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Posted: 7/12/2017 1:10:22 PM EDT
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Lead paint chips are not snacks. I suppose the wheels, engines, etc. that got in the Pentagon from the 757 were placed there after the fact to "fool people" and the missing passengers and flight crew where murdered and dumped in a swamp. God, I hate fucking stupid people. ETA: This is not the place for this bullshit, RINO_hunter. <edited -40xb> |
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Posted: 7/12/2017 1:10:30 PM EDT
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Not if that cargo lock failed or wasn't fully engaged. Shifting loads bring down planes all the time. Remember that one in Afghanistan where I think it was a 747 had a load shift aft and bring the plane down? I swear I remember a TCTO that came out a year or two ago about the locking rod being made from the wrong stuff and was failing, so they replaced every single one of them on all our aircraft. Something regarding the locks was fucked up. Chairborne might have better recollection considering he is what he is. |
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Posted: 7/12/2017 1:27:55 PM EDT
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Nine of the sixteen casualties are from my AO.
God rest them all. 
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Posted: 7/12/2017 1:31:24 PM EDT
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Ok. Back to one of the important topics- aside from the loss of life it may be THE most important topic- did the planes nose and cockpit section separate in flight? Have any new aerial photographs of the crash sight come out to show if the cockpit section is there in the wreck or not?
If this is a new airframe problem with the "H" generation C130s- thats a lot of aircraft not just in the USAF/USMC/USN but also the RAF, RCAF, RAAF, IDF, Luftwaffe, ect. |
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Posted: 7/12/2017 1:33:14 PM EDT
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Ok. Back to one of the important topics- aside from the loss of life it may be THE most important topic- did the planes nose and cockpit section separate in flight? Have any new aerial photographs of the crash sight come out to show if the cockpit section is there in the wreck or not? If this is a new airframe problem with the "H" generation C130s- thats a lot of aircraft not just in the USAF/USMC/USN but also the RAF, RCAF, RAAF, IDF, Luftwaffe, ect. |
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Posted: 7/12/2017 2:00:38 PM EDT
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I doubt we'll see any further overhead pictures, but I'd like to see the complete wing. I'm interested to see what's left of the propellers.
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Posted: 7/12/2017 2:15:07 PM EDT
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Posted: 7/12/2017 2:19:57 PM EDT
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Oh wait, you're serious. Aren't you?    Quote HistoryQuoted:
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its amazing how every plane crash on earth leaves things behind. Like seats, or the cockpit. Or maybe parts of a fuselage. Not to mention 10,000 lb steel jet engines. except for united 93 and the pentagon on 9/11 yea yea tinfoil on...
Oh wait, you're serious. Aren't you? |
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Posted: 7/12/2017 2:25:07 PM EDT
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http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2017/07/12/06/423D41E300000578-0-image-m-36_1499837284362.jpg Dan Baldassare (pictured), aged 20. He was originally from Colts Neck, New Jersey and his friends describe him as a 'patriot' http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2017/07/12/06/423D414D00000578-0-image-m-42_1499837436840.jpg Sgt. Julian Kevianne (pictured), a Detroit, Michigan native, died in the crash Monday. He joined the Marines in 2009 because he wanted to protect and defend the country, his brother Carlo Kevianne said http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2017/07/12/06/423E211400000578-0-image-a-51_1499837612437.jpg Staff Sgt. Joshua Snowden (pictured) originally grew up Dallas, Texas, his family said. The 31-year-old worked as a flight engineer on the KC-130 that crashed and was preparing to celebrate his 32 birthday on July 22 http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2017/07/12/06/423E339E00000578-0-image-a-52_1499837924672.jpg Gunnery Sgt. Brendan Johnson (pictured) joined the Marines shortly after graduating from Johnson State College, his father, Kevin Johnson said First 4 Id'ed the NC based guys will be Released later this after noon
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Posted: 7/12/2017 3:28:51 PM EDT
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Not if that cargo lock failed or wasn't fully engaged. Shifting loads bring down planes all the time. Remember that one in Afghanistan where I think it was a 747 had a load shift aft and bring the plane down? I swear I remember a TCTO that came out a year or two ago about the locking rod being made from the wrong stuff and was failing, so they replaced every single one of them on all our aircraft. Something regarding the locks was fucked up. Chairborne might have better recollection considering he is what he is. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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The standard USMC tie down ratings are for 9G's forward, 2G's rearward. If the aircraft were in straight and level flight at FL220, it would take a pretty massive event to exceed that 9G rating. m I swear I remember a TCTO that came out a year or two ago about the locking rod being made from the wrong stuff and was failing, so they replaced every single one of them on all our aircraft. Something regarding the locks was fucked up. Chairborne might have better recollection considering he is what he is. |
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Posted: 7/12/2017 3:42:48 PM EDT
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Posted: 7/12/2017 3:46:57 PM EDT
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They found one of the plane's engines Wednesday morning, he said. It wasn't clear if the engine constituted one of the "impact areas." "At first it looked like an acrobatic plane, like a stunt plane, blowing the smoke out the back," Jones said. "Then all of a sudden you realized that the smoke was coming off one of the sides of the wing." |
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Posted: 7/12/2017 4:02:04 PM EDT
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Posted: 7/12/2017 6:37:30 PM EDT
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Update 4 more named
Joe Murray 
Talon Leach 
William Joseph Kundrat, 33, 
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Posted: 7/12/2017 6:39:43 PM EDT
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Update 4 more named http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2017/07/12/18/4242F52700000578-0-image-a-101_1499880187044.jpg Joe Murray http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2017/07/12/18/4242F8A300000578-0-image-m-100_1499880171509.jpg Talon Leach http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2017/07/12/20/4243B22400000578-4690268-William_Joseph_Kundrat-a-159_1499886977044.jpg William Joseph Kundrat, 33, http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2017/07/12/20/424319EE00000578-4690268-Mark_Hopkins-m-158_1499886971330.jpg Mark Hopkins
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Posted: 7/12/2017 6:54:24 PM EDT
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Damn. That's a lot of "Older" Marines. Corpsman Ryan Lohrey https://www.marinecorpstimes.com/articles/portraits-of-some-of-the-service-members-in-marine-c-130-crash |
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Posted: 7/12/2017 7:25:31 PM EDT
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Local news here (Alabama) said charges were pending against a person who had removed debris from the site. I hope they prosecute to the fullest. 16 people died in that aircraft. Why the fu&# would you want a piece?
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Posted: 7/12/2017 7:28:36 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryPer a MARSOC Commander
Q:What’s the level of experience and expertise in your battalion? A:We start out with a more mature Marine, to begin with. I think our average age is somewhere between 25 and 27, mostly sergeants and above. We start out with somebody who has a higher baseline of training. He could have spent four, five or six years in the infantry, been an infantry squad leader, led Marines in combat. So we’re blessed from that aspect of starting with a very good product, and now we turn around and refine that product and make them more capable, more lethal, etc. |
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Posted: 7/12/2017 8:25:38 PM EDT
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Local news here (Alabama) said charges were pending against a person who had removed debris from the site. I hope they prosecute to the fullest. 16 people died in that aircraft. Why the fu&# would you want a piece? I'm sure that as word got out that military weapons were aboard and debris was scattered for miles that even more than normal numbers of low lifes will be out in the woods and fields looking for a score like finding an M-4 or some other valuable weapon. |
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Posted: 7/12/2017 9:19:20 PM EDT
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Being a 9/11 "truther" used to be an easy way to get banned here....  Quote HistoryQuoted:
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its amazing how every plane crash on earth leaves things behind. Like seats, or the cockpit. Or maybe parts of a fuselage. Not to mention 10,000 lb steel jet engines. except for united 93 and the pentagon on 9/11 yea yea tinfoil on... 
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Posted: 7/12/2017 9:35:34 PM EDT
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At Crash Site of Marine Corps Plane, Bodies ‘Were Everywhere’
https://mobile.nytimes.com/2017/07/11/us/marines-plane-crash.html?referer=https://www.google.com/ |
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Posted: 7/12/2017 9:37:23 PM EDT
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At Crash Site of Marine Corps Plane, Bodies ‘Were Everywhere’ https://mobile.nytimes.com/2017/07/11/us/marines-plane-crash.html?referer=https://www.google.com/ |
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Posted: 7/12/2017 9:45:32 PM EDT
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I typed half of a reply and bailed.
It was something like - most of us already know this and none of us want to dwell on that here and now. |
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Posted: 7/12/2017 10:26:50 PM EDT
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Awful news. RIP
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Posted: 7/12/2017 10:30:11 PM EDT
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Posted: 7/12/2017 10:54:07 PM EDT
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That 747 had just taken off, it was not straight and level at 20,000+ feet. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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The standard USMC tie down ratings are for 9G's forward, 2G's rearward. If the aircraft were in straight and level flight at FL220, it would take a pretty massive event to exceed that 9G rating. m I swear I remember a TCTO that came out a year or two ago about the locking rod being made from the wrong stuff and was failing, so they replaced every single one of them on all our aircraft. Something regarding the locks was fucked up. Chairborne might have better recollection considering he is what he is.
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Posted: 7/12/2017 11:00:41 PM EDT
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More from NY T(cr)imes Here
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Posted: 7/12/2017 11:08:02 PM EDT
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Disregard
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Posted: 7/12/2017 11:08:06 PM EDT
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A lot of speculating in this thread. I'd like to see an aircraft failure instead of a crew failure. Herc's just don't come apart in the air like that. Again, prayers out to the kids on that plane.
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Posted: 7/12/2017 11:34:51 PM EDT
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If anyone knows the exact location to the main portion of the crash, can you PM it to me. A link to pin, grid, coord... whichever
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Posted: 7/12/2017 11:40:22 PM EDT
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Local news here (Alabama) said charges were pending against a person who had removed debris from the site. I hope they prosecute to the fullest. 16 people died in that aircraft. Why the fu&# would you want a piece? |
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Posted: 7/12/2017 11:54:45 PM EDT
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Not going to be newbs in MARSOC. Corpsman Ryan Lohrey https://www.marinecorpstimes.com/articles/portraits-of-some-of-the-service-members-in-marine-c-130-crash Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Damn. That's a lot of "Older" Marines. Corpsman Ryan Lohrey https://www.marinecorpstimes.com/articles/portraits-of-some-of-the-service-members-in-marine-c-130-crash |
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Posted: 7/12/2017 11:57:35 PM EDT
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Interesting. That article mentioned the incident happened during aerial refueling. |
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Posted: 7/13/2017 4:51:08 AM EDT
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Interesting. That article mentioned the incident happened during aerial refueling. |
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Posted: 7/13/2017 4:55:24 AM EDT
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RIP Raiders
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Posted: 7/13/2017 6:24:04 AM EDT
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I don't believe that. I just don't. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Interesting. That article mentioned the incident happened during aerial refueling. I suspect a "professional journalist" has struck again - saw that the 130 was a tanker, and so "assumed" it was running an AR track at time of incident. |
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Posted: 7/13/2017 9:14:29 AM EDT
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The load and the FE names. GySgt. Brendan Johnson - Loadmaster SSgt. Joshua Snowden - Flight Engineer A/C was BUNO 165000. http://www.c-130.net/g3/var/resizes/c-130-photos/North-American-C-130-Photos/USN%20and%20USMC%20C-130s/160411-0026.jpg?m=1461224176 Links: http://www.wcax.com/story/35860276/marine-from-vermont-killed-in-military-plane-crash http://www.fox4news.com/news/267268631-story These are NOT official released names from the US Marines. |
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Posted: 7/13/2017 9:19:08 AM EDT
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What does "BUNO" mean? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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The load and the FE names. GySgt. Brendan Johnson - Loadmaster SSgt. Joshua Snowden - Flight Engineer A/C was BUNO 165000. http://www.c-130.net/g3/var/resizes/c-130-photos/North-American-C-130-Photos/USN%20and%20USMC%20C-130s/160411-0026.jpg?m=1461224176 Links: http://www.wcax.com/story/35860276/marine-from-vermont-killed-in-military-plane-crash http://www.fox4news.com/news/267268631-story These are NOT official released names from the US Marines. |
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Posted: 7/13/2017 9:24:48 AM EDT
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What does "BUNO" mean? Mike |
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Posted: 7/13/2017 9:30:46 AM EDT
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A lot of speculating in this thread. I'd like to see an aircraft failure instead of a crew failure. Herc's just don't come apart in the air like that. Again, prayers out to the kids on that plane. I don't want to see anything failing but it is very significant that this happened. The Herc community has a stellar safety record and the aircraft is well known to be a very reliable and capable airframe. That one fell out of the sky like this is troubling and will undoubtedly shake the entire fleet DoD and internationally. |
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Posted: 7/13/2017 9:34:28 AM EDT
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Beureau number, like our tail numbers but they have their own weirdness. 
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Posted: 7/13/2017 9:36:11 AM EDT
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Don't be jealous we have our own language! Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Beureau number, like our tail numbers but they have their own weirdness.
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Posted: 7/13/2017 10:45:26 AM EDT
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Interesting. That article mentioned the incident happened during aerial refueling. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Damn. That's a lot of "Older" Marines. Corpsman Ryan Lohrey https://www.marinecorpstimes.com/articles/portraits-of-some-of-the-service-members-in-marine-c-130-crash I really wish people would just shut up and wait for the investigation results. |
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Posted: 7/13/2017 10:56:41 AM EDT
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Are all Marines this stupid, or just the Generals: "Indications are something went wrong.", Brig. Gen. Bradly S. James, Commander of the 4th Marine Aircraft wing, said Wednesday. (from today's Stars and Stripes, page 6.) AKA: No Shit Sherlock.
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Posted: 7/13/2017 2:11:43 PM EDT
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More from NY T(cr)imes Here |
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Posted: 7/13/2017 3:21:34 PM EDT
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An engine was found, and not on the wing.
Either knocked off by the cockpit or part of the mishap - but total speculation on my part, but I think that's significant. The debris field map will tell a lot about the order of what came apart, obviously. Being a mystery, I wait for some other details to be released. |
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Posted: 7/13/2017 3:26:29 PM EDT
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An engine was found, and not on the wing. Either knocked off by the cockpit or part of the mishap - but total speculation on my part, but I think that's significant. The debris field map will tell a lot about the order of what came apart, obviously. Being a mystery, I wait for some other details to be released. I will be a while. Five square miles of what basically amounts to soybean fields about waste high. Anybody that has shot dove over a soybean field can testify that even when you see and mentally mark the spot if fell, it can take a while to locate a down bird. Granted, the key parts like the cockpit, engine, etc will be easier to find, but they are having to tread very carefully because of the unexploded ordinance. I heard on Supertalk MS (statewide talk radio) that 100 Marines, including EOD, were inbound today. |
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Posted: 7/13/2017 4:37:30 PM EDT
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Any updates?
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Posted: 7/13/2017 5:23:34 PM EDT
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I will be a while. Five square miles of what basically amounts to soybean fields about waste high. Anybody that has shot dove over a soybean field can testify that even when you see and mentally mark the spot if fell, it can take a while to locate a down bird. Granted, the key parts like the cockpit, engine, etc will be easier to find, but they are having to tread very carefully because of the unexploded ordinance. I heard on Supertalk MS (statewide talk radio) that 100 Marines, including EOD, were inbound today. |
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Posted: 7/13/2017 6:54:05 PM EDT
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Is it common practice to use a 'tanker' for cargo duties and is it common practice for a tanker to carry passengers?
Serious questions as I don't know and I'm curious. |
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