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Posted: 4/20/2023 5:37:53 PM EDT
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Posted: 4/20/2023 5:38:26 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: This was a weak case that had nothing to do with "the four rules." He didn't buy his way out of it, they had a shit case. Charging him then dropping the charges seem the acts of idiots When will the DOJ file Civil Rights charges…… |
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Posted: 4/20/2023 5:38:46 PM EDT
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Its good to be a democrat
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Posted: 4/20/2023 5:41:13 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Nobody is above the law. 
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Posted: 4/20/2023 5:45:56 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: He's already entered a not guilty plea at an arraignment. In NM the date of arraignment starts the clock on his right to a speedy trial. This is the end of the road for everything but the civil suits. |
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Posted: 4/20/2023 5:48:19 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: This was a weak case that had nothing to do with "the four rules." He didn't buy his way out of it, they had a shit case. Charging him then dropping the charges seem the acts of idiots This. I get that he's a lefty and we don't like that. But he's a dipshit actor who who doesn't like guns. It was the armorer's job to make sure it was safe. |
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Posted: 4/20/2023 5:48:29 PM EDT
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Baldwin is ignorant of guns. It was the armorers responsibility to assure the gun was safe.
Baldwin is an idiot, but he is not responsible for an unfortunate death while "acting". He should have never been charged. I'm actually sorry for him to go through this, as much as I don't care for him. |
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Posted: 4/20/2023 5:50:56 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Baldwin is ignorant of guns. It was the armorers responsibility to assure the gun was safe. Baldwin is an idiot, but he is not responsible for an unfortunate death while "acting". He should have never been charged. I'm actually sorry for him to go through this, as much as I don't care for him. 
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Posted: 4/20/2023 5:51:00 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The Armorer chick is the only one going down for this. Baldwin got let loose because he has money and connections. If he gets off she should as well |
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Posted: 4/20/2023 6:04:32 PM EDT
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" The FBI rubbished Baldwin's claim that he did not pull the trigger, but the source said the gun was modified before it reached the set, to allow it to fire a bullet without the trigger being pulled. "
'I owe everything I have to this woman': Alec Baldwin credits his wife Hilaria after involuntary manslaughter charges dropped as new evidence 'shows gun could've been fired WITHOUT him pulling the trigger' - directly contradicting FBI https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11996531/Involuntary-manslaughter-charges-against-Alec-Baldwin-DROPPED.html |
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Posted: 4/20/2023 6:12:52 PM EDT
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Posted: 4/20/2023 6:18:48 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: This was a weak case that had nothing to do with "the four rules." He didn't buy his way out of it, they had a shit case. Charging him then dropping the charges seem the acts of idiots How is this not a case of negligent homicide? He literally has no culpability in this? Can you explain why it's a shit case? @Aimless |
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Posted: 4/20/2023 6:23:26 PM EDT
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Called it.
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Posted: 4/20/2023 6:35:48 PM EDT
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Travesty of Justice
A miscarriage of justice; an act of the legal system that is an insult to the system of justice. The jury's verdict was a travesty of justice. The lawyer complained that the judge's ruling was a travesty of justice. See also: justice, of, travesty McGraw-Hill Dictionary of American Idioms and Phrasal Verbs. © 2002 by The McGraw-Hill Companies, Inc. |
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Posted: 4/20/2023 6:36:10 PM EDT
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Posted: 4/20/2023 8:50:39 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryHe had no intent, and no knowledge that the gun was loaded. He was "acting". He is an idiot, but not guilty of a crime. |
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Posted: 4/20/2023 8:51:12 PM EDT
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Quoted: WHAT IBTL... |
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Posted: 4/20/2023 9:01:10 PM EDT
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Is anyone really surprised??
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Posted: 4/20/2023 9:05:43 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: He had no intent, and no knowledge that the gun was loaded. He was "acting". He is an idiot, but not guilty of a crime. 2019 New Mexico Statutes Chapter 30 - Criminal Offenses Article 2 - Homicide Section 30-2-3 - Manslaughter. Universal Citation: NM Stat § 30-2-3 (2019) Manslaughter is the unlawful killing of a human being without malice. A. Voluntary manslaughter consists of manslaughter committed upon a sudden quarrel or in the heat of passion. Whoever commits voluntary manslaughter is guilty of a third degree felony resulting in the death of a human being. B. Involuntary manslaughter consists of manslaughter committed in the commission of an unlawful act not amounting to felony, or in the commission of a lawful act which might produce death in an unlawful manner or without due caution and circumspection. Whoever commits involuntary manslaughter is guilty of a fourth degree felony. I am sure you know the basic gun safety rules. AB knew them, too. His father was a gun instructor. They aren't hard to remember or follow. How is "without due caution and circumspection" defined with guns? How many separate violations of the safety rules are required by the person holding the gun before anyone gets hurt? See the video above by movie armorer Larry Zanoff. |
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Posted: 4/20/2023 9:06:55 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: This was a weak case that had nothing to do with "the four rules." He didn't buy his way out of it, they had a shit case. Charging him then dropping the charges seem the acts of idiots If someone handed you a gun and told you to point it at someone and pull the trigger, would you do it? ETA: SAG rules state than any actor who thinks something is dangerous should sing out and not participate. AB knew the rules. His father was a gun instructor. See the video by the movie armorer on the rules. |
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Posted: 4/20/2023 9:11:27 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The Armorer chick is the only one going down for this. Baldwin got let loose because he has money and connections. Bingo. |
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Posted: 4/20/2023 9:30:58 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: 2019 New Mexico Statutes Chapter 30 - Criminal Offenses Article 2 - Homicide Section 30-2-3 - Manslaughter. Universal Citation: NM Stat § 30-2-3 (2019) Manslaughter is the unlawful killing of a human being without malice. A. Voluntary manslaughter consists of manslaughter committed upon a sudden quarrel or in the heat of passion. Whoever commits voluntary manslaughter is guilty of a third degree felony resulting in the death of a human being. B. Involuntary manslaughter consists of manslaughter committed in the commission of an unlawful act not amounting to felony, or in the commission of a lawful act which might produce death in an unlawful manner or without due caution and circumspection. Whoever commits involuntary manslaughter is guilty of a fourth degree felony. I am sure you know the basic gun safety rules. AB knew them, too. His father was a gun instructor. They aren't hard to remember or follow. How is "without due caution and circumspection" defined with guns? How many separate violations of the safety rules are required by the person holding the gun before anyone gets hurt? See the video above by movie armorer Larry Zanoff. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: He had no intent, and no knowledge that the gun was loaded. He was "acting". He is an idiot, but not guilty of a crime. 2019 New Mexico Statutes Chapter 30 - Criminal Offenses Article 2 - Homicide Section 30-2-3 - Manslaughter. Universal Citation: NM Stat § 30-2-3 (2019) Manslaughter is the unlawful killing of a human being without malice. A. Voluntary manslaughter consists of manslaughter committed upon a sudden quarrel or in the heat of passion. Whoever commits voluntary manslaughter is guilty of a third degree felony resulting in the death of a human being. B. Involuntary manslaughter consists of manslaughter committed in the commission of an unlawful act not amounting to felony, or in the commission of a lawful act which might produce death in an unlawful manner or without due caution and circumspection. Whoever commits involuntary manslaughter is guilty of a fourth degree felony. I am sure you know the basic gun safety rules. AB knew them, too. His father was a gun instructor. They aren't hard to remember or follow. How is "without due caution and circumspection" defined with guns? How many separate violations of the safety rules are required by the person holding the gun before anyone gets hurt? See the video above by movie armorer Larry Zanoff. Do we really want to put people in prison for mistakes? Actors point guns at people and pull the trigger routinely. Circumspection with regard to doing so is off the table. It's part of their job. |
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Posted: 4/20/2023 9:39:12 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Do we really want to put people in prison for mistakes? Actors point guns at people and pull the trigger routinely. Circumspection with regard to doing so is off the table. It's part of their job. If the mistake kills someone and was easily avoidable by following simple rules -- Yes. Particularly when following just one rule at one point by one person would have prevented it. I have always been taught that the person holding the gun can prevent any problems if they follow the rules, no matter what anyone else did. How about you? No, actors do not point real guns at people. See the movie armorer who explains how it works.  Here’s how real guns are kept safe on film sets |
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Posted: 4/20/2023 10:02:53 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: If the mistake kills someone and was easily avoidable by following simple rules -- Yes. Particularly when following just one rule at one point by one person would have prevented it. I have always been taught that the person holding the gun can prevent any problems if they follow the rules, no matter what anyone else did. How about you? No, actors do not point real guns at people. See the movie armorer who explains how it works.  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZTOYiNd1AxsQuote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Do we really want to put people in prison for mistakes? Actors point guns at people and pull the trigger routinely. Circumspection with regard to doing so is off the table. It's part of their job. If the mistake kills someone and was easily avoidable by following simple rules -- Yes. Particularly when following just one rule at one point by one person would have prevented it. I have always been taught that the person holding the gun can prevent any problems if they follow the rules, no matter what anyone else did. How about you? No, actors do not point real guns at people. See the movie armorer who explains how it works. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZTOYiNd1AxsHe did a good job of explaining how there are people whose only job is to prevent firearm accidents from happening. AB is an idiot and could have prevented what happened, but it's because there are idiots like him that professionals are given the responsibility of making sure he doesn't shoot someone. That is the due diligence taken on behalf of the actors. They failed. AB broke rules, but rules are not laws. |
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Posted: 4/20/2023 10:31:19 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: He did a good job of explaining how there are people whose only job is to prevent firearm accidents from happening. AB is an idiot and could have prevented what happened, but it's because there are idiots like him that professionals are given the responsibility of making sure he doesn't shoot someone. That is the due diligence taken on behalf of the actors. They failed. AB broke rules, but rules are not laws. He also says that real guns are never to be pointed at anyone -- same rule AB undoubtedly learned from his father, the gun instructor. The NM law which I posted says that it is manslaughter if it was "without due caution or circumspection." How is that defined with guns? If someone handed you a gun and told you to point it at someone and pull the trigger. Would you do it? How about if they told you that we are just pretending now? |
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Posted: 4/20/2023 10:47:20 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: He also says that real guns are never to be pointed at anyone -- same rule AB undoubtedly learned from his father, the gun instructor. The NM law which I posted says that it is manslaughter if it was "without due caution or circumspection." How is that defined with guns? If someone handed you a gun and told you to point it at someone and pull the trigger. Would you do it? How about if they told you that we are just pretending now? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: He did a good job of explaining how there are people whose only job is to prevent firearm accidents from happening. AB is an idiot and could have prevented what happened, but it's because there are idiots like him that professionals are given the responsibility of making sure he doesn't shoot someone. That is the due diligence taken on behalf of the actors. They failed. AB broke rules, but rules are not laws. He also says that real guns are never to be pointed at anyone -- same rule AB undoubtedly learned from his father, the gun instructor. The NM law which I posted says that it is manslaughter if it was "without due caution or circumspection." How is that defined with guns? If someone handed you a gun and told you to point it at someone and pull the trigger. Would you do it? How about if they told you that we are just pretending now? "Without due caution or circumspection" is defined with guns the same way as anything else. A professional armorer told AB, (who is not a professional), that the gun was safe. If you just had your tires rotated, and one comes off, causing a wreck that killed someone, is it your fault? You relied on a professional to tell you it was safe. |
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Posted: 4/20/2023 10:54:08 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: "Without due caution or circumspection" is defined with guns the same way as anything else. A professional armorer told AB, (who is not a professional), that the gun was safe. If you just had your tires rotated, and one comes off, causing a wreck that killed someone, is it your fault? You relied on a professional to tell you it was safe. I don't know if you are aware of this, but guns have rules that apply only to guns and nothing else. The person holding the gun can prevent any problems if they follow the safety rules, no matter what anyone else did. AB knew the rules. His father was a gun instructor. The movie armorer says that the movie set rules say that real guns are never to be pointed at anyone. Same rule they teach in every gun class. He also says the actor, the AD, and the armorer are supposed to check it together and demonstrate anything in the gun. SAG rules say the actor is supposed to object to any situation that they know is unsafe. If someone handed you a gun and told you to point it at someone and pull the trigger, would you do it? How about if they told you that someone else checked it and we are just pretending? |
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Posted: 4/20/2023 11:01:26 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I don't know if you are aware of this, but guns have rules that apply only to guns and nothing else. The person holding the gun can prevent any problems if they follow the safety rules, no matter what anyone else did. AB knew the rules. His father was a gun instructor. I don't know if you are aware of this, but our legal system isn't based on things your grandpappy taught you, Old Man River. |
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Posted: 4/20/2023 11:02:30 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I don't know if you are aware of this, but guns have rules that apply only to guns and nothing else. The person holding the gun can prevent any problems if they follow the safety rules, no matter what anyone else did. AB knew the rules. His father was a gun instructor. The movie armorer says that the movie set rules say that real guns are never to be pointed at anyone. Same rule they teach in every gun class. He also says the actor, the AD, and the armorer are supposed to check it together and demonstrate anything in the gun. SAG rules say the actor is supposed to object to any situation that they know is unsafe. If someone handed you a gun and told you to point it at someone and pull the trigger, would you do it? How about if they told you that someone else checked it and we are just pretending? Rules are not laws. |
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Posted: 4/20/2023 11:03:45 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Rules are not laws. That's covered under "due caution and circumspection." What does that mean? What does the movie armorer say about pointing guns at people? If someone handed you a gun and told you to point it at someone and pull the trigger, would you do it? |
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Posted: 4/20/2023 11:04:28 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I don't know if you are aware of this, but our legal system isn't based on things your grandpappy taught you, Old Man River. What does "due caution and circumspection" mean with guns? If someone handed you a gun and told you to point it at someone and pull the trigger, would you do it? |
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Posted: 4/20/2023 11:09:42 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: What does "due caution and circumspection" mean with guns? If someone handed you a gun and told you to point it at someone and pull the trigger, would you do it? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I don't know if you are aware of this, but our legal system isn't based on things your grandpappy taught you, Old Man River. What does "due caution and circumspection" mean with guns? If someone handed you a gun and told you to point it at someone and pull the trigger, would you do it? I'd say paying a person who was supposedly a professional to ensure no live ammo would be on set and that the weapon was safe before each scene is taking "due caution." I can't stand Alec Baldwin, but charging him was stupid. The armorer should spend the next 10 to 20 years in a cell, though. |
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Posted: 4/20/2023 11:14:28 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: That's covered under "due caution and circumspection." What does that mean? What does the movie armorer say about pointing guns at people? If someone handed you a gun and told you to point it at someone and pull the trigger, would you do it? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Rules are not laws. That's covered under "due caution and circumspection." What does that mean? What does the movie armorer say about pointing guns at people? If someone handed you a gun and told you to point it at someone and pull the trigger, would you do it? If I'm a movie actor, "due caution" on my part is having a professional to make sure guns are safe. That's how they do it in that industry. Stupid people handle guns, so they hire professional safety people. THAT is their due caution. What you describe is worthy of suing AB in civil court if you think you can prove that he knew all about gun safety, but not criminal charges. |
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Posted: 4/20/2023 11:18:31 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I'd say paying a person who was supposedly a professional to ensure no live ammo would be on set and that the weapon was safe before each scene is taking "due caution." I can't stand Alec Baldwin, but charging him was stupid. The armorer should spend the next 10 to 20 years in a cell, though. Then you would have killed her, too. And then claimed you were innocent. That's a lame excuse for killing someone. The movie armorer who explained it says that real guns are never to be pointed at anyone, regardless. Standard gun safety rules applicable everywhere say the same. I have no real opinion of AB, one way or the other. But I do know that real guns are never to be pointed at anyone. Doesn't matter what the lame excuse is. You just explained how she got killed. Someone was stupid enough to think that pretending means the rules don't count. |
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Posted: 4/20/2023 11:21:48 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: If I'm a movie actor, "due caution" on my part is having a professional to make sure guns are safe. That's how they do it in that industry. Stupid people handle guns, so they hire professional safety people. THAT is their due caution. What you describe is worthy of suing AB in civil court if you think you can prove that he knew all about gun safety, but not criminal charges. Then you would have killed her while the SAG rules say that you should have exercised what you were taught about guns. That's a poor excuse for killing someone. What do the movie rules say about pointing guns at people - regardless of what anyone told you? What do the standard gun safety rules say about it? How about if someone told you it was safe? AB knew the rules, including that one. His father was a gun instructor. Nobody gets killed until the person holding the gun ignores that rule plus some others. |
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Posted: 4/20/2023 11:22:47 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Discontinuing without prejudice with the consent of the defendant probably resets the speedy trial clock. https://casetext.com/rule/new-mexico-court-rules/new-mexico-rules-of-criminal-procedure-for-the-magistrate-courts/article-5-arraignment-and-preparation-for-trial/rule-6-5061-voluntary-dismissal-and-refiled-proceedings In NM the six month speedy trial clock stops after a voluntary dismissal that results in a dismissal without prejudice. Refiling the original charges wouldn't restart the clock from the beginning. After the new arraignment date, the clock would keep running unless there is some sort of mutual waiver of extension for time or extraordinary circumstances. I do not expect the state to refile these charges. It is a done deal at this point. |
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Posted: 4/20/2023 11:25:18 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Then you would have killed her, too. And then claimed you were innocent. That's a lame excuse for killing someone. The movie armorer who explained it says that real guns are never to be pointed at anyone, regardless. Standard gun safety rules applicable everywhere say the same. I have no real opinion of AB, one way or the other. But I do know that real guns are never to be pointed at anyone. Doesn't matter what the lame excuse is. You just explained how she got killed. Someone was stupid enough to think that pretending means the rules don't count. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I'd say paying a person who was supposedly a professional to ensure no live ammo would be on set and that the weapon was safe before each scene is taking "due caution." I can't stand Alec Baldwin, but charging him was stupid. The armorer should spend the next 10 to 20 years in a cell, though. Then you would have killed her, too. And then claimed you were innocent. That's a lame excuse for killing someone. The movie armorer who explained it says that real guns are never to be pointed at anyone, regardless. Standard gun safety rules applicable everywhere say the same. I have no real opinion of AB, one way or the other. But I do know that real guns are never to be pointed at anyone. Doesn't matter what the lame excuse is. You just explained how she got killed. Someone was stupid enough to think that pretending means the rules don't count. I wouldn't have killed her because I wouldn't point a gun, even loaded with blanks, at another person and pull the trigger. You and I know better. Alec Baldwin is a moron who lives in a fantasy world. I'm sure you've seen what a nut his wife is, too. That's why production companies hire "professionals" to babysit the actors. Unfortunately, in this case, they hired a purple haired freak who had no clue what she was doing. |
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Posted: 4/20/2023 11:25:47 PM EDT
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Posted: 4/20/2023 11:27:20 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I wouldn't have killed her because I wouldn't point a gun, even loaded with blanks, at another person and pull the trigger. You and I know better. Alec Baldwin is a moron who lives in a fantasy world. I'm sure you've seen what a nut his wife is, too. That's why production companies hire "professionals" to babysit the actors. Unfortunately, in this case, they hired a purple haired freak who had no clue what she was doing. Huh. AB knew the rules. His father was a gun instructor. As you know, that rule is absolute. There are no exceptions. The rules are easy to remember. |
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Posted: 4/20/2023 11:32:29 PM EDT
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That$ ab$olutely $hocking. Why in the world would $omeone drop tho$e charge$ again$t a celebrity? We may never under$tand.
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Posted: 4/21/2023 12:16:23 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Then you would have killed her while the SAG rules say that you should have exercised what you were taught about guns. That's a poor excuse for killing someone. What do the movie rules say about pointing guns at people - regardless of what anyone told you? What do the standard gun safety rules say about it? How about if someone told you it was safe? AB knew the rules, including that one. His father was a gun instructor. Nobody gets killed until the person holding the gun ignores that rule plus some others. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: If I'm a movie actor, "due caution" on my part is having a professional to make sure guns are safe. That's how they do it in that industry. Stupid people handle guns, so they hire professional safety people. THAT is their due caution. What you describe is worthy of suing AB in civil court if you think you can prove that he knew all about gun safety, but not criminal charges. Then you would have killed her while the SAG rules say that you should have exercised what you were taught about guns. That's a poor excuse for killing someone. What do the movie rules say about pointing guns at people - regardless of what anyone told you? What do the standard gun safety rules say about it? How about if someone told you it was safe? AB knew the rules, including that one. His father was a gun instructor. Nobody gets killed until the person holding the gun ignores that rule plus some others. The person that killed her was the person that brought live ammo on to a movie set, loaded it into a prop gun, and handed it to an actor, all the while being the person professionally responsible for making sure that very thing didn't happen. |
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Posted: 4/21/2023 12:21:36 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The person that killed her was the person that brought live ammo on to a movie set, loaded it into a prop gun, and handed it to an actor, all the while being the person professionally responsible for making sure that very thing didn't happen. I count at least seven violations of basic gun safety rules by at least three people that were required before anyone got killed, including three by AB while the gun was in his hands. That's obvious just from the headlines. You and I know that pointing a real gun at someone is dangerous and against the rules, no matter what anyone else told you. You should also know that assuming a gun is safe because someone told you it was is against the rules, too. If AB had followed even one rule -- don't point it at people -- then she would still be alive, no matter what anyone else did. True, or False? |
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Posted: 4/21/2023 12:21:50 AM EDT
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Yep, saw him at dinner tonight as they get ready to restart filming here in town.
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Posted: 4/21/2023 12:25:46 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I count at least seven violations of basic gun safety rules by at least three people that were required before anyone got killed, including three by AB while the gun was in his hands. That's obvious just from the headlines. You and I know that pointing a real gun at someone is dangerous and against the rules, no matter what anyone else told you. You should also know that assuming a gun is safe because someone told you it was is against the rules, too. If AB had followed even one rule -- don't point it at people -- then she would still be alive, no matter what anyone else did. True, or False? You're right, which is why he's getting his ass handed to him in the civil trial. Proving criminal charges is a whole other animal. |
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Posted: 4/21/2023 12:28:58 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Nobody is above the law. |
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Posted: 4/21/2023 12:32:47 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I count at least seven violations of basic gun safety rules by at least three people that were required before anyone got killed, including three by AB while the gun was in his hands. That's obvious just from the headlines. You and I know that pointing a real gun at someone is dangerous and against the rules, no matter what anyone else told you. You should also know that assuming a gun is safe because someone told you it was is against the rules, too. If AB had followed even one rule -- don't point it at people -- then she would still be alive, no matter what anyone else did. True, or False? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: The person that killed her was the person that brought live ammo on to a movie set, loaded it into a prop gun, and handed it to an actor, all the while being the person professionally responsible for making sure that very thing didn't happen. I count at least seven violations of basic gun safety rules by at least three people that were required before anyone got killed, including three by AB while the gun was in his hands. That's obvious just from the headlines. You and I know that pointing a real gun at someone is dangerous and against the rules, no matter what anyone else told you. You should also know that assuming a gun is safe because someone told you it was is against the rules, too. If AB had followed even one rule -- don't point it at people -- then she would still be alive, no matter what anyone else did. True, or False? Rules are not laws. |
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Posted: 4/21/2023 12:35:42 AM EDT
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Posted: 4/21/2023 12:39:29 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You're right, which is why he's getting his ass handed to him in the civil trial. Proving criminal charges is a whole other animal. Criminal charges depend on what "due caution and circumspection" means with guns, specifically. What is the "due caution and circumspection" rule on pointing guns at people? What are the exceptions to that rule? I was taught that I own the results any time the gun was in my hands. I don't get to blame killing someone on anyone else if I am in full control of the weapon. What were you taught? |
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Posted: 4/21/2023 12:40:41 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Rules are not laws. Read the statute I posted. What does "due caution and circumspection" mean with respect to guns? What is the cautious and circumspect way to point guns at people? |
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Posted: 4/21/2023 12:44:54 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I was taught that I own the results any time the gun was in my hands. I don't get to blame killing someone on anyone else if I am in full control of the weapon. What were you taught? I don't know if you are aware of this, but our legal system isn't based on things your grandpappy taught you, Old Man River. Page 2 and we're already doing re-runs. 
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