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Link Posted: 12/16/2023 6:15:26 PM EDT
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I like riding, mostly MTB, but I'm on the road a lot too. I do understand how roadie groups can be a bit obnoxious when they stack 2 deep laterally into the road, I also know most of the guys that bitch about them are unfit....Roadie outfits are a bit much but to each his own.

I do however want to point out that this saddle is designed for roadies:

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Link Posted: 12/16/2023 6:22:04 PM EDT
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And half of you guys are fat and hairy and never train and buy guns and ammo on credit while posting on the internet your beliefs which you came to find in a echo chamber of other idiots who agree with you.

Who cares what other people do?  Thats what's really gay.
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User name checks out.

Ride in the drops. Hoods are for climbing.

Link Posted: 12/16/2023 6:23:54 PM EDT
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Link Posted: 12/16/2023 6:32:49 PM EDT
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No

GD just hates cyclists because they are dudes who care about being fit.
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Every freaking weekend .. they are on the streets of my neighborhood cycling in their full gay costumes.. are they bunch of fags ?
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No

GD just hates cyclists because they are dudes who care about being fit.


The fact that most are douchebag leftists probably doesn't help.
Link Posted: 12/16/2023 7:08:45 PM EDT
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And when the hell is the government going to require registration for bicycles ?
An easy and established revenue stream ready to be collected .
Then bicycle rider license requirements , safety inspections for bicycles , and insurance requirements .
And lastly a special bicycle police enforcement's force .
Link Posted: 12/16/2023 7:12:04 PM EDT
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And most gun owners are fat tubs of lard that live in moms basement.



See how that works?
Link Posted: 12/16/2023 7:14:12 PM EDT
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OP, do cyclist’s spandex clad undulating buttock’s trigger some repressed homosexual desires in you?
Link Posted: 12/16/2023 7:26:21 PM EDT
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Here's OP right now.

Link Posted: 12/16/2023 7:29:45 PM EDT
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Link Posted: 12/16/2023 7:31:32 PM EDT
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The fact that most are douchebag leftists probably doesn't help.
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Sounds like there are a ton of conservative cyclists in this thread.
Link Posted: 12/16/2023 7:35:18 PM EDT
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Millions of dollars for a green line here that the bike riders wanted spent. Still ride in the damn middle of the road.  I turned the windshield spray nozzle just a little bit and clean the windows from time to time on Saturday mornings while passing a pack.
Link Posted: 12/16/2023 7:39:56 PM EDT
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Not to mention beating off to AI porn of Lauren Boebert, while eating cheetos.
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mmmmmm

cheetos.
Link Posted: 12/16/2023 7:40:38 PM EDT
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You're not the typical GD member, brother?....
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Link Posted: 12/16/2023 7:47:06 PM EDT
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I see the CPAP crowd is awake from their diabetic nap.
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Hey, all those skin tags aren't gonna grow themselves...
Link Posted: 12/16/2023 7:54:58 PM EDT
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mmmmmm

cheetos.
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Link Posted: 12/16/2023 7:56:34 PM EDT
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For the record, streets were not invented for cars. They were invented for cyclists pedestrians and animals/animal drawn carts.
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Archeology doesn't agree with the 2 wheeler revisionist history.
People and ox carts are no longer on streets for a reason, time has moved on.
Bicycles on streets are an anachronism left over from the 1870's.

Link Posted: 12/16/2023 8:33:40 PM EDT
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I think it's funny that the people complaining about roadie spandex are the same fat fucks that show up at the range fully kitted out in their larper gear.  Train like you fight,  they say while jamming another snicker bars in their diabetic piehole.. you stuck at shooting. Go back to your mom's basement and play dungeonand dragons.
Link Posted: 12/16/2023 8:34:41 PM EDT
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Archeology doesn't agree with the 2 wheeler revisionist history.
People and ox carts are no longer on streets for a reason, time has moved on.
Bicycles on streets are an anachronism left over from the 1870's.

https://c8.alamy.com/comp/FFD2K0/bicycle-c1875-na-penny-farthing-bicycle-wood-engraving-c1875-FFD2K0.jpg
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I am guessing you are neither a history scholar nor someone who has access to google search.  
Link Posted: 12/16/2023 8:37:33 PM EDT
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Strait as an arrow
Link Posted: 12/16/2023 8:38:47 PM EDT
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Archeology doesn't agree with the 2 wheeler revisionist history.
People and ox carts are no longer on streets for a reason, time has moved on.
Bicycles on streets are an anachronism left over from the 1870's.

https://c8.alamy.com/comp/FFD2K0/bicycle-c1875-na-penny-farthing-bicycle-wood-engraving-c1875-FFD2K0.jpg
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https://www.whatitmeanstobeamerican.org/engagements/how-bikes-helped-invent-american-highways/



Before there were cars, America’s country roads were unpaved, and they were abysmal. Back then, roads were so unreliable for travelers that most state maps didn’t even show them. This all started to change when early cyclists came together to transform some U.S. travel routes, and lay the groundwork for the interstate highways we use today.

Through the 1880s, spring and fall rains routinely turned dirt lanes into impassable mud pits that brought rural life to a standstill, stranding farmers at home with their produce and leaving grocers’ shelves bare. In the summer, the roads bore deep, sunbaked ruts; in the winter, treacherous ice slicks. The nearby farmers who were responsible for maintaining these roads didn’t have the means or desire to pave them, or even to post signs identifying them.

City streets weren’t much better. Though many were paved with cobblestones or wood blocks, they were also slashed through with trolley tracks and scattered with trash and horse manure. In 1892, British novelist Rudyard Kipling savaged New York’s “slatternly pavement” in a travel essay, calling the city’s uneven, stinky streets “first cousins to a Zanzibar foreshore.”
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As soon as American cyclists began riding high-wheelers outdoors, they began kvetching about the roadways. “The majority [of Americans] do not know what a good road is,” wrote one rider in 1882, “and their horses—who do know and could explain the differences in roads—are debarred from speaking.”

Cyclists, however, could speak— and organize. Since high-wheel bicycles cost many times the average tradesman’s weekly wages, they were affordable only to the well-to-do, and the first bicycle clubs were upper-crusty fraternities for racing and socializing.

The groups quickly developed a political agenda, as cyclists had to fight for the right to ride. Police routinely stopped riders and shooed them off city streets, inspiring cyclists to join together and press for access to public thoroughfares. A national coalition of clubs called the League of American Wheelmen (LAW) came to lead these efforts.

Early court cases went against bikers. In 1881, three cyclists who defied a ban on riding in New York’s Central Park were jailed. But the cyclists eventually prevailed, and in 1890, the landmark Kansas case Swift v. Topeka established bicycles as vehicles with the same road rights as any other conveyance.

By then, the bicycle had undergone another transformation. Makers had discovered that, by using a chain and sprockets, they could make a wheel rotate more than once with each turn of the pedals. Wheels got smaller again, seats got closer to the ground, and the so-called “safety bicycle” — cushioned by new, air-filled tires — started selling like mad. A safety bicycle looked pretty much like a modern commuter bike, and by the early 1890s, more than a million Americans were riding them. With that many cyclists on the road, the demand for smoother roadways began to go mainstream.

Farmers weren’t on board yet, though. If better roads meant more unpaid work for them, most preferred the status quo. But then cyclists launched a full-bore PR campaign, one of the first of the modern era. Both in books and in a new monthly magazine called Good Roads, the LAW made the case to farmers in pocketbook terms.

Because pulling loaded wagons through muck or over ruts required extra horsepower, American farmers owned and fed at least two million more horses than they would need if the roads were smooth, LAW official Isaac B. Potter informed his rural reader. “A bad road is really the most expensive thing in your agricultural outfit,” he wrote. Potter argued that farmers deserved a cut of their urban countrymen’s taxes to pay for road paving. Many farmers were convinced, and began to work with cyclists to lobby state and local governments for better roads.

In mid-1892, Colonel Albert A. Pope, a leading bicycle manufacturer, printed thousands of copies of a petition demanding that Congress create a federal department to promote “knowledge in the art of constructing and maintaining roads.” He enlisted cyclists’ help to collect signatures and return signed copies, which he pasted into an enormous scroll.

Pope delivered this scroll to the U.S. Capitol in 1893, displaying it on a pair of hand-cranked oak spools that stood seven feet high. The so-called “monster petition,” now housed in the National Archives, bore 150,000 signatures. That same year, Congress authorized the creation of the Office of Road Inquiry, a two-man fact-finding operation that was a precursor to the Federal Highway Administration.

In 1896, the U.S. Postal Service further boosted rural support for good roads by launching the first rural free delivery routes. Rather than having to trek miles over iffy roads to the nearest post office to check for mail, farmers could now receive the same daily drop-off service as city residents. The catch was that the postmaster would authorize home delivery only if the local roads were passable, a strong incentive for farmers to see that they were.

As roads improved, city-dwellers increasingly used bikes to explore the flyover country of their day: the terra incognita between railroad stations. Wayside inns that had averaged one guest a week for years were suddenly overrun with wheelmen, some of whom installed signposts and created road maps to help other cyclists find their way.

This didn’t last long, though. By the end of the 1890s, the bicycle boom had collapsed, and fashionable swells had moved on to other passions. Working people in cities still used bikes for commuting or making deliveries, but the touring fad and the power of the bicycle lobby were done. Nevertheless, when automobile tourists took to the roads in large numbers in the 1910s and 1920s, they often found the way marked, mapped, and paved by cyclists who had come before.




Your welcome.
Link Posted: 12/16/2023 8:39:30 PM EDT
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Lmao

Man crashes scooter into gate
Link Posted: 12/16/2023 8:39:37 PM EDT
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Who was the member with the Lars Boom avatar?


Link Posted: 12/17/2023 9:22:16 PM EDT
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I could almost understand the real competitive ones that ride on the side of the road, not quite understand but almost, but what I don't get is why an elderly dude who is casually riding at 5-10mph needs to also be on the road when there is a perfectly good sidewalk 5 feet to high right? Makes no sense to me. I see this shit all the time, casual bike riders going 5-10mph putting their lives at risk by riding on the side of the road when there's a sidewalk just FEET away.

Usually, I roll down my window and yell at them to get off the fucking road before they get run over.

If you are a competitive hard core bike-bro and eeking every last ounce out of your rig fine I get it. Al least you are risking your life for some high performance application.  I still don't agree but it's your life to risk not mine. But the old people and casual bikers puttering along on the side really make me laugh. Get on the sidewalk FFS LoL.
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Mostly because in many counties and cities here it is illegal to ride a bike on the sidewalk if there is a bike lane.  Some places it is just forbidden.  You are just the typical butthole that feels the need to yell at cyclists.I train on the road, but prefer mountain biking by a long shot. To many close calls on the road. Florida has a four foot law, and there are many who try to just brush you with their mirrors. Wouldn't surprise me if some are on here right now.
Link Posted: 12/17/2023 9:51:32 PM EDT
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No

GD just hates cyclists because they are dudes who care about being fit.
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Every freaking weekend .. they are on the streets of my neighborhood cycling in their full gay costumes.. are they bunch of fags ?
 

No

GD just hates cyclists because they are dudes who care about being fit.
Cycling is the gayest way to be fit. Try boxing. It's for men
Link Posted: 12/17/2023 9:54:05 PM EDT
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Cycling is the gayest way to be fit. Try boxing. It's for men
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BJJ is really the gayest way.   Rolling around in the ground with other men.   Tactical hugging
Link Posted: 12/17/2023 10:00:10 PM EDT
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Link Posted: 12/17/2023 10:04:58 PM EDT
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https://www.whatitmeanstobeamerican.org/engagements/how-bikes-helped-invent-american-highways/



Before there were cars, America's country roads were unpaved, and they were abysmal. Back then, roads were so unreliable for travelers that most state maps didn't even show them. This all started to change when early cyclists came together to transform some U.S. travel routes, and lay the groundwork for the interstate highways we use today.

Through the 1880s, spring and fall rains routinely turned dirt lanes into impassable mud pits that brought rural life to a standstill, stranding farmers at home with their produce and leaving grocers' shelves bare. In the summer, the roads bore deep, sunbaked ruts; in the winter, treacherous ice slicks. The nearby farmers who were responsible for maintaining these roads didn't have the means or desire to pave them, or even to post signs identifying them.

City streets weren't much better. Though many were paved with cobblestones or wood blocks, they were also slashed through with trolley tracks and scattered with trash and horse manure. In 1892, British novelist Rudyard Kipling savaged New York's "slatternly pavement" in a travel essay, calling the city's uneven, stinky streets "first cousins to a Zanzibar foreshore."
.....

As soon as American cyclists began riding high-wheelers outdoors, they began kvetching about the roadways. "The majority [of Americans] do not know what a good road is," wrote one rider in 1882, "and their horses who do know and could explain the differences in roads are debarred from speaking."

Cyclists, however, could speak  and organize. Since high-wheel bicycles cost many times the average tradesman's weekly wages, they were affordable only to the well-to-do, and the first bicycle clubs were upper-crusty fraternities for racing and socializing.

The groups quickly developed a political agenda, as cyclists had to fight for the right to ride. Police routinely stopped riders and shooed them off city streets, inspiring cyclists to join together and press for access to public thoroughfares. A national coalition of clubs called the League of American Wheelmen (LAW) came to lead these efforts.

Early court cases went against bikers. In 1881, three cyclists who defied a ban on riding in New York's Central Park were jailed. But the cyclists eventually prevailed, and in 1890, the landmark Kansas case Swift v. Topeka established bicycles as vehicles with the same road rights as any other conveyance.

By then, the bicycle had undergone another transformation. Makers had discovered that, by using a chain and sprockets, they could make a wheel rotate more than once with each turn of the pedals. Wheels got smaller again, seats got closer to the ground, and the so-called "safety bicycle"   cushioned by new, air-filled tires   started selling like mad. A safety bicycle looked pretty much like a modern commuter bike, and by the early 1890s, more than a million Americans were riding them. With that many cyclists on the road, the demand for smoother roadways began to go mainstream.

Farmers weren't on board yet, though. If better roads meant more unpaid work for them, most preferred the status quo. But then cyclists launched a full-bore PR campaign, one of the first of the modern era. Both in books and in a new monthly magazine called Good Roads, the LAW made the case to farmers in pocketbook terms.

Because pulling loaded wagons through muck or over ruts required extra horsepower, American farmers owned and fed at least two million more horses than they would need if the roads were smooth, LAW official Isaac B. Potter informed his rural reader. "A bad road is really the most expensive thing in your agricultural outfit," he wrote. Potter argued that farmers deserved a cut of their urban countrymen's taxes to pay for road paving. Many farmers were convinced, and began to work with cyclists to lobby state and local governments for better roads.

In mid-1892, Colonel Albert A. Pope, a leading bicycle manufacturer, printed thousands of copies of a petition demanding that Congress create a federal department to promote "knowledge in the art of constructing and maintaining roads." He enlisted cyclists' help to collect signatures and return signed copies, which he pasted into an enormous scroll.

Pope delivered this scroll to the U.S. Capitol in 1893, displaying it on a pair of hand-cranked oak spools that stood seven feet high. The so-called "monster petition," now housed in the National Archives, bore 150,000 signatures. That same year, Congress authorized the creation of the Office of Road Inquiry, a two-man fact-finding operation that was a precursor to the Federal Highway Administration.

In 1896, the U.S. Postal Service further boosted rural support for good roads by launching the first rural free delivery routes. Rather than having to trek miles over iffy roads to the nearest post office to check for mail, farmers could now receive the same daily drop-off service as city residents. The catch was that the postmaster would authorize home delivery only if the local roads were passable, a strong incentive for farmers to see that they were.

As roads improved, city-dwellers increasingly used bikes to explore the flyover country of their day: the terra incognita between railroad stations. Wayside inns that had averaged one guest a week for years were suddenly overrun with wheelmen, some of whom installed signposts and created road maps to help other cyclists find their way.

This didn't last long, though. By the end of the 1890s, the bicycle boom had collapsed, and fashionable swells had moved on to other passions. Working people in cities still used bikes for commuting or making deliveries, but the touring fad and the power of the bicycle lobby were done. Nevertheless, when automobile tourists took to the roads in large numbers in the 1910s and 1920s, they often found the way marked, mapped, and paved by cyclists who had come before.




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Archeology doesn't agree with the 2 wheeler revisionist history.
People and ox carts are no longer on streets for a reason, time has moved on.
Bicycles on streets are an anachronism left over from the 1870's.

https://c8.alamy.com/comp/FFD2K0/bicycle-c1875-na-penny-farthing-bicycle-wood-engraving-c1875-FFD2K0.jpg



https://www.whatitmeanstobeamerican.org/engagements/how-bikes-helped-invent-american-highways/



Before there were cars, America's country roads were unpaved, and they were abysmal. Back then, roads were so unreliable for travelers that most state maps didn't even show them. This all started to change when early cyclists came together to transform some U.S. travel routes, and lay the groundwork for the interstate highways we use today.

Through the 1880s, spring and fall rains routinely turned dirt lanes into impassable mud pits that brought rural life to a standstill, stranding farmers at home with their produce and leaving grocers' shelves bare. In the summer, the roads bore deep, sunbaked ruts; in the winter, treacherous ice slicks. The nearby farmers who were responsible for maintaining these roads didn't have the means or desire to pave them, or even to post signs identifying them.

City streets weren't much better. Though many were paved with cobblestones or wood blocks, they were also slashed through with trolley tracks and scattered with trash and horse manure. In 1892, British novelist Rudyard Kipling savaged New York's "slatternly pavement" in a travel essay, calling the city's uneven, stinky streets "first cousins to a Zanzibar foreshore."
.....

As soon as American cyclists began riding high-wheelers outdoors, they began kvetching about the roadways. "The majority [of Americans] do not know what a good road is," wrote one rider in 1882, "and their horses who do know and could explain the differences in roads are debarred from speaking."

Cyclists, however, could speak  and organize. Since high-wheel bicycles cost many times the average tradesman's weekly wages, they were affordable only to the well-to-do, and the first bicycle clubs were upper-crusty fraternities for racing and socializing.

The groups quickly developed a political agenda, as cyclists had to fight for the right to ride. Police routinely stopped riders and shooed them off city streets, inspiring cyclists to join together and press for access to public thoroughfares. A national coalition of clubs called the League of American Wheelmen (LAW) came to lead these efforts.

Early court cases went against bikers. In 1881, three cyclists who defied a ban on riding in New York's Central Park were jailed. But the cyclists eventually prevailed, and in 1890, the landmark Kansas case Swift v. Topeka established bicycles as vehicles with the same road rights as any other conveyance.

By then, the bicycle had undergone another transformation. Makers had discovered that, by using a chain and sprockets, they could make a wheel rotate more than once with each turn of the pedals. Wheels got smaller again, seats got closer to the ground, and the so-called "safety bicycle"   cushioned by new, air-filled tires   started selling like mad. A safety bicycle looked pretty much like a modern commuter bike, and by the early 1890s, more than a million Americans were riding them. With that many cyclists on the road, the demand for smoother roadways began to go mainstream.

Farmers weren't on board yet, though. If better roads meant more unpaid work for them, most preferred the status quo. But then cyclists launched a full-bore PR campaign, one of the first of the modern era. Both in books and in a new monthly magazine called Good Roads, the LAW made the case to farmers in pocketbook terms.

Because pulling loaded wagons through muck or over ruts required extra horsepower, American farmers owned and fed at least two million more horses than they would need if the roads were smooth, LAW official Isaac B. Potter informed his rural reader. "A bad road is really the most expensive thing in your agricultural outfit," he wrote. Potter argued that farmers deserved a cut of their urban countrymen's taxes to pay for road paving. Many farmers were convinced, and began to work with cyclists to lobby state and local governments for better roads.

In mid-1892, Colonel Albert A. Pope, a leading bicycle manufacturer, printed thousands of copies of a petition demanding that Congress create a federal department to promote "knowledge in the art of constructing and maintaining roads." He enlisted cyclists' help to collect signatures and return signed copies, which he pasted into an enormous scroll.

Pope delivered this scroll to the U.S. Capitol in 1893, displaying it on a pair of hand-cranked oak spools that stood seven feet high. The so-called "monster petition," now housed in the National Archives, bore 150,000 signatures. That same year, Congress authorized the creation of the Office of Road Inquiry, a two-man fact-finding operation that was a precursor to the Federal Highway Administration.

In 1896, the U.S. Postal Service further boosted rural support for good roads by launching the first rural free delivery routes. Rather than having to trek miles over iffy roads to the nearest post office to check for mail, farmers could now receive the same daily drop-off service as city residents. The catch was that the postmaster would authorize home delivery only if the local roads were passable, a strong incentive for farmers to see that they were.

As roads improved, city-dwellers increasingly used bikes to explore the flyover country of their day: the terra incognita between railroad stations. Wayside inns that had averaged one guest a week for years were suddenly overrun with wheelmen, some of whom installed signposts and created road maps to help other cyclists find their way.

This didn't last long, though. By the end of the 1890s, the bicycle boom had collapsed, and fashionable swells had moved on to other passions. Working people in cities still used bikes for commuting or making deliveries, but the touring fad and the power of the bicycle lobby were done. Nevertheless, when automobile tourists took to the roads in large numbers in the 1910s and 1920s, they often found the way marked, mapped, and paved by cyclists who had come before.




Your welcome.
That entire article is revisionist bullshit.
You're welcome
Link Posted: 12/17/2023 10:12:43 PM EDT
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Friends of mine talked about doing that - in high school in the mid ‘80’s………..

Grow up.
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That entire article is revisionist bullshit.
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Archeology doesn't agree with the 2 wheeler revisionist history.
People and ox carts are no longer on streets for a reason, time has moved on.
Bicycles on streets are an anachronism left over from the 1870's.

https://c8.alamy.com/comp/FFD2K0/bicycle-c1875-na-penny-farthing-bicycle-wood-engraving-c1875-FFD2K0.jpg



https://www.whatitmeanstobeamerican.org/engagements/how-bikes-helped-invent-american-highways/



Before there were cars, America's country roads were unpaved, and they were abysmal. Back then, roads were so unreliable for travelers that most state maps didn't even show them. This all started to change when early cyclists came together to transform some U.S. travel routes, and lay the groundwork for the interstate highways we use today.

Through the 1880s, spring and fall rains routinely turned dirt lanes into impassable mud pits that brought rural life to a standstill, stranding farmers at home with their produce and leaving grocers' shelves bare. In the summer, the roads bore deep, sunbaked ruts; in the winter, treacherous ice slicks. The nearby farmers who were responsible for maintaining these roads didn't have the means or desire to pave them, or even to post signs identifying them.

City streets weren't much better. Though many were paved with cobblestones or wood blocks, they were also slashed through with trolley tracks and scattered with trash and horse manure. In 1892, British novelist Rudyard Kipling savaged New York's "slatternly pavement" in a travel essay, calling the city's uneven, stinky streets "first cousins to a Zanzibar foreshore."
.....

As soon as American cyclists began riding high-wheelers outdoors, they began kvetching about the roadways. "The majority [of Americans] do not know what a good road is," wrote one rider in 1882, "and their horses who do know and could explain the differences in roads are debarred from speaking."

Cyclists, however, could speak  and organize. Since high-wheel bicycles cost many times the average tradesman's weekly wages, they were affordable only to the well-to-do, and the first bicycle clubs were upper-crusty fraternities for racing and socializing.

The groups quickly developed a political agenda, as cyclists had to fight for the right to ride. Police routinely stopped riders and shooed them off city streets, inspiring cyclists to join together and press for access to public thoroughfares. A national coalition of clubs called the League of American Wheelmen (LAW) came to lead these efforts.

Early court cases went against bikers. In 1881, three cyclists who defied a ban on riding in New York's Central Park were jailed. But the cyclists eventually prevailed, and in 1890, the landmark Kansas case Swift v. Topeka established bicycles as vehicles with the same road rights as any other conveyance.

By then, the bicycle had undergone another transformation. Makers had discovered that, by using a chain and sprockets, they could make a wheel rotate more than once with each turn of the pedals. Wheels got smaller again, seats got closer to the ground, and the so-called "safety bicycle"   cushioned by new, air-filled tires   started selling like mad. A safety bicycle looked pretty much like a modern commuter bike, and by the early 1890s, more than a million Americans were riding them. With that many cyclists on the road, the demand for smoother roadways began to go mainstream.

Farmers weren't on board yet, though. If better roads meant more unpaid work for them, most preferred the status quo. But then cyclists launched a full-bore PR campaign, one of the first of the modern era. Both in books and in a new monthly magazine called Good Roads, the LAW made the case to farmers in pocketbook terms.

Because pulling loaded wagons through muck or over ruts required extra horsepower, American farmers owned and fed at least two million more horses than they would need if the roads were smooth, LAW official Isaac B. Potter informed his rural reader. "A bad road is really the most expensive thing in your agricultural outfit," he wrote. Potter argued that farmers deserved a cut of their urban countrymen's taxes to pay for road paving. Many farmers were convinced, and began to work with cyclists to lobby state and local governments for better roads.

In mid-1892, Colonel Albert A. Pope, a leading bicycle manufacturer, printed thousands of copies of a petition demanding that Congress create a federal department to promote "knowledge in the art of constructing and maintaining roads." He enlisted cyclists' help to collect signatures and return signed copies, which he pasted into an enormous scroll.

Pope delivered this scroll to the U.S. Capitol in 1893, displaying it on a pair of hand-cranked oak spools that stood seven feet high. The so-called "monster petition," now housed in the National Archives, bore 150,000 signatures. That same year, Congress authorized the creation of the Office of Road Inquiry, a two-man fact-finding operation that was a precursor to the Federal Highway Administration.

In 1896, the U.S. Postal Service further boosted rural support for good roads by launching the first rural free delivery routes. Rather than having to trek miles over iffy roads to the nearest post office to check for mail, farmers could now receive the same daily drop-off service as city residents. The catch was that the postmaster would authorize home delivery only if the local roads were passable, a strong incentive for farmers to see that they were.

As roads improved, city-dwellers increasingly used bikes to explore the flyover country of their day: the terra incognita between railroad stations. Wayside inns that had averaged one guest a week for years were suddenly overrun with wheelmen, some of whom installed signposts and created road maps to help other cyclists find their way.

This didn't last long, though. By the end of the 1890s, the bicycle boom had collapsed, and fashionable swells had moved on to other passions. Working people in cities still used bikes for commuting or making deliveries, but the touring fad and the power of the bicycle lobby were done. Nevertheless, when automobile tourists took to the roads in large numbers in the 1910s and 1920s, they often found the way marked, mapped, and paved by cyclists who had come before.




Your welcome.
That entire article is revisionist bullshit.
You're welcome


Link to peer reviewed article proving its revisionist bullshit?
Link Posted: 12/18/2023 12:55:35 AM EDT
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No

GD just hates cyclists because they are dudes who care about being fit.
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No

GD hates cyclists because they are fucking douchenozzles who try to commandeer the roadway by riding 5 wide and then pitch a fit if you dare dry by or heaven forbid say something.  

Personally, I like watching the brodozers roll coal on them.  Hilarious every single time.

Fuck them.
Link Posted: 12/18/2023 12:58:46 AM EDT
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No

GD hates cyclists because they are fucking douchenozzles who try to commandeer the roadway by riding 5 wide and then pitch a fit if you dare dry by or heaven forbid say something.  

Personally, I like watching the brodozers roll coal on them.  Hilarious every single time.

Fuck them.
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And they live in your head, the rage explodes every time you see or hear about them.

Perhaps it's not the cyclists thats the cause of your anger, just a focus for it?
Link Posted: 12/18/2023 1:25:33 AM EDT
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They don't live in my head. They ride 5 wide on the streets in giant groups wearing tights. They force the motorists to deal with their bullshit.  

But I get it. It's serious business and the road is theirs!!! Right
Keep pulling that shit till someone inevitably gets too pissed off and runs another group of them down in a fit of rage....and I will laugh and laugh.

If you act like a fucktard on your "cycle" and want to purposely mess with traffic because your narcissism has reached critical mass, then you deserve what you get.


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Riding on the sidewalk is illegal in almost every municipal code.

For the record, streets were not invented for cars. They were invented for cyclists. But vehicle drivers don't understand that they are legally required to share the road with cyclists, and that cyclists get the right of way in most situations. It's simply pure ignorance and they choose to get all torqued up over it. It's pretty funny how petty half the country is. Y'all cry like a bunch of leftist liberals that hate freedom.
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Link Posted: 12/18/2023 2:47:01 AM EDT
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They don't live in my head. They ride 5 wide on the streets in giant groups wearing tights. They force the motorists to deal with their bullshit.  

But I get it. It's serious business and the road is theirs!!! Right
Keep pulling that shit till someone inevitably gets too pissed off and runs another group of them down in a fit of rage....and I will laugh and laugh.

If you act like a fucktard on your "cycle" and want to purposely mess with traffic because your narcissism has reached critical mass, then you deserve what you get.


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You fixate on them wearing tights but they don’t live in your head rent free - right………..

Can’t recall seeing cyclists riding five wide except on legitimate organized charity rides with traffic control or Critical Mass shenanigans in SF/LA on the news. IME it’s either RV’s or farm equipment holding up traffic - bicycles are easy to pass safely.
Link Posted: 12/18/2023 2:50:01 AM EDT
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Road cyclists = gay (the French, am I right?)

Mountain bikers = not gay (well... I'm sure a few non-French are gay)

Mtn bikers who dress like road cyclists = gayest... as in French-squared
Link Posted: 12/18/2023 3:31:52 AM EDT
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Spectate or participate in a crit. Even the gayest of dudes in the pack is full on testosterone raging. I don’t do crits anymore but when I did everyone was Dale Earnhardt or Swervin Ervin for 20 minutes.
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That pretty much illustrates the attitude of the average road cyclist.

Acts like a douche, and is the idol of other road cyclists because of it.

Mountain bikers are normally cool, and polite though.
Link Posted: 12/18/2023 9:50:13 AM EDT
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Road cyclists = gay (the French, am I right?)

Mountain bikers = not gay (well... I'm sure a few non-French are gay)

Mtn bikers who dress like road cyclists = gayest... as in French-squared
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I’d rather mountain bike, and do, but when you need a couple hours of training a day, 7 days a week, driving 20-45 minutes back and forth to a mountain bike trail really starts eating in to a  daily schedule.

And 40mph on a road bike is a pretty good time to be honest.
Link Posted: 12/18/2023 10:11:35 AM EDT
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good for people staying fit, but I hate them because I dont want to hit one.  I must live in the bike capital of american 7 months out of the year.  They are everywhere, back road. hilly, curvy, no shoulder, crest a hill there they are 3 wide, truck in opposite lane. Dawn and dusk with no lights.  Millions spent on rails to trails bike paths, but ride on road right next to one. Run every red light and stop sign.  I think those blinking stobe lights should be law they catch your attention.  Ill stick to cross country skiing, hiking and distance swimming for staying in shape, I wouldnt ride a bike on the road and trust every driver to see me, its bad enough on my motorcycle.  Stay fit and stay safe.
Link Posted: 12/18/2023 10:14:53 AM EDT
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They don't live in my head. They ride 5 wide on the streets in giant groups wearing tights. They force the motorists to deal with their bullshit.  

But I get it. It's serious business and the road is theirs!!! Right
Keep pulling that shit till someone inevitably gets too pissed off and runs another group of them down in a fit of rage....and I will laugh and laugh.

If you act like a fucktard on your "cycle" and want to purposely mess with traffic because your narcissism has reached critical mass, then you deserve what you get.


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Anyone else you think is OK to kill because they delay your day?  

You are the reason there are red flag laws.  Learn to control your emotions like an adult
Link Posted: 12/18/2023 10:39:07 AM EDT
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good for people staying fit, but I hate them because I dont want to hit one.  I must live in the bike capital of american 7 months out of the year.  They are everywhere, back road. hilly, curvy, no shoulder, crest a hill there they are 3 wide, truck in opposite lane. Dawn and dusk with no lights.  Millions spent on rails to trails bike paths, but ride on road right next to one. Run every red light and stop sign.  I think those blinking stobe lights should be law they catch your attention.  Ill stick to cross country skiing, hiking and distance swimming for staying in shape, I wouldnt ride a bike on the road and trust every driver to see me, its bad enough on my motorcycle.  Stay fit and stay safe.
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Cyclists should obey traffic laws, and take the effort to be seen.
Link Posted: 12/18/2023 10:49:47 AM EDT
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It isn't cyclists. Anybody that goes 20 mph on a 55 mph road is an entitled piece of shit that doesn't belong on the road.
Link Posted: 12/18/2023 10:51:39 AM EDT
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I don't know about other parts of the country, but around here they're mostly entitled fuck faces.
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And when the hell is the government going to require registration for bicycles ?
An easy and established revenue stream ready to be collected .
Then bicycle rider license requirements , safety inspections for bicycles , and insurance requirements .
And lastly a special bicycle police enforcement's force .http://bestdemotivationalposters.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/BICYCLE-POLICE-You-are-under-arrest-now-get-your-ass-in-the-basket-best-demotivational-posters.jpg
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Help me Daddy government!
Link Posted: 12/18/2023 11:08:45 AM EDT
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Like the guys prancing around the range in their plate carrier's and Crye pants... that kind of gay?
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Not quite that gay.
Link Posted: 12/18/2023 11:10:21 AM EDT
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If you were a cyclist would you get angry if a group of vehicles were driving in front of you at half your speed or less and you could not safely pass them?
Of course you would.

Now you know how motor vehicle drivers feel.

The cyclists that ride single file close to the edge of the road are not the problem.
Rather the problem is the 3 to 5 wide group that will not ride single file to allow faster traffic to flow.
Link Posted: 12/18/2023 11:11:33 AM EDT
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You all think cyclist’s tight clothing makes them gay?  In that case, all of those football players you idolize are gay AF.
Link Posted: 12/18/2023 11:26:08 AM EDT
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Wow so many tough edge lords

I like cycling, keeps me feeling young and free even in my 50's.

If you don't like it you can kiss my firm spandex covered butt
Link Posted: 12/18/2023 11:26:59 AM EDT
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lol, I used to ride a lot. I raced MTB on a team and trained 90% on the road. Fairly consistent 2nd and 3rd place finisher. In all my years I met one who prefered to be ridden. I do find it annoying when they take up space in traffic and I was never one of those guys. One of the best parts of cycling was the fit & trim female riders we would hang out with. I miss those days.
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