghai Cooperation Organisation) with an assurance that their banking system is backed by physical assets, not paper (like SWIFT/USD/Yen/Pound). There is also a game of thrones type of war between China and London, the Chinese want to show that they have more physical gold than London Bullion Market Association (LMBA). If they do have more physical gold, they will do an open audit and invite everyone important (swiss banks) to audit it and confirm before launching a digital yuan/ruble/rupee. This is a the most important poker game in history, and the Chinese are openly saying they are going to show their hand soon. Probably at the end of winter when Europe and the UK are really squeezed by gas/heating costs and social disgust with their governments is what I am hearing it will happen. Do not be surprised if Putin offers Europe free gas/oil for 1 to 5 years if they agree to drop sanctions and end the war in Ukraine when the pain of winter sets in. Chinese Gold Fetches Huge Premium as Demand Improves Bloomberg News September 22, 2022, 6:20 PM GMT+9 Gold in China is trading at a huge premium to international prices as a revival in demand outstrips the country’s imports. Benchmark prices in Shanghai have climbed to a premium of more than $43 an ounce over their London equivalent, the highest since 2019, according to data from the World Gold Council. Unusually, the two have steadily diverged over the course of the month, with the Chinese market remaining relatively firm despite pressure on international prices. How in the hell is Bitcoin a "physical asset". It's a completely digital creation made from nothing than some electrons moving around. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By SheltiePimp: Originally Posted By Mach: Originally Posted By Alacran: It’s interesting that the dollar used to be backed by gold, then we went off the gold standard in favor of the petrodollar, and now the powers that be are trying to do away with fossil fuels in favor of solar panels, wind power, & electric vehicles. It’s also interesting that Germany is a big gas & diesel automaker among other things but that manufacturing depends, or rather depended on natural gas from Russia. When the quasi-petrodollar goes away, what will the new digital currency be backed with? Thin air? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x-xik96nX1kEverybody used to be on the gold standard. Countries took each others currency and then settled the net difference with the transfer of gold. Then all countries went off the gold standard. The petro dollar is a reserve currency but it does not back other currencies. Govt central banks keep dollars to pay for oil, that is why it is called the petro dollar. Other currencies, just like the US dollar is backed by nothing. The only difference is that when the fed creates more dollars, the dollar doesn't get diluted as much on the international exchange as other currencies because dollars buy oil. The dollar, as other currencies, is currently backed by thin air called the faith and full credit of the US govt. China is buying gold physical gold, they are using their USD reserves because of the increased value of the USD compared to other currencies. It is much cheaper for them to purchase gold in USD, and relative to the increased value of USD before the start of the Ukraine war, it is still a bargain for them if they pay 10% over retail value. They want to get to 9000 tonnes, which would be higher than what the US claims to have. Much of their purchases are off the books, and since the start of the Ukraine war, they are purchasing as much as they can from Russia and Europe. Why are they doing this? Probably they are taking advantage of the strong USD and Chinese families traditionally by gold in difficult times, but there is an open discussion that Russia, China, and possibly India will create a digital payment system similar to SWIFT but backed by physical assets (gold, oil, gas, bitcoin). It will mean countries and companies can trade with SCO (Shanghai Cooperation Organisation) with an assurance that their banking system is backed by physical assets, not paper (like SWIFT/USD/Yen/Pound). There is also a game of thrones type of war between China and London, the Chinese want to show that they have more physical gold than London Bullion Market Association (LMBA). If they do have more physical gold, they will do an open audit and invite everyone important (swiss banks) to audit it and confirm before launching a digital yuan/ruble/rupee. This is a the most important poker game in history, and the Chinese are openly saying they are going to show their hand soon. Probably at the end of winter when Europe and the UK are really squeezed by gas/heating costs and social disgust with their governments is what I am hearing it will happen. Do not be surprised if Putin offers Europe free gas/oil for 1 to 5 years if they agree to drop sanctions and end the war in Ukraine when the pain of winter sets in. Chinese Gold Fetches Huge Premium as Demand Improves Bloomberg News September 22, 2022, 6:20 PM GMT+9 Gold in China is trading at a huge premium to international prices as a revival in demand outstrips the country’s imports. Benchmark prices in Shanghai have climbed to a premium of more than $43 an ounce over their London equivalent, the highest since 2019, according to data from the World Gold Council. Unusually, the two have steadily diverged over the course of the month, with the Chinese market remaining relatively firm despite pressure on international prices. How in the hell is Bitcoin a "physical asset". It's a completely digital creation made from nothing than some electrons moving around. |
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Posted: 10/2/2022 8:44:52 AM EDT
[Last Edit: Dru]
[#37]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By PointBlank82: Those phosphate mining operations all have tailings dams that are in piss-poor shape. I wonder how Ian affected them? Byproduct tailings from phosphate processing are full of radioactive materials fyi. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By PointBlank82: Originally Posted By Alacran: Originally Posted By soncorn: Originally Posted By Alacran: Michael Yon@MichaelYon 2 hours ago Florida: Possible Major Fertilizer Disruption 30 September 2022 Dublin, Ireland This tiny area in Central Florida is one of the major phosphate fertilizers in the world. I know it well because I grew up in the same county just down the road in Winter Haven. Earlier this year I was out in this phosphate area hunting sharks teeth and researching fertilizer issues. I say these things as preface to say this is a serious issue if there is serious damage. Must wait and see. First reports are always… Major Florida fertilizer hub took DIRECT HIT by Hurricane Ian, produces HALF the phosphate fertilizer for America Hurricane Ian is just hours away (as of this writing) from barreling straight through an area of Florida where at least 50 percent of the nation’s phosphate fertilizer supply is mined and produced. Mosaic Co. operates numerous mines in an area east of Tampa and north-northeast of Fort Myers where the Category 4 hurricane – Ian’s maximum recorded wind speeds were just a few miles per hour (mph) short of reaching Category 5 – made landfall, bringing with it catastrophic damage. The storm surge alone is reportedly causing catastrophic damage to Sanibel, Englewood, Venice and other areas, not to mention all the heavy winds and rain. And that very same carnage is headed straight for fertilizer alley (though at that point it will admittedly be slightly less severe). Florida’s fertilizer alley is replete with phosphate rock assets, which are turned into fertilizers such as diammonium phosphate (DAP) and monoammonium phosphate (MAP) – check out the company report to learn more. Chuck Watson, a disaster modeler with Enki Research, indicated that Mosaic’s New Wales plant is “right in the middle of the damage swatch.” He added that the plant could “be out for weeks,” depending on the level of damage. With food prices already sky-high and energy issues depleting global fertilizer supplies, this unfortunate new development is nothing short of ominous for the global food supply. (Related: The United Nations is expecting grain production worldwide to plummet by 40 percent due to lack of fertilizer.) Is America about to join the rest of the world in descending towards famine and starvation? Mosaic reportedly owns more than half of the 15.86 million metric tons of DAP and MAP production capacity in the United States, a bulk of which is in Florida in the path of Ian. Back in 2017, Hurricane Irma impacted some of that capacity, reducing Mosaic’s production of phosphate by 400,000 metric tons. Competitor Potash Corp., also located in Florida, was shut down for four days due to Irma. Ian is shaping up to be just as devastating as Irma – or perhaps worse. Ian will almost certainly be worse than Irma as far as America’s fertilizer production capacity is concerned. “Fertilizer can make or break crop production,” reports Bloomberg. “Global food prices have touched records in recent months as inflation ripples through economies and hunger levels rise. The cost of growing food in the U.S. is set to rise by the most ever in 2022 as Russia’s invasion of Ukraine put a huge percentage of the world’s supply at risk.” A U.S. duty on Russian and Moroccan phosphate producers means that the nation could have to buy expensive imports from elsewhere, should Ian devastate fertilizer alley to the point that production goes offline for an extended period of time. Up until now, the fertilizer crisis has mostly affected places outside America’s borders. That now appears to be changing, thanks to Ian. The latest reports reveal that Mosaic evacuated several of its Florida operations in anticipation of Ian’s arrival. All facilities, the company claims, were secured before being abandoned due to the storm. The affected facilities are expected to remain closed for a least a week after Ian passes, with an expected revenue decrease of between $240 million and $300 million. Ammonia imports from Yara International and CF Industries at Tampa are also expected to slow, depending on Ian’s aftermath. “Think the food crisis is bad now? Just wait,” wrote a commenter at Natural News about the fertilizer crisis, which is about to reach new heights thanks to Ian. “The fertilizer problem will significantly drop crop harvests and that will raise the price and availability of food dramatically starting next year.” https://www.newstarget.com/2022-09-29-florida-fertilizer-hub-direct-path-hurricane-ian.html A lot of things could happen. This “article” is full of unsupported what-ifs and fear-mongering. Yes, there are phosphate mines and processing in that area. Yes, they were probably impacted. To imply that there was some apocalyptic scale of damage that will take them offline for months or more is completely unsupported. We’re at the point where “any” impact will have a notable effect on supplies, pricing, and future crop yields. Those phosphate mining operations all have tailings dams that are in piss-poor shape. I wonder how Ian affected them? Byproduct tailings from phosphate processing are full of radioactive materials fyi. Not in Florida... FDEP would not allow piss poor shape tailing dams to remain in service here in Florida. No way no how! Federal EPA ain't got shit on our state level EPA. |
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Posted: 10/2/2022 8:58:44 AM EDT
[#38]
It’s a mad, mad, mad world.
Disclose.tv@disclosetv 12h · NEW - Over 100 people were killed tonight in riots that broke out at a football match in Indonesia. https://gab.com/disclosetv/posts/109095741484943162 Disclose.tv@disclosetv 24m · NOW - Iranian MPs chant "Death to America" in parliament. https://gab.com/disclosetv/posts/109098561151532757 |
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Posted: 10/2/2022 9:09:44 AM EDT
[#39]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Alacran: a mad, mad, mad world. Disclose.tv@disclosetv 24m · NOW - Iranian MPs chant "Death to America" in parliament. https://gab.com/disclosetv/posts/109098561151532757 That shit always kinda cracks me up. It’s like that bicycle meme, but real. |
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Posted: 10/2/2022 9:15:41 AM EDT
[#40]
People choosing to build tent houses because of the cost of living increases.
 Europe's cost of living crisis worsens; demand for yurts rise in Hungary | World News | WION |
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Posted: 10/2/2022 9:24:41 AM EDT
[#41]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By NoStockBikes: That shit always kinda cracks me up. It’s like that bicycle meme, but real. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By NoStockBikes: Originally Posted By Alacran: a mad, mad, mad world. Disclose.tv@disclosetv 24m · NOW - Iranian MPs chant "Death to America" in parliament. https://gab.com/disclosetv/posts/109098561151532757 That shit always kinda cracks me up. It’s like that bicycle meme, but real. 100+ people died because someone taunted someone else at a soccer game. It just goes to show that our world leaders are really no different than these morons, except much, much more than 100+ will die. |
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Posted: 10/2/2022 9:34:07 AM EDT
[#42]
Has it happened?
Are we all starving to death yet? OP failed to deliver... |
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Posted: 10/2/2022 9:37:31 AM EDT
[#43]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Alacran: 100+ people died because someone taunted someone else at a soccer game. It just goes to show that our world leaders are really no different than these morons, except much, much more than 100+ will die. I was talking about (and snipped the quote) the Death to America chants. |
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Posted: 10/2/2022 10:36:02 AM EDT
[#44]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By NoStockBikes: I was talking about (and snipped the quote) the Death to America chants. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By NoStockBikes: Originally Posted By Alacran: 100+ people died because someone taunted someone else at a soccer game. It just goes to show that our world leaders are really no different than these morons, except much, much more than 100+ will die. I was talking about (and snipped the quote) the Death to America chants. Sorry, I was commenting to both of them as well as the current nuclear threat. |
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Posted: 10/2/2022 10:39:51 AM EDT
[#45]
TommyRobinsonOfficial@TommyRobinsonOfficial 1h · The UN partners with Google to show only their views on climate change, goes on to say they "own the science". https://gab.com/TommyRobinsonOfficial/posts/109098930546426353 |
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Posted: 10/2/2022 11:02:07 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By planemaker: No kool-aid, simple logic. Ending Russia as a world threat is in everyone's best interests. Russia, is not a global threat any more than any other country with nukes. Fuck Russia. China is and has been the bigger threat for decades. Creating a power vacuum in a neighboring country that can solve China's energy issues is negligent if you are trying to safeguard American interests. Sorry but if Russia is getting their ass kicked they can't also be the boogie man. Make that shit make sense. It is plain as day the Ukraine is about moving money around just as it was before Russia invading. They were just able to amp up the fear and get the populace to think irrationally and accept unacceptable shit. Russia and Ukraine are both shitheads. |
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Posted: 10/2/2022 12:21:58 PM EDT
[#47]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Alacran: It’s a mad, mad, mad world. Disclose.tv@disclosetv 12h · NEW - Over 100 people were killed tonight in riots that broke out at a football match in Indonesia. https://gab.com/disclosetv/posts/109095741484943162 Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Alacran: It’s a mad, mad, mad world. Disclose.tv@disclosetv 12h · NEW - Over 100 people were killed tonight in riots that broke out at a football match in Indonesia. https://gab.com/disclosetv/posts/109095741484943162 And the crowd in the stands enjoyed the spectacle as much or more than the game. Disclose.tv@disclosetv 24m · NOW - Iranian MPs chant "Death to America" in parliament. https://gab.com/disclosetv/posts/109098561151532757 So what else is new? |
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Posted: 10/2/2022 12:38:03 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By FoxValleyTacDriver: Has it happened? Are we all starving to death yet? OP failed to deliver... From reading Michael Yon’s original hyperbolic comment quoted in the OP, it is indeed possible to think we are all going to starve to death in the next few months. But if you have followed this thread at all, then you will know the consensus is for Africa and some parts of South Asia to suffer the worst famine. The United States is not expected to see more than seriously rising prices and shortages of some foods. The only people in the US who will do without food are those on the financial edge who are barely eating now. Next year though, might be another matter. It all depends on how the fertilizer issue shakes out. As a rich country, I would hope we have the means to get as much as we need. But that is unsure. I can’t help but think that moments like this are moments of staggering opportunity. If some brilliant researcher found a way to produce fertilizer other than the usual sources, someone would be set to become unimaginably rich. |
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Posted: 10/2/2022 12:48:36 PM EDT
[#49]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Alacran: TommyRobinsonOfficial@TommyRobinsonOfficial 1h · The UN partners with Google to show only their views on climate change, goes on to say they "own the science". https://gab.com/TommyRobinsonOfficial/posts/109098930546426353 We’ll, to be fair, their science was bought and paid for. |
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Posted: 10/2/2022 1:17:25 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By JTX23: Russia, is not a global threat any more than any other country with nukes. Fuck Russia. China is and has been the bigger threat for decades. Creating a power vacuum in a neighboring country that can solve China's energy issues is negligent if you are trying to safeguard American interests. Sorry but if Russia is getting their ass kicked they can't also be the boogie man. Make that shit make sense. It is plain as day the Ukraine is about moving money around just as it was before Russia invading. They were just able to amp up the fear and get the populace to think irrationally and accept unacceptable shit. Russia and Ukraine are both shitheads. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By JTX23: Originally Posted By planemaker: No kool-aid, simple logic. Ending Russia as a world threat is in everyone's best interests. Russia, is not a global threat any more than any other country with nukes. Fuck Russia. China is and has been the bigger threat for decades. Creating a power vacuum in a neighboring country that can solve China's energy issues is negligent if you are trying to safeguard American interests. Sorry but if Russia is getting their ass kicked they can't also be the boogie man. Make that shit make sense. It is plain as day the Ukraine is about moving money around just as it was before Russia invading. They were just able to amp up the fear and get the populace to think irrationally and accept unacceptable shit. Russia and Ukraine are both shitheads. Complete and utter nonsense. Russia has been interfering in the internal politics and influence operations of multiple countries (including the US) as long as I've been alive. They currently have men and materiel in both Syria and Libya. Further, Russia is desperate for money which is why they've been forced to sell oil and gas to ChinaIsAsshoe. This depletes both Russia's oil and gas stores (the source of much of their money for warmaking) and depletes China's foreign currency reserves. It makes no sense whatsoever to try to deal with both Russia and China as enemies simultaneously. That is why the time has come to delete Russia's ability to cause trouble anywhere in the world, especially here. Once they've collapsed into an internal-only country, we can focus more precisely on ChinaIsAsshoe. As for Ukraine, the corruption that once permeated their government has been trimmed substantially. An existential war has a tendency to do that as does cleaning house of Russian collaborators. |
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