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Posted: 9/20/2018 8:41:12 PM EST
[#1]
Yeah, these guys will likely walk. At most, plea out to a brief stay in the pokie and probation.
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NC, USA
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Posted: 9/20/2018 8:44:19 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By pcsutton:
Come on, just admit it...you're one of those people who don't believe in carrying a gun for self protection....and that we should all cower in fear and run away from danger. Especially if we have physical limitations due to age or infirmity. I carry everyday. Doesn't mean I have to be a knuckle dragging asshole twitching to shoot someone. Using good and common sense and wisely picking your battles goes a long way towards keeping your finances and freedom intact. You sound like someone who is actually scared of society. Fear biting dogs are dangerous and so are fearful people that carry. I'll ALWAYS avoid a confrontation if possible. It's just good business. I have nothing to prove and hope to God I never find myself in a situation where I actually really need to draw and fire. Complicates your life. ALWAYS costs money. I don't think we should all cower in fear BUT, I'll "run away " from danger when I can...... just like these two heroes should have.... and will most definitely wish they did for the rest of their lives. I am prepared to defend myself and my family and I'll save all the trouble and heartache for when it really matters. I'll walk away from an unstable nut every time if I can. It just ain't worth it. That we should meekly accept being fined by the city code compliance folks for having foreign substances in their precious garbage dumpster instead of trying to follow the law. That we have no business tending to our daily lives or minding our own business...because a boogey man might confront us. Or that we have no right to self defense when confronted by a lunatic, screaming that he's gonna kill us, because we are tending to our personal business. LOL! My garbage isn't high on my list of things to worry about . You keep defending the dynamic duo who went out looking for trouble. Seems that you can't follow any logic, even after the facts are laid out for you. Yeah, fact is two fat shirtless guys went out looking for trouble and found it. Now they will regret it for the rest of their lives. Bet on that. Why are you on a gun board again? Well, not to show how badass I am or how willing I am to shoot another human being when it is completely avoidable. That's for sure. If I can avoid killing someone I will and have. I have no bloodlust or fantasies of seeing blood and hearing my firearm go bang. Sometimes like in this particular case I don't feel the need to follow the 11th commandment of " stand muh ground ". But, you be you and if the big bad man has shit running down your leg you do what you think you need to do. Don't walk away and let karma or the police deal with him, just shoot him and change your life forever if you think it's worth it. |
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USA
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Posted: 9/20/2018 8:46:24 PM EST
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Say what you want about the father/son shake 'n bake duo, but they did just what they said they would. The son shoulder mounted that shotgun and let him have it. Dad backing up the son, son backing up the dad. Not the best shoot, but I wouldn't convict them of murder.
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Posted: 9/20/2018 8:46:43 PM EST
[Last Edit: TX03RUBI]
[#4]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 74novaman: It is a case of assholes colliding. Only difference between them is you assumed guilt and innocence of the assholes based on a partial recording released by the dead assholes significant other and the poor conclusions you drew from that partial recording. Don’t do that. |
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Posted: 9/20/2018 8:47:41 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 3rdpig:
It's amazing to me how different some of us here see the exact same event. It's also surprising how some just invent things that aren't in the video, or are in the video but are the exact opposite of their invention, or hasn't been reported on at all. The most egregious of these are "fatties came with the intent" and "fatty Dad came out with gun in hand". And there are others as well. Seriously, if you're saying this stuff you need to stop and listen carefully. You don't really know these things, you made them up. While you may believe it's true, you had to make it up first. And that's a mental illness right there. If I were you I'd stop doing this because it's only going to cause you serious grief in life. And that's my PSA for the day. Now I'll crack a beer and enjoy the stupidity.  |
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TX, USA
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Posted: 9/20/2018 8:48:13 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By frayedknot: You know the old guy had the pistol in his hand from the beginning? And why does carrying a pistol in one’s hand automatically mean they are looking for trouble? All this is, is a case of two dumbasses colliding. Neither one was right. |
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Posted: 9/20/2018 8:48:14 PM EST
[#7]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Aimless:
If the prosecution can prove the shooters provoked the dead guy I think the shooters lose their self defense claim. You never know but also keep in mind these two idiots also probably gave very damning statements to investigators. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Aimless:
Originally Posted By Towely: No and that's going to hurt them in court but that is the only bit of evidence I'm seeing that's going to really hurt them. Factoring in the conversation prior to him saying "take your swing" and I don't see it as enough for a conviction. The only reason, it will be argued, that they no longer acted in fear for their lives is because they were armed. Prior to brandishing their firearms they absolutely were in fear for their lives(which for all I know could be true with how psycho the dearly departed was). Despite being armed once dead dude decided to arm himself with a bat they were back at being in fear for their lives. The defense is likely going to argue that the shooters were in fear for their lives and didn't even know how to respond to the levels of aggression they were faced with. That guy was WELL off the rails prior to the antagonizing. I did cringe when I heard him telling the guy to take a swing. |
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Posted: 9/20/2018 8:48:26 PM EST
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Posted: 9/20/2018 8:50:04 PM EST
[#9]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TX03RUBI: I didn’t assume innocence. I assumed guilt on all sides. I still think that the father and son duo are just as guilty. It’s not their job to be the neighborhood trash patrol. If they felt the need to take weapons out there then they shouldn’t have been there in the first place. Like I said assholes. Everyone of them. |
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Posted: 9/20/2018 8:52:14 PM EST
[#10]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By war_path:
Say what you want about the father/son shake 'n bake duo, but they did just what they said they would. The son shoulder mounted that shotgun and let him have it. Dad backing up the son, son backing up the dad. Not the best shoot, but I wouldn't convict them of murder. |
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Posted: 9/20/2018 8:57:53 PM EST
[#11]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TDIllini:
In TX you aren't supposed to display a handgun in plain view of another person without it being secured by a holster. That is, unless you are trying to prevent another use or attempted use of unlawful deadly force. So if he strolled around the alley with the pistol out trying to impose his own will with the garbage situation, he has already committed a crime (brandishing). They're going to have to argue that his conduct was immediately necessary to prevent against imminent harm. And given the info we have so far I think he can make a case (orange t-shirt guy is probably unbalanced), but I don't think it is a strong one. All this is, is a case of two dumbasses colliding. Neither one was right. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TDIllini:
Originally Posted By frayedknot: You know the old guy had the pistol in his hand from the beginning? And why does carrying a pistol in one’s hand automatically mean they are looking for trouble? All this is, is a case of two dumbasses colliding. Neither one was right. |
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Posted: 9/20/2018 9:00:17 PM EST
[#12]
At first I thought jr had a bikini top on.
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NC, USA
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Posted: 9/20/2018 9:01:37 PM EST
[#13]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Aimless:
A banana slug with a tie could get an indictment. Can you imagine what statements the fatsos made? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Aimless:
Originally Posted By Bama-Shooter: They will not be convicted. Not sure it will pass a Grand Jury. |
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NC, USA
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Posted: 9/20/2018 9:02:20 PM EST
[Last Edit: Dipper]
[#14]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Towely:
That's a great point, these guys don't strike me as the "smart enough to not talk to cops after a deadly use of force event" type. The defense is likely going to argue that the shooters were in fear for their lives and didn't even know how to respond to the levels of aggression they were faced with. FFS! Are you serious ? Did you watch the vid? First, did you see Junior who is supposedly " in fear for his life " with that shotgun slung over his shoulder like he was waiting his turn at the local skeet match? He looked like a bad movie extra . Did he look " in fear for his life" to you ? Did fat ass Dad look " in fear for his life" when he was taunting Mr. Orange shirt to swing on him? You think that was such a display of high level aggression? You must have lived a sheltered damn life. I've had bosses yell at me worse than that. Now Mr. Orange shirt / dead guy was highly pissed because HE was confronted with TWO guys and TWO firearms...... that's a level of aggression WAY above words and rantings. That guy was WELL off the rails prior to the antagonizing. I did cringe when I heard him telling the guy to take a swing. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Towely:
Originally Posted By Aimless:
Originally Posted By Towely: No and that's going to hurt them in court but that is the only bit of evidence I'm seeing that's going to really hurt them. Factoring in the conversation prior to him saying "take your swing" and I don't see it as enough for a conviction. The only reason, it will be argued, that they no longer acted in fear for their lives is because they were armed. Prior to brandishing their firearms they absolutely were in fear for their lives(which for all I know could be true with how psycho the dearly departed was). Despite being armed once dead dude decided to arm himself with a bat they were back at being in fear for their lives. The defense is likely going to argue that the shooters were in fear for their lives and didn't even know how to respond to the levels of aggression they were faced with. FFS! Are you serious ? Did you watch the vid? First, did you see Junior who is supposedly " in fear for his life " with that shotgun slung over his shoulder like he was waiting his turn at the local skeet match? He looked like a bad movie extra . Did he look " in fear for his life" to you ? Did fat ass Dad look " in fear for his life" when he was taunting Mr. Orange shirt to swing on him? You think that was such a display of high level aggression? You must have lived a sheltered damn life. I've had bosses yell at me worse than that. Now Mr. Orange shirt / dead guy was highly pissed because HE was confronted with TWO guys and TWO firearms...... that's a level of aggression WAY above words and rantings. That guy was WELL off the rails prior to the antagonizing. I did cringe when I heard him telling the guy to take a swing. |
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USA
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Posted: 9/20/2018 9:04:57 PM EST
[Last Edit: Pike]
[#15]
"...trying to impose his own will with the garbage situation..."
It's the city's rules for use of a shared can. Retard with the cell phone said: "If it's not in the can they won't take it!". No shit lady, a mattress/box spring is bulky trash and has separate handling rules. Any moron would understand if you can't close the lid, vermin get in the garbage and spread garbage all over the place. Any moron would understand an entire mattress IN the can uses up pretty much all the space even if closing the lid weren't important (which it is). I'm surprised Abilene requires sane (even if fat) people to share a single trash can with neighbors (especially when those neighbors are both profoundly stupid and insane). |
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Posted: 9/20/2018 9:06:42 PM EST
[#16]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Roost426:
2 guys with real firearms and this guys plan is to continue being a dick and get a bat or a BB gun . Multiple assholes collidedMeth is a hell of a drug. |
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Posted: 9/20/2018 9:08:20 PM EST
[#17]
Takeaway is "don't threaten to kill two people with guns"
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Posted: 9/20/2018 9:12:07 PM EST
[#18]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Doom85:
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NC, USA
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Posted: 9/20/2018 9:13:44 PM EST
[#19]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Aimless:
Who knows what happened off camera but they were pumping themselves up to shoot him. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Aimless:
Originally Posted By beardog296: Depends on the jury. Anyone with half a brain can figure out from the moments leading up to the shooting exactly what orange shirt did. I'm not saying I want the fatties for my neighbors, but something caused them to shoot and it wasn't mean words. |
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Posted: 9/20/2018 9:14:00 PM EST
[#20]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Pike:
"...trying to impose his own will with the garbage situation..."
It's the city's rules for use of a shared can. Retard with the cell phone said: "If it's not in the can they won't take it!". No shit lady, a mattress/box spring is bulky trash and has separate handling rules. Any moron would understand if you can't close the lid, vermin get in the garbage and spread garbage all over the place. Any moron would understand an entire mattress IN the can uses up pretty much all the space even if closing the lid weren't important (which it is). I'm surprised Abilene requires sane (even if fat) people to share a single trash can with neighbors (especially when those neighbors are both profoundly stupid and insane). |
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Posted: 9/20/2018 9:18:36 PM EST
[#21]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Doom85:
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Posted: 9/20/2018 9:24:33 PM EST
[#22]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Pike:
"...trying to impose his own will with the garbage situation..."
It's the city's rules for use of a shared can. Retard with the cell phone said: "If it's not in the can they won't take it!". No shit lady, a mattress/box spring is bulky trash and has separate handling rules. Any moron would understand if you can't close the lid, vermin get in the garbage and spread garbage all over the place. Any moron would understand an entire mattress IN the can uses up pretty much all the space even if closing the lid weren't important (which it is). I'm surprised Abilene requires sane (even if fat) people to share a single trash can with neighbors (especially when those neighbors are both profoundly stupid and insane). |
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Posted: 9/20/2018 9:26:47 PM EST
[#23]
Tag for the outcome of this nonsense.
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Posted: 9/20/2018 9:26:54 PM EST
[#24]
Retards but not guilty.
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Posted: 9/20/2018 9:31:11 PM EST
[#25]
Why didn't they take and then destroy the cell phone? Of course that would be wrong too. Maybe I've subconciously chosen their side.
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Posted: 9/20/2018 9:32:12 PM EST
[#26]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Doom85:
http://i.4cdn.org/k/1537487940814.png |
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Posted: 9/20/2018 9:33:24 PM EST
[#27]
Those idiots will be real popular in prison.
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Posted: 9/20/2018 9:37:11 PM EST
[Last Edit: boltcatch]
[#28]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By frayedknot:
I thought Texans valued freedom? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By frayedknot:
Originally Posted By TDIllini:
Originally Posted By frayedknot: You know the old guy had the pistol in his hand from the beginning? And why does carrying a pistol in one’s hand automatically mean they are looking for trouble? All this is, is a case of two dumbasses colliding. Neither one was right. If these two guys had been standing there with holstered pistols when Mr. Rage-problem produced the bat, then they'd have been a lot better off. As it is, they still may walk anyways. If they do, ironically the video will have helped that happen. |
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Posted: 9/20/2018 9:38:23 PM EST
[#29]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By JVD:
Fucking Wyatt Burp and the shootout at the Golden Corral
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FL, USA
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Posted: 9/20/2018 9:40:08 PM EST
[#30]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TX03RUBI: No I’m not saying because they had guns they were looking for a fight. I’m saying because they arrived guns in hand they were looking for a fight. If you go looking to confront an individual that is unarmed, then keep the fucker holstered or don’t do it at all. Or is self defense in your world limited to only certain firearms? How did they ascertain that the enraged man was in fact, unarmed? You are denying them their right to defend themselves because they are holding firearms. You didn't answer my question: Since they did have firearms in their hands, what acts of violence do you believe they have to tolerate before they can use those firearms? |
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Posted: 9/20/2018 9:40:51 PM EST
[#31]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By j0eschm0:
When two dudes with guns tell you to get off their property... get the fuck off their property. Even if it isn't actually theirs. JFC, hate to say it, but the fucker that got smoked fucking BEGGED for it. So, they gave it to him. Zero Fucks Given. 
I will say the son didn't wait to shoot that shotgun and cover his dad. He needs to practice with it...you see it flop out of his hands...lol. I seriously don't care and that is what I would tell the wife after I let them walk. |
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Posted: 9/20/2018 9:41:40 PM EST
[#32]
Seriously like a episode of trailer park boys This 100%. |
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Posted: 9/20/2018 9:43:51 PM EST
[#33]
:20 "Come closer to me, I'm gonna kill ya
:33 "point it at me, motherfucker! Point it at me! (Saying this while stepping towards the old guy with his fist balled up and jerking his arm back) :37 Take your swing :45 "I will kill you dead, I promise, you're both dead. :50 "Ahh, I doubt it" :55 "You're in a alley with a fucking shotgun, you piece of shit. I'm going to kill you" :58 "I doubt it" 1:00 "First of all; If you're gonna show this video to the cops, you might want to stop saying you're gonna kill us" 1:03 "Oh no! I don't give a fuck! I will fucking Kill you! 1:05 "back off" 1:10 "pull that gun one more time, I'll put a bullet through your head" Approximately 30 seconds of old guy saying "Take your swing" and Orange dude saying "Point it at me" 1:30 "You're a dead man" 1:30 "I doubt it" 1:38 "You're a bitch and I'm gonna kill you too" 1:39 "Fuck you, cocksucker" 1:40 "Fuck you, you little faggot" And something else I couldn't make out 1:45 "jagoff" 1:48 "You're dead" 1:50 A couple "Ahh doubt it" and a "better quit threaten" 1:55 "Gimme that gun" mumbling "Gimme the baseball bat" 2:00 "if you come within 3 foot of me I'm gonna kill ya" 2:10 "You're dead" https://www.star-telegram.com/news/local/community/fort-worth/article218728710.html As tempers flare, Box steps in between her husband and John Miller. Howard’s brother has handed him a baseball bat by this time, but he never swung it, his wife said.
“If you come within 3 feet of me, I’m going to kill you,” Miller tells Howard. Seconds later, two gunshots are heard. The video also shows Michael Miller firing the shotgun after the first two shots are fired. https://ktxs.com/news/abilene/caught-on-camera-abilene-father-son-kill-neighbor-over-trash KTXS reached out to Taylor County District Attorney Jim Hicks for a comment. He had not yet seen the video and asked us to send him a copy. |
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Posted: 9/20/2018 9:45:21 PM EST
[Last Edit: Towely]
[#34]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Dipper:
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Dipper:
Originally Posted By Towely:
Originally Posted By Aimless:
Originally Posted By Towely: No and that's going to hurt them in court but that is the only bit of evidence I'm seeing that's going to really hurt them. Factoring in the conversation prior to him saying "take your swing" and I don't see it as enough for a conviction. The only reason, it will be argued, that they no longer acted in fear for their lives is because they were armed. Prior to brandishing their firearms they absolutely were in fear for their lives(which for all I know could be true with how psycho the dearly departed was). Despite being armed once dead dude decided to arm himself with a bat they were back at being in fear for their lives. The defense is likely going to argue that the shooters were in fear for their lives and didn't even know how to respond to the levels of aggression they were faced with. FFS! Are you serious ? Did you watch the vid? First, did you see Junior who is supposedly " in fear for his life " with that shotgun slung over his shoulder like he was waiting his turn at the local skeet match? He looked like a bad movie extra . Did he look " in fear for his life" to you ? Did fat ass Dad look " in fear for his life" when he was taunting Mr. Orange shirt to swing on him? You think that was such a display of high level aggression? You must have lived a sheltered damn life. I've had bosses yell at me worse than that. Now Mr. Orange shirt / dead guy was highly pissed because HE was confronted with TWO guys and TWO firearms...... that's a level of aggression WAY above words and rantings. That guy was WELL off the rails prior to the antagonizing. I did cringe when I heard him telling the guy to take a swing.
Alrighty then... As impressed as I am with your ability to let your bosses treat you like shit without walking, I'm a Marine and have been on the receiving end of some pretty substantial ass chewings. If you can't understand the difference between getting cussed out by your boss and encountering an emotionally unstable retard in the streets then I really can't help you. edit: Yeah, that guy was clearly in fear when he was saying "Take your swing." Your inability to read body language and catch verbal cues doesn't change that. Apparently you know exactly what happened prior to the camera rolling. Source? |
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Posted: 9/20/2018 9:47:01 PM EST
[#35]
What round for man-titties?
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Posted: 9/20/2018 9:53:26 PM EST
[#36]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Tachyon_01:
What round for man-titties? |
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Posted: 9/20/2018 9:53:43 PM EST
[#37]
Poor guy.
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Posted: 9/20/2018 9:55:26 PM EST
[#38]
Quote HistoryQuote HistoryOriginally Posted By Wreckshooter:
Article “That day,” said Box. “The first time they had ever talked.” “His son fired with a shotgun and I guess it was a scattershot because it took his eye, the top of his head, his ear,” said Box. “He had what’s called IED (intermittent explosive disorder), but he was getting help for it," Box said. Box said that the argument escalated in a way that she never could have imagined, with the Millers pulling out guns and Howard wielding a baseball bat.
"He [Howard] didn’t even swing it, he threw it over both of their heads and it landed behind them in the alley,” Box said. “That’s when the old man fired past my face and shot Aaron in the chest twice with the pistol.” After that, Michael proceeded to fire at Howard for himself. “His son fired with a shotgun and I guess it was a scattershot because it took his eye, the top of his head, his ear,” said Box. Box and Howard were together for nearly two years and helped each other through their personal struggles in life, such as Howard's lifelong battle with mental health issues. “He had what’s called IED (intermittent explosive disorder), but he was getting help for it," Box said. Wife admitted he was armed with a baseball bat and threw at them after threatening them with death. I seriously doubt they are getting convicted of murder. I could easily see them getting off completely. |
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Posted: 9/20/2018 9:55:29 PM EST
[#39]
Quote HistoryQuote HistoryOriginally Posted By Wreckshooter:
Article “He had what’s called IED (intermittent explosive disorder), but he was getting help for it," Box said. |
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Posted: 9/20/2018 9:59:26 PM EST
[#40]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By DrJekell:
Not according to the wife. |
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Posted: 9/20/2018 10:04:37 PM EST
[#41]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Doom85:
http://i.4cdn.org/k/1537487940814.png Great work! |
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Posted: 9/20/2018 10:10:32 PM EST
[#42]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Alembic:
Why didn't they take and then destroy the cell phone? Of course that would be wrong too. Maybe I've subconciously chosen their side. Course the video might have already been on the cloud and once you rob the wife and destroy evidence you've lost your shot at self defense |
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OK, USA
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Posted: 9/20/2018 10:14:21 PM EST
[#43]
Anyone else see the guy in the black tank top?
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Posted: 9/20/2018 10:15:09 PM EST
[#44]
Do you get that Pretrial hearing in Texas over self defense?
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Posted: 9/20/2018 10:19:53 PM EST
[#45]
If the two fat guys were replaced with clean-cut police officers, everyone here would be saying "good shoot;" even the Californians who are too embarrassed to display their state.
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Posted: 9/20/2018 10:22:26 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By fargo007: How should he have holstered his shotgun? Or is self defense in your world limited to only certain firearms? How did they ascertain that the enraged man was in fact, unarmed? You are denying them their right to defend themselves because they are holding firearms. You didn't answer my question: Since they did have firearms in their hands, what acts of violence do you believe they have to tolerate before they can use those firearms? |
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OH, USA
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Posted: 9/20/2018 10:23:55 PM EST
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Looking at court records against the guy (Orange shirt)
16 criminal record hits Felony retaliation (Threatening someone, but dismissed) Harrasment Class A Criminal mischeif 7 thefts civil/family/probate 3 evictions 1 protection order The old guy Assault w/ deadly weapon in '77 (Reduced to minor level) 2 felony charges of theft in '79 (Dropped?) unlawful carrying of firearm in '79 (dropped) retaliation (I can't find whether these charges stuck or not). Mr Moustache chesthair No criminal or civil records i could find. |
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Posted: 9/20/2018 10:37:04 PM EST
[#48]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Dipper:
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Dipper:
Originally Posted By pcsutton:
Come on, just admit it...you're one of those people who don't believe in carrying a gun for self protection....and that we should all cower in fear and run away from danger. Especially if we have physical limitations due to age or infirmity. I carry everyday. Doesn't mean I have to be a knuckle dragging asshole twitching to shoot someone. Using good and common sense and wisely picking your battles goes a long way towards keeping your finances and freedom intact. You sound like someone who is actually scared of society. Fear biting dogs are dangerous and so are fearful people that carry. I'll ALWAYS avoid a confrontation if possible. It's just good business. I have nothing to prove and hope to God I never find myself in a situation where I actually really need to draw and fire. Complicates your life. ALWAYS costs money. I don't think we should all cower in fear BUT, I'll "run away " from danger when I can...... just like these two heroes should have.... and will most definitely wish they did for the rest of their lives. I am prepared to defend myself and my family and I'll save all the trouble and heartache for when it really matters. I'll walk away from an unstable nut every time if I can. It just ain't worth it. That we should meekly accept being fined by the city code compliance folks for having foreign substances in their precious garbage dumpster instead of trying to follow the law. That we have no business tending to our daily lives or minding our own business...because a boogey man might confront us. Or that we have no right to self defense when confronted by a lunatic, screaming that he's gonna kill us, because we are tending to our personal business. LOL! My garbage isn't high on my list of things to worry about . You keep defending the dynamic duo who went out looking for trouble. Seems that you can't follow any logic, even after the facts are laid out for you. Yeah, fact is two fat shirtless guys went out looking for trouble and found it. Now they will regret it for the rest of their lives. Bet on that. Why are you on a gun board again? Well, not to show how badass I am or how willing I am to shoot another human being when it is completely avoidable. That's for sure. If I can avoid killing someone I will and have. I have no bloodlust or fantasies of seeing blood and hearing my firearm go bang. Sometimes like in this particular case I don't feel the need to follow the 11th commandment of " stand muh ground ". But, you be you and if the big bad man has shit running down your leg you do what you think you need to do. Don't walk away and let karma or the police deal with him, just shoot him and change your life forever if you think it's worth it. |
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Posted: 9/20/2018 10:39:49 PM EST
[#49]
Not guilty if I'm on the jury. Also, they best have some carbonated beverages during jury deliberations.
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Posted: 9/20/2018 10:42:57 PM EST
[Last Edit: Pike]
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Good that TX is a grand jury state if you are a defendant in this case.
Prosecutor can present what he wants to the grand jury in the way he wants to present it. Prosecutor doesn't own the grand jury's no bill. |
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