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Posted: 10/27/2022 12:34:01 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By cayman_shen: I never held that Death Star crew was somehow innocent. Bet many folks had no choice ... defying the empire is painful for you and your family and home planet |
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Posted: 10/27/2022 12:35:21 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By stampkolektor: ^lol this. might as well go to your bunker and close yourself off from society. as far as empire vs rebels, i always thought the empire had ww2 german/ fascist italy vibe vs insurgents/western allies. if you look at empire uniforms like the isb its very ww2 german. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By stampkolektor: Originally Posted By jackthom8: Originally Posted By Laufen: The fact that people on this forum watch shows about a woke space man created by a woke company that wants to indoctrinate children and destroy your way of life sure says a lot. With that kind of mentality, you might as well just cut yourself off entirely from modern society at this point. It's just entertainment dude. ^lol this. might as well go to your bunker and close yourself off from society. as far as empire vs rebels, i always thought the empire had ww2 german/ fascist italy vibe vs insurgents/western allies. if you look at empire uniforms like the isb its very ww2 german. Hugo Boss or GTFO |
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Posted: 10/27/2022 12:36:24 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Laufen: Yeah, I don't. I value my rights. I get it, you'd rather be entertained by a space man story than stick to your principles. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Laufen: Originally Posted By stampkolektor: Originally Posted By Laufen: There are plenty of sources of wonderful entertainment that don't use my money to destroy me and my way of life. Ah, Californian. Makes sense. ok we get, you dont consume anything remotely left leaning. kthanksbye Yeah, I don't. I value my rights. I get it, you'd rather be entertained by a space man story than stick to your principles. Thanks for contributing |
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Posted: 10/27/2022 12:39:12 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By jackthom8: That's why a lot of Star Wars fans hated Rogue One already years ago, the whole vibe is incredibly miserable and very un-Star Wars like. Only the british could produce something so depressing. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By jackthom8: Originally Posted By 103: This is why my wife doesn't want to watch it. That any "but they all die!" in Rogue One. That's why a lot of Star Wars fans hated Rogue One already years ago, the whole vibe is incredibly miserable and very un-Star Wars like. Only the british could produce something so depressing. [DanteHicks] It ends on such a down note. I mean, that's what life is, a series of down endings. All "Jedi" had was a bunch of Muppets.[/DanteHicks] |
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Posted: 10/27/2022 12:45:32 PM EDT
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I do love the tone and direction of Andor vs reg feel good SWs. It is how Nolans darker Batman re-booted and expanded the batmans before it. it gives the overall SW universe another viewpoint.
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Posted: 10/27/2022 12:46:30 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By jackthom8: That's why a lot of Star Wars fans hated Rogue One already years ago, the whole vibe is incredibly miserable and very un-Star Wars like. Only the british could produce something so depressing. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By jackthom8: Originally Posted By 103: This is why my wife doesn't want to watch it. That any "but they all die!" in Rogue One. That's why a lot of Star Wars fans hated Rogue One already years ago, the whole vibe is incredibly miserable and very un-Star Wars like. Only the british could produce something so depressing. Rogue One was great. |
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Posted: 10/27/2022 12:46:44 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By stampkolektor: I do love the tone and direction of Andor vs reg feel good SWs. It is how Nolans darker Batman re-booted and expanded the batmans before it. it gives the overall SW universe another viewpoint. Definitely love the feel of Andor, one of the best do far |
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Posted: 10/27/2022 1:00:05 PM EDT
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Posted: 10/27/2022 1:05:16 PM EDT
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I wonder what it is that they were building. Maybe they said and I missed it? Looked like some sort of engine.
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Posted: 10/27/2022 1:06:39 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By macaho45: I wonder what it is that they were building. Maybe they said and I missed it? Looked like some sort of engine. Whatever it was, I really appreciate how they actually took the time to make whatever it is into an actual prop. The production values on this show are incredible. |
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Posted: 10/27/2022 1:10:41 PM EDT
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I thought I saw or heard something that they are landing gear struts or something mundane like that.
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Posted: 10/27/2022 1:16:26 PM EDT
[#12]
The Saw Gerrera scene is also pretty good too btw. If you haven't seen the Clone Wars show you probably should by now, he's talking about stuff you'd miss if you haven't.
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Posted: 10/27/2022 1:22:06 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By jackthom8: Whatever it was, I really appreciate how they actually took the time to make whatever it is into an actual prop. The production values on this show are incredible. You are damn right. The whole prison factory is really well done. The world building on this show is great! |
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Posted: 10/27/2022 1:29:28 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By stoner01: I thought I saw or heard something that they are landing gear struts or something mundane like that. Somebody on YouTube said they thought it was the under carriage of a Imperial probe droid |
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Posted: 10/27/2022 1:30:56 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Dog1: Somebody on YouTube said they thought it was the under carriage of a Imperial probe droid it looks like droid "spider" legs |
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Posted: 10/27/2022 1:32:05 PM EDT
[#16]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By stampkolektor: ^lol this. might as well go to your bunker and close yourself off from society. as far as empire vs rebels, i always thought the empire had ww2 german/ fascist italy vibe vs insurgents/western allies. if you look at empire uniforms like the isb its very ww2 german.  Attached FileThe Amish are way ahead of us on this. |
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Posted: 10/27/2022 1:38:50 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Dog1: Somebody on YouTube said they thought it was the under carriage of a Imperial probe droid Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Dog1: Originally Posted By stoner01: I thought I saw or heard something that they are landing gear struts or something mundane like that. Somebody on YouTube said they thought it was the under carriage of a Imperial probe droid Seem way too big for that. Probe droids aren't that big. A landing gear part makes a lot more sense. |
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Posted: 10/27/2022 1:48:00 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Naporter: Seem way too big for that. Probe droids aren't that big. A landing gear part makes a lot more sense. It really should be part of a horrifying weapon, just for narrative's sake. The work they're forcing people to do is ideal for droids. It'd be especially evil to have people building the weapons that enslave them, just because they can. I won't be surprised when Cassian discovers those things are part of something personally tragic, probably on Ferrix. |
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Posted: 10/27/2022 2:10:49 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Freakinout: Like everybody dies in star wars Since it happened "a long time ago," they're all dead. |
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Posted: 10/27/2022 2:11:02 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Laufen: Yeah, I don't. I value my rights. I get it, you'd rather be entertained by a space man story than stick to your principles. your virtue signaling has been noted. Can you please fuck off now? Thanks! |
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Posted: 10/27/2022 2:17:44 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 103: Those fans completely miss the point. Every other line is miserable in Star Wars. "Many Bothans died to bring us this information." Luke getting his hand cut off and being told by the most evil person in his worldview that he was his son. Dead teddy bears on Endor. Oh yeah--an entire planet getting blown up. Rogue One was great. The highs and lows was one of the selling points of the "Machete Order" of watching the films. "There’s a great pattern here, taking the viewer on a series of emotional ups and downs. IV ends with a victory that seems to have some sinister undertones, then V is dark and unresolved with a cliffhanger, II ends with victory with sinister undertones, then III is dark and unresolved with a cliffhanger again. It works incredibly well, and when III ended everyone demanded we immediately watch VI to see how everything gets tied up." |
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Posted: 10/27/2022 2:25:43 PM EDT
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I have to marvel at the genius of Palpatine.
Palpatine simultaneously turned the galaxy against the Jedi and divided the people of the galaxy so deeply through the Clone Wars that he completely orchestrated that he almost insured no rebellion of any significance could form. "The Plan," as Darth Maul calls it in Clone Wars, was pretty much flawless, but you'd expect it to be since it was the produce of a thousand years of careful maneuvers by the Sith. If you have not read the Star War book Dark Plageuis, I highly recommend you get the Audio Book. Palpatine is pure evil, but you have to be in awe of his genius. I like that Andor is paying respect to that genius and the Empire competence, because to have a good protagonist you absolutely need a highly dangerous antagonist. |
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Posted: 10/27/2022 2:36:26 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Laufen: The fact that people on this forum watch shows about a woke space man created by a woke company that wants to indoctrinate children and destroy your way of life sure says a lot. You sound like fun. 
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Posted: 10/27/2022 2:40:40 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Laufen: The fact that people on this forum watch shows about a woke space man created by a woke company that wants to indoctrinate children and destroy your way of life sure says a lot. Meh, I'd gladly light the match to burn Disney and their woke bullshit to the ground but in the meantime, I'm going to let those monkeys entertain me. |
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Posted: 10/27/2022 2:52:04 PM EDT
[Last Edit: MisterPX]
[#25]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By stoner01: I thought I saw or heard something that they are landing gear struts or something mundane like that. My thought was ankle/leg joints for walkers. So that means they'll just be part of a cargo claw. 
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Posted: 10/27/2022 3:09:22 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By jackthom8: Whatever it was, I really appreciate how they actually took the time to make whatever it is into an actual prop. The production values on this show are incredible. Agreed! The fact that they caught my attention and got me wondering says a lot about the production value to me, like you said. |
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Posted: 10/27/2022 3:19:20 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By MisterPX: My thought was ankle/leg joints for walkers. So that means they'll just be part of a cargo claw. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By MisterPX: Originally Posted By stoner01: I thought I saw or heard something that they are landing gear struts or something mundane like that. My thought was ankle/leg joints for walkers. So that means they'll just be part of a cargo claw. Death Star parts, it's construction is behind schedule, that's why they are ramping up manufacturing parts. |
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Posted: 10/27/2022 3:20:13 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By KaerMorhenResident: I have to marvel at the genius of Palpatine. Palpatine simultaneously turned the galaxy against the Jedi and divided the people of the galaxy so deeply through the Clone Wars that he completely orchestrated that he almost insured no rebellion of any significance could form. "The Plan," as Darth Maul calls it in Clone Wars, was pretty much flawless, but you'd expect it to be since it was the produce of a thousand years of careful maneuvers by the Sith. If you have not read the Star War book Dark Plageuis, I highly recommend you get the Audio Book. Palpatine is pure evil, but you have to be in awe of his genius. I like that Andor is paying respect to that genius and the Empire competence, because to have a good protagonist you absolutely need a highly dangerous antagonist. Palpatine is the end of 1000 years of manipulations that may or may not be Bane ressurrected/passed on through new hosts. Palpatine was handed the keys to something that just needed some extra persuasion/manipulating. The creation of the rule of two and the end goal being reached only by the strengths of the master being passed on should the apprentice be strong enough. There were once thousands of Sith and thousands of Jedi. It took one Sith to realize how watered down the force was if powere was to be shared by many... The way Andor is being done gives some hope that a dark side focused DARK plotting Sith series could be done and done well. Something that stretches so far back that what little Yoda knows of the dark side was passed down to him because it predates when he was born. How it could then be woven in to the mandalorian lore is something that would take some actual vision and goddamn talent. This possibility and the thought of the above is what Star Wars fans nerdgasm over and yet we get shit like "like a bantha" with Boba Fett. Andor is definitely an "in the right direction" attempt. |
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Posted: 10/27/2022 3:51:55 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Freakinout: Bet many folks had no choice ... defying the empire is painful for you and your family and home planet Probably true, but that still puts their deaths on the Empire. They worked on military craft, they're legit targets. |
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Posted: 10/27/2022 4:02:20 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By cayman_shen: Probably true, but that still puts their deaths on the Empire. They worked on military craft, they're legit targets. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By cayman_shen: Originally Posted By Freakinout: Bet many folks had no choice ... defying the empire is painful for you and your family and home planet Probably true, but that still puts their deaths on the Empire. They worked on military craft, they're legit targets. In intergalactic war its all fair game The Republic wasn't the good guys, separatists neither |
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Posted: 10/27/2022 4:58:03 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By macaho45: I wonder what it is that they were building. Maybe they said and I missed it? Looked like some sort of engine. I mentioned earlier in the thread it is made just like a landing gear strut on modern fighters. Pins and bushings take higher loads than roller bearings. |
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Posted: 10/27/2022 5:00:21 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Dog1: Somebody on YouTube said they thought it was the under carriage of a Imperial probe droid Way to robust. There is zero need for that massive piece of pin and bushing on a droid that floats around on repulsers. |
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Posted: 10/27/2022 5:02:42 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Former11BRAVO]
[#33]
"Oppression breeds rebellion!"
Great line from Luthen! Now, back to the episode! |
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Posted: 10/27/2022 5:04:40 PM EDT
[Last Edit: DigitalChaos]
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I noticed that in the last episode the antique dealer Luthen? kept calling the one girl Leia?
And I wonder when and if they bring Jyn in the story pre when they first meet ? |
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Posted: 10/27/2022 5:11:02 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By DigitalChaos: I noticed that in the last episode the antique dealer Luthen? kept calling the one girl Leia? And I wonder when and if they bring Jyn in the story pre when they first meet ? Her name is Kleya Marki |
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Posted: 10/27/2022 5:11:54 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By DigitalChaos: I noticed that in the last episode the antique dealer Luthen? kept calling the one girl Leia? And I wonder when and if they bring Jyn in the story pre when they first meet ? Leida is Mothma's daughter. His assistant is Kleya |
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Posted: 10/27/2022 5:13:02 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Furloaf: Leida is Mothma's daughter. His assistant is Kleya Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Furloaf: Originally Posted By DigitalChaos: I noticed that in the last episode the antique dealer Luthen? kept calling the one girl Leia? And I wonder when and if they bring Jyn in the story pre when they first meet ? Leida is Mothma's daughter. His assistant is Kleya Thank you for the clarification |
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Posted: 10/27/2022 5:15:18 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RattleCanAR: Way to robust. There is zero need for that massive piece of pin and bushing on a droid that floats around on repulsers. Just pointing out what somebody said |
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Posted: 10/27/2022 5:16:31 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RattleCanAR: Way to robust. There is zero need for that massive piece of pin and bushing on a droid that floats around on repulsers. No idea what the other levels make but the design suggests something like a polygonal form. Maybe reflector assembly for kyber crystals or some shit for death star. They put a lot of thought and design into this series so guessing we will know at some point. /edit Maybe some kind of connector/joint for flight control surface for tiefighters wings? |
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Posted: 10/27/2022 5:23:12 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By nottooslow: Her name is Kleya Marki Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By nottooslow: Originally Posted By DigitalChaos: I noticed that in the last episode the antique dealer Luthen? kept calling the one girl Leia? And I wonder when and if they bring Jyn in the story pre when they first meet ? Her name is Kleya Marki Daughter of Biz Markie
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Posted: 10/27/2022 6:18:56 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By uglygun: No idea what the other levels make but the design suggests something like a polygonal form. Maybe reflector assembly for kyber crystals or some shit for death star. They put a lot of thought and design into this series so guessing we will know at some point. /edit Maybe some kind of connector/joint for flight control surface for tiefighters wings? Based on the shape and size along with being able to land on the panels like legs then they could be. I thought most tie fighter assembly was done by droids. |
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Posted: 10/27/2022 6:54:28 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 103: This is why my wife doesn't want to watch it. That and "but they all die!" in Rogue One. Everyone dies eventually. The lucky ones choose when they die. |
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Posted: 10/27/2022 7:01:34 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RattleCanAR: Based on the shape and size along with being able to land on the panels like legs then they could be. I thought most tie fighter assembly was done by droids. No idea but I am just trying to think of things that might collapse/expand like an umbrella which may or may not result from a structure of that shape. It is nice to see details in shit like that which make people curious what the fuck is being built and want to see more. It has a very Kamino cloning facility level of organization to it. The various levels and the order and the sheer massive scope of the operation. Reward the people behind building this world. Fucking punish/zap/murder off the people reaponsible for the Obi/Boba shit. |
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Posted: 10/27/2022 7:12:15 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By feudist: I can dig exposition, world building and character development...but every scene is 15 seconds too long and there are lots of set up scenes, filler scenes, extra scenes and scenes that go nowhere. All of Mon Mothma's party scenes in this Ep were just wheel spinning. Literally nothing moved forward. It's a good show but much too drawn out. Naw. I actually am enjoying this quite a lot for a change. It's the only show that I've seen that takes its time. Which is totally fine by me. |
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Posted: 10/27/2022 7:15:47 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By cayman_shen: Oh absolutely. There's a stab at Trump in the last episode. The thing is, I'm watching it thinking the Empire is like the Dems, the writers think they're portraying Republicans (as did Lucas)...where is the disconnect? We all perceive our leaders as enemies of freedom, but from opposite sides of the spectrum. Why don't we have any common ground? I think they're delusional of course, and they probably think the same of me. Meanwhile the uniparty laughs at us plebs. Naw I don't see it that way. For once, the bad guys come in all races and both genders. It's not the usual overused old white guys as before. |
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Posted: 10/27/2022 7:18:31 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By von_landstuhl: The highs and lows was one of the selling points of the "Machete Order" of watching the films. "There's a great pattern here, taking the viewer on a series of emotional ups and downs. IV ends with a victory that seems to have some sinister undertones, then V is dark and unresolved with a cliffhanger, II ends with victory with sinister undertones, then III is dark and unresolved with a cliffhanger again. It works incredibly well, and when III ended everyone demanded we immediately watch VI to see how everything gets tied up." That's..kind of brilliant. |
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Posted: 10/27/2022 7:21:55 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By KaerMorhenResident: I have to marvel at the genius of Palpatine. Palpatine simultaneously turned the galaxy against the Jedi and divided the people of the galaxy so deeply through the Clone Wars that he completely orchestrated that he almost insured no rebellion of any significance could form. "The Plan," as Darth Maul calls it in Clone Wars, was pretty much flawless, but you'd expect it to be since it was the produce of a thousand years of careful maneuvers by the Sith. If you have not read the Star War book Dark Plageuis, I highly recommend you get the Audio Book. Palpatine is pure evil, but you have to be in awe of his genius. I like that Andor is paying respect to that genius and the Empire competence, because to have a good protagonist you absolutely need a highly dangerous antagonist. I highly recommend you read Darth Plageuis(if you haven't already). Palpatine was the utmost Sith of all Sith. Pure evil genius. |
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Posted: 10/27/2022 8:41:43 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By cayman_shen: A story is more than plot...theme matters also. Intercutting between Cassian, Mon, and Syril shows how they're all in their own prisons. I wouldn't trim a second. Totally captivating episode. Also, there was like five solid minutes of gay stuff and it didn't feel shoved down your throat, preachy, or tacked on. The fact that they managed not to annoy me there was impressive. Two hardcore, freedom loving women with meaningful things to do and say kept me invested in the parts of their characters that matter. Watching this show, I keep thinking how funny it is that the writers are probably pretty left of center, while I'm pretty right, and yet we all hate the goddamn government. Saw's rant against ideologically impure groups that share a common goal was on the money. Well, I'd bet the writers view patriotic, liberty and Constitution focused Americans as scum, and think flyover America is full of racists and tyrant wanna be's. They don't recognize the empire in the globalists/ left/ democrats. |
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Posted: 10/27/2022 8:43:44 PM EDT
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Damn. The Empire is almost as bad as the DNC.
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Posted: 10/27/2022 8:45:37 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By dillydilly: I highly recommend you read Darth Plageuis(if you haven't already). Palpatine was the utmost Sith of all Sith. Pure evil genius. Is he really that evil though? I mean compared to Warhammer 40k's Imperium of Man the Empire is a liberal utopia. What exactly was the Sith endgoal anyway, dominate the galaxy and just enforce law and order? |
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