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Posted: 8/26/2023 10:42:02 PM EDT
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The thing with Sabine being stabbed was supposed to fool us into thinking she was going to die.
I don’t think anyone fell for it. Lol |
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Posted: 8/26/2023 10:48:19 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TheTallest: No the guy in the mask is not Maul. He's played by Sam Witwer though. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TheTallest: Originally Posted By macman37: This was a return to classic-feeling Star Wars. Was just able to watch the first 2 eps tonight. It felt right. Click To View Spoiler No the guy in the mask is not Maul. He's played by Sam Witwer though. Ah. Good to see Witwer working though. I enjoyed the Force Unleashed games and he was in them. |
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Posted: 8/26/2023 11:00:28 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By macman37: Ah. Good to see Witwer working though. I enjoyed the Force Unleashed games and he was in them. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By macman37: Originally Posted By TheTallest: Originally Posted By macman37: This was a return to classic-feeling Star Wars. Was just able to watch the first 2 eps tonight. It felt right. Click To View Spoiler No the guy in the mask is not Maul. He's played by Sam Witwer though. Ah. Good to see Witwer working though. I enjoyed the Force Unleashed games and he was in them. He was also Maul in the Clone Wars. |
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Posted: 8/26/2023 11:09:44 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RattleCanAR: Is Ashoka “Andor” or “Book of Bobba”? I haven’t turned it on because I was in the field last week. I found it slow. really slow. |
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Posted: 8/26/2023 11:20:39 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By metalsaber: The one thing I've noticed that's pretty bad and frankly it's because of the female characters is the lightsaber fights seem really stiff. say what you want about episodes 1-3 but the light saber battles reminded me of people that were skilled warriors with a lightsaber. Yup, Ahsoka holding the curved hilts backwards. I LOLed at that. They are curved for a reason dear, and I guess Dooku is the only one that knew how to use them right. For gods sakes Disney, hire a damn fencing instructor. Ive seen first year saber students with more skill then these twats. |
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Posted: 8/26/2023 11:38:39 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Furloaf]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By GutWrench: The thing with Sabine being stabbed was supposed to fool us into thinking she was going to die. I don’t think anyone fell for it. Lol Yeah, that was very dumb. She should have lost a hand or leg instead. Really she should have been wearing her armor for the fight, and the stab was from Shin getting in between a gap. I'd also change her armor from the animation to not have such ridiculous, wide open gaps on the beskar plates. |
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Posted: 8/27/2023 12:07:56 AM EDT
[#7]
 We Translated Chopper in This Scene... It's Worse Than You Think?? |
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Posted: 8/27/2023 12:43:34 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By mcantu: the ep 1-3 light saber fights were just cgi bukkake by people more interested in what their new tech could do instead of what they should do |
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Posted: 8/27/2023 9:02:02 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryI love chopper. He is awesome |
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Posted: 8/27/2023 6:01:42 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Furloaf: Yeah, that was very dumb. She should have lost a hand or leg instead. Really she should have been wearing her armor for the fight, and the stab was from Shin getting in between a gap. I'd also change her armor from the animation to not have such ridiculous, wide open gaps on the beskar plates. It was some elementary level writing. I liked the show other than a few things. I honestly think is older people are not the target audience at all. They want the younger generations to get hooked so they can make money forever off the brand. Ashoka will eventually have to meet the end. Sabine and Ezra can carry them for a while but they will have children who meet up with characters like Omega, Hera’s green haired offspring etc. |
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Posted: 8/27/2023 6:10:38 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Miami_JBT: Andor was so well written, directed, shot, and acted; that if you removed Star Wars from it but kept the core story plot. It would still be great. You could replace Star Wars with Buck Rogers or even Galaxy Quest and it would still be good. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Miami_JBT: Originally Posted By macman37: Originally Posted By NoRobots: I've said it before. Andor is a great movie, and would STILL stand alone on its own as a great movie if you took away the Star Wars-ness.  Originally Posted By Skywarp2203: Wat? Andor was so well written, directed, shot, and acted; that if you removed Star Wars from it but kept the core story plot. It would still be great. You could replace Star Wars with Buck Rogers or even Galaxy Quest and it would still be good. Wouldn't even have to be "sci fi" setting, just a modern penal colony with a basic story setup to explain the floor tech and such. |
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Posted: 8/27/2023 6:19:40 PM EDT
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From the beginning, Star Wars relied heavily upon the Japanese Samurai for visual and storytelling cues. e.g. The sword fighting suggests a Katana not a Fencing Foil (2 hands vs one)
With Disney's efforts to curry favor with the Chinese, one would think they would try to dial it back, but they actually doubled down with Ashoka. Her two swords of differing lengths are an obvious reference to the Samurai. The octopus tentacles on her head not-so-subtly mimics a Samurai's helmet. When Wren knelt down to cut off her hair, I honestly thought she was about to plunge the blade into her abdomen. I wasn't sure where that scene was going. |
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Posted: 8/27/2023 6:21:08 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By macman37: I don’t disagree. I try not to play pedantry but that made me wonder if he was talking about Rogue One or something. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By macman37: Originally Posted By Miami_JBT: Originally Posted By macman37: Originally Posted By NoRobots: I've said it before. Andor is a great movie, and would STILL stand alone on its own as a great movie if you took away the Star Wars-ness. Originally Posted By Skywarp2203: Wat? Andor was so well written, directed, shot, and acted; that if you removed Star Wars from it but kept the core story plot. It would still be great. You could replace Star Wars with Buck Rogers or even Galaxy Quest and it would still be good. I don’t disagree. I try not to play pedantry but that made me wonder if he was talking about Rogue One or something. I think we're stumbling into an era when the difference between a "TV series" and a "movie" (especially one presented as what used to be called a "mini-series") has blurred into irrelevance. These stories aren't as much told in "episodes" as they are "chapters," like some novels would be released back in the day. Frankly, the old "let's tell this story in less than 2.5 hours" is seeming more and more like an undesirable and arbitrary constraint. And audiences are OK with this, even in theaters - as we've seen with both Dune and the latest Mission Impossible movie. Andor was a cohesive story with over 8 hours of runtime, and I think that's much of what contributes to its quality. This is in contrast to, say, The Book of Boba Fett which very much had an "episodic" TV show feel. |
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Posted: 8/27/2023 6:22:41 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Gloftoe: My wife has been watching Andor for the past couple of days, and I've been in the same room. NOTHING about it grabs me. It's like a slow moving soap opera. Well, I mean, there's always Michael Bay movies. |
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Posted: 8/27/2023 6:28:42 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By fredegar: A turd is better than a turd covered in burnt hair. But it is still a turd. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By fredegar: Originally Posted By Miami_JBT: Kenobi was better than Fett. A turd is better than a turd covered in burnt hair. But it is still a turd. The man speaks poetry. Weird poetry. But accurate poetry. |
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Posted: 8/27/2023 6:38:00 PM EDT
[Last Edit: mochaTX]
[#16]
So is the force female enough for Ashoka?
Has any man shown any competence besides the big bearded guy? Not watching* 
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Posted: 8/27/2023 6:40:53 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By sh768: When Wren knelt down to cut off her hair, I honestly thought she was about to plunge the blade into her abdomen. I wasn't sure where that scene was going.  Kanan Prepping for Rescue - Sean Kiner |
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Posted: 8/27/2023 7:01:48 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Bohr_Adam: Well, I mean, there's always Michael Bay movies. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Bohr_Adam: Originally Posted By Gloftoe: My wife has been watching Andor for the past couple of days, and I've been in the same room. NOTHING about it grabs me. It's like a slow moving soap opera. Well, I mean, there's always Michael Bay movies.  Attached File |
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Posted: 8/27/2023 9:06:30 PM EDT
[#19]
 Star Wars™: Dark Forces Remaster - Reveal Trailer Fuck yeah! I played the hell out of this on my Playstation back in the day! |
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Posted: 8/27/2023 9:30:22 PM EDT
[Last Edit: MisterPX]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Miami_JBT:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4b9TTurkH4cFuck yeah! I played the hell out of this on my Playstation back in the day! PS? Shit, I did it on DOS with a Tandy. The first level was a free demo you got when you bought a gamer magazine. |
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Posted: 8/27/2023 11:10:47 PM EDT
[Last Edit: von_landstuhl]
[#21]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By sh768: Her two swords of differing lengths are an obvious reference to the Samurai. Sword/raiper and dagger were known in Europe from the 1500s. |
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Posted: 8/27/2023 11:16:48 PM EDT
[#22]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By mochaTX: So is the force female enough for Ashoka? Has any man shown any competence besides the big bearded guy? Not watching* |
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Posted: 8/28/2023 12:10:07 AM EDT
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Posted: 8/28/2023 12:18:37 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By sh768: When Wren knelt down to cut off her hair, I honestly thought she was about to plunge the blade into her abdomen. I wasn't sure where that scene was going. That was a call back to rebels. When kanan cut his hair off to prepare for battle. Plus the long hair just won’t work with the mandalorian helmet. |
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Posted: 8/28/2023 12:36:46 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By GutWrench: The thing with Sabine being stabbed was supposed to fool us into thinking she was going to die. I don't think anyone fell for it. Lol Jedi courtesy? |
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Posted: 8/28/2023 12:47:22 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By FreefallRet: Why didn't she finish Sabine off? Jedi courtesy? |
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Posted: 8/28/2023 6:45:57 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Miami_JBT: They aren't at that stage yet in their relationship. But soon, the two apprentices will get into hot lesbo action. Okay, now I am in for the series. |
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Posted: 8/28/2023 7:05:54 AM EDT
[#28]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RattleCanAR: Okay, now I am in for the series. |
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Posted: 8/28/2023 8:51:52 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Miami_JBT: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4b9TTurkH4cFuck yeah! I played the hell out of this on my Playstation back in the day! Looks like Doom with stormtroopers |
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Posted: 8/28/2023 9:04:03 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By sixgunsblazing: You realize this basic story was written decades ago, right? Hardly Woke You realize that Disney had perverted and corrupted over the same time period. So is the show force is female enough, has there been any male competence besides big bearded guy, or is this a female centered escapade to rescue lost men? |
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Posted: 8/28/2023 9:15:24 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By FreefallRet: Why didn't she finish Sabine off? Jedi courtesy? Have to save that for later in the season or series. I don’t know why they had her be stabbed at all. Other than for the audience to think she was dead. Just like in Kenobi when that lady was stabbed repeatedly and just kept coming back. It’s bad writing/imagination from Feloni or whatever his name is. They could have had one of the droids stun her or hit her on the head or something. Then it wouldn’t have led to the “light sabers don’t kill people anymore” debate. Now we can all assume anyone who is not beheaded with a laser sword can survive. Unless you are a character from the original trilogy… I really want to like this new Star Wars stuff. But man when you break it all down it’s really hard not to tear it all apart. So sad what they have done. |
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Posted: 8/28/2023 9:18:28 AM EDT
[#32]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Freakinout: Looks like Doom with stormtroopers I played it back in the day and that is exactly what it is. |
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Posted: 8/28/2023 9:20:54 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By MisterPX: PS? Shit, I did it on DOS with a Tandy. The first level was a free demo you got when you bought a gamer magazine. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By MisterPX: Originally Posted By Miami_JBT: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4b9TTurkH4cFuck yeah! I played the hell out of this on my Playstation back in the day! PS? Shit, I did it on DOS with a Tandy. The first level was a free demo you got when you bought a gamer magazine. My very first computer upgrade was doubling the RAM in the Tandy 25mhz from 4MB to 8MB specifically to play that game. |
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Posted: 8/28/2023 9:22:07 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 11boomboom: I played it back in the day and that is exactly what it is. And it was fun. |
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Posted: 8/28/2023 9:25:36 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 11boomboom: I played it back in the day and that is exactly what it is. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 11boomboom: Originally Posted By Freakinout: Looks like Doom with stormtroopers I played it back in the day and that is exactly what it is. Doom was fun so that should be equally fun I'd think |
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Posted: 8/28/2023 10:09:43 AM EDT
[#36]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Freakinout: Looks like Doom with stormtroopers Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Freakinout: Originally Posted By Miami_JBT: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4b9TTurkH4cFuck yeah! I played the hell out of this on my Playstation back in the day! Looks like Doom with stormtroopers |
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Posted: 8/28/2023 10:12:17 AM EDT
[#37]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By GutWrench: Have to save that for later in the season or series. I don't know why they had her be stabbed at all. Other than for the audience to think she was dead. Just like in Kenobi when that lady was stabbed repeatedly and just kept coming back. It's bad writing/imagination from Feloni or whatever his name is. They could have had one of the droids stun her or hit her on the head or something. Then it wouldn't have led to the "light sabers don't kill people anymore" debate. Now we can all assume anyone who is not beheaded with a laser sword can survive. Unless you are a character from the original trilogy I really want to like this new Star Wars stuff. But man when you break it all down it's really hard not to tear it all apart. So sad what they have done. |
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Posted: 8/28/2023 12:15:11 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Miami_JBT: I think they're just making fun of Qui-Gon. He gets a pin prick and is dead. Maul gets lopped in half (and saved by Nightsisters Dark Magic) and gets new legs like Lt. Dan. Lol poor Qui-Gon. Him and his mediclorians… |
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Posted: 8/28/2023 12:35:20 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By GutWrench: Lol poor Qui-Gon. Him and his mediclorians Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By GutWrench: Originally Posted By Miami_JBT: I think they're just making fun of Qui-Gon. He gets a pin prick and is dead. Maul gets lopped in half (and saved by Nightsisters Dark Magic) and gets new legs like Lt. Dan. Lol poor Qui-Gon. Him and his mediclorians  |
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Posted: 8/28/2023 1:38:16 PM EDT
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RD is playing Ahsoka as one would expect to find her given the pure physical, spiritual and emotional trauma she has endured. From acting rash and against orders (and having nearly all the clones under her command slaughtered because of it) as a young padiwan, to the betrayal of the Jedi Council and leaving the Order, to living through Order 66 and the further betrayal of all those clones she led in battle, killing a huge number of them in her escape, to the final emotional insult of realizing leaving the Jedi Order most likely directly contributed to the creation of the galaxy's most vicious and evil face....one does not simply remain happy go lucky with those experiences.
Im enjoying Ahsoka so far. Yes, it is not perfect. But its tone is serious although not as dark as Andor. Perfect for a mature SWs story. |
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Posted: 8/28/2023 1:41:41 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By USMC_JA: RD is playing Ahsoka as one would expect to find her given the pure physical, spiritual and emotional trauma she has endured. From acting rash and against orders (and having nearly all the clones under her command slaughtered because of it) as a young padiwan, to the betrayal of the Jedi Council and leaving the Order, to living through Order 66 and the further betrayal of all those clones she led in battle, killing a huge number of them in her escape, to the final emotional insult of realizing leaving the Jedi Order most likely directly contributed to the creation of the galaxy's most vicious and evil face....one does not simply remain happy go lucky with those experiences. Im enjoying Ahsoka so far. Yes, it is not perfect. But its tone is serious although not as dark as Andor. Perfect for a mature SWs story. I keep trying to tell myself the same but I just cant buy it. Her and Hera are awful. |
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Posted: 8/28/2023 2:17:47 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By nottooslow: I keep trying to tell myself the same but I just cant buy it. Her and Hera are awful. On Hera, I agree. Im not enjoying the actress' portrayal and mannerisms. The solemness, seriousness, and sad undertones are exactly what I would expect in Ahsoka. |
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Posted: 8/28/2023 3:06:28 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By USMC_JA: RD is playing Ahsoka as one would expect to find her given the pure physical, spiritual and emotional trauma she has endured. From acting rash and against orders (and having nearly all the clones under her command slaughtered because of it) as a young padiwan, to the betrayal of the Jedi Council and leaving the Order, to living through Order 66 and the further betrayal of all those clones she led in battle, killing a huge number of them in her escape, to the final emotional insult of realizing leaving the Jedi Order most likely directly contributed to the creation of the galaxy's most vicious and evil face....one does not simply remain happy go lucky with those experiences. Im enjoying Ahsoka so far. Yes, it is not perfect. But its tone is serious although not as dark as Andor. Perfect for a mature SWs story. Yeah no. Dawson is not that deep. Thats just her subpar skills as an actress and us putting those ideals on top of it to make up for the deficit. Shes not playing an emotionally traumatized former jedi; shes just not a very good actress. She had some name recognition and was cheap and available enough that they cast her in the role. A better actress that was also a fan, or at least someone who became a fan while watching and really studying all the episodes of clone wars and rebels would have a much better and more believable take on the character. enough reality, back to the fun stuff. I don't think Ashoka could have stopped Anakin from turning if she had have still been there. He kept stuff from her, like padme, and didn't really tell her his full private thoughts on life, the order, the force, etc. I think he kept her at arms length just enough that I couldn't buy the idea of her being able to help ground him to the light side or even intervene in the final moments. |
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Posted: 8/28/2023 3:41:44 PM EDT
[#44]
This is my understanding and thoughts on Ashoka being able to prevent Anakin from going ape shit.
Anakin turned to the dark side because he had the visions of his friends, mainly Padme, dying. He thought by doing so he could learn how to bring back the dead. Ashoka was not even a factor in his thinking other than she further exposed him to the flaws of the Jedi order. Making Sidius’ grasp on him that much stronger. Order 66 and the Jedi purge was going to happen with or without Anakin’s turn. Those things were set in motion long before Sidius got his hooks into him. Ashoka could not have stopped it. If she would have stayed she and Anakin would have died in the purge or been exiled like the rest of the Jedi who survived. This is what’s bad about prequels. We already know the end of the story. That’s just my thoughts on it. |
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Posted: 8/28/2023 4:00:48 PM EDT
[Last Edit: metalsaber]
[#45]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By GutWrench: This is my understanding and thoughts on Ashoka being able to prevent Anakin from going ape shit. Anakin turned to the dark side because he had the visions of his friends, mainly Padme, dying. He thought by doing so he could learn how to bring back the dead. Ashoka was not even a factor in his thinking other than she further exposed him to the flaws of the Jedi order. Making Sidius' grasp on him that much stronger. Order 66 and the Jedi purge was going to happen with or without Anakin's turn. Those things were set in motion long before Sidius got his hooks into him. Ashoka could not have stopped it. If she would have stayed she and Anakin would have died in the purge or been exiled like the rest of the Jedi who survived. This is what's bad about prequels. We already know the end of the story. That's just my thoughts on it. We see a lot of this with the clone war series and the obi wan show. They just keep boxing themselves into a corner instead of just telling stories outside/unconnected the main cannon. These plots just fail to actually line up with what we know in the movie series or downright contradict what we know from the movies. |
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Posted: 8/28/2023 4:05:31 PM EDT
[#46]
The prequels fucked up a lot too. There was a whole solid world built by then in the EU and the prequels just flipped the table over.
As for Ahsoka, she had a part to play with Anakin turning to the dark side. The order fucked her over royally and that further made Anakin distrustful of the order. |
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Posted: 8/28/2023 4:22:28 PM EDT
[Last Edit: GutWrench]
[#47]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By metalsaber: My thoughts are that post OG Trilogy and Episodes 1-3, too many people tried to fuck with the stories to shoehorn in other side plots that ultimately just fuck with the timelines. We see a lot of this with the clone war series and the obi wan show. They just keep boxing themselves into a corner instead of just telling stories outside/unconnected the main cannon. These plots just fail to actually line up with what we know in the movie series or downright contradict what we know from the movies. Agreed. It’s a mess. Clone wars was not bad until it was. They should have stopped when they got to order 66 somehow. Not just kept it going with Rebels. Not that I didn’t enjoy Rebels or clone wars. They both should have just had a proper ending. Clone wars was easy. They could have just taken it to the purge/order66 and stopped. Rebels could have gone on for a long time and ended with a new hope’ish time line. Kenobi should have never been done at all. |
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Posted: 8/28/2023 5:59:02 PM EDT
[#48]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By GutWrench: Clone wars was easy. They could have just taken it to the purge/order66 and stopped. They did? I mean I guess it went a little bit after, like a day. Ahsoka knew all about Padme as well. |
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Posted: 8/28/2023 6:04:31 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By MisterPX: PS? Shit, I did it on DOS with a Tandy. The first level was a free demo you got when you bought a gamer magazine. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By MisterPX: Originally Posted By Miami_JBT: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4b9TTurkH4cFuck yeah! I played the hell out of this on my Playstation back in the day! PS? Shit, I did it on DOS with a Tandy. The first level was a free demo you got when you bought a gamer magazine. PC GAMER when it was a shit rag. I loved Dark Forces as a kid. I've been dying for a remaster and can't wait for this to come out. |
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Posted: 8/28/2023 6:09:32 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Furloaf: Ahsoka knew all about Padme as well. 
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