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Posted: 9/20/2019 2:40:16 PM EDT
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For a segment of aviation perhaps. For a chartered flight were the plane sits waiting the return-very likely good to go. But if it needs to be back flying with another load of passengers ever 30 minutes-maybe less so
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Posted: 9/20/2019 2:43:42 PM EDT
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Battery tech is improving and will continue to improve In the last 5 years Tesla has added about 50% increase in range and reduced charging time by about 35% |
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Posted: 9/20/2019 2:50:04 PM EDT
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Shh, we don't talk about that. Electricity comes from the wall, just like food comes from the grocery store. These cherry picked cannonball runs mean nothing, electric cars are not practical for long distance driving. If I can do some cherry picking of my own, look at New York to Seattle. 42hrs in a normal car. Standard range Model X takes 69hrs and a 250 mile detour to find superchargers. This trip might not even be possible in winter. Assuming 10hrs/day driving, you're slightly faster than a bicycle. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Where is the massive amount of extra electricity going to come from? We already have problems supplying enough power to areas with higher populations when it gets hot. Charge over night when the grid is less stressed? Don't you think it would be stressed if a shit ton of people plug in their cars before heading to bed? These cherry picked cannonball runs mean nothing, electric cars are not practical for long distance driving. If I can do some cherry picking of my own, look at New York to Seattle. 42hrs in a normal car. Standard range Model X takes 69hrs and a 250 mile detour to find superchargers. This trip might not even be possible in winter. Assuming 10hrs/day driving, you're slightly faster than a bicycle. Nuclear is the only answer, but we lost our manufacturing knowledge and due to the NIMBY and regulatory costs we probably won't see a new one until if/when natural gas goes high. In short, feel good you libs, your electric is really running on coal, fuel or natural gas. Solar doesn't provide at nighttime/winter/cloudy and needs a $hit ton of batteries to make it reliable. Even when you get it in a sunny climate the heat (like here in AZ) sucks some of the efficiency. Wind is not reliable. |
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Posted: 9/20/2019 2:55:17 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Japan is betting on Hydrogen to hedge that, but they will not give up IC engines as nothing comes close to the being able to supply the amount of energy needed to keep major economies ticking along and moving. I agree, and I doubt EV's will ever take over, they will be supplemental. MB engines are really good, they can afford to not invest for 5 to 10 years and play with hybrid systems and keep their politicians placated. That is what I read into this. Oil is the lubricator of the world, nothing can change that no matter how green the fluffers lips are! Toyota strategically chose the Hybrid path, rather than full EV, as it allowed the best use of the limited current production of batts. Batt production is sufficient for something like 25k EV vs 1.5 million hybrids. They chose 1.5M units. Killman pointed that out explicitly during Geneva. Toyota will try to sell you on carbon emissions, but there's a huge profit motive. But it's also developed a very mature tech base to leverage. The reason we have the Supra is because BMW needed Toyota competency in batteries, systems and motors. Sok trade 
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Posted: 9/20/2019 3:02:19 PM EDT
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1908-“hey mister livery stable owner, what do you think of mr fords fancy affordable horseless carriage?” -livery stable owner “it’s pretty neat, it’s cool it’s faster than a horse and all but only in a straight line. And once it’s out of gas my horse will keep on going. I mean look, there are only a few gas stations around so how are you going to refuel it? And besides that, it’s really only good if you live in a big city. If you want drive it long distance there is the gas station issue and what roads are you going to drive it on? There are only a few smooth enough to not beat the car to pieces. And another thing, where is mr ford going to get all that steel for his cars? The supply chain is constrained by the building industry buying it all up for those big buildings. And what about the rubber for all those tires? Only X amount of rubber is produced a year and it’s pretty much spoken for.....and the oil and gas companies are pretty much tapped out in their refining capacity. They can never handle fuel for any significant number of those fancy cars. I’m not worried in the least bit they are kind of cool. Even if, I’ve still got farmers bringing their crops to town. No car can ever replace that plus they need those horses to work their fields. Cars can’t plow fields” Fast forward 12 years to the 1920s when Americans bought 26 million cars and 3 million trucks. Plus tractors I’m certain there were tons of “cling to your horse” folks that made these arguments And to me those arguments seem really familiar |
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Posted: 9/20/2019 3:09:11 PM EDT
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This is the other problem besides battery density. Not everyone lives in a house and even if they do can they afford a multiple thousand dollar 220v DC charger and re-wire? What apartment complex, business or company is going to bear the cost to install in parking garages and other locations "for free" it's going to costly and be spendy. To say nothing of transformer and grid upgrades for those chargers. Nuclear is the only answer, but we lost our manufacturing knowledge and due to the NIMBY and regulatory costs we probably won't see a new one until if/when natural gas goes high. In short, feel good you libs, your electric is really running on coal, fuel or natural gas. Solar doesn't provide at nighttime/winter/cloudy and needs a $hit ton of batteries to make it reliable. Even when you get it in a sunny climate the heat (like here in AZ) sucks some of the efficiency. Wind is not reliable. Current use is marginal tho, with little increase, so I have plenty of capacity for the foreseeable future. Had virtually no use on a student housing asset that's since been sold. Which I found surprising. I doubt I'll be retrofitting my legacy properties anytime soon. Def sizzle not steak. That said if you asked me 15 years ago if I'd have multiple charge stations (or private electrical infrastructure) on my properties by now, I'd have given it a low probability. |
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Posted: 9/20/2019 3:13:38 PM EDT
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This is the other problem besides battery density. Not everyone lives in a house and even if they do can they afford a multiple thousand dollar 220v DC charger and re-wire? What apartment complex, business or company is going to bear the cost to install in parking garages and other locations "for free" it's going to costly and be spendy. To say nothing of transformer and grid upgrades for those chargers. Nuclear is the only answer, but we lost our manufacturing knowledge and due to the NIMBY and regulatory costs we probably won't see a new one until if/when natural gas goes high. In short, feel good you libs, your electric is really running on coal, fuel or natural gas. Solar doesn't provide at nighttime/winter/cloudy and needs a $hit ton of batteries to make it reliable. Even when you get it in a sunny climate the heat (like here in AZ) sucks some of the efficiency. Wind is not reliable. It’s ignorance The inverter is in the car At home it’s a 240v AC charger I put my own in $75 bucks for a nema 14/50 plug 50 amp breaker and about 10 feet of wire and 2 hours of work There is an adapter that plugs into the nema 14/50 receptacle Gives me about 25 mph charge rate I usually have the charging amps dialed down though (you can set the rate on the car) 18 mph is plenty fast It doesn’t cost multiple thousands of dollars to set up charging at home on 240v and it doesn’t take 2 weeks to drive across country in a Tesla If you opt for a fancy charger Tesla sells one for about $500 and you can have it installed for about $400 bucks around here If you wanted to go max cost The apt thing is an issue but there are several apt complexes starting to install them as part of their lease packages |
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Posted: 9/20/2019 3:17:18 PM EDT
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where are they proposing all of this "green" electricity to charge these cars will come from?
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Posted: 9/20/2019 3:37:52 PM EDT
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See this is just the problem It's ignorance The inverter is in the car At home it's a 240v AC charger I put my own in $75 bucks for a nema 14/50 plug 50 amp breaker and about 10 feet of wire and 2 hours of work There is an adapter that plugs into the nema 14/50 receptacle Gives me about 25 mph charge rate I usually have the charging amps dialed down though (you can set the rate on the car) 18 mph is plenty fast It doesn't cost multiple thousands of dollars to set up charging at home on 240v and it doesn't take 2 weeks to drive across country in a Tesla If you opt for a fancy charger Tesla sells one for about $500 and you can have it installed for about $400 bucks around here If you wanted to go max cost The apt thing is an issue but there are several apt complexes starting to install them as part of their lease packages Quote HistoryQuoted:
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This is the other problem besides battery density. Not everyone lives in a house and even if they do can they afford a multiple thousand dollar 220v DC charger and re-wire? What apartment complex, business or company is going to bear the cost to install in parking garages and other locations "for free" it's going to costly and be spendy. To say nothing of transformer and grid upgrades for those chargers. Nuclear is the only answer, but we lost our manufacturing knowledge and due to the NIMBY and regulatory costs we probably won't see a new one until if/when natural gas goes high. In short, feel good you libs, your electric is really running on coal, fuel or natural gas. Solar doesn't provide at nighttime/winter/cloudy and needs a $hit ton of batteries to make it reliable. Even when you get it in a sunny climate the heat (like here in AZ) sucks some of the efficiency. Wind is not reliable. It's ignorance The inverter is in the car At home it's a 240v AC charger I put my own in $75 bucks for a nema 14/50 plug 50 amp breaker and about 10 feet of wire and 2 hours of work There is an adapter that plugs into the nema 14/50 receptacle Gives me about 25 mph charge rate I usually have the charging amps dialed down though (you can set the rate on the car) 18 mph is plenty fast It doesn't cost multiple thousands of dollars to set up charging at home on 240v and it doesn't take 2 weeks to drive across country in a Tesla If you opt for a fancy charger Tesla sells one for about $500 and you can have it installed for about $400 bucks around here If you wanted to go max cost The apt thing is an issue but there are several apt complexes starting to install them as part of their lease packages  Attached FileWe'll see more of this |
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Posted: 9/20/2019 3:38:38 PM EDT
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where are they proposing all of this "green" electricity to charge these cars will come from? |
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Posted: 9/20/2019 3:49:17 PM EDT
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It won't be green, and few who are serious will claim that's so https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.autoblog.com/amp/2011/10/14/how-gas-cars-use-more-electricity-to-go-100-miles-than-evs-do/ My car can go around 25 miles on that A model 3 can go about 30 Let’s reduce that figure by half 4 kw 12 miles If the gas process is reduced proportionately that will free up about 35% of the daily electric production required for average daily driver |
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Posted: 9/20/2019 4:02:54 PM EDT
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If the conversion to electric correlates to an equal reduction in oil drilling, refining, pumping etc some of the grid stress will be relieved as a generally accepted figure is about 8 kw of electricity is consumed to find, extract, refine, and deliver 1 gallon of gas https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.autoblog.com/amp/2011/10/14/how-gas-cars-use-more-electricity-to-go-100-miles-than-evs-do/ My car can go around 25 miles on that A model 3 can go about 30 Let's reduce that figure by half 4 kw 12 miles If the gas process is reduced proportionately that will free up about 35% of the daily electric production required for average daily driver Quote HistoryQuoted:
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It won't be green, and few who are serious will claim that's so https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.autoblog.com/amp/2011/10/14/how-gas-cars-use-more-electricity-to-go-100-miles-than-evs-do/ My car can go around 25 miles on that A model 3 can go about 30 Let's reduce that figure by half 4 kw 12 miles If the gas process is reduced proportionately that will free up about 35% of the daily electric production required for average daily driver The production of electricity itself might be marginally greener than today, but barring breakthroughs it won't be green. Batts have a lifespan and energy costs as well. And unlike oil, very little of the constituents are present in the US. But the flame burns in none like the converted
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Posted: 9/20/2019 4:15:42 PM EDT
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I still don't understand why hybrids have been abandoned; it seems like the best of both worlds. The performance and simplicity of electric drive train, with the flexibility and range of a small gas generator to charge the battery. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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They should be focusing on hybrid electric powertrains not just pure Electric That's a pretty dumb move I don't disagree that EV's are coming, but it'll take a long time to replace IC. |
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Posted: 9/20/2019 4:34:16 PM EDT
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I couldn't agree more. Especially plug-in hybrids. There are still a massive number of people in this country who do not have access to power where they park their vehicles. Think of the logistics to add thousands of chargers to a work place parking lot or street so people could charge in cities. Hybrids give people options. I don't disagree that EV's are coming, but it'll take a long time to replace IC. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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They should be focusing on hybrid electric powertrains not just pure Electric That's a pretty dumb move I don't disagree that EV's are coming, but it'll take a long time to replace IC. I for one would LOVE a self driving car with a million mile warranty that is cheaper to refuel to boot. |
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Posted: 9/20/2019 4:53:22 PM EDT
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Theres all kinds of offsets that can be played - but offsets rarely come straight across the grid. Many load exchanges are poorly calculated. The production of electricity itself might be marginally greener than today, but barring breakthroughs it won't be green. Batts have a lifespan and energy costs as well. And unlike oil, very little of the constituents are present in the US. But the flame burns in none like the converted My experience stops at having put a solar system on my barn that provides all the electricity my house needs and the fuel my car requires For the most part unless I’m on a road trip And the last line.... Any number of cliches can be applied to those resistant to change The bulk of the criticisms of electric vehicles here are exaggerated, unfounded or simply false I can only chalk that up to resistance to change as EVs don’t stand in their own merits It’s wrapped up in politics EVs bad Green Bad Ohhh Porsche has an EV? Now EVs maybe good? My first career was photography This exact same battle with the exact same arguments were played out when the industry was transitioning from film to digital As to the electricity requirements There are lots of ways to generate electricity Cost is an issue, if that’s the only concern the electricity required won’t be green Bust certainly “green” proction has been increasing significantly as a part of our total production If we boil it down to politics and make associations Then most on this board will find any argument to show how it can’t be a part of the solution as green energy has an emotional association with the left. In the real world politics aside alternatively produced electricity will be a factor. EVs will continue to take marketshare globally The fuel has to and will be produced Coal has seen its peak Most will most likely be made up by natural gas It’s cheaper and greener More people are going to be buying solar It’s just a truth If I had to wager Allternatively produced electricity will account for a significantly higher percentage of our total 10 years from now and will play its part in helping meet the increased demands EVs will require |
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Posted: 9/20/2019 4:55:42 PM EDT
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Quoted: Read my post above. They have spent billions and achieved over 50% thermal efficiency with hybrid electrics. |
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Posted: 9/20/2019 4:58:06 PM EDT
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Until electric vehicles offer refueling/recharging as quickly and conveniently as gasoline does, they won't be mainstream. I've been told recharging a vehicle battery that has 300+ miles of range in 3-5 minutes would require a massive amount of power (not sure if voltage or amperage or both). Pretty much every "gas station" out there would have to be re-wired and it would be a strain on the current electrical grid. Another solution would be for standardized battery packs that can be swapped in 3-5 minutes but that presents other engineering and design challenges, plus the labor or equipment in the field to swap the batteries. |
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Posted: 9/20/2019 5:02:35 PM EDT
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Where is the massive amount of extra electricity going to come from? We already have problems supplying enough power to areas with higher populations when it gets hot. Charge over night when the grid is less stressed? Don't you think it would be stressed if a shit ton of people plug in their cars before heading to bed? 
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Posted: 9/20/2019 5:05:55 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Would you like to discuss this topic in terms of efficiency, logistics, mathematics or economics? I'd like you to answer this rhetorical question; "Which source of energy best suits our current state, and the next 10 years of economic growth and stability?" Consumer cars are such a small part of the energy equation, but they are the most emotional subject because we all want to be the master of our own horse. How do we power the devices that move (logistically) most of the stuff we need to keep our economies productive? Can EV's compete with current systems? EV's are novelties for market mavens and first movers, but on every measurable scale of economic development and environmental protection, they are net losers. Hydrogen creates a conundrum, but it has to be produced by massive amounts of electricity so how the hell do we do that?? NOTHING is free. But some things are more efficient and easier to improve like the energy systems we have now. Get over that and embrace cleaning of current systems before embarking on new untested ones. https://www.iea.org/Sankey/#?c=United%20States&s=Final%20consumption https://www.iea.org/Sankey/#?c=United%20States&s=Balance It's also the most expensive part of our energy consumption, probably more than all other forms of energy combined. |
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Posted: 9/20/2019 5:08:05 PM EDT
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Have you checked what a Tesla weighs? Current predictions don't understand battery technology and density. This is the same thing affecting solar panels. Moore's law doesn't apply, physics is a bitch and improvements are hard or difficult. I haven't seen anything that can/will be adopted in the near term that will double the density. Maybe, maybe 15 years someone will get the exotics working. Until the density problem for batteries is solved you won't see total adoption of electric vehicles. Short range or second commuter vehicles sure. An F250 all electric towing 15K nope. |
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Posted: 9/20/2019 5:12:29 PM EDT
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I think there really is more potential available with electric than gas for locomotion. That is the wave of the future and one day when we are all gone no one will remember or care about the ICE.
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Posted: 9/20/2019 5:14:21 PM EDT
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So they’re pulling out of F1 then too?
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Posted: 9/20/2019 5:19:48 PM EDT
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I think this is about as genuine as Bill Gates and Warren Buffet signing the giving pledge.
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Posted: 9/20/2019 5:27:43 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The Tesla Model 3 with the long range batteries weighs about 200 pounds more than comparable ICE cars. (4,000 lbs vs 3,800 lbs) ETA: For comparability, the Model 3 NVH matches a Civic. |
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Posted: 9/20/2019 5:29:17 PM EDT
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All while Germany produces electricity by coal plants. Fucking retards Another reason to hate Mercedes China is finally building 11 nuclear power plants, but bring a new coal fired plant on line every week or two. Other than in the U.S. France and Japan most electric cars are really coal powered cars. |
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Posted: 9/20/2019 5:30:05 PM EDT
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A bad move
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Posted: 9/20/2019 5:38:37 PM EDT
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Now I see why Chrysler broke up with them. https://68.media.tumblr.com/b28308c5b4977e3bd22ee9cd690ec35b/tumblr_n87mk3v9Mb1qib7wuo7_r1_500.gif Your post is more ironic than you know. A German Daimler Benz engine engineer flew here and bought a 71 cuda we did. Shipped it home to Germany. |
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Posted: 9/20/2019 5:38:59 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: On TV they were jacking off that China builds over 10 times the amount of electric cars than the U.S. They are coal powered cars, most of China's electricity is from coal plants, they have NO natural gas and very little oil reserves in China. China is finally building 11 nuclear power plants, but bring a new coal fired plant on line every week or two. Other than in the U.S. France and Japan most electric cars are really coal powered cars. 20% hydro 10% wind 7.5% solar 55% coal When the reactors come online the coal will drop a good bit Increase in the hydro, wind and solar Probably 5-10 years coal will be 20-30% |
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Posted: 9/20/2019 5:40:56 PM EDT
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So says this development chief. And the next one will be brought in to take the company back to its roots to refocus of new gas engines, then the next chief will be brought in to usher in the future again. Rinse. Repeat. This year's vanity project is electric cars. |
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Posted: 9/20/2019 5:44:08 PM EDT
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To be fair Mercedes has always been innovative and a trend setter for technology. This is merely continuing that tradition.
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Posted: 9/20/2019 5:47:40 PM EDT
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I am no energy expert My experience stops at having put a solar system on my barn that provides all the electricity my house needs and the fuel my car requires For the most part unless I'm on a road trip And the last line.... Any number of cliches can be applied to those resistant to change The bulk of the criticisms of electric vehicles here are exaggerated, unfounded or simply false I can only chalk that up to resistance to change as EVs don't stand in their own merits It's wrapped up in politics EVs bad Green Bad Ohhh Porsche has an EV? Now EVs maybe good? My first career was photography This exact same battle with the exact same arguments were played out when the industry was transitioning from film to digital As to the electricity requirements There are lots of ways to generate electricity Cost is an issue, if that's the only concern the electricity required won't be green Bust certainly "green" proction has been increasing significantly as a part of our total production If we boil it down to politics and make associations Then most on this board will find any argument to show how it can't be a part of the solution as green energy has an emotional association with the left. In the real world politics aside alternatively produced electricity will be a factor. EVs will continue to take marketshare globally The fuel has to and will be produced Coal has seen its peak Most will most likely be made up by natural gas It's cheaper and greener More people are going to be buying solar It's just a truth If I had to wager Allternatively produced electricity will account for a significantly higher percentage of our total 10 years from now and will play its part in helping meet the increased demands EVs will Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Theres all kinds of offsets that can be played - but offsets rarely come straight across the grid. Many load exchanges are poorly calculated. The production of electricity itself might be marginally greener than today, but barring breakthroughs it won't be green. Batts have a lifespan and energy costs as well. And unlike oil, very little of the constituents are present in the US. But the flame burns in none like the converted My experience stops at having put a solar system on my barn that provides all the electricity my house needs and the fuel my car requires For the most part unless I'm on a road trip And the last line.... Any number of cliches can be applied to those resistant to change The bulk of the criticisms of electric vehicles here are exaggerated, unfounded or simply false I can only chalk that up to resistance to change as EVs don't stand in their own merits It's wrapped up in politics EVs bad Green Bad Ohhh Porsche has an EV? Now EVs maybe good? My first career was photography This exact same battle with the exact same arguments were played out when the industry was transitioning from film to digital As to the electricity requirements There are lots of ways to generate electricity Cost is an issue, if that's the only concern the electricity required won't be green Bust certainly "green" proction has been increasing significantly as a part of our total production If we boil it down to politics and make associations Then most on this board will find any argument to show how it can't be a part of the solution as green energy has an emotional association with the left. In the real world politics aside alternatively produced electricity will be a factor. EVs will continue to take marketshare globally The fuel has to and will be produced Coal has seen its peak Most will most likely be made up by natural gas It's cheaper and greener More people are going to be buying solar It's just a truth If I had to wager Allternatively produced electricity will account for a significantly higher percentage of our total 10 years from now and will play its part in helping meet the increased demands EVs will The problem is, when arguments are predicated as "Green", almost every new solution pales to reuse. My buddy with a 60 year old Land Rover with a 40 year old Cummins he's owned for 25 years - that burns WVO/BioD - just laughs when he's berated by smug Tesla drivers for his choice in transportation. In Portland it's not an uncommon occurrence - which is normally shorted by his questions about energy cost of 5 year cycling of their new EVs. Preference is personal and should remain so - nobody defends the purchase of leather seats or premium sound. It's a decision not a cause. The whole championing becomes tiresome to people like me, who are inclined, but are turned off by the zealotry and lack of candor. |
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Posted: 9/20/2019 6:30:05 PM EDT
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China 20% hydro 10% wind 7.5% solar 55% coal When the reactors come online the coal will drop a good bit Increase in the hydro, wind and solar Probably 5-10 years coal will be 20-30% Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: On TV they were jacking off that China builds over 10 times the amount of electric cars than the U.S. They are coal powered cars, most of China's electricity is from coal plants, they have NO natural gas and very little oil reserves in China. China is finally building 11 nuclear power plants, but bring a new coal fired plant on line every week or two. Other than in the U.S. France and Japan most electric cars are really coal powered cars. 20% hydro 10% wind 7.5% solar 55% coal When the reactors come online the coal will drop a good bit Increase in the hydro, wind and solar Probably 5-10 years coal will be 20-30% |
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Posted: 9/20/2019 6:33:51 PM EDT
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If the next ten years are the last ten years - and the increase has been fairly steady - no. Unless by significant you mean less than 20% non hydro renewable. But there's barriers so the near futures not more green, but not green by a mile The problem is, when arguments are predicated as "Green", almost every new solution pales to reuse. My buddy with a 60 year old Land Rover with a 40 year old Cummins he's owned for 25 years - that burns WVO/BioD - just laughs when he's berated by smug Tesla drivers for his choice in transportation. In Portland it's not an uncommon occurrence - which is normally shorted by his questions about energy cost of 5 year cycling of their new EVs. Preference is personal and should remain so - nobody defends the purchase of leather seats or premium sound. It's a decision not a cause. The whole championing becomes tiresome to people like me, who are inclined, but are turned off by the zealotry and lack of candor. It’s pretty common where I live that I get coal rolled Have you heard of that? The process of modifying your Diesel engine to at will release copious amounts of sooty exhaust on primarily electric vehicles and Prius because of their choice of vehicle? Do a YouTube search for Hickory super charger fuck Tesla You’ll see a funny little protest rally against Tesla Watch people go out of their way to block Tesla chargers To act as if Tesla owners have a corner on the dick move behavior is just rediculous You can find literally 1000’s of rolling coal videos on you tube Those are just the recorders ones You can find thousands of images of dickheads going out of their way to block Tesla chargers I’d love to know how your buddy is berated Do they like yell at him at stop lights? Or is it more like an eye roll? Do they scream at him A good proper dressing down Do they follow him and get out when he does to confront him? |
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Posted: 9/20/2019 6:58:34 PM EDT
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FICE FICE FICE
I hate ICEs. We probably have 15 old jeeps trucks heavy equipment and the maintenance drives me crazy! But my electric forklift always goes and is the cheapest to maintain. I can't wait for an electric f350 and I will keep a diesel generator in the back for road trips. I have solar so just having all my shit charging is part of my retirement fantasies. |
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Posted: 9/20/2019 7:01:30 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: They have also spent multiple billions over the last 7-8 years doing R&D on their F1 engine program ultimately achieving over 50% thermal efficiency. When they say, “we are stopping further development” it really means: Our current development projects encompass our next generation engine programs for the next 12-15 years. Further resources will now be spent on electric development for future deployment. |
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Posted: 9/21/2019 2:04:34 AM EDT
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I don’t know but we figured it out in 10 years when we went from needing to fuel 500,000 cars in 1908 to needing to fuel 30,000,000 in the 1920s Yes that was good ol oil We produced enough to meet the need in 1908 and on utility scale as the need increased so did the production I get pretty much all of my fuel from solar 15kw system Makes more than I use for driving and my house Maybe more hydro? Maybe need storage on a utility scale to offset? Maybe more nuclear? More wind? More solar? Natural gas? We have done it before When electric consumption has increased we have responded. It’s a valid question but when the question is phrased in such a way as to be nearly rhetorical it dismisses the fact we have rapidly increased production of fuel for gas cars in the past and we have rapidly increased electrical production in the past to meet rapidly rising electrical consumption The fact that electricity is going to be used in something you might not agree with doesn’t feminism the fact we have produced pretty much anything we have needed to meet the demand that need required. There is a business model in there somewhere Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Where is the massive amount of extra electricity going to come from? We already have problems supplying enough power to areas with higher populations when it gets hot. Charge over night when the grid is less stressed? Don't you think it would be stressed if a shit ton of people plug in their cars before heading to bed? Yes that was good ol oil We produced enough to meet the need in 1908 and on utility scale as the need increased so did the production I get pretty much all of my fuel from solar 15kw system Makes more than I use for driving and my house Maybe more hydro? Maybe need storage on a utility scale to offset? Maybe more nuclear? More wind? More solar? Natural gas? We have done it before When electric consumption has increased we have responded. It’s a valid question but when the question is phrased in such a way as to be nearly rhetorical it dismisses the fact we have rapidly increased production of fuel for gas cars in the past and we have rapidly increased electrical production in the past to meet rapidly rising electrical consumption The fact that electricity is going to be used in something you might not agree with doesn’t feminism the fact we have produced pretty much anything we have needed to meet the demand that need required. There is a business model in there somewhere |
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Posted: 9/21/2019 2:17:56 AM EDT
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and there was a fucking Tesla in Drag Week.
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Posted: 9/21/2019 2:24:44 AM EDT
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Hybrid makes sense in some cases, but for the vast majority of driving all electric is a better option. Both have their place. Most households have more than one vehicle, having a pure electric and a hybrid would be ideal for most of those cases. Personally, I have no interest in a hybrid, but would love a pure EV to DD. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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They should be focusing on hybrid electric powertrains not just pure Electric That's a pretty dumb move Personally, I have no interest in a hybrid, but would love a pure EV to DD. All-electric cars are all marketing. Hybrids just make more sense. Of course, the only non-boring option is and always will be the ICE. |
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Posted: 9/21/2019 4:23:20 AM EDT
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Both electric and petroleum are dead ends.
The future belongs to wood gas powered cars. |
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Posted: 9/21/2019 5:33:15 AM EDT
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It's their damn funeral.
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Posted: 9/21/2019 7:11:21 AM EDT
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Posted: 9/21/2019 8:48:53 AM EDT
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For daily driving/commuting 99 % of people will meet 99% of their needs by fueling at home at night when the grid isn’t stressed |
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Posted: 9/21/2019 8:56:07 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The Tesla Model 3 with the long range batteries weighs about 200 pounds more than comparable ICE cars. (4,000 lbs vs 3,800 lbs) A Cruze weighs 2900, Civic weighs less. Malibu closer to 3400 IIRC. |
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Posted: 9/21/2019 9:14:15 AM EDT
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EVs are the future for personal transportation, but are still 20/30 years out to being truly viable.
That being said, MB is most likely just trying to get a leg up on research. Who knows...maybe they will crack the energy density issue in battery |
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Posted: 9/21/2019 9:38:59 AM EDT
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Posted: 9/21/2019 9:52:45 AM EDT
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Complete and total BS Here is a canonball run time in a Tesla for you. Better time than a few ICE cars I’ve done it in 2.75 days on a bit more leasurely route The last half carrying 5 adults and luggage https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.teslarati.com/tesla-model-3-ev-cannonball-run-record-video/amp/ 2 weeks? You are woefully uneducated on the Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Posted: 9/21/2019 9:54:23 AM EDT
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As someone who has owned three electric vehicles and studies the current and future technology in this arena, I am 98% sure, I’ll never purchase another gas/diesel powered vehicle in my life (unless I buy a an old classic for fun). The electric car/truck/suv has arrived in a big way. 5-10 years from now, you won’t want to buy a gas/diesel powered vehicle because the electric options will be wayyyy better. I’m waiting for an electric full sized truck. It shouldn’t be long and my current gas powered truck only has 35K miles, so my next one will indeed be all electric.
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Posted: 9/21/2019 11:27:44 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: 4,000 lbs is about 700 lbs (or more) heavier than the Camry and Accord. ETA: For comparability, the Model 3 NVH matches a Civic. Comparable BMWs and Audis weigh ~3,800 pounds. ~3,850 pounds for the long range ~3,650 pounds for the short range |
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Posted: 9/21/2019 8:51:58 PM EDT
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Hybrids are just a more complicated and expensive version of what we have now. You have more maintenance than with an ICE, none of the convenience of an EV. They're a shitty solution to a governmentally invented problem. The only way they make sense is if pure ICE powered vehicles are legislated out of existence. Pure EVs have a logical, existing market segment. EVs are an improvement over what we have now for the majority of people the majority of the time. Hybrids are an expensive and overly complicated replacement for something that already works. That doesn't mean they won't have a market segment, just that the segment will only exist due to governmental interference. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Posted: 9/21/2019 9:31:05 PM EDT
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