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Posted: 7/16/2024 8:54:52 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By NwG: Radio saying the ladder belonged to the local LE team and they left it in place and went inside. It that's true they should be surgically castrated to ensure their defective genes have no more opportunity to swim in the pool. |
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Posted: 7/16/2024 8:55:13 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Mr_Nasty99: I know plenty of hardcore hunters and shooters that are hardcore democrats. It's weird to talk to them. Justifying their ownership while wanting to deny you yours. |
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CT, USA
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Posted: 7/16/2024 8:57:55 AM EDT
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Cheatle told ABC News her first reaction to the shooting was "shock."
The director acknowledged the incident never should have happened and confirmed that the shooter, Thomas Matthew Crooks, had been identified as a person of interest. But by the time Crooks was located, it was too late to stop his bullets. "The shooter was actually identified as a potential person of suspicion," she said. "Unfortunately, with the rapid succession of how things unfolded, by the time that individual was eventually located, they were on the rooftop and were able to fire off at the former president." Cheatle told ABC News her first reaction to the shooting was "shock." She also said the Secret Service was aware of the security vulnerabilities presented by the building Crooks took a sniper's position on to aim at Trump. However, a decision was made not to place any personnel on the roof. "That building in particular has a sloped roof at its highest point. And so, you know, there's a safety factor that would be considered there that we wouldn't want to put somebody up on a sloped roof. And so, you know, the decision was made to secure the building, from inside." Fox News' Tamara Gitt contributed to this update |
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Posted: 7/16/2024 9:00:36 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ranging-by-zipcode: Cheatle told ABC News her first reaction to the shooting was "shock." The director acknowledged the incident never should have happened and confirmed that the shooter, Thomas Matthew Crooks, had been identified as a person of interest. But by the time Crooks was located, it was too late to stop his bullets. "The shooter was actually identified as a potential person of suspicion," she said. "Unfortunately, with the rapid succession of how things unfolded, by the time that individual was eventually located, they were on the rooftop and were able to fire off at the former president." Cheatle told ABC News her first reaction to the shooting was "shock." She also said the Secret Service was aware of the security vulnerabilities presented by the building Crooks took a sniper's position on to aim at Trump. However, a decision was made not to place any personnel on the roof. "That building in particular has a sloped roof at its highest point. And so, you know, there's a safety factor that would be considered there that we wouldn't want to put somebody up on a sloped roof. And so, you know, the decision was made to secure the building, from inside." Fox News' Tamara Gitt contributed to this update She is going to be downright offended at the implication that her 'incompetence' had anything to do with it. And resent the sexism that goes along with that. |
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Posted: 7/16/2024 9:00:52 AM EDT
[Last Edit: PhuzzyGnu]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ranging-by-zipcode: "That building in particular has a sloped roof at its highest point. And so, you know, there's a safety factor that would be considered there that we wouldn't want to put somebody up on a sloped roof. And so, you know, the decision was made to secure the building, from inside." Uh... The other sniper teams were on roofs with more slope. |
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Posted: 7/16/2024 9:01:22 AM EDT
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Nothing we don't already know, but it's not an hour long video, the guy is pretty much to the point.
 HOW DID NO ONE SEE THIS?!?! |
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Posted: 7/16/2024 9:02:12 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By giantpune: The best way to make sure the officers get home safe is by having them sit inside in the AC with their thumbs in each others asses. |
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Posted: 7/16/2024 9:02:39 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By NwG: Radio saying the ladder belonged to the local LE team and they left it in place and went inside. |
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CT, USA
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Posted: 7/16/2024 9:03:19 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By PhuzzyGnu: Uh... The other sniper teams were on roofs with more slope. Of course her excuses are bullshit She should be fired today |
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Posted: 7/16/2024 9:05:21 AM EDT
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CT, USA
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Posted: 7/16/2024 9:08:45 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Kihn: She is going to be downright offended at the implication that her 'incompetence' had anything to do with it. And resent the sexism that goes along with that. Another thing is this statement "Unfortunately, with the rapid succession of how things unfolded " There was literally over a half hour of Crooks being under suspicion where he was first watched up to including using a range finder and taking pics of building |
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Posted: 7/16/2024 9:09:44 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ranging-by-zipcode: Cheatle told ABC News her first reaction to the shooting was "shock." The director acknowledged the incident never should have happened and confirmed that the shooter, Thomas Matthew Crooks, had been identified as a person of interest. But by the time Crooks was located, it was too late to stop his bullets. "The shooter was actually identified as a potential person of suspicion," she said. "Unfortunately, with the rapid succession of how things unfolded, by the time that individual was eventually located, they were on the rooftop and were able to fire off at the former president." Cheatle told ABC News her first reaction to the shooting was "shock." She also said the Secret Service was aware of the security vulnerabilities presented by the building Crooks took a sniper's position on to aim at Trump. However, a decision was made not to place any personnel on the roof. "That building in particular has a sloped roof at its highest point. And so, you know, there's a safety factor that would be considered there that we wouldn't want to put somebody up on a sloped roof. And so, you know, the decision was made to secure the building, from inside." Fox News' Tamara Gitt contributed to this update Ok, so local swat can be defeated by a slight incline, noted |
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Posted: 7/16/2024 9:10:20 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Equestrian: So they saw a guy -acting suspiciously -using a range finder -scouting the roof And decided to play radio tag instead questioning him? Every week there's a story of police going hardo and jamming someone up over nothing and for this event they put the barney fife crew on staff chilling in the ac because it was hot on the roof? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Equestrian: Originally Posted By apierce918: Originally Posted By Pesty: Thread moves fast has this been covered yet? It just keeps getting worse "According to multiple sources, a law enforcement officer had also previously seen Crooks on the ground and called him in as a suspicious person with a picture prior to 5:45 p.m. Our sources tell us an officer checked the grounds for Crooks at that point, but did not see him where the first picture was taken. 26 minutes after the second picture of Crooks was taken by law enforcement and the information called in, shots were fired from the roof of the American Glass Research building. Seconds later, a Secret Service sniper returned fire" https://www.wpxi.com/news/local/alleged-trump-shooter-spotted-by-law-enforcement-nearly-30-minutes-before-shots-fired-sources-say/Q6GIK5RP6RBY5PHIMYBNXRTEBI/ https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/398238/IMG_9060_jpeg-3268191.JPG Supposedly he ranges it they snapped a pic, and then he went to get his shit https://www.cbsnews.com/live-updates/trump-shooting-statement-joe-biden-updates/ Three snipers were stationed inside building used in Trump assassination attempt There were three snipers stationed inside the building the shooter used during Saturday's shooting of former President Donald Trump, a local law enforcement officer with direct knowledge of the incident tells CBS News. The operations plan had them stationed inside the building looking out windows toward the Trump rally. The information about the three snipers being inside the building was first reported by BeaverCountian.com. One of the snipers inside saw Thomas Matthew Crooks outside and looking up at the roof, observing the building and disappearing, a local law enforcement officer tells CBS News. Crooks came back, sat down and looked at his phone. At that point, one of the snipers took a picture of him. Crooks took out a rangefinder and the sniper radioed to the command post. Crooks disappeared again and then came back a third time with a backpack. The snipers called in with information that he had a backpack and said he was walking towards the back of the building. Officers believe that Crooks might have used an air conditioning unit to get on top of the roof. By the time other officers came for backup, he had climbed on top of the building and was positioned above and behind the snipers inside the building, the officer said. Two other officers who heard the sniper's call tried to get onto the roof. State police started rushing to the scene, but by that time, a Secret Service sniper had already killed Crooks, the officer said. So they saw a guy -acting suspiciously -using a range finder -scouting the roof And decided to play radio tag instead questioning him? Every week there's a story of police going hardo and jamming someone up over nothing and for this event they put the barney fife crew on staff chilling in the ac because it was hot on the roof? Climbing up on a roof to range the president then setting up with a rifle 140 yards away though? Ain't nobody gots time for dat. |
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KY, USA
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Posted: 7/16/2024 9:10:26 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By colklink: Who are you going to believe, the evidence or some random guy on the internet? https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/17974/1000012543_jpg-3268244.JPG It takes a special kind of mental gymnastics to use one of the most famous quotes ever about not trusting government or the official story, to try and argue the point that everyone should trust the government and the official story. |
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Posted: 7/16/2024 9:11:51 AM EDT
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The more that comes out, the less this seems like a coincidence. Spotted beforehand, supposed ladder left to the roof, literally nobody watching his approach point, officers INSIDE THE DAMN BUILDING HE FIRED FROM!
Is Crooks just the luckiest motherfucker on the planet to show up with a rifle and the conditions just happened to be perfect for him to access a roof with concealment from the sniper teams and a clear line of sight for a chip shot at a former POTUS and presumptive nominee? It's getting hard to believe this was all just incompetence and a shooter randomly picked the day when the incompetence was on full display. |
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Posted: 7/16/2024 9:12:39 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By xviperx420: Nothing to do with clout. I'll post about it WHEN I can. Thats all. People who have information, just post it, they don't clickbait tease horsechit for attention. By all means, get on more ignore lists with absolute distain in the comments field while you pretend to have information we'll be interested in some more. That will SURELY help us all think you are the cool guy in the end.  |
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Posted: 7/16/2024 9:15:03 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ranging-by-zipcode: Cheatle told ABC News her first reaction to the shooting was "shock." The director acknowledged the incident never should have happened and confirmed that the shooter, Thomas Matthew Crooks, had been identified as a person of interest. But by the time Crooks was located, it was too late to stop his bullets. "The shooter was actually identified as a potential person of suspicion," she said. "Unfortunately, with the rapid succession of how things unfolded, by the time that individual was eventually located, they were on the rooftop and were able to fire off at the former president." Cheatle told ABC News her first reaction to the shooting was "shock." She also said the Secret Service was aware of the security vulnerabilities presented by the building Crooks took a sniper's position on to aim at Trump. However, a decision was made not to place any personnel on the roof. "That building in particular has a sloped roof at its highest point. And so, you know, there's a safety factor that would be considered there that we wouldn't want to put somebody up on a sloped roof. And so, you know, the decision was made to secure the building, from inside." Fox News' Tamara Gitt contributed to this update All that horseshit aside, she failed catastrophically at the one duty her agency exists for. Period. Keeping her in that position in unacceptable. |
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Posted: 7/16/2024 9:15:18 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By midmo: If so, the stack of coincidental incompetencies surrounding this event is quite impressive.  Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By midmo: Originally Posted By Coffin-Nail: As I said way earlier in the thread when incompetence is a possible answer it's usually the correct one. If so, the stack of coincidental incompetencies surrounding this event is quite impressive. How do you explain a conspiracy that involves multiple state, fed, local organizations, and others and expect all of them to keep quite and have a consistent narrative? We've seen none of that, what we're seeing is a constantly changing story with everyone involved trying to be the last one to hold the hot potato of blame. |
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Posted: 7/16/2024 9:15:22 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Cypher214: The more that comes out, the less this seems like a coincidence. Spotted beforehand, supposed ladder left to the roof, literally nobody watching his approach point, officers INSIDE THE DAMN BUILDING HE FIRED FROM! Is Crooks just the luckiest motherfucker on the planet to show up with a rifle and the conditions just happened to be perfect for him to access a roof with concealment from the sniper teams and a clear line of sight for a chip shot at a former POTUS and presumptive nominee? It's getting hard to believe this was all just incompetence and a shooter randomly picked the day when the incompetence was on full display. While I don't like it and would be completely unsurprised if there was foul play afoot, I'm also totally able to believe the universal rule:people are idiots. |
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CT, USA
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Posted: 7/16/2024 9:17:15 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Cypher214: The more that comes out, the less this seems like a coincidence. Spotted beforehand, supposed ladder left to the roof, literally nobody watching his approach point, officers INSIDE THE DAMN BUILDING HE FIRED FROM! Is Crooks just the luckiest motherfucker on the planet to show up with a rifle and the conditions just happened to be perfect for him to access a roof with concealment from the sniper teams and a clear line of sight for a chip shot at a former POTUS and presumptive nominee? It's getting hard to believe this was all just incompetence and a shooter randomly picked the day when the incompetence was on full display. To instruct the counter snipers to remain in building by her DEPT because of a very slight incline on the roof which had a clear line of sight to the stage ? what the fuck ................. |
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Posted: 7/16/2024 9:21:46 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ranging-by-zipcode: Another thing is this statement "Unfortunately, with the rapid succession of how things unfolded " There was literally over a half hour of Crooks being under suspicion where he was first watched up to including using a range finder and taking pics of building Time perception is different for subjective realists than it is for objective realists. |
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Posted: 7/16/2024 9:23:49 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Kihn: She is going to be downright offended at the implication that her 'incompetence' had anything to do with it. And resent the sexism that goes along with that. Women barely ever take responsibility for anything that happens in their personal lives. Why should we expect any different in their professional ones? |
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Posted: 7/16/2024 9:25:59 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Equestrian: While I don't like it and would be completely unsurprised if there was foul play afoot, I'm also totally able to believe the universal rule:people are idiots. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Equestrian: Originally Posted By Cypher214: The more that comes out, the less this seems like a coincidence. Spotted beforehand, supposed ladder left to the roof, literally nobody watching his approach point, officers INSIDE THE DAMN BUILDING HE FIRED FROM! Is Crooks just the luckiest motherfucker on the planet to show up with a rifle and the conditions just happened to be perfect for him to access a roof with concealment from the sniper teams and a clear line of sight for a chip shot at a former POTUS and presumptive nominee? It's getting hard to believe this was all just incompetence and a shooter randomly picked the day when the incompetence was on full display. While I don't like it and would be completely unsurprised if there was foul play afoot, I'm also totally able to believe the universal rule:people are idiots. You have to believe everyone is and idiot except the 20 year old that nobody liked. |
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Posted: 7/16/2024 9:28:50 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ranging-by-zipcode: Of course her excuses are bullshit She should be Stop saying this was negligence. If there were dozens of negligent acts from a bunch of different people, it wasn't negligence or idiocy. It was on purpose. |
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Posted: 7/16/2024 9:31:24 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ranging-by-zipcode: Cheatle told ABC News her first reaction to the shooting was "shock." The director acknowledged the incident never should have happened and confirmed that the shooter, Thomas Matthew Crooks, had been identified as a person of interest. But by the time Crooks was located, it was too late to stop his bullets. "The shooter was actually identified as a potential person of suspicion," she said. "Unfortunately, with the rapid succession of how things unfolded, by the time that individual was eventually located, they were on the rooftop and were able to fire off at the former president." Cheatle told ABC News her first reaction to the shooting was "shock." She also said the Secret Service was aware of the security vulnerabilities presented by the building Crooks took a sniper's position on to aim at Trump. However, a decision was made not to place any personnel on the roof. "That building in particular has a sloped roof at its highest point. And so, you know, there's a safety factor that would be considered there that we wouldn't want to put somebody up on a sloped roof. And so, you know, the decision was made to secure the building, from inside." Fox News' Tamara Gitt contributed to this update Calling that statement "disingenuous" would be a compliment. She's covering for local LE incompetence. Classic organizational "circle the wagons". |
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Posted: 7/16/2024 9:33:14 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Equestrian: So they saw a guy -acting suspiciously -using a range finder -scouting the roof And decided to play radio tag instead questioning him? Every week there's a story of police going hardo and jamming someone up over nothing and for this event they put the barney fife crew on staff chilling in the ac because it was hot on the roof? You want the counter snipers to leave their position instead of radioing mobile units to do it? |
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CT, USA
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Posted: 7/16/2024 9:33:23 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Kihn: Time perception is different for subjective realists than it is for objective realists. agree also Earlier in the thread it was suggested that they left their post on that roof because of the heat but they were ordered to remain in the building because of a slight pitch on a roof by her even though she admits it was a security threat The whole thing is very bizarre |
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Posted: 7/16/2024 9:33:52 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ranging-by-zipcode: Cheatle told ABC News her first reaction to the shooting was "shock." The director acknowledged the incident never should have happened and confirmed that the shooter, Thomas Matthew Crooks, had been identified as a person of interest. But by the time Crooks was located, it was too late to stop his bullets. "The shooter was actually identified as a potential person of suspicion," she said. "Unfortunately, with the rapid succession of how things unfolded, by the time that individual was eventually located, they were on the rooftop and were able to fire off at the former president." Cheatle told ABC News her first reaction to the shooting was "shock." She also said the Secret Service was aware of the security vulnerabilities presented by the building Crooks took a sniper's position on to aim at Trump. However, a decision was made not to place any personnel on the roof. "That building in particular has a sloped roof at its highest point. And so, you know, there's a safety factor that would be considered there that we wouldn't want to put somebody up on a sloped roof. And so, you know, the decision was made to secure the building, from inside." Fox News' Tamara Gitt contributed to this update Did she REALLY fuckin say this... So SWAT/SS goes from ziplining down buildings to being afraid of a slight slope in a roof?! She is incompetent. |
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Posted: 7/16/2024 9:34:12 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Mindfull: Is there video of them extracting that round? Because I've never seen a case that was pointed on the end like that unless there was a bullet in it. That looks like a live round in his hand. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Mindfull: Originally Posted By warp_foo: Originally Posted By LordEC911: Here is the picture of boonie hat with brass in hand that he just extracted. https://i.imgur.com/ELdDWhz.jpg Edit- Screenshot I took from this video  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Fo_QS3RESUm Is there video of them extracting that round? Because I've never seen a case that was pointed on the end like that unless there was a bullet in it. That looks like a live round in his hand. m |
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Posted: 7/16/2024 9:34:52 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By tree-hugger: This. Is. Not. An. Inside. Job. /sarcasm Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By tree-hugger: Originally Posted By doc540: 30 minutes of mere coincidences and a dozen "oopsies" by top security men. This. Is. Not. An. Inside. Job. /sarcasm @tree-hugger You're going to be removed from the thread if you are only here to argue with other members. Enough. |
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Posted: 7/16/2024 9:36:46 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ranging-by-zipcode: "That building in particular has a sloped roof at its highest point. And so, you know, there's a safety factor that would be considered there that we wouldn't want to put somebody up on a sloped roof. And so, you know, the decision was made to secure the building, from inside." But they put snipers on two other sloped roofs. |
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CT, USA
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Posted: 7/16/2024 9:37:03 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Coffin-Nail: How do you explain a conspiracy that involves multiple state, fed, local organizations, and others and expect all of them to keep quite and have a consistent narrative? We've seen none of that, what we're seeing is a constantly changing story with everyone involved trying to be the last one to hold the hot potato of blame. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Coffin-Nail: Originally Posted By midmo: Originally Posted By Coffin-Nail: As I said way earlier in the thread when incompetence is a possible answer it's usually the correct one. If so, the stack of coincidental incompetencies surrounding this event is quite impressive. How do you explain a conspiracy that involves multiple state, fed, local organizations, and others and expect all of them to keep quite and have a consistent narrative? We've seen none of that, what we're seeing is a constantly changing story with everyone involved trying to be the last one to hold the hot potato of blame. The conspiracy doesn't have to involve everyone, it can be one guy that nudges one hole in the swiss cheese to allow everything to line up. It can be as simple as a CIA agent pulling some denied visas out of the garbage can and getting them approved, then letting things happen. It could be as simple as massive incompetence. It could also be that people nudged things at different levels to take advantage of that incompetence. Saying it would have to be a massive conspiracy, or pushing crazy theories only helps to cover up for the actual bad actors. |
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PA, USA
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Posted: 7/16/2024 9:37:11 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Kingdead: Probably not. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Kingdead: Originally Posted By -SkyRaider-: Was this the first counter-sniper engagement on US soil in modern history? In 1949 or '50 I believe a mortally wounded Secret Service agent saved the life of Truman while guarding the Executive Mansion when the White House was being renovated. Two Puerto Rican terrorists had stormed the mansion and shot the agent which gave them a clear path to Truman who had heard the commotion from the 2nd floor of the structure. Agent returned fire just before he expired killing one or both of the terrorists. The incident marks the only time Secret Service has returned fire (before Butler) as well as the only Secret Service fatality protecting a VIP during an assassination attempt. |
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TX, USA
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Posted: 7/16/2024 9:37:20 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By diesel1: IIRC, the AZ van was found to have been stolen in AZ and possibly used to transport illegals. I have not seen any mention of the actual vehicle used by Crooks. Who drives a stolen vehicle 2,000 miles while transporting illegals from a friendly state to a rural area in the NE where illegals would be more noticeable? |
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Posted: 7/16/2024 9:37:30 AM EDT
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I was on the side of gross incompetence at first. Everything COULD be explained by that, except for one thing.
Let's say that everything that lead up to him firing the shot was incompetence. Not even a lunatic would think they would be able to get into position like that at that type of event, especially with a rifle. Not only did he do just that, but he just so happened to pick the building that had line of sight AND the only one to have an unintentional security gap. Yeah. That fucking stinks. I can buy incompetence. What I can't buy is this guy being some super assassin that figured this all out. |
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WI, USA
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Posted: 7/16/2024 9:38:19 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Mooseless: Women barely ever take responsibility for anything that happens in their personal lives. Why should we expect any different in their professional ones? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Mooseless: Originally Posted By Kihn: She is going to be downright offended at the implication that her 'incompetence' had anything to do with it. And resent the sexism that goes along with that. Women barely ever take responsibility for anything that happens in their personal lives. Why should we expect any different in their professional ones? And that is why I believe people with certain personality traits should NEVER be in positions of power and responsibility. Not sexist but just a fact that women are more likely than men to have those dis-qualifying traits. |
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Posted: 7/16/2024 9:38:31 AM EDT
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...Orr spoke with “The Jason Rantz Show” on KTTH over the phone for 20 minutes on Sunday afternoon. He said he questioned the official story of a failed assassination attempt because through “my life growing up, I’ve watched World Wrestling.” “Half the world thinks that they’re really wrestlers and, sure, they’re athletic and all that. But they get paid money for cutting themselves on the forehead or the ear or the top of the head. Areas that bleed a lot and with very little damage,” Orr said. Orr wasn’t just relying on his childhood watching fake wrestling that had him asking questions. “They’re acting like it’s a bad thing that I even would think such a thing,” Orr explained. “I only thought that because of the history of Trump lying and grandstanding and not being very honest.” Orr also said when he saw the video of Trump grabbing his ear after being shot, it didn’t look genuine. “The whole way he did it, just made it seem like it wasn’t exactly real,” Orr explained. The mayor doesn’t question the fact that a gun was fired. But he said, “I don’t think that it was actually fired at him (Trump).” |
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Posted: 7/16/2024 9:38:59 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By PhuzzyGnu: Uh... The other sniper teams were on roofs with more slope. Yep, that’s the dumbest thing she could say, even if that was their thought process with millions seeing the sniper teams on similar roofs. She’s toast. |
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Posted: 7/16/2024 9:39:19 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Drumbic: Did she REALLY fuckin say this... So SWAT/SS goes from ziplining down buildings to being afraid of a slight slope in a roof?! She is incompetent. |
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Posted: 7/16/2024 9:39:24 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TaskForce: This makes sense. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TaskForce: Originally Posted By Rebel31:
https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/381696/20240715_214334473_iOS_png-3267711.JPG This makes sense. Yup. Everybody focusing on that zoomed in video of the north barn CST thinking they had fired shots ... I saw nothing in that video indicative of them taking any shots, or having an visual ID on anything, just consternation, if not outright panic - a reported gunman they can't see because of trees, a gunman where a local LE marksman team was supposed to be, on the roof of the local LE staging building, police cars in the parking lot, police coming in and out of the building ... and that's where this unseen (to them) shooter is said to be ... and then rifle fire from that direction ... and nothing, nothing those two could do about it. Fuck. |
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USA
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Posted: 7/16/2024 9:40:07 AM EDT
[#41]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Mooseless: Women barely ever take responsibility for anything that happens in their personal lives. Why should we expect any different in their professional ones? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Mooseless: Originally Posted By Kihn: She is going to be downright offended at the implication that her 'incompetence' had anything to do with it. And resent the sexism that goes along with that. Women barely ever take responsibility for anything that happens in their personal lives. Why should we expect any different in their professional ones? Bro that's a really silly idea. Plenty of men do it that too. These are just humans. |
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CT, USA
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Posted: 7/16/2024 9:40:52 AM EDT
[#42]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Drumbic: Did she REALLY fuckin say this... So SWAT/SS goes from ziplining down buildings to being afraid of a slight slope in a roof?! She is incompetent. They had to follow her directions . She admits this was her call How she can finish out the rest of the day without being fired is telling of the security the Biden administration decided to have for Trump that day . |
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CT, USA
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Posted: 7/16/2024 9:41:34 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By HRJ: But they put snipers on two other sloped roofs. read between the lines |
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USA
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Posted: 7/16/2024 9:41:41 AM EDT
[#44]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By BMSMB: You want the counter snipers to leave their position instead of radioing mobile units to do it? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By BMSMB: Originally Posted By Equestrian: So they saw a guy -acting suspiciously -using a range finder -scouting the roof And decided to play radio tag instead questioning him? Every week there's a story of police going hardo and jamming someone up over nothing and for this event they put the barney fife crew on staff chilling in the ac because it was hot on the roof? You want the counter snipers to leave their position instead of radioing mobile units to do it? Yes. Obviously hindsight is 20/20. |
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WI, USA
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Posted: 7/16/2024 9:43:47 AM EDT
[#45]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By PetroAggie07: Who drives a stolen vehicle 2,000 miles while transporting illegals from a friendly state to a rural area in the NE where illegals would be more noticeable? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By PetroAggie07: Originally Posted By diesel1: IIRC, the AZ van was found to have been stolen in AZ and possibly used to transport illegals. I have not seen any mention of the actual vehicle used by Crooks. Who drives a stolen vehicle 2,000 miles while transporting illegals from a friendly state to a rural area in the NE where illegals would be more noticeable? "Every state is a border state now." Here in WI, a college town of 4K population got 800 migrants over the past couple of years. "Noticeable", LOL! They know the local cops can't do anything regarding their immigration status. And they may be "legal" in the sense that they were given a court date for an asylum hearing, years down the road if at all. |
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Posted: 7/16/2024 9:44:05 AM EDT
[#46]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Herc: The conspiracy doesn't have to involve everyone, it can be one guy that nudges one hole in the swiss cheese to allow everything to line up. It can be as simple as a CIA agent pulling some denied visas out of the garbage can and getting them approved, then letting things happen. It could be as simple as massive incompetence. It could also be that people nudged things at different levels to take advantage of that incompetence. Saying it would have to be a massive conspiracy, or pushing crazy theories only helps to cover up for the actual bad actors. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Herc: Originally Posted By Coffin-Nail: Originally Posted By midmo: Originally Posted By Coffin-Nail: As I said way earlier in the thread when incompetence is a possible answer it's usually the correct one. If so, the stack of coincidental incompetencies surrounding this event is quite impressive. How do you explain a conspiracy that involves multiple state, fed, local organizations, and others and expect all of them to keep quite and have a consistent narrative? We've seen none of that, what we're seeing is a constantly changing story with everyone involved trying to be the last one to hold the hot potato of blame. The conspiracy doesn't have to involve everyone, it can be one guy that nudges one hole in the swiss cheese to allow everything to line up. It can be as simple as a CIA agent pulling some denied visas out of the garbage can and getting them approved, then letting things happen. It could be as simple as massive incompetence. It could also be that people nudged things at different levels to take advantage of that incompetence. Saying it would have to be a massive conspiracy, or pushing crazy theories only helps to cover up for the actual bad actors. In this day and age everything is a conspiracy to some people, especially here, so any of that conjecture is meaningless. Without some real evidence I'm sticking with incompetence, especially when you have DEI hires in charge. |
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TX, USA
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Posted: 7/16/2024 9:45:50 AM EDT
[#47]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ranging-by-zipcode: Cheatle told ABC News her first reaction to the shooting was "shock." The director acknowledged the incident never should have happened and confirmed that the shooter, Thomas Matthew Crooks, had been identified as a person of interest. But by the time Crooks was located, it was too late to stop his bullets. "The shooter was actually identified as a potential person of suspicion," she said. "Unfortunately, with the rapid succession of how things unfolded, by the time that individual was eventually located, they were on the rooftop and were able to fire off at the former president." Cheatle told ABC News her first reaction to the shooting was "shock." She also said the Secret Service was aware of the security vulnerabilities presented by the building Crooks took a sniper's position on to aim at Trump. However, a decision was made not to place any personnel on the roof. "That building in particular has a sloped roof at its highest point. And so, you know, there's a safety factor that would be considered there that we wouldn't want to put somebody up on a sloped roof. And so, you know, the decision was made to secure the building, from inside." Fox News' Tamara Gitt contributed to this update The other sniper teams were on sloped roofs. |
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Posted: 7/16/2024 9:46:15 AM EDT
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Posted: 7/16/2024 9:48:33 AM EDT
[#49]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By C-4: @Alacran Someone will have to fall on their sword and it won’t be the USSS director.  She will sound like Alec Baldwin: https://www.tiktok.com/@raffleworthy/video/7237254110020504878 Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By C-4: Originally Posted By Alacran: Originally Posted By -Ascent-: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/163367/IMG_1841_png-3267510.JPG Local police chief will lose his job but not the USSS director.  @Alacran Someone will have to fall on their sword and it won’t be the USSS director. She will sound like Alec Baldwin: https://www.tiktok.com/@raffleworthy/video/7237254110020504878 @C-4 Yep, that’s true for her, countless others in our federal government, corporate executives, and many others in our society as well as two-bit actors. That clip from Alec Baldwin is spot on for so many in this country today.  BREAKING NEWS: Josh Hawley Ruthlessly Grills Boeing CEO, Asks Him Point Blank Why He Hasn't Resigned |
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AR, USA
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Posted: 7/16/2024 9:49:20 AM EDT
[Last Edit: TStick]
[#50]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ranging-by-zipcode: Cheatle told ABC News her first reaction to the shooting was "shock." The director acknowledged the incident never should have happened and confirmed that the shooter, Thomas Matthew Crooks, had been identified as a person of interest. But by the time Crooks was located, it was too late to stop his bullets. "The shooter was actually identified as a potential person of suspicion," she said. "Unfortunately, with the rapid succession of how things unfolded, by the time that individual was eventually located, they were on the rooftop and were able to fire off at the former president." Cheatle told ABC News her first reaction to the shooting was "shock." She also said the Secret Service was aware of the security vulnerabilities presented by the building Crooks took a sniper's position on to aim at Trump. However, a decision was made not to place any personnel on the roof. "That building in particular has a sloped roof at its highest point. And so, you know, there's a safety factor that would be considered there that we wouldn't want to put somebody up on a sloped roof. And so, you know, the decision was made to secure the building, from inside." Fox News' Tamara Gitt contributed to this update this can't be real. If it is, I have some photos to show her from this very thread. |
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