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Originally Posted By guns762: Thank you, that is a very nice compliment. I question my choice of profession often, but I know I've got a pretty awesome job compared other options. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By guns762: Originally Posted By TontoGoldstein: OP, I doubt that you can comprehend what a blessing you are to your students past and present. Thank you, that is a very nice compliment. I question my choice of profession often, but I know I've got a pretty awesome job compared other options. I hope your students realize this too. It would be a shame if they didn't appreciate what they have. I still remember my best teachers. |
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Just got done changing out the florescent lights in 3 different fixtures; two different breakout areas.
This school had gotten to be a bitch to change the bulbs in. They ought to fire the guy whos hung up all this stuff. |
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Originally Posted By guns762: Just got done changing out the florescent lights in 3 different fixtures; two different breakout areas. This school had gotten to be a bitch to change the bulbs in. They ought to fire the guy whos hung up all this stuff. View Quote Are you swapping them in with the direct replacement LED bulbs? Never have to mess with again, and brighter to boot. Never regretted that switch, though the new LED fixture would have been better with the frosted look instead of diamonds. Some need you to bypass the ballast, but there are a few with power condition built in that work with ballast connected. |
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Originally Posted By brass: Are you swapping them in with the direct replacement LED bulbs? Never have to mess with again, and brighter to boot. Never regretted that switch, though the new LED fixture would have been better with the frosted look instead of diamonds. Some need you to bypass the ballast, but there are a few with power condition built in that work with ballast connected. View Quote I asked about LEDs, and was told these old ones were so cheap they use them. I'd I have to replace the difficult ones again, I may pay for LEDs out of my own pocket.....lol. Replacing them is not normally my job, but the difficulty in getting to them gets them put on my list. |
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Originally Posted By guns762: Probably coming at the end of Feb???? The design is getting cleaned up a bit. Back is close to finished. https://i.imgur.com/luqYXBb.png View Quote I'm in no matter what! |
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Originally Posted By guns762: I asked about LEDs, and was told these old ones were so cheap they use them. I'd I have to replace the difficult ones again, I may pay for LEDs out of my own pocket.....lol. Replacing them is not normally my job, but the difficulty in getting to them gets them put on my list. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By guns762: Originally Posted By brass: Are you swapping them in with the direct replacement LED bulbs? Never have to mess with again, and brighter to boot. Never regretted that switch, though the new LED fixture would have been better with the frosted look instead of diamonds. Some need you to bypass the ballast, but there are a few with power condition built in that work with ballast connected. I asked about LEDs, and was told these old ones were so cheap they use them. I'd I have to replace the difficult ones again, I may pay for LEDs out of my own pocket.....lol. Replacing them is not normally my job, but the difficulty in getting to them gets them put on my list. For the school, The "cheap" bulbs they use are good for 8 months to a year, while LED are good for 6-10 years. Might want to re-think that financially, plus they use less power. Though I understand, it's their policy and they've got a couple crates of them at various schools already so that is what they're going to use. Yeah, hard spots are where I put LEDs, like car corners where you practically need to pull the fender liner off, then the fender, and finally realize you need to loosen the bumper cover to get to. (Then, a year later, somebody asks why you didn't just pull the battery and use that access panel? ) Car stuff always get an LED swap. Automotive in general so I don't have to worry about being randomly pulled over due to a light being burned out. |
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The person who complains most, and is the most critical of others has the most to hide.
All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident. |
Originally Posted By brass: For the school, The "cheap" bulbs they use are good for 8 months to a year, while LED are good for 6-10 years. Might want to re-think that financially, plus they use less power. Though I understand, it's their policy and they've got a couple crates of them at various schools already so that is what they're going to use. Yeah, hard spots are where I put LEDs, like car corners where you practically need to pull the fender liner off, then the fender, and finally realize you need to loosen the bumper cover to get to. (Then, a year later, somebody asks why you didn't just pull the battery and use that access panel? ) Car stuff always get an LED swap. Automotive in general so I don't have to worry about being randomly pulled over due to a light being burned out. View Quote Had a DRL/fog light LED I installed in May go out on my wife's 4runner last week. Wasn't even that cheap of a pod. I installed a different set last Sunday. I've had some LED bulbs I put in my bathroom go out, about 1yr after install. |
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Originally Posted By guns762: Had a DRL/fog light LED I installed in May go out on my wife's 4runner last week. Wasn't even that cheap of a pod. I installed a different set last Sunday. I've had some LED bulbs I put in my bathroom go out, about 1yr after install. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By guns762: Originally Posted By brass: For the school, The "cheap" bulbs they use are good for 8 months to a year, while LED are good for 6-10 years. Might want to re-think that financially, plus they use less power. Though I understand, it's their policy and they've got a couple crates of them at various schools already so that is what they're going to use. Yeah, hard spots are where I put LEDs, like car corners where you practically need to pull the fender liner off, then the fender, and finally realize you need to loosen the bumper cover to get to. (Then, a year later, somebody asks why you didn't just pull the battery and use that access panel? ) Car stuff always get an LED swap. Automotive in general so I don't have to worry about being randomly pulled over due to a light being burned out. Had a DRL/fog light LED I installed in May go out on my wife's 4runner last week. Wasn't even that cheap of a pod. I installed a different set last Sunday. I've had some LED bulbs I put in my bathroom go out, about 1yr after install. You getting the Chinese knock offs? I've had great luck with all of them, but the ones I order from Amazon always go bad out of box or Within 2 years. Even the same brand. Amazon just sells the QC borderline or something. |
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Couple rivets off by almost 3/16" !
Are they drilling holes or just gluing down screw heads? Those one to the side really stand out, it's substandard work. The Investors Would Expect Better. However, it looks pretty good! |
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The person who complains most, and is the most critical of others has the most to hide.
All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident. |
Originally Posted By brass: Couple rivets off by almost 3/16" ! Are they drilling holes or just gluing down screw heads? Those one to the side really stand out, it's substandard work. The Investors Would Expect Better. However, it looks pretty good! View Quote Ah hell... I've seen just as bad on the real McCoy- just adds realism. |
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Originally Posted By FB41: Ah hell... I've seen just as bad on the real McCoy- just adds realism. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By FB41: Originally Posted By brass: Couple rivets off by almost 3/16" ! Are they drilling holes or just gluing down screw heads? Those one to the side really stand out, it's substandard work. The Investors Would Expect Better. However, it looks pretty good! Ah hell... I've seen just as bad on the real McCoy- just adds realism. True, but the spacing change and line wobble shouldn't be where you can see it 10' away, only if your looking, and especially if there's no reference line to compare to anyway. As long as they put in a few hundred more nobody will notice. The earlier riveters and space shuttle tilers took more pride in their work. |
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The person who complains most, and is the most critical of others has the most to hide.
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Originally Posted By brass: Couple rivets off by almost 3/16" ! Are they drilling holes or just gluing down screw heads? Those one to the side really stand out, it's substandard work. The Investors Would Expect Better. However, it looks pretty good! View Quote We are drilling holes and gluing in the small nails without cutting off the heads. When drilling, if we are too close to the edge of the bulkhead of the fuselage, the drill bit can get deflected off the edge a bit. That is the reason for some of the errant rivets. We had to pull a few this morning as they weren't deep enough and there was too much glue hanging off. |
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Originally Posted By guns762: We are drilling holes and gluing in the small nails without cutting off the heads. When drilling, if we are too close to the edge of the bulkhead of the fuselage, the drill bit can get deflected off the edge a bit. That is the reason for some of the errant rivets. We had to pull a few this morning as they weren't deep enough and there was too much glue hanging off. View Quote Use an automatic center punch to start the holes; it might even be enough to set the rivet/nail and save you from drilling. |
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Originally Posted By FB41: Use an automatic center punch to start the holes; it might even be enough to set the rivet/nail and save you from drilling. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By FB41: Originally Posted By guns762: We are drilling holes and gluing in the small nails without cutting off the heads. When drilling, if we are too close to the edge of the bulkhead of the fuselage, the drill bit can get deflected off the edge a bit. That is the reason for some of the errant rivets. We had to pull a few this morning as they weren't deep enough and there was too much glue hanging off. Use an automatic center punch to start the holes; it might even be enough to set the rivet/nail and save you from drilling. I was going to suggest that exact same thing. One of the ones from General with the carbide tip, they're only about 1/8" diameter and enough punch oomph to get you started straight. |
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The person who complains most, and is the most critical of others has the most to hide.
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Originally Posted By guns762: We are drilling holes and gluing in the small nails without cutting off the heads. When drilling, if we are too close to the edge of the bulkhead of the fuselage, the drill bit can get deflected off the edge a bit. That is the reason for some of the errant rivets. We had to pull a few this morning as they weren't deep enough and there was too much glue hanging off. View Quote This is what you need. Brad point bit They keep the drill from drifting off center. EBR |
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Originally Posted By EBR666: This is what you need. Brad point bit They keep the drill from drifting off center. EBR View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By EBR666: Originally Posted By guns762: We are drilling holes and gluing in the small nails without cutting off the heads. When drilling, if we are too close to the edge of the bulkhead of the fuselage, the drill bit can get deflected off the edge a bit. That is the reason for some of the errant rivets. We had to pull a few this morning as they weren't deep enough and there was too much glue hanging off. This is what you need. Brad point bit They keep the drill from drifting off center. EBR The problem is, a center punch isn't really the problem, or the answer. We have bits like that. The drawing board skin is so thin and soft, the kids can keep the bit centered, but when it hits the edge of the bulkhead rib, it gets deflected. It only happens when we are right on the edge. We have tried to keep the lines off of the bulkheads, so we are just going through skin, but occasionally, we start out too close, or the bulkhead is slightly warped, and drifts into our line. We can clean up the lines. It just takes a little work to grind into the bulkhead with a dremel drywall bit that cuts sideways. |
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The symptom circle is filling in... The students themselves want to do more rivets.
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So you got Smokey the Bear covered but..
What I haven't seen in this thread , nor any image yet , especially with the bear on the Ranger Watch tower begging for inclusion... is a "Where is that Pic-a-nic Basket?" Yogi reference. Maybe at least a small sign about "Do Not Feed The Bears." with the word "Not" maybe Scratched out by a few claw marks? I know your kids have only known a word post those horrible abominations of CGI reboot Yogi and Boo Boo films, but the original cartons were good and deserve Easter Egg reference if you can. The Real Yogi for those too young to know. Go to 11 seconds in as time stamp is not working on links Hey There, It's Yogi Bear (1964) Official Trailer - Hanna-Barbera Animation Movie HD https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ghhAeQAaedA and/or Go to 7 seconds in THE YOGI BEAR SHOW: TV commercials & Bumpers (1961) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ak6gaxdgxZo Also as mentioned in at the end of last years thread with the older forestry firefighter stuff, You had people who were in the Civilian Public Service /C.P.S. due to being conscientious objectors who wanted to serve but needed an alternative to military service during World War II. Some fought Forrest fires bravely for the Forestry Service see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civilian_Public_Service#Forestry_and_National_Parks Plus, some may have dealt with Japaneses Forrest Fire bombing attacks during that period. Perhaps with World War 2's and the beginning of Smoke Jumpers, both have their respective centennial coming up soon. Maybe add the cause of theses Forest Fires being from say a Japaneses Firebomb Balloons? Which were called Fu-Go https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fu-Go_balloon_bomb that landed in the North Western Pacific side of our country. Going as far You can see all locations on the 4th image/map of all the reported(found landed) Balloon sites, with ones that were found near you. Like how Thermopolis, Wyoming was hit early on, at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fu-Go_balloon_bomb#Results_and_abandonment . Is that is taught out in your state's school system? It wasn't taught in North Carolina's. That we were attacked many more times than Pearl Harbor.. Since Smoke Jumpers started in 1940, working this extra bit of trivia in there somehow might be another cool bit of history to include. As each earlier display already has so many things crammed into them for extra history bits. Have you ever thought about having each class/year hides special Easter Egg, that they keep their mouth shut about, until someone stumbles on it perhaps years later? Maybe give it away at their 5th or 10th year reunion, if no one has found the hidden "Easter Egg" yet. Making a history & trivial kind of contest. Amongst the other special cultural references like the Guy on the trestle under the train, and The Tower's ATC response to Ghost Rider.... On the students slide show for each display, great win on that battle with IT, and a cool extra display enrichment. Maybe put an image of their notes in each years telling you off , "they quit" the projects, etc. , that you save from each year. In some sort of humorous way of course. Addition suggestion, not that you need extra work.... If you can look up the Architecture Firms that designs the schools for your state. Maybe send them some images or an invite to see what you and your students have done. So they will be encouraged to include spaces in future designs of schools for your type of class and those of other good teachers to add to the school interiors & history. Possibly having the affect of Architects adding more space in the schools, to be filled in later. Knowing they don't have to fill the space but leave it for those students coming to the school. Maybe altering a drop ceiling that doesn't drop as far since that entire hallway or area doesn't need to hide as much plumbing and HVAC systems. If they see a possible future use for the space, they may not hide it from usage. If any of these kids becomes a teacher that goes into Arts or possible relatable subject, they may take what you had them do into a different school system. Be kinda nice if the school they get to was built with those spaces waiting for someone like that. I'm presently having the worst searching luck on Shorpy's old Photo Blog https://www.shorpy.com/ for hitting the magical search function keywords and terms to get the right results for above, finding lots of other not related great stuff, but that is where I learned about the CPS and more about their 1940's Forestry Service that included Fire Fighting. The bareness of the camp/living quarters juxtaposed to the pride in their faces was interesting. I wanted to include their faces to at least try to tempt you more. I'm pretty sure you probbably heard of Shorpy's but just in case you haven't and for anyone reading.... Unfortunately, Shorpy's has direct linking shut off so I can tempt you with a quick sampling of amazing old images. That are full of so much detail, due to original huge Negative's size. That you can see enough details to count rivets on the Planes, Ships, and/or Trains. Which some are documenting them building the originals, for even better details. Plus being able to see what items are on store shelves or an old printing press's parts(example listed and linked below). I add two off topic photos linked below, for how detailed they can be. The ones I wanted to add would have been uploaded before May 2022 but beyond that I may have to scroll page by page backwards trying to find those images out of so many . I did once make back through the entire sight back in 2010, which was over a week's worth of effort. It saddens me to think of all the new content may means someone never again sees the older great content due to it be the newest and on the front page. I've seen some great local history on Cotton Mills and children that worked in them in my home state. Many of Shorpy's photographs came from people hired to go around the country documenting the War Efforts and general life standards in the USA for Congress. Documenting "The Relocation Acts" (there were multiple ones, not all bad), The "Farm Security Administration" , "Office of War Information" , "Resettlement Administration", The" Federal Emergency Relief Administration" (FERA) and the rest of those Alphabet Soup Agencies. If not familiar with Shorpy's photo blog let me tempt you with the details you can see in these 2 (links should be viewed from a computer & with a real monitor aka warning huge image size) unrelated Photographs but full of eye candy detail images. September 1942. Richwood, Nicholas County, West Virginia. "Lois Thompson, printer's devil on the Nicholas Republican newspaper, operating Linotype machine." 4x5 inch acetate negative by John Collier for the Farm Security Administration. https://www.shorpy.com/node/26911?size=_original#caption and/or September 1942. "Richwood, West Virginia. An engineer on the Baltimore and Ohio Railroad." 4x5 inch acetate negative by John Collier for the Farm Security Administration No. 5123 was a Class P-3 4-6-2 locomotive built by Baldwin Locomotive Works in 1913. https://www.shorpy.com/node/26912?size=_original#caption Click on the image to go back normal screen size and to read the comments which are tightly controlled on the images. Its been said but your students are very lucky to have you as their teacher. It shows in them coming back to work on things, working on their lunch period, etc. That type of student behavior and desire for school takes skill to nurture... I'ld bet many list you as one of their's, if not their favorite teacher. |
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Originally Posted By kudzunc: So you got Smokey the Bear covered but.. What I haven't seen in this thread , nor any image yet , especially with the bear on the Ranger Watch tower begging for inclusion... is a "Where is that Pic-a-nic Basket?" Yogi reference. Maybe at least a small sign about "Do Not Feed The Bears." with the word "Not" maybe Scratched out by a few claw marks? I know your kids have only known a word post those horrible abominations of CGI reboot Yogi and Boo Boo films, but the original cartons were good and deserve Easter Egg reference if you can. The Real Yogi for those too young to know. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ghhAeQAaedA?t=11 and/or https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ak6gaxdgxZo?t=7 Also as mentioned in at the end of last years thread with the older forestry firefighter stuff, You had people who were in the Civilian Public Service /C.P.S. due to being conscientious objectors who wanted to serve but needed an alternative to military service during World War II. Some fought Forrest fires bravely for the Forestry Service see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civilian_Public_Service#Forestry_and_National_Parks Plus, some may have dealt with Japaneses Forrest Fire bombing attacks during that period. Perhaps with World War 2's and the beginning of Smoke Jumpers, both have their respective centennial coming up soon. Maybe add the cause of theses Forest Fires being from say a Japaneses Firebomb Balloons? Which were called Fu-Go https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fu-Go_balloon_bomb that landed in the North Western Pacific side of our country. Going as far You can see all locations on the 4th image/map of all the reported(found landed) Balloon sites, with ones that were found near you. Like how Thermopolis, Wyoming was hit early on, at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fu-Go_balloon_bomb#Results_and_abandonment . Is that is taught out in your state's school system? It wasn't taught in North Carolina's. That we were attacked many more times than Pearl Harbor.. Since Smoke Jumpers started in 1940, working this extra bit of trivia in there somehow might be another cool bit of history to include. As each earlier display already has so many things crammed into them for extra history bits. Have you ever thought about having each class/year hides special Easter Egg, that they keep their mouth shut about, until someone stumbles on it perhaps years later? Maybe give it away at their 5th or 10th year reunion, if no one has found the hidden "Easter Egg" yet. Making a history & trivial kind of contest. Amongst the other special cultural references like the Guy on the trestle under the train, and The Tower's ATC response to Ghost Rider.... On the students slide show for each display, great win on that battle with IT, and a cool extra display enrichment. Maybe put an image of their notes in each years telling you off , "they quit" the projects, etc. , that you save from each year. In some sort of humorous way of course. Addition suggestion, not that you need extra work.... If you can look up the Architecture Firms that designs the schools for your state. Maybe send them some images or an invite to see what you and your students have done. So they will be encouraged to include spaces in future designs of schools for your type of class and those of other good teachers to add to the school interiors & history. Possibly having the affect of Architects adding more space in the schools, to be filled in later. Knowing they don't have to fill the space but leave it for those students coming to the school. Maybe altering a drop ceiling that doesn't drop as far since that entire hallway or area doesn't need to hide as much plumbing and HVAC systems. If they see a possible future use for the space, they may not hide it from usage. If any of these kids becomes a teacher that goes into Arts or possible relatable subject, they may take what you had them do into a different school system. Be kinda nice if the school they get to was built with those spaces waiting for someone like that. I'm presently having the worst searching luck on Shorpy's old Photo Blog https://www.shorpy.com/ for hitting the magical search function keywords and terms to get the right results for above, finding lots of other not related great stuff, but that is where I learned about the CPS and more about their 1940's Forestry Service that included Fire Fighting. The bareness of the camp/living quarters juxtaposed to the pride in their faces was interesting. I wanted to include their faces to at least try to tempt you more. I'm pretty sure you probbably heard of Shorpy's but just in case you haven't and for anyone reading.... Unfortunately, Shorpy's has direct linking shut off so I can tempt you with a quick sampling of amazing old images. That are full of so much detail, due to original huge Negative's size. That you can see enough details to count rivets on the Planes, Ships, and/or Trains. Which some are documenting them building the originals, for even better details. Plus being able to see what items are on store shelves or an old printing press's parts(example listed and linked below). I add two off topic photos linked below, for how detailed they can be. The ones I wanted to add would have been uploaded before May 2022 but beyond that I may have to scroll page by page backwards trying to find those images out of so many . I did once make back through the entire sight back in 2010, which was over a week's worth of effort. It saddens me to think of all the new content may means someone never again sees the older great content due to it be the newest and on the front page. I've seen some great local history on Cotton Mills and children that worked in them in my home state. Many of Shorpy's photographs came from people hired to go around the country documenting the War Efforts and general life standards in the USA for Congress. Documenting "The Relocation Acts" (there were multiple ones, not all bad), The "Farm Security Administration" , "Office of War Information" , "Resettlement Administration", The" Federal Emergency Relief Administration" (FERA) and the rest of those Alphabet Soup Agencies. If not familiar with Shorpy's photo blog let me tempt you with the details you can see in these 2 (links should be viewed from a computer & with a real monitor aka warning huge image size) unrelated Photographs but full of eye candy detail images. September 1942. Richwood, Nicholas County, West Virginia. "Lois Thompson, printer's devil on the Nicholas Republican newspaper, operating Linotype machine." 4x5 inch acetate negative by John Collier for the Farm Security Administration. https://www.shorpy.com/node/26911?size=_original#caption and/or September 1942. "Richwood, West Virginia. An engineer on the Baltimore and Ohio Railroad." 4x5 inch acetate negative by John Collier for the Farm Security Administration No. 5123 was a Class P-3 4-6-2 locomotive built by Baldwin Locomotive Works in 1913. https://www.shorpy.com/node/26912?size=_original#caption Click on the image to go back normal screen size and to read the comments which are tightly controlled on the images. Its been said but your students are very lucky to have you as their teacher. It shows in them coming back to work on things, working on their lunch period, etc. That type of student behavior and desire for school takes skill to nurture... I'ld bet many list you as one of their's, if not their favorite teacher. View Quote Wow, that's a great list of ideas for us to look into. Thanks for posting all of that. The shorpys links are really cool images. The quality of the photos is incredible. |
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Not sure if you are open to ideas or you are letting the team work out the issues themselves.
No idea what material you are using for the windscreen but working with custom PC water cooling hard tubing we mostly used either PETG or acrylic. You want to try and keep the number of heat passes/shaping to as few as possible but slower is always better then trying to undo a bend/curve. Maybe make a brace/frame of the curve out of wood and form/shape the screen over it with some help from gravity. Start on one end and slowly work to the opposite end, so you only have to do one total pass. And as always, you want to have the workable piece of material a bit bigger than you need cause you can always cut/shave it down once you get the curve just right. If I am recalling correctly, you have been doing these projects for quite a few years, so I'm sure your crew will get it done far better than I could. Love the pictures and really appreciate you and your crews time/effort, definitely gives me hope seeing the passion and hard work. Edit- Went back and found you are using Lexan, seems like a good choice and pretty similar to PETG or acrylic. |
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Originally Posted By LordEC911: Not sure if you are open to ideas or you are letting the team work out the issues themselves. No idea what material you are using for the windscreen but working with custom PC water cooling hard tubing we mostly used either PETG or acrylic. You want to try and keep the number of heat passes/shaping to as few as possible but slower is always better then trying to undo a bend/curve. Maybe make a brace/frame of the curve out of wood and form/shape the screen over it with some help from gravity. Start on one end and slowly work to the opposite end, so you only have to do one total pass. And as always, you want to have the workable piece of material a bit bigger than you need cause you can always cut/shave it down once you get the curve just right. If I am recalling correctly, you have been doing these projects for quite a few years, so I'm sure your crew will get it done far better than I could. Love the pictures and really appreciate you and your crews time/effort, definitely gives me hope seeing the passion and hard work. Edit- Went back and found you are using Lexan, seems like a good choice and pretty similar to PETG or acrylic. View Quote Thanks for the suggestions. Yeah, the team was told how best to do this, but with most things, the knowing, and doing are not always a for sure thing. We talked about using a form, as we have done on larger applications, but for this, and the simple curve, we may run into more problems, than if they shape it a bit at a time using the freehanded method we've done on past small projects. I may have been wrong on that. We will see. It looked like they were getting some progress this morning. Most of the team returns in an hour, so I will check again and see where we are at. We have an elk going on this morning too, and it seems to be slipping the skin on the face . Some of my team has been jumping onto that project to make sure we get it up and drying before we end up with a bald faced elk. |
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Went back and chased down some of the older threads. I recall occasionally catching them but never dove in.
Saw the F22 bubble... well it seems you are pretty well covered in that area. I'll have to go back and catch up on them, they are really awesome.Glad I found some good reading material for the next few weeks. |
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Originally Posted By LordEC911: Went back and chased down some of the older threads. I recall occasionally catching them but never dove in. Saw the F22 bubble... well it seems you are pretty well covered in that area. I'll have to go back and catch up on them, they are really awesome.Glad I found some good reading material for the next few weeks. View Quote Yeah...... we failed pretty bad on that. |
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I showed some students the FU-GO balloons and they are "In". They like the idea of having a model of one in the display. Of course, they want it moving, but we will work on getting a model built first, then talk about any movement if that is possible. They were pretty interested in how it worked, and how they were designed. Several of them were pouring over pictures and detailed drawings trying to figure out how they worked. |
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Originally Posted By guns762: Yeah...... we failed pretty bad on that. View Quote Didn't mean it that way... saw the completed pictures of a bunch of different projects and thought I better shut my mouth cause you guys have done work like this before. My apologies, I wasn't trying to be mean. |
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Originally Posted By LordEC911: Didn't mean it that way... saw the completed pictures of a bunch of different projects and thought I better shut my mouth cause you guys have done work like this before. My apologies, I wasn't trying to be mean. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By LordEC911: Originally Posted By guns762: Yeah...... we failed pretty bad on that. Didn't mean it that way... saw the completed pictures of a bunch of different projects and thought I better shut my mouth cause you guys have done work like this before. My apologies, I wasn't trying to be mean. Hell no, man, keep the advice coming. I know you weren't criticizing.... and even if you were, that is needed and good. No worries. |
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Originally Posted By guns762: Thanks for the suggestions. Yeah, the team was told how best to do this, but with most things, the knowing, and doing are not always a for sure thing. We talked about using a form, as we have done on larger applications, but for this, and the simple curve, we may run into more problems, than if they shape it a bit at a time using the freehanded method we've done on past small projects. I may have been wrong on that. We will see. It looked like they were getting some progress this morning. Most of the team returns in an hour, so I will check again and see where we are at. We have an elk going on this morning too, and it seems to be slipping the skin on the face . Some of my team has been jumping onto that project to make sure we get it up and drying before we end up with a bald faced elk. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By guns762: Originally Posted By LordEC911: Not sure if you are open to ideas or you are letting the team work out the issues themselves. No idea what material you are using for the windscreen but working with custom PC water cooling hard tubing we mostly used either PETG or acrylic. You want to try and keep the number of heat passes/shaping to as few as possible but slower is always better then trying to undo a bend/curve. Maybe make a brace/frame of the curve out of wood and form/shape the screen over it with some help from gravity. Start on one end and slowly work to the opposite end, so you only have to do one total pass. And as always, you want to have the workable piece of material a bit bigger than you need cause you can always cut/shave it down once you get the curve just right. If I am recalling correctly, you have been doing these projects for quite a few years, so I'm sure your crew will get it done far better than I could. Love the pictures and really appreciate you and your crews time/effort, definitely gives me hope seeing the passion and hard work. Edit- Went back and found you are using Lexan, seems like a good choice and pretty similar to PETG or acrylic. Thanks for the suggestions. Yeah, the team was told how best to do this, but with most things, the knowing, and doing are not always a for sure thing. We talked about using a form, as we have done on larger applications, but for this, and the simple curve, we may run into more problems, than if they shape it a bit at a time using the freehanded method we've done on past small projects. I may have been wrong on that. We will see. It looked like they were getting some progress this morning. Most of the team returns in an hour, so I will check again and see where we are at. We have an elk going on this morning too, and it seems to be slipping the skin on the face . Some of my team has been jumping onto that project to make sure we get it up and drying before we end up with a bald faced elk. Well, Marine One's windscreens / foot bubbles came out OK. Eventually. |
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guns, glad you got the power conduit installed. If it's permanent, no worries. If it's not, my suggestion would be to remove it, and run several pull strings through it, then reinstall, will make it much easier to pull the power cables through the conduit when you come to that. Might leave a few extra for the art maintenance krewe to pull new wires for the new motor in a few years.
Another suggestion, since y'all are already installing the windows before painting, you might consider covering the windows w/ grease when you spray paint the fuselage. Just make sure whatever formulation you use doesn't negatively affect the clear plastic you're using, or the paint. Then once painting is actually complete, freshmen can wipe the grease off the windows. Completely, not leaving a single smudge on the windows or the paint... Just catching up on this thread since I didn't have a chance during SHOT, and this last weekend we detoured to Mexico to rescue an alcoholic worm... |
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Originally Posted By backbencher: guns, glad you got the power conduit installed. If it's permanent, no worries. If it's not, my suggestion would be to remove it, and run several pull strings through it, then reinstall, will make it much easier to pull the power cables through the conduit when you come to that. Might leave a few extra for the art maintenance krewe to pull new wires for the new motor in a few years. Another suggestion, since y'all are already installing the windows before painting, you might consider covering the windows w/ grease when you spray paint the fuselage. Just make sure whatever formulation you use doesn't negatively affect the clear plastic you're using, or the paint. Then once painting is actually complete, freshmen can wipe the grease off the windows. Completely, not leaving a single smudge on the windows or the paint... Just catching up on this thread since I didn't have a chance during SHOT, and this last weekend we detoured to Mexico to rescue an alcoholic worm... View Quote For the power runs, get your spool of lacing twine on one end, and a Shop Vac on the other. Turn on shop vac, you might need to knot the twine around a tiny crumple of paper towel to let it get enough "pull" if going a long distance, but if you seal the vacuum side to conduit solid first, should zip right through. If running more than one pull string, make sure any existing are taped down WELL and follow same procedure and any runs on line but not being pulled for are taped over with masking tape so all suction is in the desired path (so for 4 taps, you'd tape over 3 of them each run). When pulling cables through, remember to add yourself a new fish string/pull string through tied with the wire/cable you're adding, so that when you finish, you have the completed cable/wire pulled and another pull string also in sane spot in case more need to be done at a later date. You can use regular cheap twine but it can unravel a bit and weaken. Lacing string is nearly the same thing, but braided and waxed to make knots easy and to grip on what it is wrapped on better and not unravel, especially in knots. Only old people remember lacing tables and how to do it (half knot every 6" around bundle cable being created) since zip ties have kind of negated it with cost demands. They're faster and a little more permanent, but doesn't look near as nice and have that ugly clip-locking head sticking out. Failed To Load Product Data https://smile.amazon.com/dp/B00KYYQKBA |
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Those are good ideas, fellas. When we flip the wing over to skin the other side, we will get that done.
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I didn't know what Dragon Eggs were until I watched the video.
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You could rig up a drone looking system with some PVC and Blick Art cards and some glue. Unless you want it to actually, well, hover and start fires....
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Originally Posted By backbencher: It could fly into the Chemistry lab a few times a year? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By backbencher: Originally Posted By brass: You could rig up a drone looking system with some PVC and Blick Art cards and some glue. Unless you want it to actually, well, hover and start fires.... It could fly into the Chemistry lab a few times a year? Doesn't really need to. Get a few pounds of PP at Menards in the form of "Iron Out" to remove Iron stains, and then glycerine off Amazon or local Walgreens to add too it becomes fast redox reaction when mixed for fast fire creation on the cheap. |
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Originally Posted By guns762: @kudzunc I showed some students the FU-GO balloons and they are "In". They like the idea of having a model of one in the display. Of course, they want it moving, but we will work on getting a model built first, then talk about any movement if that is possible. They were pretty interested in how it worked, and how they were designed. Several of them were pouring over pictures and detailed drawings trying to figure out how they worked. View Quote Thanks, I'm honored and glad to spread some WW2 history to those that might not have learned about. Especially in an area affected by it. The Jet Stream, the Japanese used, was a recent scientific discovery of the time. To the students that may seems like old to ancient history, but to us that was within our parent's life time. I fixed the youtube links above for both Yogi Bear cartoons for some reason the clips embedded wouldn't stay working with the timestamp starting a few seconds into each of them them. Since you liked Shorpy's here is just a Wyoming search to sucker your time away https://www.shorpy.com/search/node/Wyoming Remember that every image has that "full size" option for if you see details of interest. On the front page (look down on the right hand side, involves lots of scrolling even on computer monitor) you'll have Names/Themes for the Popular Galleries subjects , that if you click "All Galleries" at the bottom of that list, you'll get another longer list of different names for Themes/Subjects. The Guys are under "Handsome Rakes" and Girls under more obvious names. On that front page "Collections" is to help find your favorite agency photographer, like say Russell Lee for the Farm Security Administration . As far as Technology other than more common obvious subjects listed, there is one that you may never get your students back from. https://www.shorpy.com/technology They will have to figure out how the old small town "Party Line" Switch Board, with all the literal bells, image worked then let them start to grasp each additional connection was someone manually inserting the cord, to the next town onward aka old Telephone Operators. They will appreciate switch gear in a new found light. Which for the Anti-Fire theme , there is this old WW2 Federal Art Project / WPA War Services Project Poster, probably a bit too Racist for today climate or someone will eventually complain... but let's say if a miniature was stuck on the Forest Fire Watch Tower, then aged away, as if it has been there since the war... "Circa. 1942 silkscreen poster by Louis Hirshman encouraging safe disposal of matches, showing stylized Japanese soldier standing behind a tree with a match, with the rising sun in the background" https://www.shorpy.com/node/1402 There is a decent/good image of Fu-Go lower portion from the Museum of Aviation Robins AFB, Warner Robins, GA . From https://www.facebook.com/MuseumofAviation/photos/10159957967034813/ That in the comments has the Oregon memorial plaque dedicate to the Preacher, his wife and the kids he took on a Sunday Picnic. He survived so others could be warned about these Balloons to save lives, but the guilt he felt must have been horrible. yet, if he hadn't gone back to the car... Plus Maybe weasel in a class Field Trip to Thermopolis? The students obviously have a dire research need. https://www.onlyinyourstate.com/wyoming/ww2-japanese-bombed-wyoming-thermopolis-wy/ Another Trivia fact- These Fu-Go balloon attacks were the longest ranged assaults in the history of warfare, and it wasn't until 1982 (during the Falkland Islands War) that the distance was topped. Basically the first intercontinental weapon bombardment came from Japan. Stacked that on after Pearl Harbor.... The Ballast ring and altitude barometer that dropped weight to adjust for altitude lost over time while simple was the start of combine operational systems. A mechanical computer. Maybe that might be a future test idea, I bet your students would come up with many ways to solve this with limited technology(no computers, code, GPS, etc.) but none as basic as that. I'm sure the Students' Google-Fu is far better than mine, they just won't find much on the Fu-Go in old Newspapers of the Time. A good take away lesson about how reports of any war on both side can be very different than the actual truth. Even for what is happening at home. As if "Good Morning Vietnam" wasn't good enough weekend homework assignment about how our USA has always censored stuff, despite claiming not to... Trailer for "Good Morning Vietnam" just because, your students may read this thread and have no clue what it was. Good Morning Vietnam - Trailer. I can see the students being able to add small mock simple Mock Up semi quickly. Maybe one that failed and is caught in the trees, ruined from the extra rainfall that year. Poor Fu-Go, no fire for you! In the display fairly easily. The ones coming back in the later class, next year, can then build a better display device(painting schematic) and/or one for down below(student floor level) for other students to see how the ring and blow out disks worked to drop sand bags. What If each returning student that wants to, builds one for the display over summer, then you would have a small fleet for one side and one "hero"(best one and to be the new big functioning one) one to put out that is more automated. Warning the original student may lose their baby this way to crowd's inputs. Starting the next year off with students coming with projects already pre-started, for extra credit of course. They would need a scale but size could vary slightly for near and far Fu-Gos. Maybe for this display/year build a small Fu-Go running on a track across that has a small winch drum on the traveling trolley. ( It could literally just roll out the line, down to the balloon, as the wheels turns the axle from forward then reverse motion for rewind). That a line lowers the Fu-Go as drifts over the area. If they're advance, and time permits, have it release mock little sand bags that can be pulled back up to be reset, when the above track Trolley reaches the end of travel. Hear the Fear Display. So when the end of track sensors is tripped and suddenly the fire effects get bright below and the audio plays of crackling wood to the eventual splash ending the audio for fire go bye-bye. That effect will be drawing people's attention away. Meanwhile while the Fu-Go balloon resets (rewinds their little clear drop lines) for the mock sand bags, while both the bags and the Fu-Go Balloon are being raised back up to the track's trolley and then travels back to the start side.Waiting until the next one drifts from the Pacific from some cue... Future students can add on Display Option, maybe they can then recreate a working display of the complex mechanisms the balloons used over their flight path, for at ground level working example. The dropped sand bags could be random pieces of bubble gum dropped but that would require reloads, so about that large drop ring... Drops maybe 1-2 pieces at the end of school day and ring with 20 holes is a school month. Then again that Drone and "Dragon Eggs" would work. Everyone loves a fire drill. |
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Originally Posted By kudzunc: Thanks, I'm honored and glad to spread some WW2 history to those that might not have learned about. Especially in an area affected by it. The Jet Stream, the Japanese used, was a recent scientific discovery of the time. To the students that may seems like old to ancient history, but to us that was within our parent's life time. I fixed the youtube links above for both Yogi Bear cartoons for some reason the clips embedded wouldn't stay working with the timestamp starting a few seconds into each of them them. Since you liked Shorpy's here is just a Wyoming search to sucker your time away https://www.shorpy.com/search/node/Wyoming Remember that every image has that "full size" option for if you see details of interest. On the front page (look down on the right hand side, involves lots of scrolling even on computer monitor) you'll have Names/Themes for the Popular Galleries subjects , that if you click "All Galleries" at the bottom of that list, you'll get another longer list of different names for Themes/Subjects. The Guys are under "Handsome Rakes" and Girls under more obvious names. On that front page "Collections" is to help find your favorite agency photographer, like say Russell Lee for the Farm Security Administration . As far as Technology other than more common obvious subjects listed, there is one that you may never get your students back from. https://www.shorpy.com/technology They will have to figure out how the old small town "Party Line" Switch Board, with all the literal bells, image worked then let them start to grasp each additional connection was someone manually inserting the cord, to the next town onward aka old Telephone Operators. They will appreciate switch gear in a new found light. Which for the Anti-Fire theme , there is this old WW2 Federal Art Project / WPA War Services Project Poster, probably a bit too Racist for today climate or someone will eventually complain... but let's say if a miniature was stuck on the Forest Fire Watch Tower, then aged away, as if it has been there since the war... "Circa. 1942 silkscreen poster by Louis Hirshman encouraging safe disposal of matches, showing stylized Japanese soldier standing behind a tree with a match, with the rising sun in the background" https://www.shorpy.com/node/1402 There is a decent/good image of Fu-Go lower portion from the Museum of Aviation Robins AFB, Warner Robins, GA . https://scontent-atl3-2.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t39.30808-6/274121845_10159957967014813_3445957068632095215_n.jpg?_nc_cat=102&ccb=1-7&_nc_sid=2c4854&_nc_ohc=66nqjVTbXGoAX_9Fs5B&_nc_ht=scontent-atl3-2.xx&oh=00_AfA390SoTLzCsR7IYWkp6pvlfJq-D0CJCo5_w8PO8Kz9Ew&oe=63D664B3 From https://www.facebook.com/MuseumofAviation/photos/10159957967034813/ That in the comments has the Oregon memorial plaque dedicate to the Preacher, his wife and the kids he took on a Sunday Picnic. He survived so others could be warned about these Balloons to save lives, but the guilt he felt must have been horrible. yet, if he hadn't gone back to the car... Plus Maybe weasel in a class Field Trip to Thermopolis? The students obviously have a dire research need. https://www.onlyinyourstate.com/wyoming/ww2-japanese-bombed-wyoming-thermopolis-wy/ Another Trivia fact- These Fu-Go balloon attacks were the longest ranged assaults in the history of warfare, and it wasn't until 1982 (during the Falkland Islands War) that the distance was topped. Basically the first intercontinental weapon bombardment came from Japan. Stacked that on after Pearl Harbor.... The Ballast ring and altitude barometer that dropped weight to adjust for altitude lost over time while simple was the start of combine operational systems. A mechanical computer. Maybe that might be a future test idea, I bet your students would come up with many ways to solve this with limited technology(no computers, code, GPS, etc.) but none as basic as that. I'm sure the Students' Google-Fu is far better than mine, they just won't find much on the Fu-Go in old Newspapers of the Time. A good take away lesson about how reports of any war on both side can be very different than the actual truth. Even for what is happening at home. As if "Good Morning Vietnam" wasn't good enough weekend homework assignment about how our USA has always censored stuff, despite claiming not to... Trailer for "Good Morning Vietnam" just because, your students may read this thread and have no clue what it was. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3mJoHqmtFcQ I can see the students being able to add small mock simple Mock Up semi quickly. Maybe one that failed and is caught in the trees, ruined from the extra rainfall that year. Poor Fu-Go, no fire for you! In the display fairly easily. The ones coming back in the later class, next year, can then build a better display device(painting schematic) and/or one for down below(student floor level) for other students to see how the ring and blow out disks worked to drop sand bags. What If each returning student that wants to, builds one for the display over summer, then you would have a small fleet for one side and one "hero"(best one and to be the new big functioning one) one to put out that is more automated. Warning the original student may lose their baby this way to crowd's inputs. Starting the next year off with students coming with projects already pre-started, for extra credit of course. They would need a scale but size could vary slightly for near and far Fu-Gos. Maybe for this display/year build a small Fu-Go running on a track across that has a small winch drum on the traveling trolley. ( It could literally just roll out the line, down to the balloon, as the wheels turns the axle from forward then reverse motion for rewind). That a line lowers the Fu-Go as drifts over the area. If they're advance, and time permits, have it release mock little sand bags that can be pulled back up to be reset, when the above track Trolley reaches the end of travel. Hear the Fear Display. So when the end of track sensors is tripped and suddenly the fire effects get bright below and the audio plays of crackling wood to the eventual splash ending the audio for fire go bye-bye. That effect will be drawing people's attention away. Meanwhile while the Fu-Go balloon resets (rewinds their little clear drop lines) for the mock sand bags, while both the bags and the Fu-Go Balloon are being raised back up to the track's trolley and then travels back to the start side.Waiting until the next one drifts from the Pacific from some cue... Future students can add on Display Option, maybe they can then recreate a working display of the complex mechanisms the balloons used over their flight path, for at ground level working example. The dropped sand bags could be random pieces of bubble gum dropped but that would require reloads, so about that large drop ring... Drops maybe 1-2 pieces at the end of school day and ring with 20 holes is a school month. Then again that Drone and "Dragon Eggs" would work. Everyone loves a fire drill. View Quote The students had the exact same idea for the FUGO with a pully as you did. We will see if that is possible with time we have. |
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