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Link Posted: 7/16/2024 7:32:56 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By WDEagle:

I see her now.  Wonder why they have a different crew tonight.
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Originally Posted By WDEagle:
Originally Posted By Riply21:
watch closer at the second half of the video tail end of the detail turns to work the crowd black woman with 72 pounds of hair.

I see her now.  Wonder why they have a different crew tonight.
I'd guess most if not all would be sidelined after the incident if not for gathering information.
Link Posted: 7/16/2024 7:36:02 AM EDT
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Underrated comment.
Link Posted: 7/16/2024 7:38:05 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By TaskForce:


I've been saying all along whoever was in charge should have made sure every team was in place.
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Originally Posted By TaskForce:
Originally Posted By WUPHF:


Which still begs the question how the rest of the security apparatus, realizing the planned posting of personnel on that specific roof hadn’t occurred (a roof that they themselves have acknowledged was a security vulnerability), didn’t do anything about it.


I've been saying all along whoever was in charge should have made sure every team was in place.


My thoughts exactly. Check, double-check and no show until everyone is in place. It appears that the SS is at fault for assuming the locals were competent. SS may have had decent game plan but didn't follow up to make sure it was implemented, leading to a cascading failure.


Link Posted: 7/16/2024 7:38:31 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By LeadBreakfast:

Ehh, having worked in facilities like that, "nutrition specialist" isn't a ringing endorsement. The job is follow orders from a nutritionist/cook and make sure the residents get food. Most of the people working in that position in every home ive ever seen are 16-17 year old high school kids. The smarter and motivated ones go get a CNA certificate, mame more money and do difficult work (and can get some college paid for too if they stay in that career field...)

That said, he may have done great with old folks because they weren't judgmental towards him and actually appreciated him.
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Originally Posted By Tyvar:
Things with this kid just keep not falling into any patterns.  Unlike most schizos this kid was employed as a "nutrition specialist" at a retirement home.  Meaning he fed old people for a living.  The his coworkers and employers actually spoke very well of him and evidently he had very good job performance and displayed lots of patience will the old codgers - that's not something a schizo 20 year old does.

I've never believed in MKULTRA conspiracy shit before but damn if this isn't making me go hmmm.

Ehh, having worked in facilities like that, "nutrition specialist" isn't a ringing endorsement. The job is follow orders from a nutritionist/cook and make sure the residents get food. Most of the people working in that position in every home ive ever seen are 16-17 year old high school kids. The smarter and motivated ones go get a CNA certificate, mame more money and do difficult work (and can get some college paid for too if they stay in that career field...)

That said, he may have done great with old folks because they weren't judgmental towards him and actually appreciated him.

Pretty sure nutrition specialist at our local hospitals are just the people pushing the carts delivering meals to patients.

Wasn’t the “video of high school bullying” classmates making fun of him for wearing bell bottom leggings? Most of the old timers(people likely to be in facilities) I grew up around would have had a field day with a weirdo like that. As they should, because removing shame and violence from our society is why we’re in this mess.
Link Posted: 7/16/2024 7:38:47 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By GrinningDag:
Whats so special about this? A lot of people had their phones out filming Trump getting shot.
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She looked calm like she knew she wasn’t in the line of fire, and actually had a smirk on her face as she raised her phone up to take pics or video?

Curios if anyone investigating this has looked into her
Link Posted: 7/16/2024 7:41:22 AM EDT
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The kids $15 share blue donation got him a steady stream of liberal emails telling him DJT was the biggest threat to the world.

Link Posted: 7/16/2024 7:44:48 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By Hedonist:
The kids $15 share blue donation got him a steady stream of liberal emails telling him DJT was the biggest threat to the world.

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Link Posted: 7/16/2024 7:46:05 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By bulldog1967:


Bongino, who WAS SS, says that is bullshit.
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Originally Posted By bulldog1967:
Originally Posted By glock27bill:
Dunno if this has been posted before.  Thirty seven minute interview with Erik Prince (Blackwater founder) by Patrick Bet-David.  Prince says that the Secret Service snipers have a Don't Shoot First policy!  

So much WTF, but Prince stops short of saying what we're all thinking.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dxpJnUWHxds


Bongino, who WAS SS, says that is bullshit.



ROE that Bongino worked under may have changed under the current woke admin. Bongino and Prince may both be correct, just different time frames.

There's also the possibility that the SS CS's had to de-conflict before shooting due to the fact that there were supposed to be local LE on that roof.
Link Posted: 7/16/2024 7:46:54 AM EDT
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I haven't seen that.
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His nugget was very intact for a 300WM SMK hit. The damage does look more like a FMJ 5.56 to me.
Link Posted: 7/16/2024 7:48:19 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By AFARR:
Anyone recognize that logo on the t shirt?  Stylized bird of prey with D/R
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Yes,Demolition Ranch shirt. Since about page 10.
Link Posted: 7/16/2024 7:49:49 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By apierce918:

Supposedly he ranges it they snapped a pic, and then he went to get his shit…

https://www.cbsnews.com/live-updates/trump-shooting-statement-joe-biden-updates/

Three snipers were stationed inside building used in Trump assassination attempt
There were three snipers stationed inside the building the shooter used during Saturday's shooting of former President Donald Trump, a local law enforcement officer with direct knowledge of the incident tells CBS News.

The operations plan had them stationed inside the building looking out windows toward the Trump rally. The information about the three snipers being inside the building was first reported by BeaverCountian.com.

One of the snipers inside saw Thomas Matthew Crooks outside and looking up at the roof, observing the building and disappearing, a local law enforcement officer tells CBS News.

Crooks came back, sat down and looked at his phone. At that point, one of the snipers took a picture of him. Crooks took out a rangefinder and the sniper radioed to the command post. Crooks disappeared again and then came back a third time with a backpack. The snipers called in with information that he had a backpack and said he was walking towards the back of the building.

Officers believe that Crooks might have used an air conditioning unit to get on top of the roof.

By the time other officers came for backup, he had climbed on top of the building and was positioned above and behind the snipers inside the building, the officer said.

Two other officers who heard the sniper's call tried to get onto the roof. State police started rushing to the scene, but by that time, a Secret Service sniper had already killed Crooks, the officer said.

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Once a rangefinder was seen- why the hell didn’t they swarm Crooks????
Link Posted: 7/16/2024 7:55:45 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By diesel1:



ROE that Bongino worked under may have changed under the current woke admin. Bongino and Prince may both be correct, just different time frames.

There's also the possibility that the SS CS's had to de-conflict before shooting due to the fact that there were supposed to be local LE on that roof.
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Originally Posted By bulldog1967:
Originally Posted By glock27bill:
Dunno if this has been posted before.  Thirty seven minute interview with Erik Prince (Blackwater founder) by Patrick Bet-David.  Prince says that the Secret Service snipers have a Don't Shoot First policy!  

So much WTF, but Prince stops short of saying what we're all thinking.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dxpJnUWHxds


Bongino, who WAS SS, says that is bullshit.



ROE that Bongino worked under may have changed under the current woke admin. Bongino and Prince may both be correct, just different time frames.

There's also the possibility that the SS CS's had to de-conflict before shooting due to the fact that there were supposed to be local LE on that roof.

You don’t know if the bolder text is correct.
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Originally Posted By NY12ga:

Once a rangefinder was seen- why the hell didn’t they swarm Crooks????
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Originally Posted By NY12ga:
Originally Posted By apierce918:

Supposedly he ranges it they snapped a pic, and then he went to get his shit…

https://www.cbsnews.com/live-updates/trump-shooting-statement-joe-biden-updates/

Three snipers were stationed inside building used in Trump assassination attempt
There were three snipers stationed inside the building the shooter used during Saturday's shooting of former President Donald Trump, a local law enforcement officer with direct knowledge of the incident tells CBS News.

The operations plan had them stationed inside the building looking out windows toward the Trump rally. The information about the three snipers being inside the building was first reported by BeaverCountian.com.

One of the snipers inside saw Thomas Matthew Crooks outside and looking up at the roof, observing the building and disappearing, a local law enforcement officer tells CBS News.

Crooks came back, sat down and looked at his phone. At that point, one of the snipers took a picture of him. Crooks took out a rangefinder and the sniper radioed to the command post. Crooks disappeared again and then came back a third time with a backpack. The snipers called in with information that he had a backpack and said he was walking towards the back of the building.

Officers believe that Crooks might have used an air conditioning unit to get on top of the roof.

By the time other officers came for backup, he had climbed on top of the building and was positioned above and behind the snipers inside the building, the officer said.

Two other officers who heard the sniper's call tried to get onto the roof. State police started rushing to the scene, but by that time, a Secret Service sniper had already killed Crooks, the officer said.


Once a rangefinder was seen- why the hell didn’t they swarm Crooks????

Link Posted: 7/16/2024 7:56:33 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By NY12ga:

Once a rangefinder was seen- why the hell didn’t they swarm Crooks????
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Originally Posted By NY12ga:
Originally Posted By apierce918:

Supposedly he ranges it they snapped a pic, and then he went to get his shit…

https://www.cbsnews.com/live-updates/trump-shooting-statement-joe-biden-updates/

Three snipers were stationed inside building used in Trump assassination attempt
There were three snipers stationed inside the building the shooter used during Saturday's shooting of former President Donald Trump, a local law enforcement officer with direct knowledge of the incident tells CBS News.

The operations plan had them stationed inside the building looking out windows toward the Trump rally. The information about the three snipers being inside the building was first reported by BeaverCountian.com.

One of the snipers inside saw Thomas Matthew Crooks outside and looking up at the roof, observing the building and disappearing, a local law enforcement officer tells CBS News.

Crooks came back, sat down and looked at his phone. At that point, one of the snipers took a picture of him. Crooks took out a rangefinder and the sniper radioed to the command post. Crooks disappeared again and then came back a third time with a backpack. The snipers called in with information that he had a backpack and said he was walking towards the back of the building.

Officers believe that Crooks might have used an air conditioning unit to get on top of the roof.

By the time other officers came for backup, he had climbed on top of the building and was positioned above and behind the snipers inside the building, the officer said.

Two other officers who heard the sniper's call tried to get onto the roof. State police started rushing to the scene, but by that time, a Secret Service sniper had already killed Crooks, the officer said.


Once a rangefinder was seen- why the hell didn’t they swarm Crooks????


OODA loop should have been micro-seconds on that.
Link Posted: 7/16/2024 7:57:20 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By d16man:

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Link Posted: 7/16/2024 7:57:54 AM EDT
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As I said way earlier in the thread when incompetence is a possible answer it's usually the correct one.
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Originally Posted By AlexAdams43:

You don’t know if the bolder text is correct.
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Originally Posted By diesel1:
Originally Posted By bulldog1967:
Originally Posted By glock27bill:
Dunno if this has been posted before.  Thirty seven minute interview with Erik Prince (Blackwater founder) by Patrick Bet-David.  Prince says that the Secret Service snipers have a Don't Shoot First policy!  

So much WTF, but Prince stops short of saying what we're all thinking.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dxpJnUWHxds


Bongino, who WAS SS, says that is bullshit.



ROE that Bongino worked under may have changed under the current woke admin. Bongino and Prince may both be correct, just different time frames.

There's also the possibility that the SS CS's had to de-conflict before shooting due to the fact that there were supposed to be local LE on that roof.

You don’t know if the bolder text is correct.


Multiple reports that the SS identified that building and assigned local LE to secure it. And reports the local LE "secured" the building from the inside due to the hot weather.

We don't "know" if anything is correct in all of this but the reports are credible.
Link Posted: 7/16/2024 8:02:43 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By Logcutter:


Why should anyone simply take your word for that?
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Originally Posted By xviperx420:


And yet here we are. It. Was. Not. An. Inside. Job. For fucks sake people.


Why should anyone simply take your word for that?



Who are you going to believe, the evidence or some random guy on the internet?

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Link Posted: 7/16/2024 8:07:16 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By Panta_Rei:


Mostly agree, but donating political $ as a teen suggests hyper views and probably anger and no future cares.  It's sad b/c there are a lot his age without a clear head and little conscious.  This also shows just how bad the country is in decline.  There is no excuse for security to be that bad.
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Originally Posted By triburst1:
IMO, this probably had little to do with Trump and likely just another suicidal weak-ass beta incel loser who wanted to die in infamy.


Mostly agree, but donating political $ as a teen suggests hyper views and probably anger and no future cares.  It's sad b/c there are a lot his age without a clear head and little conscious.  This also shows just how bad the country is in decline.  There is no excuse for security to be that bad.

Both are likely true at the same time.
Link Posted: 7/16/2024 8:08:16 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By Coffin-Nail:
As I said way earlier in the thread when incompetence is a possible answer it's usually the correct one.
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If so, the stack of coincidental incompetencies surrounding this event is quite impressive.  
Link Posted: 7/16/2024 8:11:25 AM EDT
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Who are you going to believe, the evidence or some random guy on the internet?

https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/17974/1000012543_jpg-3268244.JPG
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Because I always trust the "evidence" "presented to us" by the "authorities".
Link Posted: 7/16/2024 8:17:47 AM EDT
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"Come out of the heat, coffee and donuts inside boys!"
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Originally Posted By FlashMan-7k:

Reports are they were assigned to be on the roof of that building but went inside because ... " its tooo hooooot whaaaa "



"Come out of the heat, coffee and donuts inside boys!"

And yet the other teams with black clothing remained in place on the roofs .

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What the fuck
Link Posted: 7/16/2024 8:21:37 AM EDT
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You have got to be fucking kidding me.  No coincidences for sure.
Link Posted: 7/16/2024 8:24:04 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By sanman28:



This is the same govt that has/had nearly every mass shooter on some kind of radar too.  They aren’t going to anything more than the bare minimum.  Unfortunately for us, that means people will die.  This entire govt needs to be dissolved.  Built again according to the constitution.
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YOu have to eliminate the Marxian dialectical thought processes permeating all of the bureaucratic institutions of America today. DEI is a runaway train (with no one in the locomotive cab). Victim/victimizer-driven insanity running towards the dynamited bridge of eventual reality.



no accountability


30% more hires

Link Posted: 7/16/2024 8:25:14 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By WDEagle:

I see her now.  Wonder why they have a different crew tonight.
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Originally Posted By Riply21:
watch closer at the second half of the video tail end of the detail turns to work the crowd black woman with 72 pounds of hair.

I see her now.  Wonder why they have a different crew tonight.


Mentioned much earlier that some of the rally detail may have been loaned-out DHS people. Way fucked up IMO that the short chubs are in either org.
Link Posted: 7/16/2024 8:26:23 AM EDT
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It is simply not believable that the kid had NO online presence.
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Originally Posted By Hadrian:
It is simply not believable that the kid had NO online presence.
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Scrub a dub dub!
Link Posted: 7/16/2024 8:32:15 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By Nutro:


Probably rented it.
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Originally Posted By ferchmn:

They found his van and it had Arizona plates apparently.  Could have been home for the summer or since he was employed more likely he got kicked out of school recently?


ASU has a student directory that can be accessed by students or staff.


Probably rented it.

Next to impossible to rent a vehicle at 20 yo.
Link Posted: 7/16/2024 8:35:28 AM EDT
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Like with a cloth?
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Originally Posted By Mr_Nasty99:

Next to impossible to rent a vehicle at 20 yo.
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Originally Posted By Nutro:
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Originally Posted By ferchmn:

They found his van and it had Arizona plates apparently.  Could have been home for the summer or since he was employed more likely he got kicked out of school recently?


ASU has a student directory that can be accessed by students or staff.


Probably rented it.

Next to impossible to rent a vehicle at 20 yo.



IIRC, the AZ van was found to have been stolen in AZ and possibly used to transport illegals. I have not seen any mention of the actual vehicle used by Crooks.
Link Posted: 7/16/2024 8:38:40 AM EDT
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Stream of consciousness. He was in the zone. He just showed up. Looked around and made adjustments.



As someone said earlier, he Forrest Gump'd his way to the very end.
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Originally Posted By Hadrian:
It is simply not believable that the kid had NO online presence.
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While not common, it’s definitely plausible. He was constantly bullied and didn’t have friends.

I know people with nothing more than a LinkedIn account.
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Read that his father was a hardcore democrat.

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Leftists loves guns. Just not for everyone.
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Originally Posted By diesel1:



IIRC, the AZ van was found to have been stolen in AZ and possibly used to transport illegals. I have not seen any mention of the actual vehicle used by Crooks.
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Originally Posted By Mr_Nasty99:
Originally Posted By Nutro:
Originally Posted By only1asterisk:
Originally Posted By ferchmn:

They found his van and it had Arizona plates apparently.  Could have been home for the summer or since he was employed more likely he got kicked out of school recently?


ASU has a student directory that can be accessed by students or staff.


Probably rented it.

Next to impossible to rent a vehicle at 20 yo.



IIRC, the AZ van was found to have been stolen in AZ and possibly used to transport illegals. I have not seen any mention of the actual vehicle used by Crooks.

I couldn’t find anything on it yesterday. I just remember them saying ‘a van with out of state tags’ and they found explosive material in there.
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WTF good are snipers inside the building...
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Originally Posted By Kihn:



Leftists loves guns. Just not for everyone.
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Originally Posted By MyName1sMud:


Read that his father was a hardcore democrat.

something doesnt math



Leftists loves guns. Just not for everyone.

I know plenty of hardcore hunters and shooters that are hardcore democrats.
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Originally Posted By C-4:


@Captain_Morgan

Reminds me of this.  Only Trump turning his head at the last fraction of a second saved him.

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Originally Posted By Captain_Morgan:
One thing I haven't seen verified is what time he had initial contact with security personnel at the event entrance. It was reported that he was initially identified as person of interest/suspicious person/something like that. What time was that? Where was that?

I’m starting to think that the roof was simply a position of opportunity after scoping out other parts of the perimeter. Just so happened that his best position of opportunity was the #1 spot that should have been covered but wasn’t.


@Captain_Morgan

Reminds me of this.  Only Trump turning his head at the last fraction of a second saved him.

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Absolutely. I’ve shared a similar picture with others showing the swiss cheese analogy. Fairly common visual tool when discussing industrial or medical accidents.
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Originally Posted By Orion10182011:


WTF good are snipers inside the building...
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The best way to make sure the officers get home safe is by having them sit inside in the AC with their thumbs in each others asses.
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You have to make them suffer for a long time first.
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Originally Posted By xviperx420:


Nothing to do with clout. I'll post about it WHEN I can. Thats all.
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Originally Posted By GrinningDag:
Originally Posted By LeadBreakfast:

Enlightening us would be fer easier than continuous, repetitive posts, just sayin...


Just ignore him.

"I know stuff but I won't tell you" is a classic post by people that want to boost their social clout.



Nothing to do with clout. I'll post about it WHEN I can. Thats all.


I believe you. I’m also in the camp of “not a conspiracy but an incredible concurrence of negligent and inept behaviors”.

Please @ me when you post your piece.
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Radio saying the ladder belonged to the local LE team and they left it in place and went inside.
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Originally Posted By giantpune:

The best way to make sure the officers get home safe is by having them sit inside in the AC with their thumbs in each others asses.
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Originally Posted By Orion10182011:


WTF good are snipers inside the building...

The best way to make sure the officers get home safe is by having them sit inside in the AC with their thumbs in each others asses.


1. I think the person writing the article is calling anyone with a gun "sniper".

2. I think local PD were playing grab ass on their easy OT gig.  "nothings going to happen"...
Link Posted: 7/16/2024 8:51:05 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By Mr_Nasty99:

I know plenty of hardcore hunters and shooters that are hardcore democrats.
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Originally Posted By MyName1sMud:


Read that his father was a hardcore democrat.

something doesnt math



Leftists loves guns. Just not for everyone.

I know plenty of hardcore hunters and shooters that are hardcore democrats.


Yes. It's a multiple personality condition like (supposedly) hardcore business people pushing DEI. And they don't seem to have any realization that one "channel" conflcts with another.
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