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Posted: 10/9/2020 6:44:00 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Two ATF bois in this thread... They don't even try to blend in. |
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Posted: 10/9/2020 6:48:50 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I'm really saddened by how fucking stupid some people are on this "firearms" website. You guys are either not going to vote, vote third party or just vote for Biden. All three options will lead to the same outcome. Can't wait to see the next Biden AWB, should make the first one look like a minor nuisance. But, at least I'll still be able to buy whatever I want. Some of you are too fucking stupid to realize the end game, by getting stuck on your view of perfection. In my opinion, it is you that doesn't realize the end game. |
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Posted: 10/9/2020 6:55:01 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Many here, including all branches of the government need a refresher on basic US Government, the Constitution, and Civics 101. You’re spot on although, Trump, with more talk than action on the 2A, needs a congress majority to really do anything and his first couple years he was overshadowed by spineless republicans who really thought he was going to get impeached (remember how many RINOs retired following Trump’s election?). He does have the executive power to get the ATF ruling rescinded and put the dogs back in the cages, but any anti-2A president will just release them again. Congress has given a ton of power to the executive appointments of the POTUS… The big (and really only) answer is Congress. It’s easy to target Trump, but he’s still a far better choice than a Communist-Biden/Harris ticket. At least with Trump, he’s willing to listen to dissenting viewpoints and actually has a very pro-2A son who has his ear. Any significant change must come from Congress, and that’s where we all come in. I personally think you’re an idiot NOT to vote for Trump as it’s just another vote for Socialism; but hey, that’s your right. Even if you’re not enamored with Trump, at least vote for the conservative (and if you’ve done your primary homework, pro-2A) representatives at both the State and Federal levels. That is where the change will come from, not the POTUS. Trump can be called a lot of things, but one thing he isn’t is ideological; for good or bad. However, at least he’s open to dissenting opinions in support of the 2A and our representatives (like Gaetz) are essential; we need to get more like him into office… Again, Trump has limited power (at least he’s not stretching it like Obama did). We can all agree he wasn’t advised properly on bump stocks (or red flag laws) and conservatives who love the 2A supporter-votes became spineless mutes. You punish our representatives who should be our advocates, not the POTUS; that’s simply giving credence to an Executive Branch who has limited power. We bitch about who’s on the ballot now or how few conservative/republican representatives understand the importance of the 2A, but what have we done two years ago, four years ago, or six years ago? Support the right candidates with money, time, and personal resources instead of bitching about a POTUS that must contend with a majority of anti-2A members in the House, and could possibly lose the Senate (R) majority. We know where Trump’s 2A mistakes are, but do you really know your state and federal representatives’ stances and platforms on the 2A? Have you asked them, stressed the importance to you as a constituent? Have offered to help on their campaign as a 2A subject matter expert? Have you offered to take any pro-2A talking points to your local gun ranges, VFW, church, or local businesses? Bottom line, quit bitching about Trump and focus on what you can influence…sure freedom of speech and all, but it’s also a good indicator of freedom from any modicum of civics IQ… ROCK6 Blaming a lack of Congressional support, which we don't know if there really is or isn't since Trump hasn't pushed Congress to make any pro-2A movement on, is a cop-out especially in light of how he rammed the bumpstock ban through at the Executive level. Trump doesn't need Congress to give us the Second Amendment Coalition he promised. Trump doesn't need Congress to mandate military base carry like he promised on Day 1 and which may have prevented at least 2 military base shootings that have happened in the last 3.5 years. Trump doesn't need Congress to direct the AG to go after those within the ATF that were behind Fast And Furious. Trump doesn't need Congress to "promote" anti-gun swamp personnel in the ATF to a hypothetical newly founded Nome, Alaska ATF office since it's hard to actually fire government personnel. Trump doesn't need Congress to direct the Justice Department to not prosecute NFA laws in cases like Kettler v US in contravention of Kansas state law, and publicly state he was making this directive like Obama did with DOMA. Trump doesn't need Congress to re-allow imports of Veprs he banned. Trump doesn't need Congress to undo the 1989 Import Ban GHWB put in place. Trump doesn't need Congress to undo the Barrel Ban GWB put in place. Trump doesn't need Congress to direct the ATF to redefine "sporting purposes" in the GCA to be more Second Amendment friendly. Trump doesn't need Congress to not call up and praise other Republicans for passing gun control. Trump doesn't need Congress to constantly push a pro-2A message in public and on social media, not just when it's election season. Trump doesn't need Congress to not appoint an AG nominee that supported the Ruby Ridge snipers (only to get the nominee voted on). In fact, Congress protected gun owners from Trump's anti-gun FOP head ATF nominee which he didn't have to select. If Trump even did only 1/4 of those things above that he could do unilaterally, he'd be nearly beyond reproach on the Second Amendment. /media/mediaFiles/sharedAlbum/1zvslystz4-7.gif I AGREE! |
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Posted: 10/9/2020 6:59:02 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: In my opinion, it is you that doesn't realize the end game. I'm quite aware. It's Biden's AWB 2.0 if he gets in office. |
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Posted: 10/9/2020 6:59:02 PM EDT
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So are Honey Badgers going to go up or down in price?
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Posted: 10/9/2020 6:59:25 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Quick question for those who are fast to take the "you're a boot licker "angle....... Did you buy a brace to avoid the requirements of SBR registration, or to skate around some State law/restriction? Was it always your intent to use the brace as a stock? Just curious.....trying to determine the difference between a patriot and a bootlicker Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Some people like the taste of boot polish. Quick question for those who are fast to take the "you're a boot licker "angle....... Did you buy a brace to avoid the requirements of SBR registration, or to skate around some State law/restriction? Was it always your intent to use the brace as a stock? Just curious.....trying to determine the difference between a patriot and a bootlicker I purchased one because it is Legal. I DO NOT HAVE TO EXPLAIN WHY! |
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Posted: 10/9/2020 7:13:40 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: They don't even try to blend in. The ATF bois on this site don't post much .....last one that did got asked by his superiors to stop. |
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Posted: 10/9/2020 7:17:08 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The ATF bois on this site don't post much .....last one that did got asked by his superiors to stop. Yet, here you are posting... |
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Posted: 10/9/2020 7:32:15 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Yet, here you are posting... Do you actually think I'm some sort of undercover ATF agent posting on this site simply because my opinion of what caused this possible reclassification differs from yours? Many long time posters here remember Dan P. from the NFA branch helping people in the tech forms, till clowns started beating him up.....and then he was gone. My recommendation to you, and Alwayswrong, is just to keep on doing what you're doing..... Make sure to let me know when they decide to either confiscate my SBR's/MG's, or overturn the NFA |
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Posted: 10/9/2020 7:47:31 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Do you actually think I'm some sort of undercover ATF agent posting on this site simply because my opinion of what caused this possible reclassification differs from yours? Many long time posters here remember Dan P. from the NFA branch helping people in the tech forms, till clowns started beating him up.....and then he was gone. My recommendation to you, and Alwayswrong, is just to keep on doing what you're doing..... Make sure to let me know when they decide to either confiscate my SBR's/MG's, or overturn the NFA Your post where I said you were ATF was quite suspect. Why do you care what people do with their private property? Especially when it’s an inanimate object and whether or not it touches a shoulder or not has no victim. That’s the stuff government does... Sorry but I’m not one to go prying into other peoples business or being an apologist for laws that people from a few generations ago decided they’d infringe on my Rights and give me stupid arbitrary rules to follow that have no victims. |
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Posted: 10/9/2020 7:49:18 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Yet, here you are posting... I think it's more like the mall cop who wants to be G-man. |
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Posted: 10/9/2020 7:50:04 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I'm quite aware. It's Biden's AWB 2.0 if he gets in office. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: In my opinion, it is you that doesn't realize the end game. I'm quite aware. It's Biden's AWB 2.0 if he gets in office. That's myopic. The END game is disarming the American people. |
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Posted: 10/9/2020 8:06:14 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I think it's more like the mall cop who wants to be G-man. No.....just trying to point out the fallacy of the argument by some in this specific case............. On their page (now removed btw), "Q" referred to the brace as a "stock".....right there....black and white......and people here are now arguing that it isn't......in direct contradiction to the manufacturers advertising..... fortunately, the internet saves everything..... https://web.archive.org/web/20200612164704/https://www.liveqordie.com/products/honey-badger-pistol/ "COMMON FEATURES & SPECS: CLEAR HARD COAT ANODIZED 7075 ALUMINUM RECEIVERS FREE FLOATING MLOK HANDGUARD 70° SAFETY SELECTOR 2-POSITION TELESCOPING STOCK ADJUSTABLE, LOW-PROFILE GAS BLOCK MUZZLE: 5/8-24 Threads, Tapered Muzzle, Cherry Bomb Muzzle Brake TRIGGER: 2-Stage Match AR CONTROLS" |
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Posted: 10/9/2020 8:08:38 PM EDT
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Plenty of braced pistols aren’t AR variants. Braced pistols fill a legal niche for travel. Not everyone with a braced pistols is trying to dodge tax stamps. If they were never invented or tolerated in the law then an unloaded SBR and a yearly mother-may-I Form-fuck is a hardship many could go back to. Same with NFA trusts, it’s not like CLEO sycophancy or political contributions were that hard for vetted and trusted patrons with discretionary crumbs.
The problem here is the arbitrary “public servants” admitted where the line was, and now the self appointed mandarins want to fucking move it again. With no evidence of a compelling public interest or problem trend. Because of an advertising typo? JFC. Functionally sized firearms aren’t going away. The dumb-asses tried to squeeze magazine capacity and bred demand for “pocket rocket” sub-compact handguns that fueled an era of CCW growth. Fine, do away with braces. Some retired autistic engineer will invent a helmet mounted, servo controlled, triggerless, voice activated gun parts washer that sprays a mixture of diesel and gasoline past an over-powered heating element. Yippee ki yay. |
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Posted: 10/9/2020 8:11:17 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: No.....just trying to point out the fallacy of the argument by some in this specific case............. On their page (now removed btw), "Q" referred to the brace as a "stock".....right there....black and white......and people are now arguing that it isn't......in direct contradiction to the manufacturers advertising..... fortunately, the internet saves everything..... https://web.archive.org/web/20200612164704/https://www.liveqordie.com/products/honey-badger-pistol/ "COMMON FEATURES & SPECS: CLEAR HARD COAT ANODIZED 7075 ALUMINUM RECEIVERS FREE FLOATING MLOK HANDGUARD 70° SAFETY SELECTOR 2-POSITION TELESCOPING STOCK ADJUSTABLE, LOW-PROFILE GAS BLOCK MUZZLE: 5/8-24 Threads, Tapered Muzzle, Cherry Bomb Muzzle Brake TRIGGER: 2-Stage Match AR CONTROLS" Thank you for posting that! I have been trying to find what language was used that might have caught the attention of the ATF. Of course, it could be simply a mistake in typing and ATF would have to really be looking for it or received a complaint, or complaints, about it. ETA: Based upon the information from Q, the way ATF handled things afterwards really points towards an agenda on the part of ATF. They seem to want to keep things vague when it comes to braces so they retain power. |
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Posted: 10/9/2020 8:15:39 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: No.....just trying to point out the fallacy of the argument by some in this specific case............. On their page (now removed btw), "Q" referred to the brace as a "stock".....right there....black and white......and people here are now arguing that it isn't......in direct contradiction to the manufacturers advertising..... fortunately, the internet saves everything..... https://web.archive.org/web/20200612164704/https://www.liveqordie.com/products/honey-badger-pistol/ "COMMON FEATURES & SPECS: CLEAR HARD COAT ANODIZED 7075 ALUMINUM RECEIVERS FREE FLOATING MLOK HANDGUARD 70° SAFETY SELECTOR 2-POSITION TELESCOPING STOCK ADJUSTABLE, LOW-PROFILE GAS BLOCK MUZZLE: 5/8-24 Threads, Tapered Muzzle, Cherry Bomb Muzzle Brake TRIGGER: 2-Stage Match AR CONTROLS" Does Q not also sell a true SBRd honey badger? Is it possible someone accidentally copied and pasted the specs and forgot to edit the only difference between the SBR and the Pistol? |
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Posted: 10/9/2020 8:15:48 PM EDT
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If the Trump administration really wanted to impress those who cherish the 2A, they could extend an olive branch by working to take SBRs out of NFA status. Perhaps they could direct ATF that braces have proven that SBR classification is a joke and enforcement should now be nil.
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Posted: 10/9/2020 8:16:45 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Does Q not also sell a true SBRd honey badger? Is it possible someone accidentally copied and pasted the specs and forgot to edit the only difference between the SBR and the Pistol? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: No.....just trying to point out the fallacy of the argument by some in this specific case............. On their page (now removed btw), "Q" referred to the brace as a "stock".....right there....black and white......and people here are now arguing that it isn't......in direct contradiction to the manufacturers advertising..... fortunately, the internet saves everything..... https://web.archive.org/web/20200612164704/https://www.liveqordie.com/products/honey-badger-pistol/ "COMMON FEATURES & SPECS: CLEAR HARD COAT ANODIZED 7075 ALUMINUM RECEIVERS FREE FLOATING MLOK HANDGUARD 70° SAFETY SELECTOR 2-POSITION TELESCOPING STOCK ADJUSTABLE, LOW-PROFILE GAS BLOCK MUZZLE: 5/8-24 Threads, Tapered Muzzle, Cherry Bomb Muzzle Brake TRIGGER: 2-Stage Match AR CONTROLS" Does Q not also sell a true SBRd honey badger? Is it possible someone accidentally copied and pasted the specs and forgot to edit the only difference between the SBR and the Pistol? That's what I assume happened. A simple mistake that could've been cleared up with one phone call from ATF. |
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Posted: 10/9/2020 8:21:21 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Does Q not also sell a true SBRd honey badger? Is it possible someone accidentally copied and pasted the specs and forgot to edit the only difference between the SBR and the Pistol? The description of the "stock" on the Honey Badger Pistol and on the Honey Badger SBR is different......it's not a copy/paste......however they are referred to as "stocks" on both products the archived HB SBR Page: https://web.archive.org/web/20200506230300/https://www.liveqordie.com/products/honey-badger-sbr/ |
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Posted: 10/9/2020 8:30:08 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The description of the "stock" on the Honey Badger Pistol and on the Honey Badger SBR is different......it's not a copy/paste......however they are referred to as "stocks" on both products the archived HB SBR Page: https://web.archive.org/web/20200506230300/https://www.liveqordie.com/products/honey-badger-sbr/ Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Does Q not also sell a true SBRd honey badger? Is it possible someone accidentally copied and pasted the specs and forgot to edit the only difference between the SBR and the Pistol? The description of the "stock" on the Honey Badger Pistol and on the Honey Badger SBR is different......it's not a copy/paste......however they are referred to as "stocks" on both products the archived HB SBR Page: https://web.archive.org/web/20200506230300/https://www.liveqordie.com/products/honey-badger-sbr/ "2-POSITION COLLAPSIBLE PDW STOCK" -vs- "2-POSITION TELESCOPING STOCK" I can still see that being just a typing mistake, possibly even being copy & paste in origin. A simple ATF phone call, email, or letter pointing it out would've solved the "issue". The end result being "2-POSITION TELESCOPING BRACE". A one word fix. Easy-peasy. |
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Posted: 10/9/2020 8:30:55 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The description of the "stock" on the Honey Badger Pistol and on the Honey Badger SBR is different......it's not a copy/paste......however they are referred to as "stocks" on both products the archived HB SBR Page: https://web.archive.org/web/20200506230300/https://www.liveqordie.com/products/honey-badger-sbr/ Well, could have been intentional, or could have been an error made by whoever was putting the info up for them. Like a non gun nut web developer or similar. Hard to say, but they shouldn’t have advertised a brace as a stock due to unconstitutional arbitrary numbers people decided to write on paper almost a century ago. |
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Posted: 10/9/2020 8:57:19 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Blaming a lack of Congressional support, which we don't know if there really is or isn't since Trump hasn't pushed Congress to make any pro-2A movement on, is a cop-out especially in light of how he rammed the bumpstock ban through at the Executive level. Trump doesn't need Congress to give us the Second Amendment Coalition he promised. Trump doesn't need Congress to mandate military base carry like he promised on Day 1 and which may have prevented at least 2 military base shootings that have happened in the last 3.5 years. Trump doesn't need Congress to direct the AG to go after those within the ATF that were behind Fast And Furious. Trump doesn't need Congress to "promote" anti-gun swamp personnel in the ATF to a hypothetical newly founded Nome, Alaska ATF office since it's hard to actually fire government personnel. Trump doesn't need Congress to direct the Justice Department to not prosecute NFA laws in cases like Kettler v US in contravention of Kansas state law, and publicly state he was making this directive like Obama did with DOMA. Trump doesn't need Congress to re-allow imports of Veprs he banned. Trump doesn't need Congress to undo the 1989 Import Ban GHWB put in place. Trump doesn't need Congress to undo the Barrel Ban GWB put in place. Trump doesn't need Congress to direct the ATF to redefine "sporting purposes" in the GCA to be more Second Amendment friendly. Trump doesn't need Congress to not call up and praise other Republicans for passing gun control. Trump doesn't need Congress to constantly push a pro-2A message in public and on social media, not just when it's election season. Trump doesn't need Congress to not appoint an AG nominee that supported the Ruby Ridge snipers (only to get the nominee voted on). In fact, Congress protected gun owners from Trump's anti-gun FOP head ATF nominee which he didn't have to select. If Trump even did only 1/4 of those things above that he could do unilaterally, he'd be nearly beyond reproach on the Second Amendment.  |
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Posted: 10/9/2020 9:07:36 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Bingo. Well said. Trump literally doesn't care about guns or gun rights. I don't think he is opposed to gun rights, or is anti-gun per se - but he certainly is not pro-gun either. It's just not something that's a big deal to him, and I think he doesn't really give a shit one way or the other. To him, it's just some issue that his advisors tell him he need to pretend to care about when it's time for an election, or if there has been some big shooting that lots of people care about. Outside of those two events, guns are just not on his radar. I'm still going to vote for him, as everyone should! But I am not going to lie to myself about what I am voting for. |
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Posted: 10/9/2020 9:07:56 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Also, apparently some people are so embroiled in their own ignorance they haven't even watched the interview Noir did with the founder of SB Tactical. This attack by the ATF is, in his words, an orchestrated effort by political hacks in the ATF's chief counsel office that are Obama era employees to piss off the President's base so close to an election. And yet, some are gleefully marching right along with it. Quote HistoryQuoted: Also, apparently some people are so embroiled in their own ignorance they haven't even watched the interview Noir did with the founder of SB Tactical. This attack by the ATF is, in his words, an orchestrated effort by political hacks in the ATF's chief counsel office that are Obama era employees to piss off the President's base so close to an election. And yet, some are gleefully marching right along with it. As I said back on page 15 when the same excuse was used: Trump has had 3 years to clean house at ATF and the opportunity to appoint a pro-2A ATF Director and pro-2A AG. What did we get? Zero ATF deep state house cleaning, an anti-gun Director nominee who was such poison that Republicans said they wouldn't vote for him lest it hurt their record and his name had to be withdrawn, and an AG that defends the snipers at Ruby Ridge. If this hurts Trump, there's no one but Trump to blame...  Attached FileSorry this is Trump's tar baby...  Attached File |
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Posted: 10/9/2020 9:11:30 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Does Q not also sell a true SBRd honey badger? Is it possible someone accidentally copied and pasted the specs and forgot to edit the only difference between the SBR and the Pistol? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: No.....just trying to point out the fallacy of the argument by some in this specific case............. On their page (now removed btw), "Q" referred to the brace as a "stock".....right there....black and white......and people here are now arguing that it isn't......in direct contradiction to the manufacturers advertising..... fortunately, the internet saves everything..... https://web.archive.org/web/20200612164704/https://www.liveqordie.com/products/honey-badger-pistol/ "COMMON FEATURES & SPECS: CLEAR HARD COAT ANODIZED 7075 ALUMINUM RECEIVERS FREE FLOATING MLOK HANDGUARD 70° SAFETY SELECTOR 2-POSITION TELESCOPING STOCK ADJUSTABLE, LOW-PROFILE GAS BLOCK MUZZLE: 5/8-24 Threads, Tapered Muzzle, Cherry Bomb Muzzle Brake TRIGGER: 2-Stage Match AR CONTROLS" Does Q not also sell a true SBRd honey badger? Is it possible someone accidentally copied and pasted the specs and forgot to edit the only difference between the SBR and the Pistol? The only difference is the plastic at the end of the brace vs stock when you buy a pistol vs factory SBR. Kharn |
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Posted: 10/9/2020 9:12:24 PM EDT
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What's the number of us to issue a C&D on them?
Is there a petition? :) |
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Posted: 10/9/2020 9:13:18 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: If the Trump administration really wanted to impress those who cherish the 2A, they could extend an olive branch by working to take SBRs out of NFA status. Perhaps they could direct ATF that braces have proven that SBR classification is a joke and enforcement should now be nil. Lol,why would he care? He knows he has the gun owner vote no matter what he does- a little lip service to fire them up and the votes roll in... |
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Posted: 10/9/2020 9:15:15 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Your post where I said you were ATF was quite suspect. Why do you care what people do with their private property? Especially when it’s an inanimate object and whether or not it touches a shoulder or not has no victim. That’s the stuff government does... Sorry but I’m not one to go prying into other peoples business or being an apologist for laws that people from a few generations ago decided they’d infringe on my Rights and give me stupid arbitrary rules to follow that have no victims. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Do you actually think I'm some sort of undercover ATF agent posting on this site simply because my opinion of what caused this possible reclassification differs from yours? Many long time posters here remember Dan P. from the NFA branch helping people in the tech forms, till clowns started beating him up.....and then he was gone. My recommendation to you, and Alwayswrong, is just to keep on doing what you're doing..... Make sure to let me know when they decide to either confiscate my SBR's/MG's, or overturn the NFA Your post where I said you were ATF was quite suspect. Why do you care what people do with their private property? Especially when it’s an inanimate object and whether or not it touches a shoulder or not has no victim. That’s the stuff government does... Sorry but I’m not one to go prying into other peoples business or being an apologist for laws that people from a few generations ago decided they’d infringe on my Rights and give me stupid arbitrary rules to follow that have no victims.  Attached File |
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Posted: 10/9/2020 9:16:34 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Lol,why would he care? He knows he has the gun owner vote no matter what he does- a little lip service to fire them up and the votes roll in... Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: If the Trump administration really wanted to impress those who cherish the 2A, they could extend an olive branch by working to take SBRs out of NFA status. Perhaps they could direct ATF that braces have proven that SBR classification is a joke and enforcement should now be nil. Lol,why would he care? He knows he has the gun owner vote no matter what he does- a little lip service to fire them up and the votes roll in... Yep. I agree. |
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Posted: 10/9/2020 9:16:40 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: That's myopic. The END game is disarming the American people. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: In my opinion, it is you that doesn't realize the end game. I'm quite aware. It's Biden's AWB 2.0 if he gets in office. That's myopic. The END game is disarming the American people. Both roads take us there. |
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Posted: 10/9/2020 9:21:00 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Both roads take us there. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: In my opinion, it is you that doesn't realize the end game. I'm quite aware. It's Biden's AWB 2.0 if he gets in office. That's myopic. The END game is disarming the American people. Both roads take us there. Indeed. ETA: One of them takes us there kicking, screaming, and fighting "them". The other takes us there compliant and fighting other gun owners. |
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Posted: 10/9/2020 9:27:21 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Indeed. ETA: One of them takes us there kicking, screaming, and fighting "them". The other takes us there compliant and fighting other gun owners. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: In my opinion, it is you that doesn't realize the end game. I'm quite aware. It's Biden's AWB 2.0 if he gets in office. That's myopic. The END game is disarming the American people. Both roads take us there. Indeed. ETA: One of them takes us there kicking, screaming, and fighting "them". The other takes us there compliant and fighting other gun owners.  Attached File |
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Posted: 10/10/2020 2:19:50 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: In my opinion, it is you that doesn't realize the end game. I'm quite aware. It's Biden's AWB 2.0 if he gets in office. That's myopic. The END game is disarming the American people. Both roads take us there. Indeed. ETA: One of them takes us there kicking, screaming, and fighting "them". The other takes us there compliant and fighting other gun owners. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/463094/A6C591A8-4771-4CF3-8ACC-D65120A535AC_jpe-1628390.JPG  Attached File |
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Posted: 10/10/2020 2:32:35 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Exactly.... he is not to be trusted. The idea that any criticism of Trump's actions on guns is viewed as endorsing Biden is ludicrous. It is simply pointing out that Trump is a danger to gun owners and would throw us under the bus if it scored him political points like he did in the past already. Where have you been? You really can't question anything Trump does or says or you get bombarded with cries of "sorry your girl lost" or the like. Its impossible to have any kind of rational discussion here anymore This past year was the first time I didn't re-up my membership in 10 years |
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Posted: 10/10/2020 2:53:17 AM EDT
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Meanwhile you can whistle past the FBI office on your way to buy weed in many states. Selective enforcement cheapens statutes and promotes bad government based on a "it doesn't matter since nobody will enforce it" approach to poorly written laws.
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Posted: 10/10/2020 3:53:53 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Quick question for those who are fast to take the "you're a boot licker "angle....... Did you buy a brace to avoid the requirements of SBR registration, or to skate around some State law/restriction? Was it always your intent to use the brace as a stock? Just curious.....trying to determine the difference between a patriot and a bootlicker Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Some people like the taste of boot polish. Quick question for those who are fast to take the "you're a boot licker "angle....... Did you buy a brace to avoid the requirements of SBR registration, or to skate around some State law/restriction? Was it always your intent to use the brace as a stock? Just curious.....trying to determine the difference between a patriot and a bootlicker Trying to goad people into potentially admitting criminal intent is a dick move, and should be a bannable offense. 
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Posted: 10/10/2020 4:12:08 AM EDT
[#37]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Trying to goad people into potentially admitting criminal intent is a dick move, and should be a bannable offense. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Some people like the taste of boot polish. Quick question for those who are fast to take the "you're a boot licker "angle....... Did you buy a brace to avoid the requirements of SBR registration, or to skate around some State law/restriction? Was it always your intent to use the brace as a stock? Just curious.....trying to determine the difference between a patriot and a bootlicker Trying to goad people into potentially admitting criminal intent is a dick move, and should be a bannable offense. Agreed. GTFO. |
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Posted: 10/10/2020 5:01:30 AM EDT
[#38]
You do realize that ATF assigns folks to monitor this board?
The "Violent Crimes Analysis Branch" it like FAT-D (re-branded Tech Branch) in Martinsbug, WV and several Special Agents from all over cruise the site "telecommuting"...Like Special Agent Tommy Ho for example. Of course they are here. Way more lurkers than posters. |
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Posted: 10/10/2020 5:07:35 AM EDT
[#39]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Meanwhile you can whistle past the FBI office on your way to buy weed in many states. Selective enforcement cheapens statutes and promotes bad government based on a "it doesn't matter since nobody will enforce it" approach to poorly written laws. |
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Posted: 10/10/2020 8:33:06 AM EDT
[#40]
Reminder to hit that canned letter from the the GOA, https://gunowners.org/na10072020/
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Posted: 10/10/2020 8:36:43 AM EDT
[#41]
I have to agree with dozens of posters here;
The real issue is that with modern advances, the Short Barrel Rifle should no longer be classified as an NFA item. Same with suppressors. |
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Posted: 10/10/2020 8:48:00 AM EDT
[#42]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Reminder to hit that canned letter from the the GOA, https://gunowners.org/na10072020/ Hit again |
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Posted: 10/10/2020 10:23:05 AM EDT
[#43]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Arfcom after bumpstock reclassification: https://media1.giphy.com/media/eIsc7lFqLg1ePeqWri/200.gif Arfcom after Honey Badger reclassification: https://rooftopfilmclub.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/03/first-blood.gif 
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Posted: 10/10/2020 10:25:46 AM EDT
[#44]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Hope you don't have any dogs...   |
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Posted: 10/10/2020 10:27:02 AM EDT
[#45]
Quote HistoryQuote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Arfcom after bumpstock reclassification: https://media1.giphy.com/media/eIsc7lFqLg1ePeqWri/200.gif Arfcom after Honey Badger reclassification: https://rooftopfilmclub.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/03/first-blood.gif https://i.imgur.com/ndDcS88.gif  |
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Posted: 10/10/2020 10:28:47 AM EDT
[#46]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I have to agree with dozens of posters here; The real issue is that with modern advances, the Short Barrel Rifle should no longer be classified as an NFA item. Same with suppressors. SBRs are only banned because congress was too lazy to take them out of the NFA bill after they removed handguns from the original legislation. |
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Posted: 10/10/2020 10:31:06 AM EDT
[#47]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Reminder to hit that canned letter from the the GOA, https://gunowners.org/na10072020/ Hit again |
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Posted: 10/10/2020 10:31:12 AM EDT
[#48]
Quote HistoryQuoted: SBRs are only banned because congress was too lazy to take them out of the NFA bill after they removed handguns from the original legislation. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I have to agree with dozens of posters here; The real issue is that with modern advances, the Short Barrel Rifle should no longer be classified as an NFA item. Same with suppressors. SBRs are only banned because congress was too lazy to take them out of the NFA bill after they removed handguns from the original legislation. |
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Posted: 10/10/2020 10:33:06 AM EDT
[#49]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I've said numerous times that Trump can come up with similar policies as the Obana Administration did with dope. The Trump Administration honored thise policies for dope. He could do the ssme with guns and hasn't. Instead the DOJ is going full steam ahead on prosecuting gun crimes. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Meanwhile you can whistle past the FBI office on your way to buy weed in many states. Selective enforcement cheapens statutes and promotes bad government based on a "it doesn't matter since nobody will enforce it" approach to poorly written laws. Oooof Trump Administration Steps Up Prosecution of Gun Crimes |
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Posted: 10/10/2020 10:33:51 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Hope you don't have any dogs... https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/57330/atf_dog-1420950.jpg 
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