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Posted: 12/3/2021 10:19:34 PM EDT
[Last Edit: AeroE]
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Posted: 12/4/2021 9:18:24 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By guns762: Fishing in is 60lb. We have plastic tubing in the weight and in the wood to help keep it from wearing. Steel cable was not working. It just is too stiff. We tried some very light cable. If it fails we have set it up to be replaceable. What about steel coated fishing leader? It's pretty flexible and less susceptible to wear then monofilament fishing line. |
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Posted: 12/4/2021 9:37:19 PM EDT
[Last Edit: brass]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By FB41: What about steel coated fishing leader? It's pretty flexible and less susceptible to wear then monofilament fishing line. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By FB41: Originally Posted By guns762: Fishing in is 60lb. We have plastic tubing in the weight and in the wood to help keep it from wearing. Steel cable was not working. It just is too stiff. We tried some very light cable. If it fails we have set it up to be replaceable. What about steel coated fishing leader? It's pretty flexible and less susceptible to wear then monofilament fishing line. I think as long as it's good fishing line like Spider Wire or other non-no-name line it should wear jut fine since he's got I'm guessing Polyethylene sleeves for it to shield from abrasion while in the wing (line isn't dragging along the edge of one of the sleeves/hioles) it should last a very long time. Steel may not be flexible enough until you get down to the size of a very light leader at which point it's about as only a bit more stout as the fishing line but less flexible. There's only a few pound load on it and not much for a shock load unless roll changes rapidly (or weigh sticks to a ail and falls a few seconds later, dry lube should protect that). |
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Posted: 12/4/2021 10:12:17 PM EDT
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So about them T-shirts, guns…
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Posted: 12/5/2021 9:20:32 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TrashWrencher: So about them T-shirts, guns… Yeah.... I'm getting tired of waiting too. I'm trying to get my artist to tweak it a bit more in a few spots. We need to have some input from ,ore students too, before we settle on the exact design.  Hopefully not too long after Christmas? 
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Posted: 12/5/2021 9:24:03 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By FB41: What about steel coated fishing leader? It's pretty flexible and less susceptible to wear then monofilament fishing line. I'll take a second look at the store on Monday. I need to grab some spray paint anyway. Maybe I can find something that might be better. |
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Posted: 12/5/2021 12:50:23 PM EDT
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I'm concerned that the fishing line will stretch over time - sounds like you have a replacement figgered out, but steel wire cables would stretch much less - albeit would require pulleys to make corner transitions, as they would saw right through your PVC pipe line guides.
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Posted: 12/5/2021 3:42:59 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By backbencher: I'm concerned that the fishing line will stretch over time - sounds like you have a replacement figgered out, but steel wire cables would stretch much less - albeit would require pulleys to make corner transitions, as they would saw right through your PVC pipe line guides. Stretching over time is not a problem with the way it is set up. We have pulleys in the corner. |
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Posted: 12/5/2021 5:28:09 PM EDT
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Braided fishing line is known for lack of stretch.
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Posted: 12/6/2021 10:45:18 AM EDT
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Update 12/6
Cold morning today in WY. 11F I'm hoping we get the main framing done on our vertical stabilizers today. We still need to run the 1/4"x3/4" strips to give them more structure before skinning.  Working on making the intakes look a bit more rounded at two of the corners.   Testing the landscape tiers on the wall.   Some fancy skin work behind the cockpit.  More sanding on the cockpit. Almost ready for another layer of paint. 
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Posted: 12/6/2021 1:05:48 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By guns762: +150.00 for Lexan for mach cones, holographic paint, & extention cord for display _______________________________ $1507.00 total as of 11/5/21 Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By guns762: Originally Posted By guns762: Originally Posted By guns762: Originally Posted By guns762: Originally Posted By guns762: Originally Posted By guns762: Originally Posted By guns762: Originally Posted By guns762: Originally Posted By guns762: Update 5/6 1st delivery of plywood showed up this morning. Three sheets of 1/2" 4x8 total $196.77 So I can keep track of the costs for people interested...... Total cost as of 5/6/21 $196.77 Update 8/23 Total cost as of 5/6/21 $196.77 + $94.00 for 2x6, 2x2s and 1x2s _______________________________ Total spent so far $290.00 + 97.00 for two gallons of paint, rollers, brushes, tape, mask tape, rolling trays _________________________________________ Total cost as of 8/25/21 = $387.00 +$200.00 10 2x4s, 1 1/2" chipboard plywood, 1/2" all thread, 1/2" nuts and washers __________________________________________________ = $587.00 + $200 for 5 1/48 scale model aircraft - Spitfire, F-14, F-4, F-22, ME-109 ____________________________________________________ = Total as of 8/27/21 $787.00 + $65.00 for two gallons of blue paint _______________________________ = $852.00 total as of 9/10/21 __________________________________________ + $100 for new plywood, 1x2s and 2x2s + $952.00 total spent as of 9/14/21 + $190 for 1x8s, plywood, all-thread, screws _______________________________________ = $1142.00 total as of 9/30/21 + $215.00 for Lexan and Decal transfer material, fiberglass resin, fiberglass cloth, electrical boxes ________________________________________ = $1357.00 total as of 10/6/21 +150.00 for Lexan for mach cones, holographic paint, & extention cord for display _______________________________ $1507.00 total as of 11/5/21 +$65 for spray paint & sandpaper +155 for dual light port box and fiber optic lights, vinyl table cloth, and LED light strips ___________________________________________ Total as of 12/6 $1727.00 |
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Posted: 12/6/2021 1:06:40 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AeroE: An Investor: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/348/snoopy_pretends_to_be_a_vulture_by_tatsu-2191102.jpg 
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Posted: 12/7/2021 11:56:36 AM EDT
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Update 12/7
Windowed walls going up on our control tower.   We have to have access holes in the top of the fuselage to attach the wings when they go on.    I was told the glazing putty was a "game changer". Thanks @Desertshark76239 We very much appreciate the gift.   Almost done with the tail fin structure.  Posters went up this morning.    |
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Posted: 12/7/2021 12:01:26 PM EDT
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I assume the stabilizers or tail fins are made to be easily removable? Because uh... that ain't fitting through a doorway.
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Posted: 12/7/2021 12:51:35 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By guns762: Update 12/7 Windowed walls going up on our control tower. https://i.imgur.com/Ol7dLZf.jpg https://i.imgur.com/FO4Vdfl.jpg We have to have access holes in the top of the fuselage to attach the wings when they go on. https://i.imgur.com/YjPRCQe.jpg https://i.imgur.com/UTr9dR4.jpg https://i.imgur.com/b9dUh4j.jpg I was told the glazing putty was a "game changer". Thanks @Desertshark76239 We very much appreciate the gift. https://i.imgur.com/kEIP88k.jpg Almost done with the tail fin structure. https://i.imgur.com/8vaN1tF.jpg Posters went up this morning. https://i.imgur.com/GCTBBzz.jpg https://i.imgur.com/myq6xHY.jpg https://i.imgur.com/yRg77Ce.jpg The posters are a nice touch. 
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Posted: 12/7/2021 1:42:26 PM EDT
[Last Edit: sgwlower]
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@guns762, if you have not yet--follow @markfingar on Instagram--not only is he an employee of Larue, but he is also friends with Cabo---the lead pilot of the F-22 flight demo team. He posts a ton of F-22 content.
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Posted: 12/7/2021 3:45:49 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Ashraam: I assume the stabilizers or tail fins are made to be easily removable? Because uh... that ain't fitting through a doorway. WAIT.....WHAT....!!!!!! ???????????????? !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! OH........SHIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII |
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Posted: 12/7/2021 3:46:55 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By guns762: WAIT.....WHAT....!!!!!! ???????????????? !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! OH........SHIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By guns762: Originally Posted By Ashraam: I assume the stabilizers or tail fins are made to be easily removable? Because uh... that ain't fitting through a doorway. WAIT.....WHAT....!!!!!! ???????????????? !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! OH........SHIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII I mean, it wouldn't be the first time you forgot that key detail. 
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Posted: 12/7/2021 3:48:21 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By sgwlower: @guns762, if you have not yet--follow @markfingar on Instagram--not only is he an employee of Larue, but he is also friends with Cabo---the lead pilot of the F-22 flight demo team. He posts a ton of F-22 content. If this has already been mentioned before--my apologies--I am late hopping on this one. I think earlier in the thread someone mentioned him. I think he might have even posted in this thread. I'd have to go back and look again.  We are getting closer to that point when finer details will need to be done, and the more references the better. We were just discussing this, earlier this morning. It always seems so simple, until we start digging deeper and see all that we have ignored up until now.
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Posted: 12/7/2021 3:49:22 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Ashraam: I mean, it wouldn't be the first time you forgot that key detail. Now, wait a dang minute, even an old dog like myself doesn't let that happen more than twice.....three times.....at the most.
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Posted: 12/7/2021 4:42:51 PM EDT
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Might just be the camera angle but the stabilizers look about 25% too long. Another conversion error?
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Posted: 12/7/2021 9:36:41 PM EDT
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Hope the posters are a hit, sorry, didn't know the blue was going to print out like that.
That is looking nice, and hey, now you can have two projects - the plane building team and the construction team who will learn basic techniques by widening and then restoring the doorways, eh?
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Posted: 12/7/2021 9:50:58 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By brass: Might just be the camera angle but the stabilizers look about 25% too long. Another conversion error? Pretty darn sure they are the exact right height, and spread at the tips.  We did a little brainstorming with my team leader tonight on how to attach them to the bottom slice. I think we have a decent plan tomorrow to attach them. |
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Posted: 12/8/2021 9:57:09 AM EDT
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Posted by a retired A-10 pilot I follow on Twitter.
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Posted: 12/8/2021 10:39:57 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AZNetEng: Posted by a retired A-10 pilot I follow on Twitter.
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Posted: 12/8/2021 12:32:14 PM EDT
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Update 12/8
Things are moving rapidly as far as the skin and rudder structure. Keeping ahead of my students is getting tougher to do. I usually try to have a basic plan for how we tackle each section, but they are overrunning my planning. I'm not sure we will go much further back on the fuselage than this for bit. We will transfer to working on the wing skin and stabilizer skin.   I'm diverting some of my skinners to some of the more obvious details in the fuselage skin that need addressed. They are working on the two small rectanglish grills above the intakes.  We are still detailing the intake edges and corners.  The canopy has another coat of paint on it, and he is sanding this down with 1000 grit paper before we add the holographic paint layer. Gold will be added after that.  We are still going to have some imperfections in the finish. The good news is, even students not working on the canopy are excited to see how it is turning out.   The vertical stabilizers/rudders are getting secured onto the removable bases today.   |
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Posted: 12/8/2021 1:00:51 PM EDT
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Every time I see "Cowboy" on the wall, I think, "Wasn't that the art that started the whole thing?"
Good job, crew, the investors seems to be pleased. (Especially when that whole "Will it fit" thing got sorted out.)
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Posted: 12/8/2021 2:54:04 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Mak_380: Every time I see "Cowboy" on the wall, I think, "Wasn't that the art that started the whole thing?" Good job, crew, the investors seems to be pleased. (Especially when that whole "Will it fit" thing got sorted out.) Cowboy was one of the very first thing we did when we moved into this school, yes, and Arfcom helped.
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Posted: 12/9/2021 12:36:20 AM EDT
[Last Edit: backbencher]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By guns762: Holy crap! You managed a clear canopy & didn't tell us! |
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Posted: 12/9/2021 11:38:50 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By backbencher: Holy crap! You managed a clear canopy & didn't tell us! I wish.  Lets see how the sanding and gold layers go today.
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Posted: 12/9/2021 1:19:28 PM EDT
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Update 12/9
In this post we hate angles and math. Our little jig to help us end up at the same spot with the tips of the rudders/stabilizers is great.....except......... Students were very precise in getting those fins to come up at a 15 degree angle from the bases. That's all cool, except that doesn't put the tips in the right spot if the bases aren't at the same angle to begin with.    We were off at the top, from center about 2". Optically, this is not that significantly obvious....till you see it. To fix this we had to adjust the anchor slides for the bases for the stabilizers. We just moved the bottoms of the right set of bases in slightly to increase the angle. This allowed the tip of the rudder to move outward just a bit.We are now identical.  Wing skin going on.    Gold layer going on. 
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Posted: 12/9/2021 2:49:09 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By guns762: Update 12/8 Things are moving rapidly as far as the skin and rudder structure. Keeping ahead of my students is getting tougher to do. I usually try to have a basic plan for how we tackle each section, but they are overrunning my planning. I'm not sure we will go much further back on the fuselage than this for bit. We will transfer to working on the wing skin and stabilizer skin. https://i.imgur.com/HGumCFK.jpg https://i.imgur.com/E3539ay.jpg I'm diverting some of my skinners to some of the more obvious details in the fuselage skin that need addressed. They are working on the two small rectanglish grills above the intakes. https://i.imgur.com/QeC0rUn.jpg We are still detailing the intake edges and corners. https://i.imgur.com/Us7HkML.jpg The canopy has another coat of paint on it, and he is sanding this down with 1000 grit paper before we add the holographic paint layer. Gold will be added after that. https://i.imgur.com/rVv9z3z.jpg We are still going to have some imperfections in the finish. The good news is, even students not working on the canopy are excited to see how it is turning out. https://i.imgur.com/oO2IKuw.jpg https://i.imgur.com/cd2Ztwn.jpg The vertical stabilizers/rudders are getting secured onto the removable bases today. https://i.imgur.com/xzo3tws.jpg https://i.imgur.com/KhNRRdy.jpg Same idea for every door and access panel. Studying overall photos will reveal which edge to follow. This is called, "planform alignment". Don't build a Chinese F-22 with features pointing every which direction. |
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Posted: 12/9/2021 4:25:36 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AeroE: The cutouts should have parallel edges, and be parallel with a major feature such as the wing leading edge or the upper edge of the inlet. Same idea for every door and access panel. Studying overall photos will reveal which edge to follow. This is called, "planform alignment". Don't build a Chinese F-22 with features pointing every which direction. Thanks, We will have to make patches that fit over the top of our access holes, and when we do, we will follow those guidelines. I told them this advice was from an Aero Engineer.....they said you should come build it then.
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Posted: 12/9/2021 4:36:21 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By guns762: Thanks, We will have to make patches that fit over the top of our access holes, and when we do, we will follow those guidelines. I told them this advice was from an Aero Engineer.....they said you should come build it then. Engineers design. Fabricators construct. |
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Posted: 12/9/2021 5:36:43 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By guns762: Thanks, We will have to make patches that fit over the top of our access holes, and when we do, we will follow those guidelines. I told them this advice was from an Aero Engineer.....they said you should come build it then. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By guns762: Originally Posted By AeroE: The cutouts should have parallel edges, and be parallel with a major feature such as the wing leading edge or the upper edge of the inlet. Same idea for every door and access panel. Studying overall photos will reveal which edge to follow. This is called, "planform alignment". Don't build a Chinese F-22 with features pointing every which direction. Thanks, We will have to make patches that fit over the top of our access holes, and when we do, we will follow those guidelines. I told them this advice was from an Aero Engineer.....they said you should come build it then. That's typical...engineer says it needs to be done a certain way and fab says "screw you, I'm doing it my way."
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Posted: 12/9/2021 6:00:33 PM EDT
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Everyone say "Hi" to the students.....they are here today pulling pictures for their digital portfolios.
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Posted: 12/9/2021 6:03:33 PM EDT
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 Hi, Students! Keep up the good work! 
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Posted: 12/9/2021 6:49:51 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Mak_380: Hi, Students! Keep up the good work! Hi y'all- best investments I've made in a long time. Keep it up!
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Posted: 12/9/2021 7:24:22 PM EDT
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You guys rock.
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Posted: 12/9/2021 7:30:17 PM EDT
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Hey, y'all. Now quit reading comments and get back to doing what you're supposed to be doing.
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Posted: 12/9/2021 7:33:08 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By hoosierhick: That's typical...engineer says it needs to be done a certain way and fab says "screw you, I'm doing it my way." Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By hoosierhick: Originally Posted By guns762: Originally Posted By AeroE: The cutouts should have parallel edges, and be parallel with a major feature such as the wing leading edge or the upper edge of the inlet. Same idea for every door and access panel. Studying overall photos will reveal which edge to follow. This is called, "planform alignment". Don't build a Chinese F-22 with features pointing every which direction. Thanks, We will have to make patches that fit over the top of our access holes, and when we do, we will follow those guidelines. I told them this advice was from an Aero Engineer.....they said you should come build it then. That's typical...engineer says it needs to be done a certain way and fab says "screw you, I'm doing it my way." I would correct the alignment of one edge, then make the other edge parallel. |
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Posted: 12/9/2021 7:57:57 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By guns762: Everyone say "Hi" to the students.....they are here today pulling pictures for their digital portfolios. |
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Posted: 12/9/2021 7:59:45 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By guns762: Thanks, We will have to make patches that fit over the top of our access holes, and when we do, we will follow those guidelines. I told them this advice was from an Aero Engineer.....they said you should come build it then. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By guns762: Originally Posted By AeroE: The cutouts should have parallel edges, and be parallel with a major feature such as the wing leading edge or the upper edge of the inlet. Same idea for every door and access panel. Studying overall photos will reveal which edge to follow. This is called, "planform alignment". Don't build a Chinese F-22 with features pointing every which direction. Thanks, We will have to make patches that fit over the top of our access holes, and when we do, we will follow those guidelines. I told them this advice was from an Aero Engineer.....they said you should come build it then.  |
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Posted: 12/9/2021 10:03:11 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AZNetEng: So... GoFundMe for airfare and hotel? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AZNetEng: Originally Posted By guns762: Originally Posted By AeroE: The cutouts should have parallel edges, and be parallel with a major feature such as the wing leading edge or the upper edge of the inlet. Same idea for every door and access panel. Studying overall photos will reveal which edge to follow. This is called, "planform alignment". Don't build a Chinese F-22 with features pointing every which direction. Thanks, We will have to make patches that fit over the top of our access holes, and when we do, we will follow those guidelines. I told them this advice was from an Aero Engineer.....they said you should come build it then. |
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Posted: 12/9/2021 10:43:34 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AeroE: Heck, that would work. I've been pining for a trip to Wyoming, and there's nothing to stop me. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AeroE: Originally Posted By AZNetEng: Originally Posted By guns762: Originally Posted By AeroE: The cutouts should have parallel edges, and be parallel with a major feature such as the wing leading edge or the upper edge of the inlet. Same idea for every door and access panel. Studying overall photos will reveal which edge to follow. This is called, "planform alignment". Don't build a Chinese F-22 with features pointing every which direction. Thanks, We will have to make patches that fit over the top of our access holes, and when we do, we will follow those guidelines. I told them this advice was from an Aero Engineer.....they said you should come build it then.  |
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Posted: 12/9/2021 11:03:31 PM EDT
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Hello to the imaginary people on the internet that have entirely replaced my wardrobe w/ awesome t-shirts that raise a lot of questions among my friends.
Why does your t-shirt say Doorgunner? You were a door gunner? I can neither confirm nor deny there was ever a Space Shuttle named Wyoming... |
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Posted: 12/9/2021 11:04:34 PM EDT
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Love these threads
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Posted: 12/9/2021 11:21:07 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By david05111: Love these threads |
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Posted: 12/10/2021 12:32:33 AM EDT
[Last Edit: brass]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By david05111: Love these threads +1 I don't' know what the plan with the gold and iridecent is, it's looking very opaque right now, coats pretty thick but there may be a reason the base wasn't made alight color and why it isn't covering all of the cockpit. If it's Krylon, it can be sanded with with 600/400 and act just like super thin putty for filling scratches. Once you get a base/foundation down that is absolutely perfect you add just add thin ones for details to ghost through, then a clear coat it to lock it all together and stop fading/chalk buildup (it's Super Ease to spray, thick so doesn't run as easily, still, use medium thick coats rather than heavy for deep gloss). Don't always try to do one better, messes happen that way. Try to do one better on next project. |
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Posted: 12/10/2021 6:08:21 AM EDT
[Last Edit: EBR666]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By backbencher:n I can neither confirm nor deny there was ever a Space Shuttle named Wyoming... I had A LOT of fun with a couple guys one day when they asked " The space shuttle had a door gunner?" I related my answer back to Pres. Regan's star wars project. It went that the Skunk Works developed a shuttle with high power lasers and the Operators would sit at a console located next to a door with a window to run the laser guns to shoot the missiles in flight. Hook-line-and-sinker man Hook-line-and-sinker I still wonder if they still believe the story. EBR |
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