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Posted: 10/27/2021 7:38:33 PM EDT
[Last Edit: AeroE]
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Something like "307th Powell HS Composite Wing" would be cool, and the patch could be applied to all of the flying machines to show they make up the wing.
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Posted: 10/28/2021 1:18:22 PM EDT
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Canopy failure #3 complete.
 It wasn't for a lack of trying. I think we reheated one piece 4x. We are currently trying to flatten it back out. We had one melt down after one failure with the first piece. It was Chernobyl in there. Maybe we are at about #6 attempt in reality?  |
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Posted: 10/28/2021 1:45:06 PM EDT
[Last Edit: guns762]
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It's time for plan "B". The mold thing just isn't going to work. Its too much material, and not enough evenness in the kiln to keep it all the same. We have edges perfect and the center not even close. We just had melt down #2. Material is not going to work anymore for this project. We can salvage parts of it for other things.
Bondo work is now in full speed. We will make it as smooth as possible, paint, epoxy, paint, epoxy x6-10x and see what we can come up with. We may add vinyl over top at the end for a thicker look. |
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Posted: 10/28/2021 3:29:14 PM EDT
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Update 10/28
Here are some photos of our failures. I think there was video taken at one point too, but lets not document that much failure at one time.  We did move the fuselage and form right next to the kiln closet.   We had gloves out for everyone, and did several rehearsal run throughs so everyone knew their job and it could be done smoothly and quickly.  Time and temps were closely monitered.....at least we thought we were keeping pretty close look on it. Our first attempt at 275F for 15 min proved that we were no where near the temps needed. Well, we thought we were no where near them.   Once that proved to be too little temps, we upped it a bit....to 350F. After 5min, we took a look.  After that debacle, time for a new sheet.   And, still not enough consistency in temp. The lexan was collapsing inside the kiln when we took it out. It just cools too fast, and the center was still too stiff.  The elevators are coming along well.  We have some slight adjustments in the foam to fit perfectly.  We attached our wing supports yesterday. These should allow a more even spread of the weight across the wing root.  We are also fitting the doors to the bays today.  Reworking the foam on the ends of the tail section.  |
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Posted: 10/28/2021 3:40:22 PM EDT
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Well, the canopy was problematic on the real thing, too. So...
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Posted: 10/28/2021 4:03:35 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By L_JE: Well, the canopy was problematic on the real thing, too. So... |
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Posted: 10/28/2021 5:14:02 PM EDT
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How hot does the kiln get - seems like it might be a bit much? It might be easier (but more work) to create a female mold out of FRP from the canopy plug you've already created and faired. With the use of a Shop Vac and a couple of holes in the mold, you may be able to rig up a reverse-vacuum form. You'll have to switch to acrylic for its lower transition temperature, but it means you could use a regular oven to heat the plastic.
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Posted: 10/28/2021 5:57:42 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Ranxerox911: How hot does the kiln get - seems like it might be a bit much? It might be easier (but more work) to create a female mold out of FRP from the canopy plug you've already created and faired. With the use of a Shop Vac and a couple of holes in the mold, you may be able to rig up a reverse-vacuum form. You'll have to switch to acrylic for its lower transition temperature, but it means you could use a regular oven to heat the plastic. We don't have an oven that is big enough. That was one of our problems. We kept the kiln at a pretty even temp, but inside is so big, it was hotter towards the walls. |
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Posted: 10/28/2021 7:08:03 PM EDT
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Lots of hair dryers?
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Posted: 10/28/2021 8:08:34 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By FB41: Yes- "VF" is Navy-speak for fixed-wing fighter. Minor problem. In the Navy and Marines, VA, VF VP etc. are squadron designators for V=Fixed Wing and A= Attack, F=Fighter, P=Patrol and others. HOWEVER, the F22 is only flown by the Air Force, and they do not use the above squadron designations. The Air Force F22's are flown by: 7th Fighter Squadron 19th Fighter Squadron 27th Fighter Squadron 43trd Fighter Squadron 86th Fighter-Interceptor Squadron 95th Fighter Squadron 95th Fighter Squadron https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_Air_Force_fighter_squadrons |
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Posted: 10/28/2021 8:09:12 PM EDT
[Last Edit: xanadu]
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Remember - the F22 is only flown by the Air Force.
The Air Force F22's are flown by: 7th Fighter Squadron 19th Fighter Squadron 27th Fighter Squadron 43trd Fighter Squadron 86th Fighter-Interceptor Squadron 95th Fighter Squadron 95th Fighter Squadron Check out the following for inspiration Re: Squadron art. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_Air_Force_fighter_squadrons |
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Posted: 10/28/2021 8:31:01 PM EDT
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The 422d test/eval squadron should also get a mention. They've got pretty cool unit patch, too. Way better than the lame patch of the 94th.
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Posted: 10/28/2021 9:37:07 PM EDT
[Last Edit: FB41]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By xanadu: Minor problem. In the Navy and Marines, VA, VF VP etc. are squadron designators for V=Fixed Wing and A= Attack, F=Fighter, P=Patrol and others. HOWEVER, the F22 is only flown by the Air Force, and they do not use the above squadron designations. The Air Force F22's are flown by: 7th Fighter Squadron 19th Fighter Squadron 27th Fighter Squadron 43trd Fighter Squadron 86th Fighter-Interceptor Squadron 95th Fighter Squadron 95th Fighter Squadron https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_Air_Force_fighter_squadrons Yes, all true, but he was asking about F14's. ETA- for Marines, the designations are VMF, VMA, VMGR, etc. (M for Marines, of course.  )
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Posted: 10/29/2021 5:43:21 AM EDT
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Snoopy?
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Posted: 10/29/2021 7:36:03 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By widowed2012: Snoopy? Still on the list. 
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Posted: 10/29/2021 3:45:47 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By guns762: Update 10/28 Here are some photos of our failures. I think there was video taken at one point too, but lets not document that much failure at one time. We did move the fuselage and form right next to the kiln closet. https://i.imgur.com/zkUebaB.jpg https://i.imgur.com/Gk9xlFG.jpg We had gloves out for everyone, and did several rehearsal run throughs so everyone knew their job and it could be done smoothly and quickly. https://i.imgur.com/76yJQGI.jpg Time and temps were closely monitered.....at least we thought we were keeping pretty close look on it. Our first attempt at 275F for 15 min proved that we were no where near the temps needed. Well, we thought we were no where near them. https://i.imgur.com/Xt2xv4I.jpg Once that proved to be too little temps, we upped it a bit....to 350F. After 5min, we took a look. https://i.imgur.com/Nmffccw.jpg After that debacle, time for a new sheet. https://i.imgur.com/vJ8ove0.jpg And, still not enough consistency in temp. The lexan was collapsing inside the kiln when we took it out. It just cools too fast, and the center was still too stiff. https://i.imgur.com/sLHxRIA.jpg The elevators are coming along well. https://i.imgur.com/t2PymMc.jpg We have some slight adjustments in the foam to fit perfectly. https://i.imgur.com/IDebDtN.jpg We attached our wing supports yesterday. These should allow a more even spread of the weight across the wing root. https://i.imgur.com/qMKNrg9.jpg We are also fitting the doors to the bays today. https://i.imgur.com/bJGO1RO.jpg Reworking the foam on the ends of the tail section. https://i.imgur.com/zEIW5iG.jpg Bummer, maybe use one that isn't destroyed and go very slowly with several heat guns and lots of gloves in addition to the kiln? |
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Posted: 10/29/2021 4:28:25 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By brass: Bummer, maybe use one that isn't destroyed and go very slowly with several heat guns and lots of gloves in addition to the kiln? I think we are cutting our losses on this and moving on with plan B. The material is ruined at this point and I think it's chasing good money after bad to try it again. We would probably ruin the foam under the bondo with head guns again, and it isn't worth it. The shape is too good right now to mess it up again. We will go with layers of paint and epoxy and see where we can go with it.
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Posted: 10/29/2021 4:49:59 PM EDT
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Update 10/29
Today was a good day for our project. Our elevators are complete, with a few modifications to make them able to accept our 1/2" all thread. The all-thread should allow us to attach them to the fuselage with good adjustments available. We are excited to see the wings on and see how well they resemble the real thing. The shape of the wing, being hand drawn by my pilot, really came out nicely.   Look at that trailing edge of the wing and how it cups down. Pretty cool.  To attach the elevators, students have it in their heads these are going to move with the movement of the plane. We spent most of the day figuring out how we were going to move the elevators, have them securely attached to the air frame, and what needed adjusted to do that. We needed a hole to run either cable, chain, or an arm to the axle of the elevator. It seems we will be spending quite a bit of time next week tweaking and experimenting on how to get the mechanics of our movements before we can start skinning this bird. The rudders should also be getting closer to the point we can put them together next week.  We pulled out a 1x2 and replace it with a 2x2 for a bit more strength. This is a preliminary idea on how we might get everything attached. The little arm welded onto the nut would push/pull the elevator. We may have to go to a sprocket and chain, but I'm lobbying for that to be a last resort, as I don't want to chase fixing it later down the road.  Flaps installed. We had little attachment points welded up.  We almost had both elevators installed, but noticed a crack in one of our 2x2s right at the end of the day. It was long enough that we think it should be redone.  
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Posted: 10/29/2021 10:08:47 PM EDT
[#19]
@guns762- check IM.
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Posted: 10/29/2021 10:27:07 PM EDT
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FYI, the correct terminology for the elevators on an F-22 is "Horizontal Stabilator".
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Posted: 10/29/2021 11:42:25 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 2A373: FYI, the correct terminology for the elevators on an F-22 is "Horizontal Stabilator". From the last couple airshows I saw I would have bought "Antigrav Enableator". |
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Posted: 10/30/2021 4:03:16 PM EDT
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Hats. The students need to design & sell hats.
Flight crew. Support Crew. Might or might not have a cowboy hat on them, for the tourists. 
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Posted: 10/30/2021 7:27:23 PM EDT
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Be great if the pilot's name was Lt Col Brandon.
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Posted: 10/30/2021 7:39:04 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 2A373: FYI, the correct terminology for the elevators on an F-22 is "Horizontal Stabilator". I must have missed that in the MIT F22 video. I thought for sure he was calling them elevators.
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Posted: 10/30/2021 7:42:46 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Mak_380: Hats. The students need to design & sell hats. Flight crew. Support Crew. Might or might not have a cowboy hat on them, for the tourists. I like the hat idea. I'll bet custom ink has an option for it. Problem is going to come when we go to use CustomInk again. The girl who has been working as our designer, has parents that have their own company that does exactly this. My guess is they won't be able to offer the fundraising capability that custom ink does. Her parents told me she would never help out at the store designing shirts......now she seems to enjoy it. I'll have to see what they can do.
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Posted: 10/30/2021 7:44:01 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By backbencher: Be great if the pilot's name was Lt Col Brandon. Students already got dress coded by the admin for the famous shirts......I don't think we could get away with that.
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Posted: 10/30/2021 8:11:00 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By guns762: Students already got dress coded by the admin for the famous shirts......I don't think we could get away with that. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By guns762: Originally Posted By backbencher: Be great if the pilot's name was Lt Col Brandon. Students already got dress coded by the admin for the famous shirts......I don't think we could get away with that. Mini-Tru alive and kicking on one of the last freedom holdouts.  |
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Posted: 11/2/2021 9:35:55 AM EDT
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Update 11/2
Pretty productive day yesterday. We got our tail fuselage pieces of foam sculpted and reattached. Students started smoothing them out with some plaster as fill, then paper mache' as a finishing coating.   We are working on the center section of the fuselage between the vector nozzles. This will have to be made with plywood sides so we can attach our clear lexan tubes for the mach cones.  Our T-shirt designs are getting closer every day. I forgot to ask her to make a hat example. I'll try to remember that today. Not sure I want the F-22 inverted like it is in this example.  There are still some little things here that she was working on. Bomb longer, and tilted left a little. Nose needs to be orange. Some font and shape issues.  We often seem to start parts of this project out of order, but I think it keeps students from getting too bored with the same work over and over. We also are running out of things for some of them to do as we engineer the movements and robotics that many pieces need. With that said, this was exciting to see happen yesterday. The skin going on the nose section.   This is a tough process and most of these students have had no experience with it, so it's all new. All the lessons we have learned over the years have to be taught to the new group doing this.  It went rather well and quickly. We have to be careful not to cover up areas that still need attention inside for robotics, wiring, and mechanical features.  |
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Posted: 11/2/2021 9:58:03 AM EDT
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Staples instead of Rivets??!!!!!!!!!??
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Posted: 11/2/2021 10:17:51 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By widowed2012: Staples instead of Rivets??!!!!!!!!!?? |
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Posted: 11/2/2021 12:27:27 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By widowed2012: Staples instead of Rivets??!!!!!!!!!?? Rivets will be needed to disguise the staples. |
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Posted: 11/2/2021 2:47:57 PM EDT
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Posted: 11/2/2021 3:10:39 PM EDT
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Perhaps on the front of the shirt, the aircraft could be at a non-vertical angle? Maybe some round smoke trails curling in two circles @ the end of the mach diamonds?
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Posted: 11/3/2021 9:31:08 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By backbencher: Perhaps on the front of the shirt, the aircraft could be at a non-vertical angle? Maybe some round smoke trails curling in two circles @ the end of the mach diamonds? Yeah,..... Got a text message from a friend..... his wife thought it looked like male genitalia. Ooops. Going to have to change that a bit.
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Posted: 11/3/2021 9:35:59 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By guns762: Yeah,..... Got a text message from a friend..... his wife thought it looked like male genitalia. Ooops. Going to have to change that a bit.Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By guns762: Originally Posted By backbencher: Perhaps on the front of the shirt, the aircraft could be at a non-vertical angle? Maybe some round smoke trails curling in two circles @ the end of the mach diamonds? Yeah,..... Got a text message from a friend..... his wife thought it looked like male genitalia. Ooops. Going to have to change that a bit. |
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Posted: 11/3/2021 9:42:17 AM EDT
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Update 11/3
We got our hole drilled through the wing support so we can run our electrical out to the wing. This will allow us to hook up a motor on the wing to help tip the plane in air.  Hinges for the side weapons bay doors going on.  Doors going on.  We need foam on the bottom of the nose, so that was much of what happened yesterday. We had quite a different crew working on those. They did great. We will cover the foam with paper mache and a bit of bondo in some places, before paint.  These two freshman have never worked on this project before, but they were done with their pen and ink drawings, and wanted to work. I created a couple monsters....now they want to work on this instead of the regular Art 1 curriculum. I had to chase them off to class, as they wanted to finish the foam work they were doing.   Messy work rasping off the foam.    These guys are working on the "flaperons" I gave them some bad info, so they are reworking the layout. They are good sports about it. These will be window in our air traffic control tower.  Work on the bay door actuator system.  Mural work is grueling, but coming along nicely.  We are messing with the idea of using sliding weights and gravity to help us move our flaps slightly when the Raptor tips to one side and then back again. The welding guys are playing around with this idea and seeing if we can make it work.  |
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Posted: 11/3/2021 6:40:01 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By guns762: Yeah,..... Got a text message from a friend..... his wife thought it looked like male genitalia. Ooops. Going to have to change that a bit. I was never a Marine, but I like the smell of crayons in the morning.
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Posted: 11/3/2021 6:56:42 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By guns762: ... We may add vinal over top at the end for a thicker look. I believe it's "vinyl", Teach. |
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Posted: 11/3/2021 7:16:41 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By cschaeff: I believe it's "vinyl", Teach. He teaches art, not
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Posted: 11/3/2021 9:23:57 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Mak_380: He teaches art, not Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Mak_380: Originally Posted By cschaeff: I believe it's "vinyl", Teach. He teaches art, not My spelling has always sucked. 
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Posted: 11/4/2021 12:32:03 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By guns762: My spelling has always sucked. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By guns762: Originally Posted By Mak_380: Originally Posted By cschaeff: I believe it's "vinyl", Teach. He teaches art, not My spelling has always sucked. I alwaysmake more obscure and creative type-O+s sometimes even spelled correctly but doesn't make any sense. It's a better skill.  |
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Posted: 11/4/2021 12:42:59 AM EDT
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This is way fuckin’ cool OP
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Posted: 11/4/2021 7:31:13 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By brass: I alwaysmake more obscure and creative type-O+s sometimes even spelled correctly but doesn't make any sense. It's a better skill. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By brass: Originally Posted By guns762: Originally Posted By Mak_380: Originally Posted By cschaeff: I believe it's "vinyl", Teach. He teaches art, not My spelling has always sucked. I alwaysmake more obscure and creative type-O+s sometimes even spelled correctly but doesn't make any sense. It's a better skill. My students make fun of me for all the words I say that they claim are made up. I tell them they are MY words, so they are real, and they better understand them.
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Posted: 11/4/2021 9:48:49 AM EDT
[Last Edit: guns762]
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Update 11/4
More mural....  The vertical stabilizers are under construction. We needed to cut off our original stumps that we had on the air frame. They are just going to be in the way and we decided to go another way with attachment.  The roots of the stabilizers need to be able to detach. We want to be able to put the air frame in the air without them installed. We measured out where they will go and marked around them.   We attached 2x2 blocks to the base of them, and then attached blocks to the air frame to capture them in the location we need them to sit. The roots were screwed onto the frame so they could not move while the blocks were screwed into their locations. Everything is very snug and fits well.  Bay doors. Some of our designers and engineers are out hunting this week, so we have slowed a bit in some areas. Our Space Tractor suffered some transmission problems, and is currently pulling CAD students away from the F22 while we print new pulley wheels.   Foam on the nose continues, and we have been filling in some places with some bondo, before we add paper mache over the top. We are also close to putting on some base coat paint to our canopy. 
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Posted: 11/5/2021 10:46:00 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By guns762: + $215.00 for Lexan and Decal transfer material, fiberglass resin, fiberglass cloth, electrical boxes ________________________________________ = $1357.00 total as of 10/6/21 Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By guns762: Originally Posted By guns762: Originally Posted By guns762: Originally Posted By guns762: Originally Posted By guns762: Originally Posted By guns762: Originally Posted By guns762: Originally Posted By guns762: Update 5/6 1st delivery of plywood showed up this morning. Three sheets of 1/2" 4x8 total $196.77 So I can keep track of the costs for people interested...... Total cost as of 5/6/21 $196.77 Update 8/23 Total cost as of 5/6/21 $196.77 + $94.00 for 2x6, 2x2s and 1x2s _______________________________ Total spent so far $290.00 + 97.00 for two gallons of paint, rollers, brushes, tape, mask tape, rolling trays _________________________________________ Total cost as of 8/25/21 = $387.00 +$200.00 10 2x4s, 1 1/2" chipboard plywood, 1/2" all thread, 1/2" nuts and washers __________________________________________________ = $587.00 + $200 for 5 1/48 scale model aircraft - Spitfire, F-14, F-4, F-22, ME-109 ____________________________________________________ = Total as of 8/27/21 $787.00 + $65.00 for two gallons of blue paint _______________________________ = $852.00 total as of 9/10/21 __________________________________________ + $100 for new plywood, 1x2s and 2x2s + $952.00 total spent as of 9/14/21 + $190 for 1x8s, plywood, all-thread, screws _______________________________________ = $1142.00 total as of 9/30/21 + $215.00 for Lexan and Decal transfer material, fiberglass resin, fiberglass cloth, electrical boxes ________________________________________ = $1357.00 total as of 10/6/21 +150.00 for Lexan for mach cones, holographic paint, & extention cord for display _______________________________ $1507.00 total as of 11/5/21 |
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Posted: 11/5/2021 10:52:32 AM EDT
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@guns762
Do you have a high concentration of talented artists at your school, or are you managing, as a teacher, to unlock latent talent in these kids? Surely you have kids in your classes that can’t trace a stick figure? |
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Posted: 11/5/2021 11:51:23 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TrashWrencher: @guns762 Do you have a high concentration of talented artists at your school, or are you managing, as a teacher, to unlock latent talent in these kids? Surely you have kids in your classes that can’t trace a stick figure? I'm not sure my students are any different from any other population. I've definitely got kids who struggle.  My goal is to get kids to do better no matter where they begin. "Rendering" is only one skill point of creating Art. My classes stress observational skills, problem solving, craftsmanship, attention to detail, value contrast, Hue contrast. Those are my big points that I work with students on. The rendering, or how something is drawn part, obviously can get better with lots of practice, and we talk about that quite a bit. Worth ethic, and a host of other things are also stressed, but those are mostly life skills, not so much about art.When I look back at what my students produced in the early years of my career, and now, there are definitely some techniques/strategies/things that I teach now, that increase the success rate for students on different mediums. The other reason i see "so many" good artists is, I manage to keep many students in my classes for 4 years, and my beginning classes are overflowing. Students for the most part, enjoy my classroom. The more students I can get in here, the more we find are good at art and enjoy producing it. That is probably the most important aspect of my "success". Projects like the F22 and taxidermy bring in students that normally would never enroll in art classes. I've got a sculpture I'll get a photo of here in a bit that is quite good, and from just such a student. He is here 2hrs a day now, and spends one hour working on traditional art projects, the other working on our F22. The F22 project and those before it, sucked him in.  |
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Posted: 11/5/2021 11:58:16 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By guns762: I'm not sure my students are any different from any other population. I've definitely got kids who struggle. My goal is to get kids to do better no matter where they begin. "Rendering" is only one skill point of creating Art. My classes stress observational skills, problem solving, craftsmanship, attention to detail, value contrast, Hue contrast. Those are my big points that I work with students on. The rendering, or how something is drawn part, obviously can get better with lots of practice, and we talk about that quite a bit. Worth ethic, and a host of other things are also stressed, but those are mostly life skills, not so much about art.When I look back at what my students produced in the early years of my career, and now, there are definitely some techniques/strategies/things that I teach now, that increase the success rate for students on different mediums. The other reason i see "so many" good artists is, I manage to keep many students in my classes for 4 years, and my beginning classes are overflowing. Students for the most part, enjoy my classroom. The more students I can get in here, the more we find are good at art and enjoy producing it. That is probably the most important aspect of my "success". Projects like the F22 and taxidermy bring in students that normally would never enroll in art classes. I've got a sculpture I'll get a photo of here in a bit that is quite good, and from just such a student. He is here 2hrs a day now, and spends one hour working on traditional art projects, the other working on our F22. The F22 project and those before it, sucked him in. Dude, I'm 42, and you've sucked me in. The only art class I took in high school was Art 1, and I did that my senior year to graduate. It was literally the only credit I needed that year. I wish I'd had teachers (my English 2 and JROTC instructors notwithstanding) like you when I was an kid. I'd probably have done something better with my life. |
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Posted: 11/5/2021 12:06:45 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TrashWrencher: Dude, I'm 42, and you've sucked me in. The only art class I took in high school was Art 1, and I did that my senior year to graduate. It was literally the only credit I needed that year. I wish I'd had teachers (my English 2 and JROTC instructors notwithstanding) like you when I was an kid. I'd probably have done something better with my life. One of my opening lines when I begin Art 1 classes in the fall is, "If you suck at drawing stick figures, this is the right place for you."
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Posted: 11/5/2021 12:59:53 PM EDT
[Last Edit: guns762]
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Here is a typical student that frequently turns from a "I can't draw stick figures" to a 4yr art student. He described himself as a "redneck hick". He told me if someone had showed him this portrait sculpture when he was a freshman and told him he was capable of doing this, he would have told you, you were on meth.
He is a team leader on our F22 project too.   
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