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Originally Posted By FlashMan-7k: https://alexberenson.substack.com/p/vaccinated-english-adults-under-60 Vaccinated English adults under 60 are dying at twice the rate of unvaccinated people the same age And have been for six months. This chart may seem unbelievable or impossible, but it's correct, based on weekly data from the British government. Alex Berenson 15 hr ago https://cdn.substack.com/image/fetch/w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fbucketeer-e05bbc84-baa3-437e-9518-adb32be77984.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fbdca5329-b20b-4518-a733-fff84cc22124_1098x681.png The brown line represents weekly deaths from all causes of vaccinated people aged 10-59, per 100,000 people. The blue line represents weekly deaths from all causes of unvaccinated people per 100,000 in the same age range. I have checked the underlying dataset myself and this graph is correct. Vaccinated people under 60 are twice as likely to die as unvaccinated people. And overall deaths in Britain are running well above normal. I don't know how to explain this other than vaccine-caused mortality. The basic data is available here, download the Excel file and see table 4: https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/birthsdeathsandmarriages/deaths/datasets/deathsbyvaccinationstatusengland Original source data: https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/birthsdeathsandmarriages/deaths/datasets/deathsbyvaccinationstatusengland https://www.ons.gov.uk/file?uri=%2fpeoplepopulationandcommunity%2fbirthsdeathsandmarriages%2fdeaths%2fdatasets%2fdeathsbyvaccinationstatusengland%2fdeathsoccurringbetween2januaryand24september2021/datasetfinalcorrected3.xlsx https://www.ons.gov.uk/file?uri=%2fpeoplepopulationandcommunity%2fbirthsdeathsandmarriages%2fdeaths%2fdatasets%2fdeathsbyvaccinationstatusengland%2fdeathsoccurringbetween2januaryand2july2021/dataset.xlsx Isn't Britain using mostly astrazenica? That is a bit scary. |
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Originally Posted By akcaribouhunter: Did it break it down to what shots were given? Isn't Britain using mostly astrazenica? That is a bit scary. Originally Posted By akcaribouhunter: Originally Posted By FlashMan-7k: https://alexberenson.substack.com/p/vaccinated-english-adults-under-60 Vaccinated English adults under 60 are dying at twice the rate of unvaccinated people the same age And have been for six months. This chart may seem unbelievable or impossible, but it's correct, based on weekly data from the British government. Alex Berenson 15 hr ago https://cdn.substack.com/image/fetch/w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fbucketeer-e05bbc84-baa3-437e-9518-adb32be77984.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fbdca5329-b20b-4518-a733-fff84cc22124_1098x681.png The brown line represents weekly deaths from all causes of vaccinated people aged 10-59, per 100,000 people. The blue line represents weekly deaths from all causes of unvaccinated people per 100,000 in the same age range. I have checked the underlying dataset myself and this graph is correct. Vaccinated people under 60 are twice as likely to die as unvaccinated people. And overall deaths in Britain are running well above normal. I don't know how to explain this other than vaccine-caused mortality. The basic data is available here, download the Excel file and see table 4: https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/birthsdeathsandmarriages/deaths/datasets/deathsbyvaccinationstatusengland Original source data: https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/birthsdeathsandmarriages/deaths/datasets/deathsbyvaccinationstatusengland https://www.ons.gov.uk/file?uri=%2fpeoplepopulationandcommunity%2fbirthsdeathsandmarriages%2fdeaths%2fdatasets%2fdeathsbyvaccinationstatusengland%2fdeathsoccurringbetween2januaryand24september2021/datasetfinalcorrected3.xlsx https://www.ons.gov.uk/file?uri=%2fpeoplepopulationandcommunity%2fbirthsdeathsandmarriages%2fdeaths%2fdatasets%2fdeathsbyvaccinationstatusengland%2fdeathsoccurringbetween2januaryand2july2021/dataset.xlsx Isn't Britain using mostly astrazenica? That is a bit scary. It might be showing this trend because the data is lumping together teenagers (less likely to get vaccinated, less likely to die) with people in their fifties (more likely to be vaccinated, more likely to die than a teenager even if vaccinated). The CFR for a 59 year old is about 10x to 20x higher than for 20 to 30 year olds, all else being equal. To give an extreme example, let's say that everyone between 40-59 is vaccinated, and everyone between 10-39 is unvaccinated. I would expect the vaccinated group to have a higher death rate than the unvaccinated group. I would want to see a breakdown with smaller age ranges before making any conclusions. Edited to add: The UK is using Pfizer, AstraZeneca, Moderna and J&J. I couldn't easily find a breakdown of how much each one is being used. They are doing boosters mostly with Pfizer and Moderna though: U.K. Sidelines Homegrown Astra Vaccine in mRNA Booster Push |
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Originally Posted By FlashMan-7k: https://alexberenson.substack.com/p/vaccinated-english-adults-under-60 Vaccinated English adults under 60 are dying at twice the rate of unvaccinated people the same age And have been for six months. This chart may seem unbelievable or impossible, but it's correct, based on weekly data from the British government. Alex Berenson 15 hr ago https://cdn.substack.com/image/fetch/w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fbucketeer-e05bbc84-baa3-437e-9518-adb32be77984.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fbdca5329-b20b-4518-a733-fff84cc22124_1098x681.png The brown line represents weekly deaths from all causes of vaccinated people aged 10-59, per 100,000 people. The blue line represents weekly deaths from all causes of unvaccinated people per 100,000 in the same age range. I have checked the underlying dataset myself and this graph is correct. Vaccinated people under 60 are twice as likely to die as unvaccinated people. And overall deaths in Britain are running well above normal. I don’t know how to explain this other than vaccine-caused mortality. The basic data is available here, download the Excel file and see table 4: https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/birthsdeathsandmarriages/deaths/datasets/deathsbyvaccinationstatusengland Original source data: https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/birthsdeathsandmarriages/deaths/datasets/deathsbyvaccinationstatusengland https://www.ons.gov.uk/file?uri=%2fpeoplepopulationandcommunity%2fbirthsdeathsandmarriages%2fdeaths%2fdatasets%2fdeathsbyvaccinationstatusengland%2fdeathsoccurringbetween2januaryand24september2021/datasetfinalcorrected3.xlsx https://www.ons.gov.uk/file?uri=%2fpeoplepopulationandcommunity%2fbirthsdeathsandmarriages%2fdeaths%2fdatasets%2fdeathsbyvaccinationstatusengland%2fdeathsoccurringbetween2januaryand2july2021/dataset.xlsx So, is this an indicator that Delta bypassed the shots or is it an indicator that people believed the sales pitch on the shots and started acting more normal in terms of precautions and such? |
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Originally Posted By Obelix45: It might be showing this trend because the data is lumping together teenagers (less likely to get vaccinated, less likely to die) with people in their fifties (more likely to be vaccinated, more likely to die than a teenager even if vaccinated). The CFR for a 59 year old is about 10x to 20x higher than for 20 to 30 year olds, all else being equal. To give an extreme example, let's say that everyone between 40-59 is vaccinated, and everyone between 10-39 is unvaccinated. I would expect the vaccinated group to have a higher death rate than the unvaccinated group. I would want to see a breakdown with smaller age ranges before making any conclusions. Edited to add: The UK is using Pfizer, AstraZeneca, Moderna and J&J. I couldn't easily find a breakdown of how much each one is being used. They are doing boosters mostly with Pfizer and Moderna though: U.K. Sidelines Homegrown Astra Vaccine in mRNA Booster Push Originally Posted By Obelix45: Originally Posted By akcaribouhunter: Originally Posted By FlashMan-7k: https://alexberenson.substack.com/p/vaccinated-english-adults-under-60 Vaccinated English adults under 60 are dying at twice the rate of unvaccinated people the same age And have been for six months. This chart may seem unbelievable or impossible, but it's correct, based on weekly data from the British government. Alex Berenson 15 hr ago https://cdn.substack.com/image/fetch/w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fbucketeer-e05bbc84-baa3-437e-9518-adb32be77984.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fbdca5329-b20b-4518-a733-fff84cc22124_1098x681.png The brown line represents weekly deaths from all causes of vaccinated people aged 10-59, per 100,000 people. The blue line represents weekly deaths from all causes of unvaccinated people per 100,000 in the same age range. I have checked the underlying dataset myself and this graph is correct. Vaccinated people under 60 are twice as likely to die as unvaccinated people. And overall deaths in Britain are running well above normal. I don't know how to explain this other than vaccine-caused mortality. The basic data is available here, download the Excel file and see table 4: https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/birthsdeathsandmarriages/deaths/datasets/deathsbyvaccinationstatusengland Original source data: https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/birthsdeathsandmarriages/deaths/datasets/deathsbyvaccinationstatusengland https://www.ons.gov.uk/file?uri=%2fpeoplepopulationandcommunity%2fbirthsdeathsandmarriages%2fdeaths%2fdatasets%2fdeathsbyvaccinationstatusengland%2fdeathsoccurringbetween2januaryand24september2021/datasetfinalcorrected3.xlsx https://www.ons.gov.uk/file?uri=%2fpeoplepopulationandcommunity%2fbirthsdeathsandmarriages%2fdeaths%2fdatasets%2fdeathsbyvaccinationstatusengland%2fdeathsoccurringbetween2januaryand2july2021/dataset.xlsx Isn't Britain using mostly astrazenica? That is a bit scary. It might be showing this trend because the data is lumping together teenagers (less likely to get vaccinated, less likely to die) with people in their fifties (more likely to be vaccinated, more likely to die than a teenager even if vaccinated). The CFR for a 59 year old is about 10x to 20x higher than for 20 to 30 year olds, all else being equal. To give an extreme example, let's say that everyone between 40-59 is vaccinated, and everyone between 10-39 is unvaccinated. I would expect the vaccinated group to have a higher death rate than the unvaccinated group. I would want to see a breakdown with smaller age ranges before making any conclusions. Edited to add: The UK is using Pfizer, AstraZeneca, Moderna and J&J. I couldn't easily find a breakdown of how much each one is being used. They are doing boosters mostly with Pfizer and Moderna though: U.K. Sidelines Homegrown Astra Vaccine in mRNA Booster Push @Obelix45 This safety update report is based on detailed analysis of data up to 10 November 2021. As of 10 November 2021, an estimated 24.2 million first doses of the COVID-19 Pfizer/BioNTech Vaccine and 24.8 million first doses of the COVID-19 Vaccine AstraZeneca had been administered, and around 20.6 million and 24.1 million second doses of COVID-19 Pfizer/BioNTech Vaccine and COVID-19 Vaccine AstraZeneca respectively. An approximate 1.5 million first doses and approximately 1.3 million second doses of the COVID-19 Vaccine Moderna have also now been administered. https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/coronavirus-covid-19-vaccine-adverse-reactions/coronavirus-vaccine-summary-of-yellow-card-reporting |
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Originally Posted By planemaker: So, is this an indicator that Delta bypassed the shots or is it an indicator that people believed the sales pitch on the shots and started acting more normal in terms of precautions and such? Originally Posted By planemaker: Originally Posted By FlashMan-7k: https://alexberenson.substack.com/p/vaccinated-english-adults-under-60 Vaccinated English adults under 60 are dying at twice the rate of unvaccinated people the same age And have been for six months. This chart may seem unbelievable or impossible, but it's correct, based on weekly data from the British government. Alex Berenson 15 hr ago https://cdn.substack.com/image/fetch/w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fbucketeer-e05bbc84-baa3-437e-9518-adb32be77984.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fbdca5329-b20b-4518-a733-fff84cc22124_1098x681.png The brown line represents weekly deaths from all causes of vaccinated people aged 10-59, per 100,000 people. The blue line represents weekly deaths from all causes of unvaccinated people per 100,000 in the same age range. I have checked the underlying dataset myself and this graph is correct. Vaccinated people under 60 are twice as likely to die as unvaccinated people. And overall deaths in Britain are running well above normal. I don’t know how to explain this other than vaccine-caused mortality. The basic data is available here, download the Excel file and see table 4: https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/birthsdeathsandmarriages/deaths/datasets/deathsbyvaccinationstatusengland Original source data: https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/birthsdeathsandmarriages/deaths/datasets/deathsbyvaccinationstatusengland https://www.ons.gov.uk/file?uri=%2fpeoplepopulationandcommunity%2fbirthsdeathsandmarriages%2fdeaths%2fdatasets%2fdeathsbyvaccinationstatusengland%2fdeathsoccurringbetween2januaryand24september2021/datasetfinalcorrected3.xlsx https://www.ons.gov.uk/file?uri=%2fpeoplepopulationandcommunity%2fbirthsdeathsandmarriages%2fdeaths%2fdatasets%2fdeathsbyvaccinationstatusengland%2fdeathsoccurringbetween2januaryand2july2021/dataset.xlsx So, is this an indicator that Delta bypassed the shots or is it an indicator that people believed the sales pitch on the shots and started acting more normal in terms of precautions and such? I thinks it's more likely an indicator that younger, healthier people are more likely to be in the "unvaccinated" cohort, while older or sicker people are more likely to be in the "vaccinated" cohort. The vaccine could be a sterile solution with no affect on the body whatsoever, and you'd still have a higher mortality rate amongst the "vaccinated." As usual, they compile statistics to support a position they agree with, and ignore or suppress the rest of the data. Are vaccines contributing to deaths? I certainly wouldn't bet on "no" at this point, but every data set is so corrupted I don't know how we'll ever know for sure. |
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Originally Posted By BGENE: @Obelix45 This safety update report is based on detailed analysis of data up to 10 November 2021. As of 10 November 2021, an estimated 24.2 million first doses of the COVID-19 Pfizer/BioNTech Vaccine and 24.8 million first doses of the COVID-19 Vaccine AstraZeneca had been administered, and around 20.6 million and 24.1 million second doses of COVID-19 Pfizer/BioNTech Vaccine and COVID-19 Vaccine AstraZeneca respectively. An approximate 1.5 million first doses and approximately 1.3 million second doses of the COVID-19 Vaccine Moderna have also now been administered. https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/coronavirus-covid-19-vaccine-adverse-reactions/coronavirus-vaccine-summary-of-yellow-card-reporting Originally Posted By BGENE: Originally Posted By Obelix45: Originally Posted By akcaribouhunter: Originally Posted By FlashMan-7k: https://alexberenson.substack.com/p/vaccinated-english-adults-under-60 Vaccinated English adults under 60 are dying at twice the rate of unvaccinated people the same age And have been for six months. This chart may seem unbelievable or impossible, but it's correct, based on weekly data from the British government. Alex Berenson 15 hr ago https://cdn.substack.com/image/fetch/w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fbucketeer-e05bbc84-baa3-437e-9518-adb32be77984.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fbdca5329-b20b-4518-a733-fff84cc22124_1098x681.png The brown line represents weekly deaths from all causes of vaccinated people aged 10-59, per 100,000 people. The blue line represents weekly deaths from all causes of unvaccinated people per 100,000 in the same age range. I have checked the underlying dataset myself and this graph is correct. Vaccinated people under 60 are twice as likely to die as unvaccinated people. And overall deaths in Britain are running well above normal. I don't know how to explain this other than vaccine-caused mortality. The basic data is available here, download the Excel file and see table 4: https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/birthsdeathsandmarriages/deaths/datasets/deathsbyvaccinationstatusengland Original source data: https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/birthsdeathsandmarriages/deaths/datasets/deathsbyvaccinationstatusengland https://www.ons.gov.uk/file?uri=%2fpeoplepopulationandcommunity%2fbirthsdeathsandmarriages%2fdeaths%2fdatasets%2fdeathsbyvaccinationstatusengland%2fdeathsoccurringbetween2januaryand24september2021/datasetfinalcorrected3.xlsx https://www.ons.gov.uk/file?uri=%2fpeoplepopulationandcommunity%2fbirthsdeathsandmarriages%2fdeaths%2fdatasets%2fdeathsbyvaccinationstatusengland%2fdeathsoccurringbetween2januaryand2july2021/dataset.xlsx Isn't Britain using mostly astrazenica? That is a bit scary. It might be showing this trend because the data is lumping together teenagers (less likely to get vaccinated, less likely to die) with people in their fifties (more likely to be vaccinated, more likely to die than a teenager even if vaccinated). The CFR for a 59 year old is about 10x to 20x higher than for 20 to 30 year olds, all else being equal. To give an extreme example, let's say that everyone between 40-59 is vaccinated, and everyone between 10-39 is unvaccinated. I would expect the vaccinated group to have a higher death rate than the unvaccinated group. I would want to see a breakdown with smaller age ranges before making any conclusions. Edited to add: The UK is using Pfizer, AstraZeneca, Moderna and J&J. I couldn't easily find a breakdown of how much each one is being used. They are doing boosters mostly with Pfizer and Moderna though: U.K. Sidelines Homegrown Astra Vaccine in mRNA Booster Push @Obelix45 This safety update report is based on detailed analysis of data up to 10 November 2021. As of 10 November 2021, an estimated 24.2 million first doses of the COVID-19 Pfizer/BioNTech Vaccine and 24.8 million first doses of the COVID-19 Vaccine AstraZeneca had been administered, and around 20.6 million and 24.1 million second doses of COVID-19 Pfizer/BioNTech Vaccine and COVID-19 Vaccine AstraZeneca respectively. An approximate 1.5 million first doses and approximately 1.3 million second doses of the COVID-19 Vaccine Moderna have also now been administered. https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/coronavirus-covid-19-vaccine-adverse-reactions/coronavirus-vaccine-summary-of-yellow-card-reporting Thanks. That is more Pfizer than I would have guessed. |
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Originally Posted By Mach: dont forget the UK used AZ and pfizer but instead of using 3 weeks between shots the Uk used 12 weeks between shots. No testing was done so nobody has any idea how much immunity 12 weeks between shots gave This is all correlation, so take it with a bucket of salt. Working off memory: John campbell was talking during the inital delta infection and showed data that the infection rates that used our timing between were getting more / faster infection with delta and he chalked it up to their timing between shots. Also (you can find this in the last 2-5 pages or so in some of my posts) broken down by data the vaccinated (yes, broken into age brackets) younger groups but especially middle aged people in england/uk had *higher* infection rates with delta having completely and utterly taken the field. The elderly tapered off in infection. It almost feels irresponsible to point this out, but than ... it's what I've observed. It's something to keep an eye on. |
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Originally Posted By exponentialpi: Natural immunity.  https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/200878/BC3B72A5-A2F0-4ED3-AD80-EE3FC60B26CE_jpe-2178048.JPG Coerced compliance and societal destruction. It's almost like some group has this idea that people won't give up their way of life until life is made extremely painful and current society is destroyed. Who could it be ... hmm. *bets katanasword knows who the reference is to* |
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Originally Posted By exponentialpi: Natural immunity. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/200878/BC3B72A5-A2F0-4ED3-AD80-EE3FC60B26CE_jpe-2178048.JPG A medical doctor and the head person in his area of expertise? That is nuts! Nothing like that would happen when I was a kid and young man. Now I am wondering if this virus is worse than we have been led to believe, and thus they see an urgent need for everyone to be vaccinated. |
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Originally Posted By peacematu: A medical doctor and the head person in his area of expertise? That is nuts! Nothing like that would happen when I was a kid and young man. Now I am wondering if this virus is worse than we have been led to believe, and thus they see an urgent need for everyone to be vaccinated. Originally Posted By peacematu: Originally Posted By exponentialpi: Natural immunity. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/200878/BC3B72A5-A2F0-4ED3-AD80-EE3FC60B26CE_jpe-2178048.JPG A medical doctor and the head person in his area of expertise? That is nuts! Nothing like that would happen when I was a kid and young man. Now I am wondering if this virus is worse than we have been led to believe, and thus they see an urgent need for everyone to be vaccinated. That doesn't fly, actually ... If that were true, the same people who are saying you can't do your job without the vaccination would have all had strokes in 2020 from the riots. Stop and see if the legos fit ... they don't. Yeah, people don't have to be consistent, but still, it says something that the people in 'public health' say one thing and consistently do another, over and over and over. Something's bent out of whack or not being told to us by people who know. |
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Originally Posted By FlashMan-7k: That doesn't fly, actually ... If that were true, the same people who are saying you can't do your job without the vaccination would have all had strokes in 2020 from the riots. Stop and see if the legos fit ... they don't. Yeah, people don't have to be consistent, but still, it says something that the people in 'public health' say one thing and consistently do another, over and over and over. Something's bent out of whack or not being told to us by people who know. Originally Posted By FlashMan-7k: Originally Posted By peacematu: Originally Posted By exponentialpi: Natural immunity. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/200878/BC3B72A5-A2F0-4ED3-AD80-EE3FC60B26CE_jpe-2178048.JPG A medical doctor and the head person in his area of expertise? That is nuts! Nothing like that would happen when I was a kid and young man. Now I am wondering if this virus is worse than we have been led to believe, and thus they see an urgent need for everyone to be vaccinated. That doesn't fly, actually ... If that were true, the same people who are saying you can't do your job without the vaccination would have all had strokes in 2020 from the riots. Stop and see if the legos fit ... they don't. Yeah, people don't have to be consistent, but still, it says something that the people in 'public health' say one thing and consistently do another, over and over and over. Something's bent out of whack or not being told to us by people who know. It’s more like they need to remove the control population….. |
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@liberals-R-retarded How are you and the wife now? All recovered hopefully? Neither I nor my wife have caught the WuFlu, despite her being exposed many, many times at work (nuclear medicine). She got vaxxed as soon as it became available to medical staff in AZ. She got the booster last month, all Pfizer. I refused to take the jab until this June, when yet another strain was blowing in, and she was worried about how contagious it was said to be. I went with Moderna, and the second dose nearly did me in. Had a 104 degree fever, and was shivering so violently, my spine and shoulders would curl forward in lurches, forcefully expelling my breath and preventing me from inhaling for 15-20 seconds at a time. That went on all night and into the next day. I will not get a booster, no matter the future consequences or threats, and will physically oppose any vaccination attempts with force. Luckily for me, AZ is a no-mandate state. My wife wears a mask at work and out shopping. I do not. I do take quercitin, C, D, and zinc. As a few have noted, the way the Szechuan Sickness affects some but not others is most definitely odd. No rhyme or reason as to who gets it, even accounting for race, age and pre-existing conditions. I am still convinced it is bioengineered warfare and China needs to pay (along with Fauci). |
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Originally Posted By ErikInAZ: @liberals-R-retarded How are you and the wife now? All recovered hopefully? Neither I nor my wife have caught the WuFlu, despite her being exposed many, many times at work (nuclear medicine). She got vaxxed as soon as it became available to medical staff in AZ. She got the booster last month, all Pfizer. I refused to take the jab until this June, when yet another strain was blowing in, and she was worried about how contagious it was said to be. I went with Moderna, and the second dose nearly did me in. Had a 104 degree fever, and was shivering so violently, my spine and shoulders would curl forward in lurches, forcefully expelling my breath and preventing me from inhaling for 15-20 seconds at a time. That went on all night and into the next day. I will not get a booster, no matter the future consequences or threats, and will physically oppose any vaccination attempts with force. Luckily for me, AZ is a no-mandate state. My wife wears a mask at work and out shopping. I do not. I do take quercitin, C, D, and zinc. As a few have noted, the way the Szechuan Sickness affects some but not others is most definitely odd. No rhyme or reason as to who gets it, even accounting for race, age and pre-existing conditions. I am still convinced it is bioengineered warfare and China needs to pay (along with Fauci). I know multiple people that had a similar reaction within a day or two after their shot. They were all told they must have coincidentally caught Covid at the same time, before the vaccines could do their work to protect them, and that it COULDN'T be the vaccine, because the vaccines are safe. Same coincidence sure happened to a lot of people. Weird. |
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Originally Posted By exponentialpi: Natural immunity. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/200878/BC3B72A5-A2F0-4ED3-AD80-EE3FC60B26CE_jpe-2178048.JPG I'm wondering if I know who this is. Time to make some calls... |
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Originally Posted By exponentialpi: It's more like they need to remove the control population.. Originally Posted By exponentialpi: Originally Posted By FlashMan-7k: Originally Posted By peacematu: Originally Posted By exponentialpi: Natural immunity. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/200878/BC3B72A5-A2F0-4ED3-AD80-EE3FC60B26CE_jpe-2178048.JPG A medical doctor and the head person in his area of expertise? That is nuts! Nothing like that would happen when I was a kid and young man. Now I am wondering if this virus is worse than we have been led to believe, and thus they see an urgent need for everyone to be vaccinated. That doesn't fly, actually ... If that were true, the same people who are saying you can't do your job without the vaccination would have all had strokes in 2020 from the riots. Stop and see if the legos fit ... they don't. Yeah, people don't have to be consistent, but still, it says something that the people in 'public health' say one thing and consistently do another, over and over and over. Something's bent out of whack or not being told to us by people who know. It's more like they need to remove the control population.. Could not agree more. |
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Originally Posted By ErikInAZ: @liberals-R-retarded How are you and the wife now? All recovered hopefully? Neither I nor my wife have caught the WuFlu, despite her being exposed many, many times at work (nuclear medicine). She got vaxxed as soon as it became available to medical staff in AZ. She got the booster last month, all Pfizer. I refused to take the jab until this June, when yet another strain was blowing in, and she was worried about how contagious it was said to be. I went with Moderna, and the second dose nearly did me in. Had a 104 degree fever, and was shivering so violently, my spine and shoulders would curl forward in lurches, forcefully expelling my breath and preventing me from inhaling for 15-20 seconds at a time. That went on all night and into the next day. I will not get a booster, no matter the future consequences or threats, and will physically oppose any vaccination attempts with force. Luckily for me, AZ is a no-mandate state. My wife wears a mask at work and out shopping. I do not. I do take quercitin, C, D, and zinc. As a few have noted, the way the Szechuan Sickness affects some but not others is most definitely odd. No rhyme or reason as to who gets it, even accounting for race, age and pre-existing conditions. I am still convinced it is bioengineered warfare and China needs to pay (along with Fauci). Thank you. She's finally better as of Monday maybe. Still feeling wiped and has no sense of taste or smell so she's really not happy about Thanksgiving dinner (it's her favorite). She was double vaxxed back in March and takes no supplements except for a multivitamin. I was double vaxxed at the same time and take Zinc and VitD occasionally. The night she tested positive I took 24mg of Ivermectin and then again 24hours later and then again 48 hours after that. I'm at the point where there are so many contradictions and weirdness about Covid that I'm not even paying attention anymore. Why I didn't get this incredible contagious virus after being in the same small house with her for two weeks just blows my mind. She stayed mainly on the 2nd floor and I stayed on the 1st. I cooked for her and when I brought food to her we both wore masks. My takeaway based on my experience the past 2 weeks: Masks 100% work, possibly. The vax offers 100% protection except when it doesn't. Ivermectin kept the virus from replicating in my body unless it didn't do anything. I super appreciate my sense of smell and taste because it sounds like losing it really sucks. I'm also Type O and she's A. Last year there was some talk about Type A and B getting Covid more easily. Did that ever get proven true? Like everything else about Covid, I'm finding articles online from reputable sites saying both yes and no. |
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Originally Posted By exponentialpi: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/200878/708793EB-2145-43CB-BFA6-BE42C918B39D_jpe-2179359.JPG What a pile of shit. Natural immunity isn't overrated, it isn't even acknowledged. These people are fucking evil. |
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Originally Posted By exponentialpi: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/200878/708793EB-2145-43CB-BFA6-BE42C918B39D_jpe-2179359.JPG yet the vaccines are already admitted to only provide ... what, 13% more protection against infection? AND taper off in even that in six months or LESS? |
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Originally Posted By liberals-R-retarded: Thank you. She's finally better as of Monday maybe. Still feeling wiped and has no sense of taste or smell so she's really not happy about Thanksgiving dinner (it's her favorite). She was double vaxxed back in March and takes no supplements except for a multivitamin. I was double vaxxed at the same time and take Zinc and VitD occasionally. The night she tested positive I took 24mg of Ivermectin and then again 24hours later and then again 48 hours after that. I'm at the point where there are so many contradictions and weirdness about Covid that I'm not even paying attention anymore. Why I didn't get this incredible contagious virus after being in the same small house with her for two weeks just blows my mind. She stayed mainly on the 2nd floor and I stayed on the 1st. I cooked for her and when I brought food to her we both wore masks. My takeaway based on my experience the past 2 weeks: Masks 100% work, possibly. The vax offers 100% protection except when it doesn't. Ivermectin kept the virus from replicating in my body unless it didn't do anything. I super appreciate my sense of smell and taste because it sounds like losing it really sucks. I'm also Type O and she's A. Last year there was some talk about Type A and B getting Covid more easily. Did that ever get proven true? Like everything else about Covid, I'm finding articles online from reputable sites saying both yes and no. That's good news! Glad to hear. Yeah, there is a study and an expert who will say and support every version and side. The only things that are certain are that the governments around the world are using Covid to usurp more power over the people, the media and education (more like miseducation) systems are helping, and anyone who even questions the vax or "science" is automatically labeled a white supremacist bigot science denying republican maga cretin. And that we are being lied to, repeatedly. At this point, since this biowarfare virus is gonna keep changing & be with us forever, the best we can probably hope for is that we are either naturally immune or get a mild case that gives us immunity but doesn't end up causing covid toes, massive lung damage, heart scaring, nerve issues, or any of a dozen other medical nightmares. Fuck China, resist authoritarianism, and FJB. |
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@exponentialpi @Obelix45 ... and KatanaSword, if you're lurking. https://roundingtheearth.substack.com/p/the-vaccine-wars Some VERY interesting stuff in there. It's just far enough past my fingertips that I can't quite latch into it. List of articles linked on the page: COVID-19 "Vaccine" Analysis
Risk-Benefit Analysis What Risk-Benefit Analysis? Delta Variant and Vaccine Risk-Benefit Analysis Risks What are the Risks of the COVID-19 Vaccines? (Part 1 / Part 2) Variant Roulette (Evolution and Immune Escape) Part 1 Variant Roulette (Evolution and Immune Escape) Part 2 Variant Roulette (Evolution and Immune Escape) Part 3 One of These Things is Not Like the Others: A Precautionary Tale Assessing COVID-19 Vaccine Harms Probable Misclassification of Vaccine Deaths as COVID-19 Deaths Inventor of the mRNA vaccine platform: "I waited...my wife and I both took the [Moderna mRNA] vaccine…" and now he thinks the vaccines are "broken" Silent Type II COVID-19? Estimating Vaccine-Induced Mortality, Part 1 Estimating Vaccine-Induced Mortality, Part 2 Estimating Vaccine-Induced Mortality, Part 3: Q&A and the Million Dollar Bounty Arguments Against Vaccine-Induced Mortality: Wrong Answers Only Estimating Vaccine-Induced Mortality, Part 5(ish): Polling Consistent With Massive Death Tolls Estimating Vaccine-Induced Mortality, Part 6: Hawaii in Isolation Confirmation of Vaccine-Associated Mortality Mechanistic Evidence of Vaccine-Induced Mortality Testimonials by Doctors Who Lost Vaccinated Patients Efficacy Gaming Measurement of Vaccine Efficacy Are UK's Vaccinated Dying More from the Delta Variant? Are UK's Vaccinated Dying More from the Delta Variant? Part 2 Unadjusted Person-Day Risk Vaccine Efficacy and a Conversation with Dr. Brian Tyson The Vaccines are Ineffective: A Play in Three Acts Natural Immunity and Martin Kulldorff's Study Autopsy A Breakthrough in Modeling: Informative Censoring Modeling Bounty for Sensitivity Analysis on Randomized Results Systemic Vaccine Efficacy Basics Systemic Vaccine Efficacy, Part 2 Systemic Vaccine Efficacy, Part 3 The Efficacy Illusions (How the Magic Tricks Work) The Naming Illusion Engineering Interpretations of Data Rigging Safety Signals Defining Away Vaccine Safety Signals Defining Away Vaccine Safety Signals Part 2 Defining Away Vaccine Safety Signals Part 3 How Underreported Are Post-Vaccination Serious Injuries and Deaths in VAERS? COVID Study 1: A Website Gathering Information on COVID-19 Vaccine Results Proof of VAERS Underreporting and Hidden Vaccine-Associated Hospitalizations Interviews, Experts, and Narrative Resistance The San Juan Declaration and a New Media Physicians Declarations in Rome and San Juan Inventor of the mRNA vaccine platform: "I waited...my wife and I both took the [Moderna mRNA] vaccine…" and now he thinks the vaccines are "broken" Vaccine Efficacy and a Conversation with Dr. Brian Tyson Dr. Peter McCullough's Common Sense Breakdown of the Pandemic The Vaccines are Ineffective: A Play in Three Acts COVID-19 "Vaccine" Propaganda Censorship The Censorship of Jessica Rose, PhD and Dr. Peter McCullough Microsoft's Edge Browser Censors Vaccine Research How the Vaccine Investors May Have Signaled to Me That COVID-19 Vaccines Poison Children Gaslighting The Art of Gaslighting: Confession Through Projection Policy and Law OSHA Vaccine Mandate Struck Down Steve Kirsch's Callout of John Su and the Inevitable Clown Attacks Yellow Wrist Bands for Medical Freedom Aaron Rodgers Interview and How Athletes are Standing Up Yellow Wrist/Arm Band Sunday for Aaron Rodgers and Medical Freedom! Chloroquine Wars Vignettes: COVID Summits, Yellow Wrist Bands, and Other Stories |
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Originally Posted By FlashMan-7k: @exponentialpi @Obelix45 ... and KatanaSword, if you're lurking. https://roundingtheearth.substack.com/p/the-vaccine-wars Some VERY interesting stuff in there. It's just far enough past my fingertips that I can't quite latch into it. List of articles linked on the page: COVID-19 "Vaccine" Analysis Risk-Benefit Analysis What Risk-Benefit Analysis? Delta Variant and Vaccine Risk-Benefit Analysis Risks What are the Risks of the COVID-19 Vaccines? (Part 1 / Part 2) Variant Roulette (Evolution and Immune Escape) Part 1 Variant Roulette (Evolution and Immune Escape) Part 2 Variant Roulette (Evolution and Immune Escape) Part 3 One of These Things is Not Like the Others: A Precautionary Tale Assessing COVID-19 Vaccine Harms Probable Misclassification of Vaccine Deaths as COVID-19 Deaths Inventor of the mRNA vaccine platform: "I waited...my wife and I both took the [Moderna mRNA] vaccine…" and now he thinks the vaccines are "broken" Silent Type II COVID-19? Estimating Vaccine-Induced Mortality, Part 1 Estimating Vaccine-Induced Mortality, Part 2 Estimating Vaccine-Induced Mortality, Part 3: Q&A and the Million Dollar Bounty Arguments Against Vaccine-Induced Mortality: Wrong Answers Only Estimating Vaccine-Induced Mortality, Part 5(ish): Polling Consistent With Massive Death Tolls Estimating Vaccine-Induced Mortality, Part 6: Hawaii in Isolation Confirmation of Vaccine-Associated Mortality Mechanistic Evidence of Vaccine-Induced Mortality Testimonials by Doctors Who Lost Vaccinated Patients Efficacy Gaming Measurement of Vaccine Efficacy Are UK's Vaccinated Dying More from the Delta Variant? Are UK's Vaccinated Dying More from the Delta Variant? Part 2 Unadjusted Person-Day Risk Vaccine Efficacy and a Conversation with Dr. Brian Tyson The Vaccines are Ineffective: A Play in Three Acts Natural Immunity and Martin Kulldorff's Study Autopsy A Breakthrough in Modeling: Informative Censoring Modeling Bounty for Sensitivity Analysis on Randomized Results Systemic Vaccine Efficacy Basics Systemic Vaccine Efficacy, Part 2 Systemic Vaccine Efficacy, Part 3 The Efficacy Illusions (How the Magic Tricks Work) The Naming Illusion Engineering Interpretations of Data Rigging Safety Signals Defining Away Vaccine Safety Signals Defining Away Vaccine Safety Signals Part 2 Defining Away Vaccine Safety Signals Part 3 How Underreported Are Post-Vaccination Serious Injuries and Deaths in VAERS? COVID Study 1: A Website Gathering Information on COVID-19 Vaccine Results Proof of VAERS Underreporting and Hidden Vaccine-Associated Hospitalizations Interviews, Experts, and Narrative Resistance The San Juan Declaration and a New Media Physicians Declarations in Rome and San Juan Inventor of the mRNA vaccine platform: "I waited...my wife and I both took the [Moderna mRNA] vaccine…" and now he thinks the vaccines are "broken" Vaccine Efficacy and a Conversation with Dr. Brian Tyson Dr. Peter McCullough's Common Sense Breakdown of the Pandemic The Vaccines are Ineffective: A Play in Three Acts COVID-19 "Vaccine" Propaganda Censorship The Censorship of Jessica Rose, PhD and Dr. Peter McCullough Microsoft's Edge Browser Censors Vaccine Research How the Vaccine Investors May Have Signaled to Me That COVID-19 Vaccines Poison Children Gaslighting The Art of Gaslighting: Confession Through Projection Policy and Law OSHA Vaccine Mandate Struck Down Steve Kirsch's Callout of John Su and the Inevitable Clown Attacks Yellow Wrist Bands for Medical Freedom Aaron Rodgers Interview and How Athletes are Standing Up Yellow Wrist/Arm Band Sunday for Aaron Rodgers and Medical Freedom! Chloroquine Wars Vignettes: COVID Summits, Yellow Wrist Bands, and Other Stories That blog is very interesting. My first thought is how does he find the time to write so much. It will take a while to get through it. Second thought: Some sharp people are replying in the comments. One of them made this FOI request: England deaths with exact COVID-19 injection dates. That request is getting at the idea that they aren't using the correct denominator when calculating death rates for vaccinated and unvaccinated populations. That would really screw up the effectiveness calculation, it could turn it on its head. Especially at times when deaths are high and many new people are getting vaccinated, as happened last winter and early spring. The population denominator should be taken at the week of infection, not death. Since the vaccinated population is always increasing, the death rate among the vaccinated is artificially low if the vaccinated population at the time of death is used instead if at the time of infection (i.e., 2 to 4 weeks earlier). And vice versa for unvaccinated death rate. It would be artificially high because the unvaccinated population shrinks with time. |
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Originally Posted By FlashMan-7k: @exponentialpi @Obelix45 ... and KatanaSword, if you're lurking. https://roundingtheearth.substack.com/p/the-vaccine-wars Some VERY interesting stuff in there. It's just far enough past my fingertips that I can't quite latch into it. List of articles linked on the page: COVID-19 "Vaccine" Analysis Risk-Benefit Analysis What Risk-Benefit Analysis? Delta Variant and Vaccine Risk-Benefit Analysis Risks What are the Risks of the COVID-19 Vaccines? (Part 1 / Part 2) Variant Roulette (Evolution and Immune Escape) Part 1 Variant Roulette (Evolution and Immune Escape) Part 2 Variant Roulette (Evolution and Immune Escape) Part 3 One of These Things is Not Like the Others: A Precautionary Tale Assessing COVID-19 Vaccine Harms Probable Misclassification of Vaccine Deaths as COVID-19 Deaths Inventor of the mRNA vaccine platform: "I waited...my wife and I both took the [Moderna mRNA] vaccine…" and now he thinks the vaccines are "broken" Silent Type II COVID-19? Estimating Vaccine-Induced Mortality, Part 1 Estimating Vaccine-Induced Mortality, Part 2 Estimating Vaccine-Induced Mortality, Part 3: Q&A and the Million Dollar Bounty Arguments Against Vaccine-Induced Mortality: Wrong Answers Only Estimating Vaccine-Induced Mortality, Part 5(ish): Polling Consistent With Massive Death Tolls Estimating Vaccine-Induced Mortality, Part 6: Hawaii in Isolation Confirmation of Vaccine-Associated Mortality Mechanistic Evidence of Vaccine-Induced Mortality Testimonials by Doctors Who Lost Vaccinated Patients Efficacy Gaming Measurement of Vaccine Efficacy Are UK's Vaccinated Dying More from the Delta Variant? Are UK's Vaccinated Dying More from the Delta Variant? Part 2 Unadjusted Person-Day Risk Vaccine Efficacy and a Conversation with Dr. Brian Tyson The Vaccines are Ineffective: A Play in Three Acts Natural Immunity and Martin Kulldorff's Study Autopsy A Breakthrough in Modeling: Informative Censoring Modeling Bounty for Sensitivity Analysis on Randomized Results Systemic Vaccine Efficacy Basics Systemic Vaccine Efficacy, Part 2 Systemic Vaccine Efficacy, Part 3 The Efficacy Illusions (How the Magic Tricks Work) The Naming Illusion Engineering Interpretations of Data Rigging Safety Signals Defining Away Vaccine Safety Signals Defining Away Vaccine Safety Signals Part 2 Defining Away Vaccine Safety Signals Part 3 How Underreported Are Post-Vaccination Serious Injuries and Deaths in VAERS? COVID Study 1: A Website Gathering Information on COVID-19 Vaccine Results Proof of VAERS Underreporting and Hidden Vaccine-Associated Hospitalizations Interviews, Experts, and Narrative Resistance The San Juan Declaration and a New Media Physicians Declarations in Rome and San Juan Inventor of the mRNA vaccine platform: "I waited...my wife and I both took the [Moderna mRNA] vaccine…" and now he thinks the vaccines are "broken" Vaccine Efficacy and a Conversation with Dr. Brian Tyson Dr. Peter McCullough's Common Sense Breakdown of the Pandemic The Vaccines are Ineffective: A Play in Three Acts COVID-19 "Vaccine" Propaganda Censorship The Censorship of Jessica Rose, PhD and Dr. Peter McCullough Microsoft's Edge Browser Censors Vaccine Research How the Vaccine Investors May Have Signaled to Me That COVID-19 Vaccines Poison Children Gaslighting The Art of Gaslighting: Confession Through Projection Policy and Law OSHA Vaccine Mandate Struck Down Steve Kirsch's Callout of John Su and the Inevitable Clown Attacks Yellow Wrist Bands for Medical Freedom Aaron Rodgers Interview and How Athletes are Standing Up Yellow Wrist/Arm Band Sunday for Aaron Rodgers and Medical Freedom! Chloroquine Wars Vignettes: COVID Summits, Yellow Wrist Bands, and Other Stories I stopped reading when he claimed that US effectiveness of vaccines must be the same as the Uk because both used the same vaccines but the effectiveness is wildly different so something is wrong with US reporting except that the US and UK did NOT use the same vaccines nor the same vaccine schedule. US used Pfizer, Moderna, and J&J. UK used AZ and Pfizer except not at the 3 weeks between shots instead they used 12 weeks between shots. Yet he doesnt mention this He is either very uninformed or is intentionally lying. If he has done so little research to not know the vaccines used or the schedules used everything he says is suspect. What else does he draw conclusions on that he is ignorant of the facts. I stopped reading right there. |
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Originally Posted By ErikInAZ:...As a few have noted, the way the Szechuan Sickness affects some but not others is most definitely odd. No rhyme or reason as to who gets it, even accounting for race, age and pre-existing conditions. I am still convinced it is bioengineered warfare and China needs to pay (along with Fauci). I doubt China or Fauci will pay for any misdeeds. |
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Originally Posted By wgjhsafT: I'm wondering if I know who this is. Time to make some calls... Originally Posted By wgjhsafT: Originally Posted By exponentialpi: Natural immunity. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/200878/BC3B72A5-A2F0-4ED3-AD80-EE3FC60B26CE_jpe-2178048.JPG I'm wondering if I know who this is. Time to make some calls... I guess you were in the medical field. |
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Originally Posted By Mach: I stopped reading when he claimed that US effectiveness of vaccines must be the same as the Uk because both used the same vaccines but the effectiveness is wildly different so something is wrong with US reporting except that the US and UK did NOT use the same vaccines nor the same vaccine schedule. US used Pfizer, Moderna, and J&J. UK used AZ and Pfizer except not at the 3 weeks between shots instead they used 12 weeks between shots. Yet he doesnt mention this He is either very uninformed or is intentionally lying. If he has done so little research to not know the vaccines used or the schedules used everything he says is suspect. What else does he draw conclusions on that he is ignorant of the facts. I stopped reading right there. Originally Posted By Mach: Originally Posted By FlashMan-7k: @exponentialpi @Obelix45 ... and KatanaSword, if you're lurking. https://roundingtheearth.substack.com/p/the-vaccine-wars Some VERY interesting stuff in there. It's just far enough past my fingertips that I can't quite latch into it. List of articles linked on the page: COVID-19 "Vaccine" Analysis Risk-Benefit Analysis What Risk-Benefit Analysis? Delta Variant and Vaccine Risk-Benefit Analysis Risks What are the Risks of the COVID-19 Vaccines? (Part 1 / Part 2) Variant Roulette (Evolution and Immune Escape) Part 1 Variant Roulette (Evolution and Immune Escape) Part 2 Variant Roulette (Evolution and Immune Escape) Part 3 One of These Things is Not Like the Others: A Precautionary Tale Assessing COVID-19 Vaccine Harms Probable Misclassification of Vaccine Deaths as COVID-19 Deaths Inventor of the mRNA vaccine platform: "I waited...my wife and I both took the [Moderna mRNA] vaccine…" and now he thinks the vaccines are "broken" Silent Type II COVID-19? Estimating Vaccine-Induced Mortality, Part 1 Estimating Vaccine-Induced Mortality, Part 2 Estimating Vaccine-Induced Mortality, Part 3: Q&A and the Million Dollar Bounty Arguments Against Vaccine-Induced Mortality: Wrong Answers Only Estimating Vaccine-Induced Mortality, Part 5(ish): Polling Consistent With Massive Death Tolls Estimating Vaccine-Induced Mortality, Part 6: Hawaii in Isolation Confirmation of Vaccine-Associated Mortality Mechanistic Evidence of Vaccine-Induced Mortality Testimonials by Doctors Who Lost Vaccinated Patients Efficacy Gaming Measurement of Vaccine Efficacy Are UK's Vaccinated Dying More from the Delta Variant? Are UK's Vaccinated Dying More from the Delta Variant? Part 2 Unadjusted Person-Day Risk Vaccine Efficacy and a Conversation with Dr. Brian Tyson The Vaccines are Ineffective: A Play in Three Acts Natural Immunity and Martin Kulldorff's Study Autopsy A Breakthrough in Modeling: Informative Censoring Modeling Bounty for Sensitivity Analysis on Randomized Results Systemic Vaccine Efficacy Basics Systemic Vaccine Efficacy, Part 2 Systemic Vaccine Efficacy, Part 3 The Efficacy Illusions (How the Magic Tricks Work) The Naming Illusion Engineering Interpretations of Data Rigging Safety Signals Defining Away Vaccine Safety Signals Defining Away Vaccine Safety Signals Part 2 Defining Away Vaccine Safety Signals Part 3 How Underreported Are Post-Vaccination Serious Injuries and Deaths in VAERS? COVID Study 1: A Website Gathering Information on COVID-19 Vaccine Results Proof of VAERS Underreporting and Hidden Vaccine-Associated Hospitalizations Interviews, Experts, and Narrative Resistance The San Juan Declaration and a New Media Physicians Declarations in Rome and San Juan Inventor of the mRNA vaccine platform: "I waited...my wife and I both took the [Moderna mRNA] vaccine…" and now he thinks the vaccines are "broken" Vaccine Efficacy and a Conversation with Dr. Brian Tyson Dr. Peter McCullough's Common Sense Breakdown of the Pandemic The Vaccines are Ineffective: A Play in Three Acts COVID-19 "Vaccine" Propaganda Censorship The Censorship of Jessica Rose, PhD and Dr. Peter McCullough Microsoft's Edge Browser Censors Vaccine Research How the Vaccine Investors May Have Signaled to Me That COVID-19 Vaccines Poison Children Gaslighting The Art of Gaslighting: Confession Through Projection Policy and Law OSHA Vaccine Mandate Struck Down Steve Kirsch's Callout of John Su and the Inevitable Clown Attacks Yellow Wrist Bands for Medical Freedom Aaron Rodgers Interview and How Athletes are Standing Up Yellow Wrist/Arm Band Sunday for Aaron Rodgers and Medical Freedom! Chloroquine Wars Vignettes: COVID Summits, Yellow Wrist Bands, and Other Stories I stopped reading when he claimed that US effectiveness of vaccines must be the same as the Uk because both used the same vaccines but the effectiveness is wildly different so something is wrong with US reporting except that the US and UK did NOT use the same vaccines nor the same vaccine schedule. US used Pfizer, Moderna, and J&J. UK used AZ and Pfizer except not at the 3 weeks between shots instead they used 12 weeks between shots. Yet he doesnt mention this He is either very uninformed or is intentionally lying. If he has done so little research to not know the vaccines used or the schedules used everything he says is suspect. What else does he draw conclusions on that he is ignorant of the facts. I stopped reading right there. Might be worthwhile to leave that as a comment on the place you read it? |
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Originally Posted By Mach: I stopped reading when he claimed that US effectiveness of vaccines must be the same as the Uk because both used the same vaccines but the effectiveness is wildly different so something is wrong with US reporting except that the US and UK did NOT use the same vaccines nor the same vaccine schedule. US used Pfizer, Moderna, and J&J. UK used AZ and Pfizer except not at the 3 weeks between shots instead they used 12 weeks between shots. Yet he doesnt mention this He is either very uninformed or is intentionally lying. If he has done so little research to not know the vaccines used or the schedules used everything he says is suspect. What else does he draw conclusions on that he is ignorant of the facts. I stopped reading right there. Originally Posted By Mach: Originally Posted By FlashMan-7k: @exponentialpi @Obelix45 ... and KatanaSword, if you're lurking. https://roundingtheearth.substack.com/p/the-vaccine-wars Some VERY interesting stuff in there. It's just far enough past my fingertips that I can't quite latch into it. List of articles linked on the page: COVID-19 "Vaccine" Analysis Risk-Benefit Analysis What Risk-Benefit Analysis? Delta Variant and Vaccine Risk-Benefit Analysis Risks What are the Risks of the COVID-19 Vaccines? (Part 1 / Part 2) Variant Roulette (Evolution and Immune Escape) Part 1 Variant Roulette (Evolution and Immune Escape) Part 2 Variant Roulette (Evolution and Immune Escape) Part 3 One of These Things is Not Like the Others: A Precautionary Tale Assessing COVID-19 Vaccine Harms Probable Misclassification of Vaccine Deaths as COVID-19 Deaths Inventor of the mRNA vaccine platform: "I waited...my wife and I both took the [Moderna mRNA] vaccine…" and now he thinks the vaccines are "broken" Silent Type II COVID-19? Estimating Vaccine-Induced Mortality, Part 1 Estimating Vaccine-Induced Mortality, Part 2 Estimating Vaccine-Induced Mortality, Part 3: Q&A and the Million Dollar Bounty Arguments Against Vaccine-Induced Mortality: Wrong Answers Only Estimating Vaccine-Induced Mortality, Part 5(ish): Polling Consistent With Massive Death Tolls Estimating Vaccine-Induced Mortality, Part 6: Hawaii in Isolation Confirmation of Vaccine-Associated Mortality Mechanistic Evidence of Vaccine-Induced Mortality Testimonials by Doctors Who Lost Vaccinated Patients Efficacy Gaming Measurement of Vaccine Efficacy Are UK's Vaccinated Dying More from the Delta Variant? Are UK's Vaccinated Dying More from the Delta Variant? Part 2 Unadjusted Person-Day Risk Vaccine Efficacy and a Conversation with Dr. Brian Tyson The Vaccines are Ineffective: A Play in Three Acts Natural Immunity and Martin Kulldorff's Study Autopsy A Breakthrough in Modeling: Informative Censoring Modeling Bounty for Sensitivity Analysis on Randomized Results Systemic Vaccine Efficacy Basics Systemic Vaccine Efficacy, Part 2 Systemic Vaccine Efficacy, Part 3 The Efficacy Illusions (How the Magic Tricks Work) The Naming Illusion Engineering Interpretations of Data Rigging Safety Signals Defining Away Vaccine Safety Signals Defining Away Vaccine Safety Signals Part 2 Defining Away Vaccine Safety Signals Part 3 How Underreported Are Post-Vaccination Serious Injuries and Deaths in VAERS? COVID Study 1: A Website Gathering Information on COVID-19 Vaccine Results Proof of VAERS Underreporting and Hidden Vaccine-Associated Hospitalizations Interviews, Experts, and Narrative Resistance The San Juan Declaration and a New Media Physicians Declarations in Rome and San Juan Inventor of the mRNA vaccine platform: "I waited...my wife and I both took the [Moderna mRNA] vaccine…" and now he thinks the vaccines are "broken" Vaccine Efficacy and a Conversation with Dr. Brian Tyson Dr. Peter McCullough's Common Sense Breakdown of the Pandemic The Vaccines are Ineffective: A Play in Three Acts COVID-19 "Vaccine" Propaganda Censorship The Censorship of Jessica Rose, PhD and Dr. Peter McCullough Microsoft's Edge Browser Censors Vaccine Research How the Vaccine Investors May Have Signaled to Me That COVID-19 Vaccines Poison Children Gaslighting The Art of Gaslighting: Confession Through Projection Policy and Law OSHA Vaccine Mandate Struck Down Steve Kirsch's Callout of John Su and the Inevitable Clown Attacks Yellow Wrist Bands for Medical Freedom Aaron Rodgers Interview and How Athletes are Standing Up Yellow Wrist/Arm Band Sunday for Aaron Rodgers and Medical Freedom! Chloroquine Wars Vignettes: COVID Summits, Yellow Wrist Bands, and Other Stories I stopped reading when he claimed that US effectiveness of vaccines must be the same as the Uk because both used the same vaccines but the effectiveness is wildly different so something is wrong with US reporting except that the US and UK did NOT use the same vaccines nor the same vaccine schedule. US used Pfizer, Moderna, and J&J. UK used AZ and Pfizer except not at the 3 weeks between shots instead they used 12 weeks between shots. Yet he doesnt mention this He is either very uninformed or is intentionally lying. If he has done so little research to not know the vaccines used or the schedules used everything he says is suspect. What else does he draw conclusions on that he is ignorant of the facts. I stopped reading right there. Which article was that? |
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I read a few more articles. He appears to be good at finding hidden biases and questionable assumptions in other people's analyses. He has some blind spots of his own, which isn't surprising considering how quickly he writes articles. They're more like working drafts than final versions. He seems to be receptive when people point out possible issues and oversights in the comments. My initial impression is that he is doing a very good job of discussing and compiling dissenting views from people we don't hear from often due to the censorship in media and scientific journals. For example, there is a discussion by Norman Fenton about the recent UK data in one of the articles that is fascinating. It's a YouTube video called "Analysing Covid vaccine efficiency and safety statistics" that is embedded at the bottom of this article: https://roundingtheearth.substack.com/p/these-vaccines-are-ineffective-a Near the end of the discussion (20:50 in the video), Fenton gives an example of what delayed reporting of COVID deaths would do to efficacy numbers. He shows it would inflate vaccine efficacy, and although he doesn't mention it, using the date of death instead of date of infection (which occurs 2 to 4 weeks prior, typically) would have a similar effect on vaccine efficacy numbers even if reporting weren't delayed. They both have the net effect of making the denominator (vaccinated population) larger than it should be when calculating mortality rate among the vaccinated, because the vaccinated population is increasing with time, therefore making the mortality rate appear to be lower than it actually is. And they both artificially inflate the death rate in the unvaccinated population. Here is another interesting result from Fenton's example of delayed reporting of deaths that I don't think he mentioned: It produces the appearance of decreasing vaccine efficacy over time, even though he assumed that the vaccine had no efficacy at all in the analysis (i.e., it's a placebo). This apparent decrease in efficacy is entirely an artifact of using the incorrect denominator for vaccinated population, due to delayed reporting of death. It makes me really wonder whether all mainstream reports in journals showing decreasing efficacy are finding a false signal due to bias in the data or their approach to analyzing it. The first part of Fenton's talk should raise some eyebrows: He says that he has written 29 papers about COVID risk and statistics, but none of the recent 12 papers (with one minor exception) have been accepted for publication. This is further confirmation of what I think is happening in the scientific literature, which is there is large selection bias in favor of "pro-narrative" research results. In any case, as imperfect as it might be, it's important to have blogs like this that try to bring dissenting perspectives together. It's hard to find them otherwise. |
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Originally Posted By Obelix45: Which article was that? Originally Posted By Obelix45: Originally Posted By Mach: Originally Posted By FlashMan-7k: @exponentialpi @Obelix45 ... and KatanaSword, if you're lurking. https://roundingtheearth.substack.com/p/the-vaccine-wars Some VERY interesting stuff in there. It's just far enough past my fingertips that I can't quite latch into it. List of articles linked on the page: COVID-19 "Vaccine" Analysis Risk-Benefit Analysis What Risk-Benefit Analysis? Delta Variant and Vaccine Risk-Benefit Analysis Risks What are the Risks of the COVID-19 Vaccines? (Part 1 / Part 2) Variant Roulette (Evolution and Immune Escape) Part 1 Variant Roulette (Evolution and Immune Escape) Part 2 Variant Roulette (Evolution and Immune Escape) Part 3 One of These Things is Not Like the Others: A Precautionary Tale Assessing COVID-19 Vaccine Harms Probable Misclassification of Vaccine Deaths as COVID-19 Deaths Inventor of the mRNA vaccine platform: "I waited...my wife and I both took the [Moderna mRNA] vaccine…" and now he thinks the vaccines are "broken" Silent Type II COVID-19? Estimating Vaccine-Induced Mortality, Part 1 Estimating Vaccine-Induced Mortality, Part 2 Estimating Vaccine-Induced Mortality, Part 3: Q&A and the Million Dollar Bounty Arguments Against Vaccine-Induced Mortality: Wrong Answers Only Estimating Vaccine-Induced Mortality, Part 5(ish): Polling Consistent With Massive Death Tolls Estimating Vaccine-Induced Mortality, Part 6: Hawaii in Isolation Confirmation of Vaccine-Associated Mortality Mechanistic Evidence of Vaccine-Induced Mortality Testimonials by Doctors Who Lost Vaccinated Patients Efficacy Gaming Measurement of Vaccine Efficacy Are UK's Vaccinated Dying More from the Delta Variant? Are UK's Vaccinated Dying More from the Delta Variant? Part 2 Unadjusted Person-Day Risk Vaccine Efficacy and a Conversation with Dr. Brian Tyson The Vaccines are Ineffective: A Play in Three Acts Natural Immunity and Martin Kulldorff's Study Autopsy A Breakthrough in Modeling: Informative Censoring Modeling Bounty for Sensitivity Analysis on Randomized Results Systemic Vaccine Efficacy Basics Systemic Vaccine Efficacy, Part 2 Systemic Vaccine Efficacy, Part 3 The Efficacy Illusions (How the Magic Tricks Work) The Naming Illusion Engineering Interpretations of Data Rigging Safety Signals Defining Away Vaccine Safety Signals Defining Away Vaccine Safety Signals Part 2 Defining Away Vaccine Safety Signals Part 3 How Underreported Are Post-Vaccination Serious Injuries and Deaths in VAERS? COVID Study 1: A Website Gathering Information on COVID-19 Vaccine Results Proof of VAERS Underreporting and Hidden Vaccine-Associated Hospitalizations Interviews, Experts, and Narrative Resistance The San Juan Declaration and a New Media Physicians Declarations in Rome and San Juan Inventor of the mRNA vaccine platform: "I waited...my wife and I both took the [Moderna mRNA] vaccine…" and now he thinks the vaccines are "broken" Vaccine Efficacy and a Conversation with Dr. Brian Tyson Dr. Peter McCullough's Common Sense Breakdown of the Pandemic The Vaccines are Ineffective: A Play in Three Acts COVID-19 "Vaccine" Propaganda Censorship The Censorship of Jessica Rose, PhD and Dr. Peter McCullough Microsoft's Edge Browser Censors Vaccine Research How the Vaccine Investors May Have Signaled to Me That COVID-19 Vaccines Poison Children Gaslighting The Art of Gaslighting: Confession Through Projection Policy and Law OSHA Vaccine Mandate Struck Down Steve Kirsch's Callout of John Su and the Inevitable Clown Attacks Yellow Wrist Bands for Medical Freedom Aaron Rodgers Interview and How Athletes are Standing Up Yellow Wrist/Arm Band Sunday for Aaron Rodgers and Medical Freedom! Chloroquine Wars Vignettes: COVID Summits, Yellow Wrist Bands, and Other Stories I stopped reading when he claimed that US effectiveness of vaccines must be the same as the Uk because both used the same vaccines but the effectiveness is wildly different so something is wrong with US reporting except that the US and UK did NOT use the same vaccines nor the same vaccine schedule. US used Pfizer, Moderna, and J&J. UK used AZ and Pfizer except not at the 3 weeks between shots instead they used 12 weeks between shots. Yet he doesnt mention this He is either very uninformed or is intentionally lying. If he has done so little research to not know the vaccines used or the schedules used everything he says is suspect. What else does he draw conclusions on that he is ignorant of the facts. I stopped reading right there. Which article was that? https://roundingtheearth.substack.com/p/probable-misclassification-of-vaccine |
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Originally Posted By Mach: I stopped reading when he claimed that US effectiveness of vaccines must be the same as the Uk because both used the same vaccines but the effectiveness is wildly different so something is wrong with US reporting You can sort through the adverse report data and see that adverse events reported is wildly inconsistent from lot to lot over a several-month period. While this could be an artifact of reporting (i.e., certain areas and institutions not reporting worth a damn), whether that's legit or not it would not be surprising if efficacy also wildly varied. . I'm gonna laugh if Africa gifts us with a new harmless variant that displaces the others, but it'll take a while to see since the authorities are generally useless on reporting. I haven't checked in on this thread in ages, shit has been busy. We are about to break double digits with acquaintances that died 1-3 months following the jab. |
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New travel bans from South Africa to EU countries and Israel. New strain, “Horrific”, heavily mutated according to reports. Fox article |
I always knew you had to be willing to die to even do this job. But, I don't want to push my chips forward and go out and meet something I don't understand. A man would have to put his soul at hazard. He'd have to say, "O.K.I'll be part of this world
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https://www.worldofmolecules.com/3D/B.1.1.529-variant.html B.1.1.529 Variant The new variant appears to have over 30 spike mutations. South African scientists are worried and several of them have warned that the new variant has a combination of mutations that can possibly cause the virus to evade immunity. What are the mutations in B.1.1.529 that are of conern? The mutation P681H seen in the new variant has also been reported in Alpha, Mu, some Gamma, and B.1.1.318 variants. The new variant also carries the N679K, N501Y, P681H, N679K, D614Gvariants. Studies have shown that this mutation helps the variant be more transmissible. It also allows the virus to readily bind to the human angiotensin-converting enzyme 2 (ACE2) receptors. From Tom Peakcock: Twitter "...Just spotted: very small cluster of variant associated with Southern Africa with very long branch length and really awful Spike mutation profile including RBD - K417N, N440K, G446S, S477N, T478K, E484A, Q493K, G496S, Q498R, N501Y, Y505H Full Spike profile: A67V, Δ69-70, T95I, G142D/Δ143-145, Δ211/L212I, ins214EPE, G339D, S371L, S373P, S375F, K417N, N440K, G446S, S477N, T478K, E484A, Q493K, G496S, Q498R, N501Y, Y505H, T547K, D614G, H655Y, N679K, P681H, N764K, D796Y, N856K, Q954H, N969K, L981F Variants of Concern According to World Health Organization, only four variants of the coronavirus are designated as variants of concern namely Alpha (lineage B.1.1.7, the so-called 'UK variant'), Beta (lineage B.1.351, the so-called 'South Africa variant'), Gamma (lineage P.1, the so-called 'Brazil variant') and Delta (lineage B.1.617.2). Could B.1.1.318 variant be unstable The large number of mutation may make the virus unstable. Comparison to Delta Variant The mutation that helps Delta spread like wildfire A key amino-acid change might underlie the coronavirus variant’s ferocious infectivity. "...Pre-activated virus To penetrate cells, the SARS-CoV-2 spike protein must be cut twice by host proteins. In the SARS-CoV-1 virus that causes severe acute respiratory syndrome (SARS), both incisions occur after the virus has locked on to a cell. But with SARS-CoV-2, the presence of the furin cleavage site means that host enzymes (including one called furin) can make the first cut as newly formed viral particles emerge from an infected cell. These pre-activated viral particles can then go on to infect cells more efficiently than do particles requiring two cuts, says Whittaker...." "...Shi’s team and other groups have zeroed in on a mutation that alters a single amino acid in the SARS-CoV-2 spike protein — the viral molecule responsible for recognizing and invading cells. The change, which is called P681R and transforms a proline residue into an arginine, falls within an intensely studied region of the spike protein called the furin cleavage site..." Follow-up experiments by both groups showed that the P681R change was largely responsible for spike being clipped so much more efficiently. Delta spike P681R mutation enhances SARS-CoV-2 fitness over Alpha variant "...The Delta spike has accumulated mutation P681R located at a furin cleavage site that separates the spike 1 (S1) and S2 subunits. Reverting the P681R mutation to wild-type P681 significantly reduced the replication of D B.1.617.1-region.jpg B.1.617.2-region.jpg Images above taken from Jsmol (below) PDB:7v7f-->B.1.617.1 variant showing : Thr(478); E484Q mutation; and Arg(452) Note: Jsmol structures below -- mutations performed using Swiss-Pdb -- no further minimizations or Molecular Dynamics Simulations were performed PDB:7v7f-->B.1.617.1 kappa variant showing Glyc(614); Thr(478); E484Q mutation; Arg(452) -------------->spin on -------->- spin off ->zoom in to E484Q -------->- zoom out To Rotate the Molecule--->Left Click and Drag To Zoom-->>Left Click + hold Shift button and Drag Vertically To see amino acid and atom number hold cursor over atom Jmol Menu --->>Right-Click PDB:77v7f-->mutated to B.1.617.2--> D614G, T478K, L452R, P681R. --E484Q--> E484(Glu) - -------------->spin on -------->- spin off ->zoom in to E484 (Glu) -------->- zoom out To Rotate the Molecule--->Left Click and Drag To Zoom-->>Left Click + hold Shift button and Drag Vertically To see amino acid and atom number hold cursor over atom Jmol Menu --->>Right-Click How Dangerous is the Delta Variant (B.1.617.2) The receptor binding domain is the portion of the spike protein that binds directly to human ACE2 receptors. Delta has 3 RBD mutations. The first, a lysine to asparagine substitution at position 417, is present in some, but not all sequences of B.1.617.2. It is also common to the Beta variant and has been associated with conformational changes to S protein, which may aid in immune escape. The second mutation, a leucine to arginine substitution at position 452, is common to the former variant of interest Epsilon, and is known to increase affinity for ACE2 receptors found on the surface of a variety of human cells, including the lungs. And the third, a threonine to lysine substitution at position 478, is common to the B.1.1.519 lineage, and has been predicted to increase electrostatic potential and steric hindrance, which may further increase RBD/ACE2 binding affinity and enable immune escape. ..."How Dangerous Is the Delta Variant (B.1.617.2)? -------------->spin on -------->- spin off -------------->zoom into receptor binding site -(Amino acids 417K ,478T, 452L) ------->- zoom out Jmol Menu --->>Right-Click -------------->spin on -------->- spin off -------------->zoom into receptor binding site -(Amino acids 417N (this is delta+), 478K, 452R ---Delta with K417N originally corresponded to lineages AY.1 and AY.2 ------->- zoom out Jmol Menu --->>Right-Click Readings: Evolutionary analysis of the Delta and Delta Plus variants of the SARS-CoV-2 viruses Nov. 2021 SARS-CoV-2 Variant Classifications and Definitions Oct. 2021 Delta spike P681R mutation enhances SARS-CoV-2 fitness over Alpha variant --Oct 2021 Structural and functional mechanism of SARS-CoV-2 cell entry The mutation that helps Delta spread like wildfire A key amino-acid change might underlie the coronavirus variant’s ferocious infectivity. -August 2021 The spike glycoprotein of the new coronavirus 2019-nCoV contains a furin-like cleavage site absent in CoV of the same clade - April 2020 Effectiveness of Covid-19 Vaccines against the B.1.617.2 (Delta) Variant Aug. 2021 Sars-CoV-2 Variants The novel coronavirus SARS-CoV2 The D614G mutant strain B.1.1.7 and B.1.525 UK variant Brazil P.1 B.1.351 South Africa B.1.427/B.1.429, California QP77P Mutation B.1.526, NY E484K or S477N Mutations B.1.617.2+ (delta+) Molecules of Disease Small Molecules Cholesterol Nicotine Trans Fatty Acid Alcohol Acetyaldehyde Proteins Cytokines Hemoglobin S Prions Botulinum Toxin Explain it with Molecules Why is water such a good solvent? Why does ice float? Why do solids, liquids and gases behave differently? What is the geometry of methane? What's the difference between alpha and beta glucose? How does caffeine work in the brain? How does soap work? What is the difference between sucrose and fructose? Why is carbon monoxide so dangerous? Why is graphite so soft if it is made of only carbon? What is the difference between Carbyne and Graphite? Why is the fullerene and similar structures the cornerstone of nanotechnology? How big is a nanotube? Why does table salt have a cubic crystal shape? What is the structure of the benzene molecule? Why do carcinogens cause cancer? What causes Sickle Cell Anemia? What is the difference between sodium nitrite and nitrate? How do drugs work? Copyright © EDinformatics.com 1999 https://www.newscientist.com/article/2299194-b-1-1-529-how-dangerous-is-the-new-variant-found-in-south-africa/ B.1.1.529: How dangerous is the new variant found in South Africa? There are many open questions about the new variant of SARS-CoV-2 detected in South Africa. Here's what we know so far Health 26 November 2021 By Adam Vaughan A woman in Johannesburg receives a nasal swab from a health worker A woman in Johannesburg receives a nasal swab from a health worker EMMANUEL CROSET/AFP via Getty Images A new variant of SARS-CoV-2 with an unusually high number of mutations has been detected in South Africa and appears to have triggered a recent surge in cases there. When was B.1.1.529 first identified? It was first detected on 23 November in South Africa using samples taken between 14 and 16 November. Joe Phaahla, South Africa’s health minister, said yesterday that he believes the variant is behind an exponential daily rise in covid-19 cases across the country in recent days. Yesterday, the UK Health Security Agency (HSA) designated it a variant under investigation, triggering travel restrictions for people travelling to the UK from South Africa, Botswana, Lesotho, Eswatini, Zimbabwe and Namibia. The World Health Organization lists B.1.1.529 as a variant under monitoring, but is expected to elevate it to a variant of interest after a meeting of its Technical Advisory Group on SARS-CoV-2 Virus Evolution. It will then probably officially get the Greek letter “Nu” as its name. What is happening in South Africa? National daily cases have gone from 274 on 11 November to 1000 a fortnight later. While the rate of growth has been fast, absolute numbers are still relatively low compared to the UK, which saw 50,000 cases on 26 November. More than 80 per cent of South Africa’s cases are currently in the country’s Gauteng province. All of the 77 cases sequenced in the province between 12 and 20 November were identified as the variant. The estimated reproduction number, the average number of people one person will likely infect, is almost 2 in Gauteng compared to nearly 1.5 nationally. What do B.1.1.529’s mutations tell us? The variant has a “very unusual constellation of mutations,” says Sharon Peacock at the University of Cambridge. There are more than 30 mutations in the spike protein, the part of the virus that interacts with human cells. Other mutations may help the virus bypass our immune systems, make it more transmissible and less susceptible to treatments, according to the HSA. But the body notes “this has not been proven”. What the mutations mean is currently theoretical and based on experience of past mutations of SARS-CoV-2 rather than lab tests. Wendy Barclay at Imperial College London says “we don’t really know” if it will reduce the effectiveness of vaccines. Nonetheless, she says that in theory the number of changes across the antigenic sites on the variant’s spike means the effectiveness of antibodies produced by covid-19 vaccines would be compromised. Mutations on a part of the virus known as the furin cleavage site are similar to those seen in the Alpha and Delta variants, which could help the variant spread more easily. Barclay says “it’s very biologically plausible” that B.1.1.529 has greater transmissibility than Delta. The mutations also mean the new variant is likely to be more resistant to antibody treatments such as those developed by Regeneron, which have been shown to save lives. “That is really a cause for concern”, says Barclay. One small bright spot is, to date, there are no signs that the variant causes more severe disease. How far has it spread? Genomic sequencing has found the variant in South Africa, Botswana and Hong Kong. There are also reported cases in Israel, apparently originating from a traveller from Malawi, and in Belgium, from someone who had travelled from Egypt. UK health secretary Sajid Javid said it is “highly likely” the variant has spread to other countries. No cases have been detected in the UK yet, where about a fifth of positive cases are sent for genomic sequencing. Even in countries with low levels of sequencing, there may be some early warning signs for countries, as the variant is linked to S-gene dropout which is picked up by PCR tests, says Jeffrey Barret at the Wellcome Sanger Institute. How have other countries responded? The UK and EU have both imposed restrictions on people travelling from countries in southern Africa, with Javid saying the variant is of “huge international concern”. Is it a given that this will outcompete Delta? We don’t know. “We don’t have definitive evidence at the moment that this is more transmissible, but there are hints there that it may be,” says Peacock, pointing to the growth in South Africa and the higher R number in Gauteng. Some earlier variants have failed to get a toehold in certain countries because of the competition from other variants: Beta has not become established in the UK, for example, while Alpha spread from Europe but never reached high levels in South Africa. “If this variant is not as transmissible as Delta that would be good news for sure,” says Barrett. What can I do? All the usual measures of social distancing, handwashing, mask-wearing, getting vaccinated and having a booster all still apply. The emergence of such a potentially worrying variant is, however, a reminder of the risk of uneven vaccination rates globally – only 24 per cent of people are fully vaccinated in South Africa – and why helping low and middle income countries access vaccines is important. How much do we really know about this variant? Most of our knowledge is from the Network for Genomic Surveillance in South Africa, and the South African government, both of whom have been praised by researchers for acting fast to share information on the variant. But there is still more we don’t know than we do. Tulio de Oliveira at Stellenbosch University, South Africa, said yesterday that the full significance of the variant’s mutations “remain uncertain.” Peacock adds: “It’s important to stress how much we don’t know this new variant.“ This seems to be one of the more informative information sources: https://www.krisp.org.za/manuscripts/25Nov2021_B.1.1.529_Media.pdf From the PDF link: Attached File Attached File |
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B 1.1.529 just in time for Black Friday! And with 30+ mutations on the spike and elsewhere, the existing "vaccinations" are ineffective against it. Will Dementia Joe and Fauxi still push the current vax? Or say "we have a new one ready in two weeks/six months"? |
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Originally Posted By ErikInAZ: B 1.1.529 just in time for Black Friday! And with 30+ mutations on the spike and elsewhere, the existing "vaccinations" are ineffective against it. Will Dementia Joe and Fauxi still push the current vax? Or say "we have a new one ready in two weeks/six months"? Of course they'll push it - or push a new one. The current one isn't effective either. |
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Originally Posted By FlashMan-7k: https://www.worldofmolecules.com/3D/B.1.1.529-variant.html https://www.newscientist.com/article/2299194-b-1-1-529-how-dangerous-is-the-new-variant-found-in-south-africa/ 30 or 32 mutations on the spike and they are STILL saying take the vax. Wild. This seems to be one of the more informative information sources: https://www.krisp.org.za/manuscripts/25Nov2021_B.1.1.529_Media.pdf From the PDF link: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/509682/b11529_jpg-2181882.JPG https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/509682/za_statement_jpg-2181883.JPG Originally Posted By FlashMan-7k: https://www.worldofmolecules.com/3D/B.1.1.529-variant.html B.1.1.529 Variant The new variant appears to have over 30 spike mutations. South African scientists are worried and several of them have warned that the new variant has a combination of mutations that can possibly cause the virus to evade immunity. What are the mutations in B.1.1.529 that are of conern? The mutation P681H seen in the new variant has also been reported in Alpha, Mu, some Gamma, and B.1.1.318 variants. The new variant also carries the N679K, N501Y, P681H, N679K, D614Gvariants. Studies have shown that this mutation helps the variant be more transmissible. It also allows the virus to readily bind to the human angiotensin-converting enzyme 2 (ACE2) receptors. From Tom Peakcock: Twitter "...Just spotted: very small cluster of variant associated with Southern Africa with very long branch length and really awful Spike mutation profile including RBD - K417N, N440K, G446S, S477N, T478K, E484A, Q493K, G496S, Q498R, N501Y, Y505H Full Spike profile: A67V, Δ69-70, T95I, G142D/Δ143-145, Δ211/L212I, ins214EPE, G339D, S371L, S373P, S375F, K417N, N440K, G446S, S477N, T478K, E484A, Q493K, G496S, Q498R, N501Y, Y505H, T547K, D614G, H655Y, N679K, P681H, N764K, D796Y, N856K, Q954H, N969K, L981F Variants of Concern According to World Health Organization, only four variants of the coronavirus are designated as variants of concern namely Alpha (lineage B.1.1.7, the so-called 'UK variant'), Beta (lineage B.1.351, the so-called 'South Africa variant'), Gamma (lineage P.1, the so-called 'Brazil variant') and Delta (lineage B.1.617.2). Could B.1.1.318 variant be unstable The large number of mutation may make the virus unstable. Comparison to Delta Variant The mutation that helps Delta spread like wildfire A key amino-acid change might underlie the coronavirus variant’s ferocious infectivity. "...Pre-activated virus To penetrate cells, the SARS-CoV-2 spike protein must be cut twice by host proteins. In the SARS-CoV-1 virus that causes severe acute respiratory syndrome (SARS), both incisions occur after the virus has locked on to a cell. But with SARS-CoV-2, the presence of the furin cleavage site means that host enzymes (including one called furin) can make the first cut as newly formed viral particles emerge from an infected cell. These pre-activated viral particles can then go on to infect cells more efficiently than do particles requiring two cuts, says Whittaker...." "...Shi’s team and other groups have zeroed in on a mutation that alters a single amino acid in the SARS-CoV-2 spike protein — the viral molecule responsible for recognizing and invading cells. The change, which is called P681R and transforms a proline residue into an arginine, falls within an intensely studied region of the spike protein called the furin cleavage site..." Follow-up experiments by both groups showed that the P681R change was largely responsible for spike being clipped so much more efficiently. Delta spike P681R mutation enhances SARS-CoV-2 fitness over Alpha variant "...The Delta spike has accumulated mutation P681R located at a furin cleavage site that separates the spike 1 (S1) and S2 subunits. Reverting the P681R mutation to wild-type P681 significantly reduced the replication of D B.1.617.1-region.jpg B.1.617.2-region.jpg Images above taken from Jsmol (below) PDB:7v7f-->B.1.617.1 variant showing : Thr(478); E484Q mutation; and Arg(452) Note: Jsmol structures below -- mutations performed using Swiss-Pdb -- no further minimizations or Molecular Dynamics Simulations were performed PDB:7v7f-->B.1.617.1 kappa variant showing Glyc(614); Thr(478); E484Q mutation; Arg(452) -------------->spin on -------->- spin off ->zoom in to E484Q -------->- zoom out To Rotate the Molecule--->Left Click and Drag To Zoom-->>Left Click + hold Shift button and Drag Vertically To see amino acid and atom number hold cursor over atom Jmol Menu --->>Right-Click PDB:77v7f-->mutated to B.1.617.2--> D614G, T478K, L452R, P681R. --E484Q--> E484(Glu) - -------------->spin on -------->- spin off ->zoom in to E484 (Glu) -------->- zoom out To Rotate the Molecule--->Left Click and Drag To Zoom-->>Left Click + hold Shift button and Drag Vertically To see amino acid and atom number hold cursor over atom Jmol Menu --->>Right-Click How Dangerous is the Delta Variant (B.1.617.2) The receptor binding domain is the portion of the spike protein that binds directly to human ACE2 receptors. Delta has 3 RBD mutations. The first, a lysine to asparagine substitution at position 417, is present in some, but not all sequences of B.1.617.2. It is also common to the Beta variant and has been associated with conformational changes to S protein, which may aid in immune escape. The second mutation, a leucine to arginine substitution at position 452, is common to the former variant of interest Epsilon, and is known to increase affinity for ACE2 receptors found on the surface of a variety of human cells, including the lungs. And the third, a threonine to lysine substitution at position 478, is common to the B.1.1.519 lineage, and has been predicted to increase electrostatic potential and steric hindrance, which may further increase RBD/ACE2 binding affinity and enable immune escape. ..."How Dangerous Is the Delta Variant (B.1.617.2)? -------------->spin on -------->- spin off -------------->zoom into receptor binding site -(Amino acids 417K ,478T, 452L) ------->- zoom out Jmol Menu --->>Right-Click -------------->spin on -------->- spin off -------------->zoom into receptor binding site -(Amino acids 417N (this is delta+), 478K, 452R ---Delta with K417N originally corresponded to lineages AY.1 and AY.2 ------->- zoom out Jmol Menu --->>Right-Click Readings: Evolutionary analysis of the Delta and Delta Plus variants of the SARS-CoV-2 viruses Nov. 2021 SARS-CoV-2 Variant Classifications and Definitions Oct. 2021 Delta spike P681R mutation enhances SARS-CoV-2 fitness over Alpha variant --Oct 2021 Structural and functional mechanism of SARS-CoV-2 cell entry The mutation that helps Delta spread like wildfire A key amino-acid change might underlie the coronavirus variant’s ferocious infectivity. -August 2021 The spike glycoprotein of the new coronavirus 2019-nCoV contains a furin-like cleavage site absent in CoV of the same clade - April 2020 Effectiveness of Covid-19 Vaccines against the B.1.617.2 (Delta) Variant Aug. 2021 Sars-CoV-2 Variants The novel coronavirus SARS-CoV2 The D614G mutant strain B.1.1.7 and B.1.525 UK variant Brazil P.1 B.1.351 South Africa B.1.427/B.1.429, California QP77P Mutation B.1.526, NY E484K or S477N Mutations B.1.617.2+ (delta+) Molecules of Disease Small Molecules Cholesterol Nicotine Trans Fatty Acid Alcohol Acetyaldehyde Proteins Cytokines Hemoglobin S Prions Botulinum Toxin Explain it with Molecules Why is water such a good solvent? Why does ice float? Why do solids, liquids and gases behave differently? What is the geometry of methane? What's the difference between alpha and beta glucose? How does caffeine work in the brain? How does soap work? What is the difference between sucrose and fructose? Why is carbon monoxide so dangerous? Why is graphite so soft if it is made of only carbon? What is the difference between Carbyne and Graphite? Why is the fullerene and similar structures the cornerstone of nanotechnology? How big is a nanotube? Why does table salt have a cubic crystal shape? What is the structure of the benzene molecule? Why do carcinogens cause cancer? What causes Sickle Cell Anemia? What is the difference between sodium nitrite and nitrate? How do drugs work? Copyright © EDinformatics.com 1999 https://www.newscientist.com/article/2299194-b-1-1-529-how-dangerous-is-the-new-variant-found-in-south-africa/ B.1.1.529: How dangerous is the new variant found in South Africa? There are many open questions about the new variant of SARS-CoV-2 detected in South Africa. Here's what we know so far Health 26 November 2021 By Adam Vaughan A woman in Johannesburg receives a nasal swab from a health worker A woman in Johannesburg receives a nasal swab from a health worker EMMANUEL CROSET/AFP via Getty Images A new variant of SARS-CoV-2 with an unusually high number of mutations has been detected in South Africa and appears to have triggered a recent surge in cases there. When was B.1.1.529 first identified? It was first detected on 23 November in South Africa using samples taken between 14 and 16 November. Joe Phaahla, South Africa’s health minister, said yesterday that he believes the variant is behind an exponential daily rise in covid-19 cases across the country in recent days. Yesterday, the UK Health Security Agency (HSA) designated it a variant under investigation, triggering travel restrictions for people travelling to the UK from South Africa, Botswana, Lesotho, Eswatini, Zimbabwe and Namibia. The World Health Organization lists B.1.1.529 as a variant under monitoring, but is expected to elevate it to a variant of interest after a meeting of its Technical Advisory Group on SARS-CoV-2 Virus Evolution. It will then probably officially get the Greek letter “Nu” as its name. What is happening in South Africa? National daily cases have gone from 274 on 11 November to 1000 a fortnight later. While the rate of growth has been fast, absolute numbers are still relatively low compared to the UK, which saw 50,000 cases on 26 November. More than 80 per cent of South Africa’s cases are currently in the country’s Gauteng province. All of the 77 cases sequenced in the province between 12 and 20 November were identified as the variant. The estimated reproduction number, the average number of people one person will likely infect, is almost 2 in Gauteng compared to nearly 1.5 nationally. What do B.1.1.529’s mutations tell us? The variant has a “very unusual constellation of mutations,” says Sharon Peacock at the University of Cambridge. There are more than 30 mutations in the spike protein, the part of the virus that interacts with human cells. Other mutations may help the virus bypass our immune systems, make it more transmissible and less susceptible to treatments, according to the HSA. But the body notes “this has not been proven”. What the mutations mean is currently theoretical and based on experience of past mutations of SARS-CoV-2 rather than lab tests. Wendy Barclay at Imperial College London says “we don’t really know” if it will reduce the effectiveness of vaccines. Nonetheless, she says that in theory the number of changes across the antigenic sites on the variant’s spike means the effectiveness of antibodies produced by covid-19 vaccines would be compromised. Mutations on a part of the virus known as the furin cleavage site are similar to those seen in the Alpha and Delta variants, which could help the variant spread more easily. Barclay says “it’s very biologically plausible” that B.1.1.529 has greater transmissibility than Delta. The mutations also mean the new variant is likely to be more resistant to antibody treatments such as those developed by Regeneron, which have been shown to save lives. “That is really a cause for concern”, says Barclay. One small bright spot is, to date, there are no signs that the variant causes more severe disease. How far has it spread? Genomic sequencing has found the variant in South Africa, Botswana and Hong Kong. There are also reported cases in Israel, apparently originating from a traveller from Malawi, and in Belgium, from someone who had travelled from Egypt. UK health secretary Sajid Javid said it is “highly likely” the variant has spread to other countries. No cases have been detected in the UK yet, where about a fifth of positive cases are sent for genomic sequencing. Even in countries with low levels of sequencing, there may be some early warning signs for countries, as the variant is linked to S-gene dropout which is picked up by PCR tests, says Jeffrey Barret at the Wellcome Sanger Institute. How have other countries responded? The UK and EU have both imposed restrictions on people travelling from countries in southern Africa, with Javid saying the variant is of “huge international concern”. Is it a given that this will outcompete Delta? We don’t know. “We don’t have definitive evidence at the moment that this is more transmissible, but there are hints there that it may be,” says Peacock, pointing to the growth in South Africa and the higher R number in Gauteng. Some earlier variants have failed to get a toehold in certain countries because of the competition from other variants: Beta has not become established in the UK, for example, while Alpha spread from Europe but never reached high levels in South Africa. “If this variant is not as transmissible as Delta that would be good news for sure,” says Barrett. What can I do? All the usual measures of social distancing, handwashing, mask-wearing, getting vaccinated and having a booster all still apply. The emergence of such a potentially worrying variant is, however, a reminder of the risk of uneven vaccination rates globally – only 24 per cent of people are fully vaccinated in South Africa – and why helping low and middle income countries access vaccines is important. How much do we really know about this variant? Most of our knowledge is from the Network for Genomic Surveillance in South Africa, and the South African government, both of whom have been praised by researchers for acting fast to share information on the variant. But there is still more we don’t know than we do. Tulio de Oliveira at Stellenbosch University, South Africa, said yesterday that the full significance of the variant’s mutations “remain uncertain.” Peacock adds: “It’s important to stress how much we don’t know this new variant.“ This seems to be one of the more informative information sources: https://www.krisp.org.za/manuscripts/25Nov2021_B.1.1.529_Media.pdf From the PDF link: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/509682/b11529_jpg-2181882.JPG https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/509682/za_statement_jpg-2181883.JPG I am seriously wondering when OAS gets the white courtesy phone page. It's coming with the stupidity of those in charge. |
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Originally Posted By boltcatch:...I haven't checked in on this thread in ages, shit has been busy. We are about to break double digits with acquaintances that died 1-3 months following the jab. That's just awful. I'm very sorry to hear that. My unfortunate guess is their families will not have any recourse. I had the second jab in August. AFAIK, I haven't had any side effects. OTOH, when trying to go to sleep my leg feels like it wants to run away from me. It is probably the result of not enough physical activity in recent times. |
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Originally Posted By boltcatch:...I haven't checked in on this thread in ages, shit has been busy. We are about to break double digits with acquaintances that died 1-3 months following the jab. What are the approximate ages of the acquaintances that died after the jab? |
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https://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-10256373/Dr-ANGELIQUE-COETZEE-discovered-Omicron-says-reacting-threat.html I've seen nothing in this variant that warrants Britain's extreme response to it: Dr ANGELIQUE COETZEE, the doctor who alerted the world to the Omicron Covid variant, says we are over-reacting to the threat By Dr Angelique Coetzee For The Daily Mail Published: 19:42 EST, 29 November 2021 | Updated: 20:10 EST, 29 November 2021 As chair of the South African Medical Association and a GP of 33 years’ standing, I have seen a lot over my medical career. But nothing has prepared me for the extraordinary global reaction that met my announcement this week that I had seen a young man in my surgery who had a case of Covid that turned out to be the Omicron variant. This version of the virus had been circulating in southern Africa for some time, having been previously identified in Botswana. But given my public-facing role, by announcing its presence in my own patient, I unwittingly brought it to global attention. Quite simply, I have been stunned at the response – and especially from Britain. And let me be clear: nothing I have seen about this new variant warrants the extreme action the UK government has taken in response to it. No one here in South Africa is known to have been hospitalised with the Omicron variant, nor is anyone here believed to have fallen seriously ill with it. Yet Britain and other European nations have reacted with heavy travel restrictions on flights from across southern Africa, as well as imposing tighter rules at home on mask-wearing, fines and extended quarantines. The simple truth is: we don’t know yet anywhere near enough about Omicron to make such judgments or to impose such policies. In South Africa, we’ve retained a sense of perspective. We’ve had no new regulations or talk of lockdowns because we’re waiting to see what the variant actually means. We’ve also become accustomed here to new Covid variants emerging. So when our scientists confirmed the discovery of yet another, nobody made a huge thing of it. Many people didn’t even notice. But after Britain heard about it, the global picture started to change. Even as our scientists tried to point out the huge gaps in the world’s knowledge about this variant, European nations immediately and unilaterally banned travel from this part of the world. Our government was understandably angered by this, pointing out that ‘Excellent science should be applauded, not punished.’ If, as some evidence suggests, Omicron turns out to be a fast-spreading virus with mostly mild symptoms for the majority of the people who catch it, that would be a useful step on the road to herd immunity. We’ll learn in the next two weeks if that’s the case. The worst situation – of course – would be a fast-spreading virus with severe infections. But that’s not where we are at the moment. Here in South Africa, what I and my GP colleagues are seeing doesn’t in any way warrant the knee-jerk reaction we’ve seen from the UK. For one thing, we’re not – at least for now – treating patients who are severely ill. Take my first Omicron case, the young man I mentioned earlier. It didn’t occur to him that he had Covid: he thought he’d had too much sun after working outside. After he tested positive, so did his wife and four-month-old baby. So far, the patients who’ve tested positive for Omicron here have been mainly young men – a mixture of vaccinated and unvaccinated (though, in our statistics, ‘unvaccinated’ can also mean ‘single-vaccinated’). Only yesterday, I saw five more patients who had tested positive for the new variant. They all had a very mild illness. So, at the moment, I’m afraid it seems to me that Britain is merely hyping up the alarm about this variant unnecessarily. Yes, the picture might one day look different. I have yet to see older, unvaccinated people infected with the new variant, for example, and they might well present with a more severe form of the disease. But the reality is that Covid is something we have to learn to live with. Look after yourself and get your vaccines. Above all, don’t panic – and that goes for governments as well. Dr Coetzee is chair of the South African Medical Association and first alerted the world to the Omicron Covid variant last week. |