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Posted: 10/9/2020 4:08:34 PM EDT
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According to 2001: A Space Odyssey, we should have already had orbiting nuclear weapons platforms for almost 20 years now.
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Posted: 10/9/2020 4:09:37 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Good way of dropping 50,000 pounds of something on someone  better yet, winter is coming, pinpoint his critic's homes and drop a 50lb weight thru their roofs on the coldest night of the year. |
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Posted: 10/9/2020 4:11:33 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Its not about satellites. Its about the point to point transportation Musk has hinted at as being like flying in aircraft. Youll have Starships on pads at .mil sites, punch in targets, and send a tank or 100 soldiers to any point in the world within an hour. True. The issue with that is the difference between a supply missile and a weapon missile would literally just be swapping out payloads. Imagine trying to resupply troops, only to trigger a nuclear war because your chosen vehicle looked like an ICBM to the other side? There is a feasibility aspect to what is being advertised. We already have some pretty robust forward deployed stockpiles of weapons and equipment. |
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Posted: 10/9/2020 4:11:49 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: According to 2001: A Space Odyssey, we should have already had orbiting nuclear weapons platforms for almost 20 years now. |
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Posted: 10/9/2020 4:12:32 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Maybe we have. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: According to 2001: A Space Odyssey, we should have already had orbiting nuclear weapons platforms for almost 20 years now. The one shown in the movie is German. 
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Posted: 10/9/2020 4:14:55 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: RT is better than American traditional news outlets, not that I watch any of them While depressingly true, that doesnt change the fact that it is directly funded and has its content screened for approval and messaging by the Russian Government. |
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Posted: 10/9/2020 4:19:27 PM EDT
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I think the Starships are a lot more viable as ground strike weapons than interplanetary cargo ships. Frankly, the idea is stunningly obvious. Loiter capability and 100+ tons to orbit, come back and pick up more heavy objects.
I brought this up to other engineers and it was like the idea never crossed their mind. (Former Starship Engineer here.) |
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Posted: 10/9/2020 4:22:18 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: RODS FROM GOD!!! https://content.halocdn.com/media/Default/encyclopedia/technology/unsc-drop-pod/update-12142015/unsc-drop-pod-542x542-aee85e6a06544c3caa2b4af8391cd288.jpg  Attached FileEven in death, I still serve. Kharn 
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Posted: 10/9/2020 4:22:59 PM EDT
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Mass drivers FTW.
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Posted: 10/9/2020 4:23:00 PM EDT
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Posted: 10/9/2020 4:37:07 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: According to 2001: A Space Odyssey, we should have already had orbiting nuclear weapons platforms for almost 20 years now. And Jupiter should be a star. But according to current knowledge of stellar germination, that ain't gonna happen. |
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Posted: 10/9/2020 4:38:26 PM EDT
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i think starship is supposed to be able to put up 100 tons+ that's a hell of a lot of tungsten or depleted uranium.
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Posted: 10/9/2020 4:41:25 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Now how do you get it so that you can drop a 10-30 personnel ready to fuck someone's shit up within an hour? Like a Benghazi type situation. starship could probably cram in a few hundred well armed troops and be almost anywhere in the world in an hour |
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Posted: 10/9/2020 4:43:43 PM EDT
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Stand by for Titanfall.
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Posted: 10/9/2020 4:49:27 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: That does bring up an interesting loop hole in some of our treaties. I guess it would depend if its government funded or not. Realistically, the difference between accurately delivering supplies intercontinentally and accurately delivering a weapon intercontinentally would be very small. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Feasible. I think Low Earth Orbit times are something like 90ish minutes? Two satellites could easily cover the whole globe. Weaponizing space in that manner would be a pretty big violation of some of the treaties we have entered into though. Still a really cool concept though, and Im pretty sure will happen sooner or later. That being said, avoid RT articles. They are basically a propaganda wing of the Russian government. That does bring up an interesting loop hole in some of our treaties. I guess it would depend if its government funded or not. Realistically, the difference between accurately delivering supplies intercontinentally and accurately delivering a weapon intercontinentally would be very small. Currently, the treaties and their interpretations levy all responsibility on the country of launch origin. This is why space launches are regulated by the USG. The loophole is to launch from a formally unrecognized (non-nation) point of origin. |
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Posted: 10/9/2020 4:49:41 PM EDT
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one problem with running starship as a weapon like that is how does the rest of the world know the difference if it is a nuke icbm a spaceflight or a pack of wild marines headed their way?
there could be some bad outcomes from weaponization here. |
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Posted: 10/9/2020 4:56:52 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Currently, the treaties and their interpretations levy all responsibility on the country of launch origin. This is why space launches are regulated by the USG. The loophole is to launch from a formally unrecognized (non-nation) point of origin. So say..... an unflagged barge in the pacific..... |
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Posted: 10/9/2020 5:01:31 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: We can go back to Eugen Sanger and the Silbervogel skip bomber Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Not about kinetic weapons. The proposed mission is cargo delivery including weapons. We can go back to Eugen Sanger and the Silbervogel skip bomber My vote is to resurrect the Orion space battleship 
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Posted: 10/9/2020 5:03:44 PM EDT
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maybe it already exists albeit crudely...
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Posted: 10/9/2020 5:05:30 PM EDT
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Thinking now the whole Mars thing is a facade. He is working on domination of Terra.
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Posted: 10/9/2020 5:09:28 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryThat was the idea back in the 1960s with Ithacus https://www.snafu-solomon.com/2012/08/blast-from-past-ithacus-vtvl-ssto-troop.html Transport 1500 combat ready troops/marines anywhere in the world within 90 minutes. Even launch them off aircraft carriers    |
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Posted: 10/9/2020 5:15:39 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: better yet, winter is coming, pinpoint his critic's homes and drop a 50lb weight thru their roofs on the coldest night of the year. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Good way of dropping 50,000 pounds of something on someone better yet, winter is coming, pinpoint his critic's homes and drop a 50lb weight thru their roofs on the coldest night of the year. A 50 or 100# slug of some nickel-cobalt or tungsten alloy ought to have more than enough mass left from re-entry to obliterate most small office buildings. Plus those Metals would be very dense too. Maybe even penetrate a few feet of reinforced concrete There are surely studies on what shape slug of the high temp metals would preserve enough mass and not burn off too much during re-entry |
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Posted: 10/9/2020 5:23:18 PM EDT
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Do you guys really still think StarLink is really for Internet Service?
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Posted: 10/9/2020 5:26:31 PM EDT
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 'Rods from God' Weapon System Gets Another Look |
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Posted: 10/9/2020 5:27:07 PM EDT
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Posted: 10/9/2020 5:38:17 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Now how do you get it so that you can drop a 10-30 personnel ready to fuck someone's shit up within an hour? Like a Benghazi type situation. They would need to already be in orbit to do that, and it seems to be probably too expensive to send people up and down for short periods of time. Extended times in zero G would have consequences physiologically on their ability to land and immediately go to work. Dan Crenshaw has a NASA mission physician, Dr Serena M. Auñón-Chancellor, on his podcast and she talks about the effects of zero g on the body and what is involved in getting back on your feet when you land. |
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Posted: 10/9/2020 5:43:57 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: They would need to already be in orbit to do that, and it seems to be probably too expensive to send people up and down for short periods of time. Extended times in zero G would have consequences physiologically on their ability to land and immediately go to work. Dan Crenshaw has a NASA mission physician, Dr Serena M. Auñón-Chancellor, on his podcast and she talks about the effects of zero g on the body and what is involved in getting back on your feet when you land. This. Until we can crack the nut on implementable artificial gravity, orbital weapons are far more plausible than orbital troops. |
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Posted: 10/9/2020 5:45:11 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: We need a orbiting base for Space Force equipped with re-entry capsules capable of holding a squad of men in full battle rattle. Bonus points if that re-entry pod can then act as an armored personnel carrier once on the ground. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Now how do you get it so that you can drop a 10-30 personnel ready to fuck someone's shit up within an hour? Like a Benghazi type situation. We need a orbiting base for Space Force equipped with re-entry capsules capable of holding a squad of men in full battle rattle. Bonus points if that re-entry pod can then act as an armored personnel carrier once on the ground. Wasn't this how the dudes from the book Starship Troopers were inserted to planet surfaces? |
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Posted: 10/9/2020 5:45:37 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: one problem with running starship as a weapon like that is how does the rest of the world know the difference if it is a nuke icbm a spaceflight or a pack of wild marines headed their way? there could be some bad outcomes from weaponization here. How do they know the X-37, or any other satellite, doesn't have a nuke in it? Anything that can contain a shoe box weighing ~40lbs can contain a nuke. |
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Posted: 10/9/2020 5:53:16 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: They would need to already be in orbit to do that, and it seems to be probably too expensive to send people up and down for short periods of time. Extended times in zero G would have consequences physiologically on their ability to land and immediately go to work. Dan Crenshaw has a NASA mission physician, Dr Serena M. Auñón-Chancellor, on his podcast and she talks about the effects of zero g on the body and what is involved in getting back on your feet when you land. According to this, they wouldnt be in orbit. Its a starship ground launched to a ground target. Load it up, launch the rocket, and within an hour you have troops on the ground on the other side of the world. |
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Posted: 10/9/2020 6:13:34 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Wasn't this how the dudes from the book Starship Troopers were inserted to planet surfaces? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Now how do you get it so that you can drop a 10-30 personnel ready to fuck someone's shit up within an hour? Like a Benghazi type situation. We need a orbiting base for Space Force equipped with re-entry capsules capable of holding a squad of men in full battle rattle. Bonus points if that re-entry pod can then act as an armored personnel carrier once on the ground. Wasn't this how the dudes from the book Starship Troopers were inserted to planet surfaces? Yes, but they were also in mechs armed with (among other things) tactical nukes. |
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Posted: 10/9/2020 7:45:28 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: RT is better than American traditional news outlets, not that I watch any of them Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Feasible. I think Low Earth Orbit times are something like 90ish minutes? Two satellites could easily cover the whole globe. Weaponizing space in that manner would be a pretty big violation of some of the treaties we have entered into though. Still a really cool concept though, and Im pretty sure will happen sooner or later. That being said, avoid RT articles. They are basically a propaganda wing of the Russian government.  No.
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Posted: 10/9/2020 7:48:40 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: RODS FROM GOD!!! So, we know you didn't read. |
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Posted: 10/9/2020 7:50:06 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: According to this, they wouldnt be in orbit. Its a starship ground launched to a ground target. Load it up, launch the rocket, and within an hour you have troops on the ground on the other side of the world. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: They would need to already be in orbit to do that, and it seems to be probably too expensive to send people up and down for short periods of time. Extended times in zero G would have consequences physiologically on their ability to land and immediately go to work. Dan Crenshaw has a NASA mission physician, Dr Serena M. Auñón-Chancellor, on his podcast and she talks about the effects of zero g on the body and what is involved in getting back on your feet when you land. According to this, they wouldnt be in orbit. Its a starship ground launched to a ground target. Load it up, launch the rocket, and within an hour you have troops on the ground on the other side of the world. But what happens when they roll the rv on touch down? |
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