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Posted: 11/20/2018 11:37:54 PM EDT
[#1]
It looks like an AK, FAL, and AR all had group sex and produced a but ugly offspring.
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Posted: 11/20/2018 11:38:55 PM EDT
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Posted: 11/20/2018 11:39:05 PM EDT
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Someday you'll be the last man with a gasoline car, milling replacement parts in your garage, an iconoclast sneering and fast, new, ultra reliable electric cars which are no match for the final gasser, a lovingly restored Yugo. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Posted By Madcap72:
Do you REALLY think the people in the market for obscure guns overlap with people who buy bargain basement el cheapo AR's, and will not do so ONLY because you can get shit tier guns cheap? That false dichotomy is silly. I mean, fuck me, I bought a Krag-Jorgensen when I could have bought a cheap AR for the same or less. 
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Posted: 11/20/2018 11:41:57 PM EDT
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It's the gun from Heat!
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Posted: 11/20/2018 11:41:59 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: MSRP $1250....when an AR can be put together for $500 Mike's thread in Retro: https://www.ar15.com/forums/t_3_123/733475_New-US-made-Leader-T2.html I'm glad they're back on the market, I just don't understand how they can be made profitably. Masterpiece Arms gave up. |
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Posted: 11/20/2018 11:48:16 PM EDT
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Posted: 11/20/2018 11:55:44 PM EDT
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Sweet, want it bad. Bought one the Masterpiece Arms clones that was a complete turd...
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Posted: 11/20/2018 11:55:55 PM EDT
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Armalite tried, no one besides like 5 of us on the AR-180 subfrom wanted them. Then they did whatever shake up happend. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Would rather have AR180, if we're just bring old guns back |
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Posted: 11/20/2018 11:59:49 PM EDT
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I honestly want one because it is different and would go nicely with my Daewoo K2 and Ruger Mini-14 GB.
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Posted: 11/21/2018 12:07:25 AM EDT
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Looks like something from California
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Posted: 11/21/2018 12:14:43 AM EDT
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"From my cold, dead hands....."
Except this one, you can have this one.... |
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Posted: 11/21/2018 12:15:35 AM EDT
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If a near 40 year old design were to be reintroduced to the American market (and modernized) I would have liked to have seen the Daewoo k2 and variants.
Still wouldn't be cost competitive to the AR, but lets face it, most nothing will be in the same market segment. |
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Posted: 11/21/2018 12:18:31 AM EDT
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If a near 40 year old design were to be reintroduced to the American market (and modernized) I would have liked to have seen the Daewoo k2 and variants. Still wouldn't be cost competitive to the AR, but lets face it, most nothing will be in the same market segment. 
The RobArm XCR is pretty much one. But I love mu legit 'Woo K2. |
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Posted: 11/21/2018 12:23:22 AM EDT
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Looks like an FAL had an abortion
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Posted: 11/21/2018 12:24:49 AM EDT
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From one dealer's perspective, there is the slightest tingling of nostalgia........but nobody's gonna actually buy this shit.
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Posted: 11/21/2018 12:26:24 AM EDT
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I like it.
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Posted: 11/21/2018 12:27:29 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: $300: https://www.ar15.com/forums/t_1_5/2047298_-300-AR-thread-for-Christmas-.html Mike's thread in Retro: https://www.ar15.com/forums/t_3_123/733475_New-US-made-Leader-T2.html I'm glad they're back on the market, I just don't understand how they can be made profitably. Masterpiece Arms gave up. in for one. |
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Posted: 11/21/2018 12:28:54 AM EDT
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They will sell about 6 a year
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Posted: 11/21/2018 12:31:56 AM EDT
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So utilitarian, kind of steampunk look. I really want one.
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Posted: 11/21/2018 12:34:04 AM EDT
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Would it have killed you to add a few pics from the article you linked to ?? No...it wouldn't have.  https://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2018/11/Australian-Leader-T2-Rifle-to-be-Made-in-USA-2.jpg Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Those who always wanted one can soon have another one.............and the parts will be interchangeable with the old ones Leader T2 No...it wouldn't have. https://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2018/11/Australian-Leader-T2-Rifle-to-be-Made-in-USA-2.jpg Nearly $1300 for something that looks like of was welded together out of old stop signs with some Chote furniture thrown on to round it out. lol |
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Posted: 11/21/2018 12:53:08 AM EDT
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Posted: 11/21/2018 1:23:06 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: https://i.imgur.com/U2wdswu.jpg |
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Posted: 11/21/2018 1:27:36 AM EDT
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That's ugly as fuck. |
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Posted: 11/21/2018 1:38:08 AM EDT
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Looks like and illegitimate love child of a Daewoo, FN-FAL, and an AR-180 with mac-9/10/11 that was watching and blew its load onto the threesome.
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Posted: 11/21/2018 1:40:19 AM EDT
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Why? Because sometimes I want to shoot something other than an AR15. |
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Posted: 11/21/2018 1:40:44 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Looks like and illegitimate love child of a Daewoo, FN-FAL, and an AR-180 with mac-9/10/11 that was watching and blew its load onto the threesome. |
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Posted: 11/21/2018 1:48:38 AM EDT
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The question is not why would you buy that rifle, but what does that rifle do at 4X the cost of a new AR? Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: https://i.imgur.com/U2wdswu.jpg |
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Posted: 11/21/2018 1:49:52 AM EDT
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I saw that and thought "why?" |
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Posted: 11/21/2018 2:00:36 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Lets people know you're not restricted to poverty AR's. |
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Posted: 11/21/2018 2:01:39 AM EDT
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Honestly, I don't find most military style rifles to be all that beautiful, including our beloved AR's but the usability and utility of them is what makes them great.
I would much rather see a dark rich wood stocked rifle any day, which is why I like collecting old English shotguns and such. |
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Posted: 11/21/2018 2:11:07 AM EDT
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MSRP $1250....when an AR can be put together for $500 |
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Posted: 11/21/2018 2:16:22 AM EDT
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Plenty of non-poverty ARs @ that price point if you want to class-signal. It's a neat design, just like the AK is a neat design. But other than the easy to make triangular bolt lugs and the possibility of a folding stock, what does it do better than an AR? Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: Lets people know you're not restricted to poverty AR's. It'll kill cardboard just as well as an AR will. |
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Posted: 11/21/2018 2:20:49 AM EDT
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Do you always look @ the outside? B/c the inside is interesting as fuck. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: Looks like and illegitimate love child of a Daewoo, FN-FAL, and an AR-180 with mac-9/10/11 that was watching and blew its load onto the threesome. 
For me, end the end.. all I want to know is does it run. Looks are third to me after reliability. |
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Posted: 11/21/2018 3:22:15 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Yeh, like there's not already a bazillion other rifle choices out there. |
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Posted: 11/21/2018 3:25:38 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I don't carry a 1911 because they don't take Glock mags. 
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Posted: 11/21/2018 4:04:15 AM EDT
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I saw that and thought "why?" pimp it to the piston crowd Nostalgia |
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Posted: 11/21/2018 4:17:52 AM EDT
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The question is not why would you buy that rifle, but what does that rifle do at 4X the cost of a new AR? Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: https://i.imgur.com/U2wdswu.jpg I have 11 ARs. I want a T2 just for the sake of having something different. Lastly, this is a new production of a gun by its original designer. Not a knockoff like a Iver Johnson M1 Carbine or a Todd Bailey MP5 clone. |
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Posted: 11/21/2018 6:01:39 AM EDT
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I cant understand how a cheaply made stamped steel firearm will sell for that kind of money.
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Posted: 11/21/2018 6:30:34 AM EDT
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It is a rifle of a different era, back in production, for the sake of those that want one. It is a period update to the AR-18 as Stoner originally intended the design to be. I have 11 ARs. I want a T2 just for the sake of having something different. Lastly, this is a new production of a gun by its original designer. Not a knockoff like a Iver Johnson M1 Carbine or a Todd Bailey MP5 clone. If I have the money I'll buy one of these just to piss off the $300 PSA NPCs |
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Posted: 11/21/2018 7:35:57 AM EDT
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MSRP $1250....when an AR can be put together for $500 I am sure the street price will be lower, and I wouldn't mind having one just as something different. I wish them luck, but realistically introducing a gun in today's AR market just does not seem like a good idea financially. There are plenty of flaws are available to point out in lower cost ARs, but not to the tune of hundreds of dollars. |
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Posted: 11/21/2018 7:52:31 AM EDT
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Booo people remaking vintage guns bringing more options to the market! Why not? I really want one of these!!!!! |
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Posted: 11/21/2018 8:03:26 AM EDT
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I cant understand how a cheaply made stamped steel firearm will sell for that kind of money. |
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Posted: 11/21/2018 8:10:12 AM EDT
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I saw that and thought "why?" |
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Posted: 11/21/2018 8:16:47 AM EDT
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This is excellent news. Mr. St. George has had this in the works for at least a couple of years. I ran into him at a local range where he was testing a prototype and let me handle and shoot it. Super nice guy who was shocked that I recognized him and knew about Leader Dynamics. I had an original back in the day and let it go, I want one for sure.
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Posted: 11/21/2018 8:18:52 AM EDT
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Gross.
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Posted: 11/21/2018 8:19:40 AM EDT
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Aimed straight at the collector market. Those first 250 will be all you ever see. Most will never leave the box but just be sold from collector to collector.
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Posted: 11/21/2018 8:22:09 AM EDT
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This is excellent news. Mr. St. George has had this in the works for at least a couple of years. I ran into him at a local range where he was testing a prototype and let me handle and shoot it. Super nice guy who was shocked that I recognized him and knew about Leader Dynamics. I had an original back in the day and let it go, I want one for sure. |
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Posted: 11/21/2018 8:30:44 AM EDT
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And they will have some Youtube reviewer saying how much better it is than an AR. I am sure the street price will be lower, and I wouldn't mind having one just as something different. I wish them luck, but realistically introducing a gun in today's AR market just does not seem like a good idea financially. There are plenty of flaws are available to point out in lower cost ARs, but not to the tune of hundreds of dollars. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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MSRP $1250....when an AR can be put together for $500 I am sure the street price will be lower, and I wouldn't mind having one just as something different. I wish them luck, but realistically introducing a gun in today's AR market just does not seem like a good idea financially. There are plenty of flaws are available to point out in lower cost ARs, but not to the tune of hundreds of dollars. 
My original 'Woo K2 puts its period competitors to shame. A Colt SP1 or a A2 rifle just don't have the features that the K2 does. The ROK really learned from when they made M16A1s and what would be better. As for the T2, it was to be the AR-18 in its best form as Stoner originally intended. Cheap and easy for period large scale manufacturer when human labor was cheap and machining was expensive. All the kinks of the AR-18 were worked out. But by then, the T2 was on the tail end of that era. The AUG was truly advanced. But the T2 is the West's answer to AKM. It was simply introduced ten years too late. But for all of its quirks and issues. They're cool rifles. They're of a bygone era and a different mindset. I want one just for that reason. Hell, my Ruger Mini-14 GB is still in a wooden stock. It is still a fun rifle to own. |
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Posted: 11/21/2018 8:33:18 AM EDT
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I saw that and thought "why?"
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Posted: 11/21/2018 8:38:14 AM EDT
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