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Posted: 6/2/2022 8:45:04 PM EST
Images have emerged online that appear to show multiple examples of at least two different types of commercial or commercial-derivative drones with vertical takeoff and landing capability on the deck of the Chinese aircraft carrier Shandong. The exact circumstances behind these pictures are not immediately clear. They do underscore the Chinese People's Liberation Army's ever-increasing efforts to develop and field various types of unmanned aircraft, including those that can operate together in networked swarms, and often with an eye toward performing various roles in the maritime domain.
The images were posted recently on the Chinese microblogging website Weibo, but it's unclear when they were taken. At least one, which actually shows a drone in flight, has a CCTV-7 watermark, indicating that it is a frame from a segment that aired on that television network. China Central Television's (CCTV) channel seven is devoted to People's Liberation Army (PLA) related programming.  https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/chinese-aircraft-carrier-seen-with-fleet-of-drones-onboard |
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Posted: 6/2/2022 8:50:13 PM EST
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Interesting. A swarm of those could pose a real test to a ship's defenses.
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Posted: 6/2/2022 8:50:54 PM EST
[#2]
LoL……
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Posted: 6/2/2022 8:51:27 PM EST
[#3]
They fuel um up, only to have to refuel an hour later
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Posted: 6/2/2022 8:51:50 PM EST
[#4]
Ace Combat prepared me for this
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Posted: 6/2/2022 8:52:50 PM EST
[#5]
Probably killed off too many pilots trying to learn carrier skills.
At first I thought target drones. But after seeing how many, I don’t think it’s that. Drone swarms are going to be a future threat if not already. |
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Posted: 6/2/2022 8:53:01 PM EST
[#6]
Add a few more Seawiz to the decks. I’ve seen them in action and they move like a Hollywood movie. Stupid fast and shoots stupid fast.
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Posted: 6/2/2022 8:54:09 PM EST
[#7]
Quote HistoryAre we pretending China doesn't have a copy of SOSUS now? |
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Posted: 6/2/2022 8:55:16 PM EST
[#8]
Quote HistoryPretty much 1/2 our Pacific win but China is focusing on ASW not sure of 2022 progress. Think 2017 was my last read up or 2018? Congress will have a report coming that I’ll review when I get some time. |
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Posted: 6/2/2022 8:57:17 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Are we pretending China doesn't have a copy of SOSUS now? As of 2017ish? Their engines not so quiet but quiet engines and arctic patrols was on their wish list in 2017 so 2022? They will have more subs than us by 2027. |
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Posted: 6/2/2022 8:58:15 PM EST
[#10]
We must fly reapers off carriers? No?
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Posted: 6/2/2022 9:00:23 PM EST
[#11]
Quote HistoryQuoted: As of 2017ish? Their engines not so quiet but quiet engines and arctic patrols was on their wish list in 2017 so 2022? They will have more subs than us by 2027. China has enough domestic sensor suite production I'm not sure I trust them to not have some classified capabilities while I also assume they have copies of everything Walker gave the Soviets. Not to mention all of their domestic spying. |
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Posted: 6/2/2022 9:02:25 PM EST
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Why would you want a carrier to launch drones? VTOL drones at that?
Why not something a hell of a lot smaller, cheaper, and simpler? |
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Posted: 6/2/2022 9:03:48 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: China has enough domestic sensor suite production I'm not sure I trust them to not have some classified capabilities while I also assume they have copies of everything Walker gave the Soviets. Not to mention all of their domestic spying. Hopefully they don’t succeed in trying to duplicate our NCO ranks. I don’t think their mainland culture can but they sure love stealing, copying and bribing and buying up whatever they can. |
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Posted: 6/2/2022 9:05:43 PM EST
[#14]
Quote HistoryQuoted: As of 2017ish? Their engines not so quiet but quiet engines and arctic patrols was on their wish list in 2017 so 2022? They will have more subs than us by 2027. I posted some data about the Chinese navy in other threads but half the posters here think they float around in junks still. They are very close to doubling our fleet, should be there in a year or two. |
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Posted: 6/2/2022 9:06:07 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Hopefully they don’t succeed in trying to duplicate our NCO ranks. I don’t think their mainland culture can but they sure love stealing, copying and bribing and buying up whatever they can. I'm not sure NCOs matter much in modern naval combat with most ships being a one hit KO. The concept of fighting a ship while damage parties keep the guns out of the water is mostly an obsolete idea with the current paper-thin ships. |
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Posted: 6/2/2022 9:07:42 PM EST
[#16]
Those don’t look like VTOL drones to me
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Posted: 6/2/2022 9:10:37 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Ace Combat prepared me for this Exactly |
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Posted: 6/2/2022 9:13:02 PM EST
[#18]
That's actually a very smart idea for them. They understand that they do not have the capability to launch manned aircraft off of their aircraft carriers.
We would be wise to employ similar technology |
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Posted: 6/2/2022 9:13:52 PM EST
[#19]
Don’t need a carrier for drones. Could fly those off a container ship.
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Posted: 6/2/2022 9:17:05 PM EST
[#20]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Interesting. A swarm of those could pose a real test to a ship's defenses. I thought that's what the Phalanx is for. |
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Posted: 6/2/2022 9:17:16 PM EST
[#21]
7 drones is a fleet?
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Posted: 6/2/2022 9:18:55 PM EST
[#22]
@CarmelBytheSea
Did you see the news today about China's Foreign Minister visiting several Pacific Island regions? China is offering support, money and free handouts to entice various pacific island nations to come over to the dark side. While the Western world is more interested in going woke, China is out winning the war without firing a shot. |
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Posted: 6/2/2022 9:24:25 PM EST
[#23]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Are we pretending China doesn't have a copy of SOSUS now? 
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Posted: 6/2/2022 9:24:39 PM EST
[#24]
Quote HistoryQuoted: @CarmelBytheSea Did you see the news today about China's Foreign Minister visiting several Pacific Island regions? China is offering support, money and free handouts to entice various pacific island nations to come over to the dark side. While the Western world is more interested in going woke, China is out winning the war without firing a shot. Saw article. Some Pacific island nations are telling China to fuck off but yeah China has racked up a few more than before. Australia and the US seem punch drunk in what to do and think threats are good enough to solve the issue. |
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Posted: 6/2/2022 9:25:52 PM EST
[#25]
SM-3 be like lol.
Show me hypersonic and it gets interesting. |
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Posted: 6/2/2022 9:30:05 PM EST
[#26]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Why would you want a carrier to launch drones? VTOL drones at that? Why not something a hell of a lot smaller, cheaper, and simpler? They could launch a shit load of them off of a carrier. A couple hundred drones could fuck some shit up at minimal cost. |
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Posted: 6/2/2022 9:33:48 PM EST
[#27]
Quote HistoryQuote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Are we pretending China doesn't have a copy of SOSUS now? https://cdn2.i-scmp.com/sites/default/files/images/methode/2018/01/22/1b0af2a4-ff69-11e7-b181-443655c1d2b1_image_hires_215800.jpg It's not going to help that the idiots in the Philippines just elected another Marcos (the son of Ferdinand and Imelda) as president (and Duterte's daughter as VP)- who's talked about wanted to develop closer ties to China. I miss living in the PI, but God I don't understand how they can be so stupid at times. 
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Posted: 6/2/2022 9:34:32 PM EST
[#28]
Fake
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Posted: 6/2/2022 9:36:04 PM EST
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Posted: 6/2/2022 9:36:48 PM EST
[#30]
Crazy thought: would it be possible to run a carrier dry and prevent flight ops using cheap drones and then actually board and capture it?
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Posted: 6/2/2022 9:37:44 PM EST
[#31]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I'm not sure NCOs matter much in modern naval combat with most ships being a one hit KO. The concept of fighting a ship while damage parties keep the guns out of the water is mostly an obsolete idea with the current paper-thin ships. 
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Posted: 6/2/2022 9:38:59 PM EST
[#32]
Quote HistoryQuoted: As of 2017ish? Their engines not so quiet but quiet engines and arctic patrols was on their wish list in 2017 so 2022? They will have more subs than us by 2027. No problem, we will have 10x the trannys. |
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Posted: 6/2/2022 9:40:45 PM EST
[#33]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I posted some data about the Chinese navy in other threads but half the posters here think they float around in junks still. They are very close to doubling our fleet, should be there in a year or two. The shipping building facilities only slowed due to coronavirus but I read somewhere they cleared up the work crews to get back to work while everyone in Shanghai is locked in their rooms. |
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Posted: 6/2/2022 9:41:55 PM EST
[#34]
??.
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Posted: 6/2/2022 9:43:12 PM EST
[#35]
Quote HistoryQuoted: 7 drones is a fleet? Very small fleet. |
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Posted: 6/2/2022 9:44:23 PM EST
[#36]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Add a few more Seawiz to the decks. I’ve seen them in action and they move like a Hollywood movie. Stupid fast and shoots stupid fast. Proximity fused 5" shells would likely be quite effective against a swarm of drones. |
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Posted: 6/2/2022 9:47:33 PM EST
[#37]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Interesting. A swarm of those could pose a real test to a ship's defenses. Low slow fliers of that size shouldn't tax a ships defense, even in large numbers. |
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Posted: 6/2/2022 9:48:48 PM EST
[#38]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Fake Maybe, but no reason for it to be, they're well known to operate lots of drones. As someone else said, it's a whole lot cheaper to have a room full of twenty-something year old video gamers flying drones than it is to train pilots and build aircraft capable of carrying them. Their AI is improving extremely quickly and they've made a lot of quick strides in their carriers as well. Heck thousands of Americans are operating inexpensive Chinese drones every day (DJI, etc) which the Chinese are supposedly collecting info from. |
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Posted: 6/2/2022 10:01:02 PM EST
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Posted: 6/2/2022 10:09:09 PM EST
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Posted: 6/2/2022 10:15:10 PM EST
[#41]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Are we pretending China doesn't have a copy of SOSUS now? Is GD going to take every piece of Chicom propaganda at face value luke the russians? Muh hypersonics! Before we all panic, look at the drones in question. Those arent going to swarm anything. |
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Posted: 6/2/2022 10:17:51 PM EST
[#42]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Low slow fliers of that size shouldn't tax a ships defense, even in large numbers. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Interesting. A swarm of those could pose a real test to a ship's defenses. Low slow fliers of that size shouldn't tax a ships defense, even in large numbers. I'd bet money they're using them to learn tactics and possibly for training drone pilots- you don't start out flying remote control aircraft with a ducted fan or jet, you start with something slow, predicable and forgiving like a Cessna foamie. Most of their drones look like copies of our stuff, largely surveillance stuff but they've also got the one that looks like a miniature B2 bomber, there's this thing https://nationalinterest.org/blog/buzz/china-building-supersonic-drones-spy-navy-aircraft-carriers-83466, they've got some attack helicopters, etc. They've got students in all of our universities, they've got employees in all of our companies, they're got Chinese magnet schools in our communities, etc. See also China's Thousand Talents Program. Just random links from a quick google search- they're put a lot of research into drones https://www.militarytech.news/2021-01-26-china-production-military-drones-rival-america.html https://www.motorbiscuit.com/terrifying-290-ft-chinese-robot-mothership-can-launch-swarms-autonomous-drones/ https://www.airuniversity.af.edu/CASI/Display/Article/1604410/china-is-making-1000-uav-drone-swarms-now/ https://www.fanaticalfuturist.com/2021/08/china-is-developing-hypersonic-ucav-swarms-to-overcome-missile-defenses/ https://nerdist.com/article/world-record-breaking-drone-swarm-china/ I think a lot of folks are underestimating them- we got run out of Afghanistan by a bunch of goat herders. China is near peer and expanding their land holdings further and further and while they have a poor track record in war, they're working to improve- and not worried about misgendering the person next to them or trying to convince their soldiers and sailors that somehow diversity is strength. I'm not saying we, along with Japan, S. Korea, Taiwan and Singapore (and Australia if they can unfook themselves from the Chinese; I wouldn't trust or count on New Zealand) couldn't beat them, but I fully expect we'll get a bloody nose in the process and we'll lose some ships and people. “There is no greater danger than underestimating your opponent.” ? Lao Tzu |
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Posted: 6/2/2022 10:18:06 PM EST
[#43]
WHOA. S-E-V-E-N drones on a boat designed to launch aircraft.
Fuck, we're in trouble. |
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Posted: 6/2/2022 10:28:01 PM EST
[#44]
Quote HistoryQuoted: WHOA. S-E-V-E-N drones on a boat designed to launch aircraft. Fuck, we're in trouble. They’re all in on AI so I’m kinda wondering if Beijing will fuck up and their AI starts doing dumb shit 
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Posted: 6/2/2022 10:28:45 PM EST
[#45]
When was the last time China was involved in any sort of semi-widespread warfare?
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Posted: 6/2/2022 10:43:23 PM EST
[#46]
Quote HistoryQuote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I'm not sure NCOs matter much in modern naval combat with most ships being a one hit KO. The concept of fighting a ship while damage parties keep the guns out of the water is mostly an obsolete idea with the current paper-thin ships. https://i.pinimg.com/originals/56/36/f7/5636f7c3737262e336c70cc73e81ac77.gif It was pretty eye opening to watch Russia lose ships to relatively speaking small attacks. The days of ships beating the shit out of each other with 16" gun hits and soaking up multiple torpedoes and bombs are over. |
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Posted: 6/2/2022 10:46:26 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Are we pretending China doesn't have a copy of SOSUS now? Quote HistoryQuoted: Are we pretending China doesn't have a copy of SOSUS now? We are. We hire Chinese nationals directly into Los Alamos. Without a doubt, what China knows about us that they shouldn't would easily make them equivalent to TS-SCI clearance. If their aircraft carrier has potable running water on it, they're far the fuck ahead of us there too. I feel overall like we're fat, happy, lazy and lax compared to how we were in the cold war years. |
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Posted: 6/2/2022 10:58:24 PM EST
[#48]
Quote HistoryQuoted: They could launch a shit load of them off of a carrier. A couple hundred drones could fuck some shit up at minimal cost. One would think by the time it was in range to launch a shitload of those vs a cbg they’d be in range of most of that group’s weapons. |
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Posted: 6/2/2022 11:46:12 PM EST
[#49]
Quote HistoryQuoted: When was the last time China was involved in any sort of semi-widespread warfare? Were in wars all the time yet Saigon 1975 and Kabul 2021. Who cares if the military is badass or woke ass when you have shitty civilian leadership in charge. Ask the WW2 Germans how the Nazi party and Hitler worked out for them. If war kicked off tomorrow, you think Pelosi and Biden are gonna take a back seat? |
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Posted: 6/2/2022 11:53:15 PM EST
[#50]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Were in wars all the time yet Saigon 1975 and Kabul 2021. Who cares if the military is badass or woke ass when you have shitty civilian leadership in charge. Ask the WW2 Germans how the Nazi party and Hitler worked out for them. If war kicked off tomorrow, you think Pelosi and Biden are gonna take a back seat? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: When was the last time China was involved in any sort of semi-widespread warfare? Were in wars all the time yet Saigon 1975 and Kabul 2021. Who cares if the military is badass or woke ass when you have shitty civilian leadership in charge. Ask the WW2 Germans how the Nazi party and Hitler worked out for them. If war kicked off tomorrow, you think Pelosi and Biden are gonna take a back seat? Based on what current and former military here as well as ones I know in person have said, I have little faith in most of the upper military leadership either. The powers that be seem to be doing their very best to run off actual warfighters and replace them with diversity and inclusion feel good appointments. I haven't heard anyone I thought had any sense speak positively about Austin or Miley.
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