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Originally Posted By giantpune: One thing she's missing is him getting his gun. We dont see him with a gun or a backpack while he's sitting on the concrete or when he's walking around. In the first bodycam footage we saw from the roof, the cop said the backpacks up there were theirs they brought with them. So somehow in that period between when the sniper took his picture and they went to go look for him, he retrieved his AR from somewhere and then shimmied up on the roof. And where did he drop his case or backpack. Presumably, he wasn't dumb enough to walk around open carrying an AR with all the police presence. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By giantpune: Originally Posted By realwar: This shows Crooks sitting on a retaining wall and his most likely way of climbing on the roof minutes before shooting https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jcYGF77ZKpg One thing she's missing is him getting his gun. We dont see him with a gun or a backpack while he's sitting on the concrete or when he's walking around. In the first bodycam footage we saw from the roof, the cop said the backpacks up there were theirs they brought with them. So somehow in that period between when the sniper took his picture and they went to go look for him, he retrieved his AR from somewhere and then shimmied up on the roof. And where did he drop his case or backpack. Presumably, he wasn't dumb enough to walk around open carrying an AR with all the police presence. Good point. He also had a large backpack fully loaded with his bike (also a rolled up mat.) How did he get both backpacks to the location on a bike? |
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Originally Posted By realwar: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lC_ezhAtGts View Quote Did you notice the officer/agent in front of Trump's vehicle at 6:37 in the video. He appears to be on the radio, then walks up closer to the hood and points his rifle into the SUV after Trump was inside. Then he seems to back away while on the radio again. i cannot for the life of me understand why he would point his weapon into the vehicle like that... |
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Originally Posted By giantpune: I thought they determined the bike belonged to a bum not related to the incident. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By giantpune: Originally Posted By Mr_Nasty99: Good point. He also had a large backpack fully loaded with his bike (also a rolled up mat.) How did he get both backpacks to the location on a bike? I thought they determined the bike belonged to a bum not related to the incident. According to the NYPost: The emergency services officer also says a police sniper took photos of Crooks, including of him on a bicycle, according to the footage. “That’s the sniper that sent the original picture and seen him come from the bike and set the bookbag down and then lost sight of him,” the officer tells the apparent Secret Service agent. |
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Originally Posted By sydney7629: Did you notice the officer/agent in front of Trump's vehicle at 6:37 in the video. He appears to be on the radio, then walks up closer to the hood and points his rifle into the SUV after Trump was inside. Then he seems to back away while on the radio again. i cannot for the life of me understand why he would point his weapon into the vehicle like that... View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By sydney7629: Originally Posted By realwar: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lC_ezhAtGts Did you notice the officer/agent in front of Trump's vehicle at 6:37 in the video. He appears to be on the radio, then walks up closer to the hood and points his rifle into the SUV after Trump was inside. Then he seems to back away while on the radio again. i cannot for the life of me understand why he would point his weapon into the vehicle like that... I'm 99.999% certain he's standing to the side and points the rifle to his right of the vehicle. |
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Originally Posted By safe1: No sling? I'd love to see someone shimmy up onto a roof carrying an AR without a sling. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By safe1: Originally Posted By tree-hugger: His own rifle could have been given to him by someone in the building he climbed onto. Anything's possible and I can't rule that out with all the shenanigans coming to light. No sling? I'd love to see someone shimmy up onto a roof carrying an AR without a sling. LOL. With that low of an access point and barely slanted roof?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?! Hold my beer... |
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Originally Posted By Mr_Nasty99: Good point. He also had a large backpack fully loaded with his bike (also a rolled up mat.) How did he get both backpacks to the location on a bike? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By Mr_Nasty99: Originally Posted By giantpune: Originally Posted By realwar: This shows Crooks sitting on a retaining wall and his most likely way of climbing on the roof minutes before shooting https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jcYGF77ZKpg One thing she's missing is him getting his gun. We dont see him with a gun or a backpack while he's sitting on the concrete or when he's walking around. In the first bodycam footage we saw from the roof, the cop said the backpacks up there were theirs they brought with them. So somehow in that period between when the sniper took his picture and they went to go look for him, he retrieved his AR from somewhere and then shimmied up on the roof. And where did he drop his case or backpack. Presumably, he wasn't dumb enough to walk around open carrying an AR with all the police presence. Good point. He also had a large backpack fully loaded with his bike (also a rolled up mat.) How did he get both backpacks to the location on a bike? These could have been staged by other people for a multitude of reasons / strategies. |
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"Some of the greatest dads I've ever seen weren't so much perfect as they were willing to work hard to overcome their failings. Does that make sense?"
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Originally Posted By TinSpinner: What a clusterfuck! More and more it sounds like the Three Stooges were in charge with predictable results. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By TinSpinner: Originally Posted By DaGoose: Grain of salt.
SCOOP: The REAL Reason Trump’s Assassin was not Eliminated on the Rooftop before Firing on Trump This Information comes from a first-hand source of highest credentials. The attached video is a view from the second story window of the AGR building in Butler, Pennsylvania. The rooftop it overlooks is where Crooks fired on Trump. This room was the overwatch view where a Butler County SWAT sniper team was stationed at the direction of the Secret Service for the Trump rally. The Secret Service is responsible for stationing all protective teams for the President. Local and State law enforcement officers go where they’re told. The snipers in this location should have *easily* been able to engage Crooks before he ever came close to scope site of Trump. Yet, Crooks was able to fire that day without anyone engaging from this position. Why? That answer is total and complete incompetence from Secret Service. There was a three man SWAT sniper team located in this position. One member of the team went home early — not sure how this was allowed but it happened. The remaining two snipers positioned in this room were notified that a suspicious individual [Crooks] was lurking outside the building. One team member left his position to investigate, leaving just one sniper with overwatch of the roof. The investigating team member found nothing and in the process of returning to his position realized he had forgotten his access card into the building. The last remaining sniper with overwatch LEFT [!!!] the position to retrieve his team member locked outside. Crooks crawled across the roof and fired on Trump while this fully-equipped sniper nest with a perfect view of Crooks assassin position was left completely UNMANNED. Obvious infuriating questions: - Who was running command that allowed this fatal tactical error? - Who gave the order to abandon post? - How was there not an officer on the roof who could engage Crooks directly? - Why was there not overwatch from the water tower - a far superior position than this? We need a Congressional Select Committee to investigate the Trump Assassination immediately. What a clusterfuck! More and more it sounds like the Three Stooges were in charge with predictable results. The Three Stooges would have done a better job. |
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Earthbag house - like an earthsheltered house, but cheaper and easier to DIY. |
Besides there is an eye witness that clearly said he saw Crookes cross over from the middle building across the hallway mezzanine to the building where he eventually took some shots from. So it is not really clear as to where he actually gained access to the roof or at what point he had possession of the rifle. I saw another building to the rear of the complex that had a low unit next to like a yard shed next to the low roof that would have made the climb very easy. It was quite a ways from where Crookes eventually was killed so it is surprising (interesting) that he would have been able to traverse all of those roofs with out being seen by a lot of the tens of thousands of people at the event, even though most would have been looking away from that location. It only takes a few people yelling to advert everyone's attention to a different point. Like a fight at a stadium often happens. All very odd. Especially the bullet counts etc... I want the body cam footage of the first person to breach that roof line... Don't tell me it was "turned off" If he went down the far side which I believe he did away from the crowd. Wow what a risk of being detected. A whole lotta (wink) luck he had that day. Well until his luck or usefulness ran out.
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Originally Posted By giantpune: I don't think he stashed it ahead of time. His whole chain of events seems like he was winging it. Buying ammo on the way there, buying a ladder from home depot right before the incident, but not even using it. Huh? If you can reach the AC unit and the roof to pull your own body up with your spaghetti arms, then you can easily set a 7lb AR up ahead of you, then climb up. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By giantpune: Originally Posted By doolyd: Seems there was some report he stashed it a day or something before but then I saw the testimony about how he had a collapsible stock and that may be why it went un-noticed. The dude was wearing a t-shirt. He wasn't carrying anything. So yeah, where/when did he stash it? I don't think he stashed it ahead of time. His whole chain of events seems like he was winging it. Buying ammo on the way there, buying a ladder from home depot right before the incident, but not even using it. Originally Posted By safe1: No sling? I'd love to see someone shimmy up onto a roof carrying an AR without a sling. Huh? If you can reach the AC unit and the roof to pull your own body up with your spaghetti arms, then you can easily set a 7lb AR up ahead of you, then climb up. Surprised the AR didn't slide off. That steep-pitched roof "as you know". |
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Originally Posted By Mr_Nasty99: Good point. He also had a large backpack fully loaded with his bike (also a rolled up mat.) How did he get both backpacks to the location on a bike? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By Mr_Nasty99: Originally Posted By giantpune: Originally Posted By realwar: This shows Crooks sitting on a retaining wall and his most likely way of climbing on the roof minutes before shooting https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jcYGF77ZKpg One thing she's missing is him getting his gun. We dont see him with a gun or a backpack while he's sitting on the concrete or when he's walking around. In the first bodycam footage we saw from the roof, the cop said the backpacks up there were theirs they brought with them. So somehow in that period between when the sniper took his picture and they went to go look for him, he retrieved his AR from somewhere and then shimmied up on the roof. And where did he drop his case or backpack. Presumably, he wasn't dumb enough to walk around open carrying an AR with all the police presence. Good point. He also had a large backpack fully loaded with his bike (also a rolled up mat.) How did he get both backpacks to the location on a bike? wasn't he there a few days before flying a drone..?? He could have hid the rifle there the same day |
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A question of etiquette... As i pass ..Do I give you the ass or the crotch..??
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Originally Posted By 6SJ7GT: To them it couldn't be a bullet. This event negates all of their previous reporting on lethal high caliber assault weapon ammo. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By 6SJ7GT: Originally Posted By diesel1: What's with the "FBI says Trump may not have been hit with a bullet" media blitz this week? ETA: I see it was mentioned further up the page here. But WTF? Another "magic bullet" theory"? The concept of a bullet fragmenting in flight was addressed early in this thread and discounted as very unlikely. "Not bullets" that injured 2 and killed 1? Top men, for sure! To them it couldn't be a bullet. This event negates all of their previous reporting on lethal high caliber assault weapon ammo. Was Wray the same dumb fuck that mentioned the possibility of the rifle having a collapsible stock, making it "more concealable"? Even one of the Fox guys explained how an AR can be broken down and re-assembled in seconds. |
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Originally Posted By Castrolr1: wasn't he there a few days before flying a drone..?? He could have hid the rifle there the same day View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By Castrolr1: Originally Posted By Mr_Nasty99: Originally Posted By giantpune: Originally Posted By realwar: This shows Crooks sitting on a retaining wall and his most likely way of climbing on the roof minutes before shooting https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jcYGF77ZKpg One thing she's missing is him getting his gun. We dont see him with a gun or a backpack while he's sitting on the concrete or when he's walking around. In the first bodycam footage we saw from the roof, the cop said the backpacks up there were theirs they brought with them. So somehow in that period between when the sniper took his picture and they went to go look for him, he retrieved his AR from somewhere and then shimmied up on the roof. And where did he drop his case or backpack. Presumably, he wasn't dumb enough to walk around open carrying an AR with all the police presence. Good point. He also had a large backpack fully loaded with his bike (also a rolled up mat.) How did he get both backpacks to the location on a bike? wasn't he there a few days before flying a drone..?? He could have hid the rifle there the same day I thought he was flying the drone the same day as the rally. Wasn't he shooting the rifle at the range the day before? It seems like a huge gamble to leave the gun unattended anywhere near the rally. |
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Originally Posted By Mr_Nasty99: I thought he was flying the drone the same day as the rally. Wasn't he shooting the rifle at the range the day before? It seems like a huge gamble to leave the gun unattended anywhere near the rally. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By Mr_Nasty99: Originally Posted By Castrolr1: Originally Posted By Mr_Nasty99: Originally Posted By giantpune: Originally Posted By realwar: This shows Crooks sitting on a retaining wall and his most likely way of climbing on the roof minutes before shooting https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jcYGF77ZKpg One thing she's missing is him getting his gun. We dont see him with a gun or a backpack while he's sitting on the concrete or when he's walking around. In the first bodycam footage we saw from the roof, the cop said the backpacks up there were theirs they brought with them. So somehow in that period between when the sniper took his picture and they went to go look for him, he retrieved his AR from somewhere and then shimmied up on the roof. And where did he drop his case or backpack. Presumably, he wasn't dumb enough to walk around open carrying an AR with all the police presence. Good point. He also had a large backpack fully loaded with his bike (also a rolled up mat.) How did he get both backpacks to the location on a bike? wasn't he there a few days before flying a drone..?? He could have hid the rifle there the same day I thought he was flying the drone the same day as the rally. Wasn't he shooting the rifle at the range the day before? It seems like a huge gamble to leave the gun unattended anywhere near the rally. Normally i'd agree.... but this is beyond normal incompetence ... so anything is possible. |
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A question of etiquette... As i pass ..Do I give you the ass or the crotch..??
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Originally Posted By 6SJ7GT: FBI investigators wants a "Victim impact statement" from Trump. Severely limiting future campaigning of a presidential candidate opposing your boss is about as big of an impact as you can think of. https://www.foxnews.com/us/fbi-wants-interview-trump-after-assassination-attempt-source ETA: probably going to indict him for lying about getting hit with a bullet after Wray said it was shrapnel. View Quote (BB, of course) |
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Originally Posted By Castrolr1: Normally i'd agree.... but this is beyond normal incompetence ... so anything is possible. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By Castrolr1: Originally Posted By Mr_Nasty99: Originally Posted By Castrolr1: Originally Posted By Mr_Nasty99: Originally Posted By giantpune: Originally Posted By realwar: This shows Crooks sitting on a retaining wall and his most likely way of climbing on the roof minutes before shooting https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jcYGF77ZKpg One thing she's missing is him getting his gun. We dont see him with a gun or a backpack while he's sitting on the concrete or when he's walking around. In the first bodycam footage we saw from the roof, the cop said the backpacks up there were theirs they brought with them. So somehow in that period between when the sniper took his picture and they went to go look for him, he retrieved his AR from somewhere and then shimmied up on the roof. And where did he drop his case or backpack. Presumably, he wasn't dumb enough to walk around open carrying an AR with all the police presence. Good point. He also had a large backpack fully loaded with his bike (also a rolled up mat.) How did he get both backpacks to the location on a bike? wasn't he there a few days before flying a drone..?? He could have hid the rifle there the same day I thought he was flying the drone the same day as the rally. Wasn't he shooting the rifle at the range the day before? It seems like a huge gamble to leave the gun unattended anywhere near the rally. Normally i'd agree.... but this is beyond normal incompetence ... so anything is possible. I believe he could have pulled it off. I just find it hard to believe that he would gamble the entire operation on that one unnecessary risk. The multiple unnecessary risks Crooks took, is the only reason I haven't put the Reynolds Wrap away yet. None of it makes sense. |
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Originally Posted By giantpune: I don't think he stashed it ahead of time. His whole chain of events seems like he was winging it. Buying ammo on the way there, buying a ladder from home depot right before the incident, but not even using it. Huh? If you can reach the AC unit and the roof to pull your own body up with your spaghetti arms, then you can easily set a 7lb AR up ahead of you, then climb up. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By giantpune: Originally Posted By doolyd: Seems there was some report he stashed it a day or something before but then I saw the testimony about how he had a collapsible stock and that may be why it went un-noticed. The dude was wearing a t-shirt. He wasn't carrying anything. So yeah, where/when did he stash it? I don't think he stashed it ahead of time. His whole chain of events seems like he was winging it. Buying ammo on the way there, buying a ladder from home depot right before the incident, but not even using it. Originally Posted By safe1: No sling? I'd love to see someone shimmy up onto a roof carrying an AR without a sling. Huh? If you can reach the AC unit and the roof to pull your own body up with your spaghetti arms, then you can easily set a 7lb AR up ahead of you, then climb up. yep. I seen one pic with copper lines and ducts running from the unit into the building above the first floor ceiling. Looked pretty rasy to climb up on |
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Two weeks later and we still don't have any photos released of the murder weapon.
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Grandfathering weapons only puts off until tomorrow what tyranny cannot accomplish today.
The only people made safer by gun control are criminals and tyrants. |
Originally Posted By Mr_Nasty99: According to the NYPost: View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By Mr_Nasty99: Originally Posted By giantpune: Originally Posted By Mr_Nasty99: Good point. He also had a large backpack fully loaded with his bike (also a rolled up mat.) How did he get both backpacks to the location on a bike? I thought they determined the bike belonged to a bum not related to the incident. According to the NYPost: The emergency services officer also says a police sniper took photos of Crooks, including of him on a bicycle, according to the footage. “That’s the sniper that sent the original picture and seen him come from the bike and set the bookbag down and then lost sight of him,” the officer tells the apparent Secret Service agent. I'm thinking there were 2 bicycles |
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Originally Posted By Bama_Rebel: I'm thinking there were 2 bicycles View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By Bama_Rebel: Originally Posted By Mr_Nasty99: Originally Posted By giantpune: Originally Posted By Mr_Nasty99: Good point. He also had a large backpack fully loaded with his bike (also a rolled up mat.) How did he get both backpacks to the location on a bike? I thought they determined the bike belonged to a bum not related to the incident. According to the NYPost: The emergency services officer also says a police sniper took photos of Crooks, including of him on a bicycle, according to the footage. “That’s the sniper that sent the original picture and seen him come from the bike and set the bookbag down and then lost sight of him,” the officer tells the apparent Secret Service agent. I'm thinking there were 2 bicycles I agree. I remember in the bodycam footage where they debrief the fed in a suit, there seemed to be some confusion about Crooks bike and the hobo with a bike. It still doesn't explain how Crooks got the rifle before the shooting. He's spotted multiple times without a backpack, the backpack at his bike seems to be full and unopened (no room for a rifle,) yet local snipers saw him with a backpack/case. |
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Send lawyers, guns, and money.
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One of the reasons Biden dropped out for Kamala was to replace the media stories.
Its all Harris now. |
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Originally Posted By realwar: No pic of the bomb devices or the drone either. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By realwar: Originally Posted By absael: This is surprising to me; I would have thought they'd jump at the opportunity to say "Look at the evil AR-15 that did this!" No pic of the bomb devices or the drone either. Or any bomb squad neutralizing the explosive devices in multiple locations. Not a photo of a single BearCat on any cell phone or Ring doorbell. |
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Originally Posted By Cycolac: They are inserting their own hypothetical ideas. Absent any accurate official information, that's all any of us can do. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By Cycolac: Originally Posted By nu3gawhat: Seems like a lot of these videos are inserting a lot of their own assumptions and false information. They are inserting their own hypothetical ideas. Absent any accurate official information, that's all any of us can do. ALL media inserts their own hypothetical guesses. The MSM states them as absolute facts and intends their word to be "The Real Narrative". Watch as many different videos as you can, but do not swallow any one analysis wholesale. Sift out the actual absolute facts and mix together information from other videos. Everybody gets some things wrong and makes incorrect assumptions they pass onto the viewer, sometimes by mistake and other times by malice. The MSM is the most guilty of presenting incorrect opinions as "Fact" (often intentionally). We know a guy shot at Trump and that shooter was killed. The rest are details that if you don't want to do your own critical thinking on sifting down to story from the actual given facts and adjust it with new information being released daily, don't bother until the story solidifies into 3 or 4 ideas of how things happened once most of the evidence is in. Try to work with primary sources (police officer statements/body cams, videos, crowd participant reports, maps, etc) instead of what is put out in news releases. Leaks are often more important than other opinions and have a history of being factual to discredit a false narrative being built. Ancillary data is important as well, such as the Blackrock link and other stuff but it isn't really information you must sift through yourself. The internet sleuths are pretty good and will have a quite logical and easy to understand timeline of events laid out with who was involved in a few months. Looking now at information is only important because that information is often deleted quickly, sometime from being inaccurate and other times from being too accurate. We don't know which it is until more is released and it will be months before we have something that fits all the boxes to link the various stories into a factual timeline, instead of "right wing hate monster goes berserk with machine gun at Trump Rally" narrative. IOW, if you want to know what is really going on, you need to put in the work and be able to think critically and work with multiple assumptions and hypothesis at the same time. Eventually the ones that are impossible fall away and a better picture of what happened forms. The more you do this, the easier it gets. It's extremely difficult when all the information you can find is second or third hand from the start. This is an event where we have dozens of primary sources (first hand accounts) and like anything, they don't all agree due to the situation and what they were focused on at any given moment. We have lots of video and audio from different angles which also gives a really good idea of what happened when unaltered and correlated to others. The why and how happened is the very difficult part to sift out yourself. It's a good thing to start practicing the critical thinking skills and as this isn't the last major story for 2024 by a long shot. We'll be drowning in misinformation and leaks nearer election time and after the election. We'll also probably see major stories over the summer of violence/riots as seen in 2015/2016 to paint things as dire and to boost whoever the new candidates are opposing Trump. Lastly, know your neighbors and be on friendly terms if not full agreement. Volunteer at your local poll to be a poll watcher and/or security. That's an area where thinking somebody else will do it bit everybody in the ass in 2020. Don't let Idiocracy become more of a Documentary and use it as a warning instead. |
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The person who complains most, and is the most critical of others has the most to hide.
All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident. |
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Originally Posted By 6SJ7GT: To them it couldn't be a bullet. This event negates all of their previous reporting on lethal high caliber assault weapon ammo. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By 6SJ7GT: Originally Posted By diesel1: What's with the "FBI says Trump may not have been hit with a bullet" media blitz this week? ETA: I see it was mentioned further up the page here. But WTF? Another "magic bullet" theory"? The concept of a bullet fragmenting in flight was addressed early in this thread and discounted as very unlikely. "Not bullets" that injured 2 and killed 1? Top men, for sure! To them it couldn't be a bullet. This event negates all of their previous reporting on lethal high caliber assault weapon ammo. The "not bullet" leaving a trail from bullet trace? Not sure how it was captured, pure luck and high humidity is my only guess. Line in sky 1/3 down in image at right edge of photo. |
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The person who complains most, and is the most critical of others has the most to hide.
All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident. |
WATCH: Complete bodycam footage of police discovering Trump shooter's body Assuming all of you have fired an AR and some of you have dropped a screw on a metal roof. How in the hell are all of the fired brass in a pile near the roof peak? What a load of total bullshit. Whoever staged that is probably directing Disney Star Wars shows. That brass would be in the gutter or way down the roof. |
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Originally Posted By wsix: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zzepkf9iUTk Assuming all of you have fired an AR and some of you have dropped a screw on a metal roof. How in the hell are all of the fired brass in a pile near the roof peak? What a load of total bullshit. Whoever staged that is probably directing Disney Star Wars shows. That brass would be in the gutter or way down the roof. View Quote who said they're in a pile? |
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Is the unblurred helmet cam video out anywhere yet? There is one bit where you can almost get a good look at the rifle but the top edge of the blur obscures it.
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Originally Posted By Mr_Nasty99: I agree. I remember in the bodycam footage where they debrief the fed in a suit, there seemed to be some confusion about Crooks bike and the hobo with a bike. It still doesn't explain how Crooks got the rifle before the shooting. He's spotted multiple times without a backpack, the backpack at his bike seems to be full and unopened (no room for a rifle,) yet local snipers saw him with a backpack/case. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By Mr_Nasty99: Originally Posted By Bama_Rebel: Originally Posted By Mr_Nasty99: Originally Posted By giantpune: Originally Posted By Mr_Nasty99: Good point. He also had a large backpack fully loaded with his bike (also a rolled up mat.) How did he get both backpacks to the location on a bike? I thought they determined the bike belonged to a bum not related to the incident. According to the NYPost: The emergency services officer also says a police sniper took photos of Crooks, including of him on a bicycle, according to the footage. “That’s the sniper that sent the original picture and seen him come from the bike and set the bookbag down and then lost sight of him,” the officer tells the apparent Secret Service agent. I'm thinking there were 2 bicycles I agree. I remember in the bodycam footage where they debrief the fed in a suit, there seemed to be some confusion about Crooks bike and the hobo with a bike. It still doesn't explain how Crooks got the rifle before the shooting. He's spotted multiple times without a backpack, the backpack at his bike seems to be full and unopened (no room for a rifle,) yet local snipers saw him with a backpack/case. How long is a 16" barreled upper assembly? Maybe 24"? And a lower, even with an A2 buttstock, is less than that. 16" rifles will fit in a 34" case so, with the upper and lower separated, could fit in a backpack. |
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Originally Posted By Bama_Rebel: I'm thinking there were 2 bicycles View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By Bama_Rebel: Originally Posted By Mr_Nasty99: Originally Posted By giantpune: Originally Posted By Mr_Nasty99: Good point. He also had a large backpack fully loaded with his bike (also a rolled up mat.) How did he get both backpacks to the location on a bike? I thought they determined the bike belonged to a bum not related to the incident. According to the NYPost: The emergency services officer also says a police sniper took photos of Crooks, including of him on a bicycle, according to the footage. “That’s the sniper that sent the original picture and seen him come from the bike and set the bookbag down and then lost sight of him,” the officer tells the apparent Secret Service agent. I'm thinking there were 2 bicycles I thought Crooks had a car there and that's where they found the "IED's". |
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Originally Posted By wsix: Logic does. The guy saw them at the peak and counted them in 2 seconds. They were all within his direct gaze. He didn't have to look for them. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By wsix: Originally Posted By Chokey: who said they're in a pile? Logic does. The guy saw them at the peak and counted them in 2 seconds. They were all within his direct gaze. He didn't have to look for them. 223/556 casings don't roll straight, so they're going roll against one of the roof ridges that about a foot apart. So they're not going to be spread out like you think they would. |
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Finding the van location
Thomas Crooks (Trump Shooter) Van Location! #trumprally #thomascrooks #update #trump #shooter |
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Originally Posted By Chokey: 223/556 casings don't roll straight, so they're going roll against one of the roof ridges that about a foot apart. So they're not going to be spread out like you think they would. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By Chokey: Originally Posted By wsix: Originally Posted By Chokey: who said they're in a pile? Logic does. The guy saw them at the peak and counted them in 2 seconds. They were all within his direct gaze. He didn't have to look for them. 223/556 casings don't roll straight, so they're going roll against one of the roof ridges that about a foot apart. So they're not going to be spread out like you think they would. Yup. The only thing that will roll uninterrupted all the way down a ridged roof is the drill bit you need for the chimney cap you're working on that just fell out of the cheesy cordless drill chuck. |
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Originally Posted By Chokey: 223/556 casings don't roll straight, so they're going roll against one of the roof ridges that about a foot apart. So they're not going to be spread out like you think they would. View Quote I understand your point. I have installed about 30 roofs like this. A screw is also not a ball and they slide down the roof. It's a 2/12 pitch. One out of five may stay at the top, but all 5? stay at the top? They aren't rolling, they are sliding. I realize you are taking the other side to make me explain myself and I believe I have. |
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When I pause the video, it seems like the bodycammed guy is pointing at 3 separate roof panels when counting out the shell casings, and they were the 3 panels immediately to the right of the shooter.
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"Fiat justitia ruat caelum"
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The shooter’s rifle was broken down and stashed in a black Swiss Gear backpack.
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“It does not take a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority keen on setting brush fires of freedom in the minds of men”
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Originally Posted By diesel1: I thought Crooks had a car there and that's where they found the "IED's". View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By diesel1: Originally Posted By Bama_Rebel: Originally Posted By Mr_Nasty99: Originally Posted By giantpune: Originally Posted By Mr_Nasty99: Good point. He also had a large backpack fully loaded with his bike (also a rolled up mat.) How did he get both backpacks to the location on a bike? I thought they determined the bike belonged to a bum not related to the incident. According to the NYPost: The emergency services officer also says a police sniper took photos of Crooks, including of him on a bicycle, according to the footage. “That’s the sniper that sent the original picture and seen him come from the bike and set the bookbag down and then lost sight of him,” the officer tells the apparent Secret Service agent. I'm thinking there were 2 bicycles I thought Crooks had a car there and that's where they found the "IED's". The IEDs were in the conversion van he drove to the event, he left his car at Home Depot or something. I'm not sure how many times that story changed but there's a bike, a Hyundai Sonata, and a conversion van all reported to be his, along with a ladder (of indeterminate type), drone, laser rangefinder, and a $500 AR with crap sight (Holosun/Eotech/Eotech knockoff) details on sight unclear since it's blurred or cropped or pushed entirely out of frame in videos. The rifle was never seen while he walking around in the hours before, rifle potentially in backpack which he's seen with then without but no details on where he stashed it and if it actually contained the rifle, or if he pre-cached the rifle in an evergreen tree or was literally handed to him by unknown bad actor. It's all so tedious. |
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The person who complains most, and is the most critical of others has the most to hide.
All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident. |
Originally Posted By triburst1: The shooter’s rifle was broken down and stashed in a black Swiss Gear backpack. View Quote Is that a guess (it's a good guess) or do you have a source? I would guess this as well, although it looks like a rifle length upper and that doesn't seem like it would fully fit into the backpack. Depending on how he got to the building, perhaps the upper not being fully in the backpack wouldn't matter. I saw an aerial view of the parking lot after the fact - it was all LEO vehicles with minimal to no general public vehicles, so presumably, he could have easily made it to the base of the building via the parking lot side without anyone noticing a barrel or upper partially sticking out of the backpack. |
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Originally Posted By Castrolr1: wasn't he there a few days before flying a drone..?? He could have hid the rifle there the same day View Quote This would bring up maybe a few other questions.....did he ask permission to get the gun since it was his dads, did the kid have full access and the dad never noticed it missing....anyone have the 911 call supposedly the parents made and why? (the why part is my dad would never look for my ass mid Saturday when I was 20...he knew I was with friends) |
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RIP CeCe and FCSD you will be missed
Mike_314..If there was communism in the desert, there would soon be a shortage of sand. 87% shit posting - 13% I am caught in a rule change RSM 20/21 RSL 4522: we will shit on your pillow.. (3613 note) |
Originally Posted By turborocket: Is that a guess (it's a good guess) or do you have a source? I would guess this as well, although it looks like a rifle length upper and that doesn't seem like it would fully fit into the backpack. Depending on how he got to the building, perhaps the upper not being fully in the backpack wouldn't matter. I saw an aerial view of the parking lot after the fact - it was all LEO vehicles with minimal to no general public vehicles, so presumably, he could have easily made it to the base of the building via the parking lot side without anyone noticing a barrel or upper partially sticking out of the backpack. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By turborocket: Originally Posted By triburst1: The shooter’s rifle was broken down and stashed in a black Swiss Gear backpack. Is that a guess (it's a good guess) or do you have a source? I would guess this as well, although it looks like a rifle length upper and that doesn't seem like it would fully fit into the backpack. Depending on how he got to the building, perhaps the upper not being fully in the backpack wouldn't matter. I saw an aerial view of the parking lot after the fact - it was all LEO vehicles with minimal to no general public vehicles, so presumably, he could have easily made it to the base of the building via the parking lot side without anyone noticing a barrel or upper partially sticking out of the backpack. I’ve seen photos of it lying near the edge of the roof where he gained access, still unzipped and open. |
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Originally Posted By WoodHeat: In light of the current situation I find myself hoping that we can attribute this all to malice, because incompetence is far scarier. The idea that the leaders of the premier protective and investigative agencies in the world are bumbling idiots is terrifying. View Quote This is precisely why conspiracy theory exists. people really, really hope there is some grand scheme, planners trying to implement a plan. because the reality is terrifying, the people tasked with the most important jobs in the world are really that stupid. |
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RIP CeCe and FCSD you will be missed
Mike_314..If there was communism in the desert, there would soon be a shortage of sand. 87% shit posting - 13% I am caught in a rule change RSM 20/21 RSL 4522: we will shit on your pillow.. (3613 note) |
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