Paul Harrell actually made a rant about "How to stop mass shootings", and said that we havent even done the first step of properly defining it.

The teenage gang shooters, the family annihilator shooters, the "going postal" revenge shooters, or the schizos all have motivations, and fall under the stats on mass shootings. But then there are the "Body count" shooters who have none of that, and just want to harm as many as possible

That's a fine trail of, "nobody's gonna do anything to stop her, the world is an awful place."  

Good point about the kid telling people or family knowing. But without the father actually admitting it- they would have had to prove in court that he 'gave it over to his son for keeping'.  

Buying it, and letting the son shoot it under adult supervision can be argued is responsible- even under the screwed up circumstances. Giving it over to the son for keeping- and then admitting it is where he fucked up.

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They have no interest in doing that.

The definition of mass shooting got changed several years ago to intentionally make things seem like these type of events were happening all of the time.

They conflate urban gang violence in Chicago as being exactly the same as this type of school shooting on purpose.

Because he's a 14 year old kid? That's incredibly mild by today's standards. I saw his pic and wondered why he had a '70s haircut.

Willkommen to Neu ARFcom, citizen.

End wokeness doesn't have a stellar record.

Nobody in this thread said teenage kids having access to firearms or giving guns as gifts should be a crime. They are saying you shouldn't give a gun to anyone that is suspect of being violent or deranged. How many times has the FBI come to your house over complaints of your kid? I'm gonna guess this is not a common occurrence and should be alarm bells for any father.


What are the odds that the kid didn't make any threats and then 12 months later is a school shooter?

When I was 12, my family moved from Chicago to a rural Wisconsin town. My hair, while not dyed, was just about as long as this kid's. I was the single long hair in a sea of sunburned necks. I got picked on for it, but I never cut it, because fuck them. Eventually, I made friends and got a nickname, again because of the hair, and life moved on.

Growing up with that mom would could create, not only that kind of monster, but also hone the ability to distance yourself from the world sufficiently to hold it together. For most of us, sitting across from a deputy who could seriously jam us up at 13 would have been a major emotional event. For kids like that, it's Tuesday.

That vast majority of "regular" people default to telling the cops the truth, believing they are the good guys. Probably never occurred to him to lie. That sort of thought (along with the advice to STFU) is reserved for us cynics.

I wonder what "photos of firearms" he shared online, since he wasn't given the murder weapon until months later.

Liberal Media PANIC DELETES Post After LYING About JD Vance DISMISSING Georgia Mass Shooting

Here's what he actually said (6:27)




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Hardly is that what I was saying.  The mental gymnastics are just jumping to conspiracy theory's about whatever ABC .gov organization is on GD's shitlist that month.  I'm about as against the FBI as anyone is regards to them being against "us" and absolute fuckups to the max, doesn't mean it was a conspiracy.

Also, big difference between holding a manufacturer of an inanimate object accountable and holding a father who knowing gave his son an AR15 after he threatened a school and was questioned by authority's.

A 14yr old isn't ready for a 5.56?

 Please tell me that's sarcasm?

No shit, by 14 I had a .357, .243, 7mm Rem Mag and a 12gauge.  Lots of kids are also driving around here by 14.

SO went to his house, not FBI. I've had to field numerous complaints over a couple of my kids acting out, although, given where I live and the nature of the incidents, I only dealt with the schools and was able to head it off before LEO got involved. Younger son thought it was funny to bite people well into junior high, and mom thought it was hilarious, so she encouraged it. Just as an example.

Just to be clear, all of my guns are locked up. 2 of the kids had the combination, 2 didn't. All 4 are grown now, youngest son is still not right. Also a Bernie bro, but I repeat myself.

I've also had numerous interactions with CPS. Because my ex is BPD. It took me YEARS to clear my name of the bullshit she accused me of, and CPS lapped that shit up like gravy, lemme tell you! Every word she said was believed without doubt, while any witnesses I provided were shut out. I still expect her to make a call if Red Flag laws ever go national. And she wasn't even a meth head, just broken.

And yet, half of this thread is "the father is criminally responsible," based on ONE contact with local SO. I stand by my prior post. If it turns out the dad knew, I'll reevaluate. But until then, I'm withholding judgement.

Not an excuse for murder, but definitely bolsters the case against his dumbass dad buying him a rifle.

As a father my first thought wouldn't be "Fuck the FBI they are all just leftists hacks against Trump. I'm gonna trust my son 100% and not investigate further".


When we got through the interrogation, I would:

1) Lock up all guns or take them out of the house.
2) Take away all computer and cellphone access from the child.
3) Review the history of the computer. See if he was using discord often. See if he was using VPNs. Try to see if there was ANY possibility that the FBI wasn't wrong.
4) Take the kid to a psychiatrist / therapist.


I most definitely would not take a sovereign citizen, fuck the FBI and law enforcement, everything I don't like is WOKE! and buy my son an AR15. I'd actually be a real dad to him and not let him fuck up his own life and many others. Again I don't know how I feel about codifying laws to go after parents, but parents should try to give a fuck about raising their kids.


ETA: Sorry to hear about your troubles I am sure that is infuriating.

I live in Barrow County, and have met some of the sheriff’s deputies and SROs who responded.  This whole thing is still too raw for everyone, so I haven’t tried to make contact with them.  

At this point, it appears that the shooter’s father was the pivot point that made this whole thing possible.  When I was a kid, I knew where my Dad’s shotgun was in the closet.  I knew where the ammunition was.  I knew where his .38 Special was.  I also knew that if I touched them without permission, I would be in serious trouble.  When I was 12 he gave me a bolt action .22 and the single shot 20ga he had previously used - but they were out only when I was with him.  We plinked tin cans together.  We hunted together.  OBTW, Mom took us to church every Sunday.  And no abuse.  Perfect family?  Not even close.  But steadfastly on the right side on the question of mass murder.

I wonder if part of the whole school shooting phenomenon is tied to mass exposure of similar events.  I say that because the Clutter family murders also happened when I was a kid - just a couple of hours down the road.  Proximity and knowledge to be sure, but no 24/7 news channels.

From the early reports so far, the Barrow County shooter’s parents apparently abused him, ignored his episode of flirting with school shootings, and then bought him a semi-automatic centerfire rifle.  Whether legally responsible under Georgia law, or not, this father needed a Leroy Jethro Gibbs slap up side the head.

Dude, give it up.   This is GD.  Half the people here think T$ is going to open the machinegun registry. You think they’re grounded enough to give a shit about “proof” regarding a discord account?

The FBI didn’t go to the family, the local popo did, and it sounds like that wasn’t the first time the man had been involved with the family.

They were characterized by the FBI and GA LE as specific terroristic threats to shoot up schools containing images of guns, which is all I know with certainty and that those threats were backed up as such by the tipsters.  No one has presented any results from a FOI request or FBI/GA LEO release.

True, and they have no interest in solving the problem.

Too bad the son can't get the death penalty.  Both he and his father deserve nothing less.

Imagine your son making school shooting threats, then moving him to a new district and not notifying them of his previous problems and then buying him a gun for christmas.

ETA: And of course both the FBI and local LEO's fail to take action ahead of time.  Shocking.

..my 9yr old shoots my .22. He can legally hunt whitetail at 14.

The posts also were: "expressing frustrations with the treatment of transgender people". His father told police he was gay, and was being bullied over it.

It's lining up like the discord account was his. I'm not sure there will ever be "proof". There's already sufficient evidence to accept that it's true.

What we know about it from what was explicitly stated is proof enough for me, given the circumstances. The only way we'd have irrefutable proof is if he recorded himself writing the posts in high definition. The alternative that he wanted us to believe is that he was hacked, and the hacker deliberately went out of their way to post that shit. While that's technically possible, it virtually has a 0% chance of being true.

Meh.   Having had to deal with similar calls over the years Id have to see what was actually said and I'll default to the SO saying there wasnt any PC for an arrest when they did the interview at this point.   When it comes to threats of school shooters agencies tend to be on the overzealous side of things when it comes to responses.

What are the odds the FBI being 100% wrong with Colt Gray? Did they randomly find a kid who had nothing to do with nothing and then became the very thing they were investigating in less than 1 year?


Either way as Colt's dad, my spidey senses would have been tingling. I would have kept the kid on an extremely short leash until I was convinced he wasn't the killer he would turn out to be.

Former landlord reveals how father of Georgia school shooter 'kicked in the door' to retrieve guns and heartless treatment of their German shepherds



A former landlord to the parents of accused Georgia school shooter, Colt Gray, has portrayed the family as both cold hearted and callous.

The man, who spoke on condition of anonymity, described how Colin, 54, and Marcee Gray, 43, were allegedly chaotic tenants to deal with and he ultimately had them evicted.

Even more shockingly, he said, when the now estranged couple fell behind on their rent and were forced from their rental home in 2020, they decided to leave their pets behind, only returning to retrieve their guns - and allegedly kicking down the front door as they did so.

'The craziest part of all is that they left [their] two German Shepherds,' the landlord told The Independent.

'I imagine the next place where they were renting didn't allow dogs, so they just left them.'

The landlord explained that even when he tried to contact the couple to reunite them with their pets, they weren't interested and ignored his calls.





The pair have suddenly become the center of attention after the alleged actions of their 14-year-old son, Colt, accused of fatally gunning down four people and injuring nine more at Apalachee High School in Winder, Georgia.

Details have since emerged of prior arrests and earlier this week charges filed against the father for allegedly giving his son the weapon used in the shooting.

Concern for their guns aside, it appears the couple were as cavalier with their pets as they were with their possessions.




'They left their wedding photos,. My wife tried to contact her to say, 'Hey, do you want these? Like, you can have them.' And she never responded. So we ended up having to throw away their wedding pictures,' the landlord explained.  

Looking back at his time dealing with the pair, he claims that he had a 'bad feeling' about the couple from the start.

At first it was was little things including the refusal by Colin to look at him in the eye, or even shake his hand.



The landlord also noted how then-wife, Marcee, had a long rap sheet for drug possession while also seeming to be 'scared as hell' of her husband.

It wasn't long the before the couple fell behind on their rent and the family, that included their three children, were forced to vacate the rental home, leaving behind the family's dogs and a host of other random objects including a golf bag, archery set and various tools.

Owing thousands of dollars in unpaid rent, the Grays were not quick to leave and ultimately the unnamed landlord was forced to change the locks in order to get the family out once and for all.

When dad Colin Gray returned to collect something he did care about - his weapons - he was forced to 'kicked in the door to get his guns out.'

The landlord reported the break-in to the police but was recommended not to press any criminal charges as he had only 'stolen' his own belongings back.  

It was only when Colin and Marcee's names made headline news earlier this week the landlord recalled his unsettling encounters with the family having 'kind of forgotten about them.'


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Well if we can confirm the dad is the type to abandon family dogs I think we'll all be much cooler with incarceration now.

99% of dogs are better than 99% of humans

You think it someone made a fake account, made it look like he was threatening to shoot up the school and then he actually shot up the school?  That is quite a bizarre conspiracy theory/coincidence.

Idiot pieces of shit like this dad tend to brag to friends, coworkers and relatives."You gave your son a new cell phone.  That ain't shit.  I gave MY son an AR15 and 500 rounds of ammo.   He will keep it secured under his bed!"

Maybe this will stop the bizarre defense of this scumbag family by some posters here.

Again, it wasn't the FBI, it was the local sheriff's department. They purportedly contacted him once, and left without taking any action. Nearly everything you propose, assuming that single interaction was the only one with law enforcement, is an overreaction, and comes across as kind of hysterical.

I don't know where the sovereign citizen nonsense came from, but what you wrote in conjunction with that term is at least  hyperbolic. At most, more hysteria.

The deputies seemed to have at least gone along with the kid's claims, so why shouldn't the dad? And if they'd have asked to see the kid's computer/phone, based on the rest of what I heard, he'd likely have said, "go ahead on." I wonder if the deputies would have looked for signs a VPN was being used?

We don't (at least I  don't) have any idea how tech savvy the dad is. How sure are we that the dad even knew what a VPN is? Kid seems to know enough to have hidden anything sus from your standard normie. I mean, he was leaving clues in cyrillic, FFS.

Maybe my history with the system has given me a different perspective. And I'm perfectly willing to condemn the dad if information comes out that he knew more than it currently appears. ATM, though, I'm not going full Superkaren and leap tall buildings of assumption to blame him for not being as tech savvy or suspicious as the denizens of a political/gun forum.

Am I wrong for thinking the hunting pictures look a little odd?

His dad said he got his first deer this year and he had blood on his cheeks so you know he appreciates what guns are capable of.

Those pictures look like he smeared blood on his cheeks like an indian caricature and they were not from tracking and gutting the animal.

It's a minor point but I can't help but see the warning signs colt may have been a very troubled little boy. Why is there blood on both cheeks before he gutted the deer?

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Yeah, i suspect that, now the authorities have his electronics, if they really want to, they'll be able to find the tracks.

Throw enough shit at the wall?

So now you know where my snarky comments come from about distrusting the FBI.


We all like to post the meme "say the line. He was on our radar", but now we want to discredit all FBI claims. Which is it, was he on their radar or were they throwing shit at the wall?


How many kids at this school did the FBI tip off local LEO for being a potential threat vs how many became a school shooter? I'll bet my account it was Colt Gray and Colt Gray only at this school this year, and he was the only shooter.

While I largely agree with you, I don't think that having an error in judgment with no ill intent should result in 180 years in prison.

Crumbleys's got 10-15 years. They'll probably do half of it. That seems a more reasonable approach then the fact this dad has a very real chance spending life in prison.

That used to be a part of the right of passage for a boy's first kill, going back a good long time. At least it doesn't look like they ate the liver raw. That used to be a thing, too.

Maybe dad wasn't as comfortable with his son being gay as he lets on, and was trying to 'man him up' with stuff like that.

I'd feel different if the father did nothing and left his guns unattended. I feel extremely differently if he even had one iota of doubt and then he went and got his kid an AR15 that so many school and mosque shooters fetishize over. Be a fucking parent and be involved in what your kid is doing and who he is hanging out with. Or you know let him be a school shooter and ruin a bunch of other people's lives.

What I was saying was that we all hear about the kids they contact who go on to do something, but not the hundreds or thousands they contact who don't.

This would make a lot of sense if his kid didnt post under a pseudonym of "Lanza" and threatened to be a school shooter. Maybe I'm way out of line.

Unfortunately we can't read his brain and know what doubt he may or may not have had.

It does appear some consequences are probably reasonable. I don't think that means 180 yrs though. Similar to Crumbley's is probably reasonable. That is still a very severe consequence.

I am also concerned about the precedent. I won't be surprised when these same type of charges are used against parents that didn't have any reason to think their kid was going to get postal.

I can understand this. It's also sad for the ones that suffer through shit parents and bad situations.