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Posted: 1/15/2024 3:53:31 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Yes. Push hard then release clutch...... Vrooom! Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: THey should try to PUSH START THEM Yes. Push hard then release clutch...... Vrooom! Can you actually push start a modern ICE car? Considering that the number of modern ICEs sold with a manual is in like single digit percentages? And even the manuals probably have a bunch of nanny electronic bullshit in them that will freak the fuck out if you try. |
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Posted: 1/15/2024 4:00:58 PM EDT
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Posted: 1/15/2024 4:02:02 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Can you actually push start a modern ICE car? Considering that the number of modern ICEs sold with a manual is in like single digit percentages? And even the manuals probably have a bunch of nanny electronic bullshit in them that will freak the fuck out if you try. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: THey should try to PUSH START THEM Yes. Push hard then release clutch...... Vrooom! Can you actually push start a modern ICE car? Considering that the number of modern ICEs sold with a manual is in like single digit percentages? And even the manuals probably have a bunch of nanny electronic bullshit in them that will freak the fuck out if you try. Nope, completely or almost dead battery won't allow the computer to run as it'll stay shut down to protect itself and if the fuel pump can't make pressure, it won't feed fuel to the cylinders. There has to be a minimum voltage to even start. |
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Posted: 1/15/2024 4:33:53 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Nope, completely or almost dead battery won't allow the computer to run as it'll stay shut down to protect itself and if the fuel pump can't make pressure, it won't feed fuel to the cylinders. There has to be a minimum voltage to even start. Quote HistoryQuoted: Nope, completely or almost dead battery won't allow the computer to run as it'll stay shut down to protect itself and if the fuel pump can't make pressure, it won't feed fuel to the cylinders. There has to be a minimum voltage to even start. Quoted: Can you actually push start a modern ICE car? Considering that the number of modern ICEs sold with a manual is in like single digit percentages? And even the manuals probably have a bunch of nanny electronic bullshit in them that will freak the fuck out if you try. This was a big component in my buying a Tesla- I have a few older vehicles, HMMWV, Honda S2000, and a Honda Crosstour, all over 10 years old. I can still wrench on all of them, they're simple and don't have any of the new complications we see in modern stuff. Almost every new vehicle makes it nearly impossible for a shade-tree mechanic to actually repair without a $8k computer. Given that situation, I want something that has way less moving parts and is less likely to have one of the 10,000 components eventually fail. Whether that actually works out remains to be seen, but that was my thought behind it. They require basically no maintenance and as someone who drives short distances or flies, that's a big selling point. The brutal acceleration and tax credits didn't hurt, either. |
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Posted: 1/15/2024 4:50:40 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Looks like the perfect business opportunity to haul in 2-3 20-25KVA diesel generators mounted on a trailer and charge $150-$250 a charge. Cash only, pay up or shut up. You're a day late and a dollar short.   |
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Posted: 1/15/2024 4:53:19 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Some enterprising youths done went and cut all the catalytic converters off every single one of them abandoned cars. What's the time frame for that? Based on the amps and whatnot, would each one need to be plugged in for hours to get enough electrons in it to be able to limp on somewhere else? If they found the cat to cut off they’re smarter than me |
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Posted: 1/15/2024 4:57:54 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: They are in chicago, it gets cold and crappy there every winter. It's not like ''OMG, we're going to get a couple days of below 32f temps!!!!'' like in a southern state. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Go home and plug it in. Oh wait, you don't have a home, rent, and are totally dependent on a very few chargers that take up to an hour to top you off. Idiot.  They are in chicago, it gets cold and crappy there every winter. It's not like ''OMG, we're going to get a couple days of below 32f temps!!!!'' like in a southern state. This. Now, the extreme cold (subzero teens-twenties) only lasts a few days, but single digit subzero temps is normal and can go on for a couple weeks. Happens every year. |
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Posted: 1/15/2024 4:59:28 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: As someone who commuted every day on I-294 (until I retired 3 months ago), I can tell you that there are 87,000 shit-tons of Tesla's in the Chicagoland area. Yeah, I see tons of them. |
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Posted: 1/15/2024 5:02:41 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Too bad they don’t have any other options besides that one supercharger. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/183699/IMG_4253_jpeg-3095579.JPG I know, it's amazing how fast GD is to swallow mainstream media cock juice when it comes to an anti-EV/anti-Musk thread. There are likely 50 supercharging stations with ten times as many superchargers in Chicago. It's like running out of gas because one gas station out of a hundred was broken. |
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Posted: 1/15/2024 5:23:01 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Too bad they don’t have any other options besides that one supercharger. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/183699/IMG_4253_jpeg-3095579.JPG Quote HistoryQuoted: Too bad they don’t have any other options besides that one supercharger. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/183699/IMG_4253_jpeg-3095579.JPG Yeah - it's not an EV problem, it's an idiot problem. But it makes for a good story. Quoted: I know, it's amazing how fast GD is to swallow mainstream media cock juice when it comes to an anti-EV/anti-Musk thread. There are likely 50 supercharging stations with ten times as many superchargers in Chicago. It's like running out of gas because one gas station out of a hundred was broken. When it comes to EV's, GD runs on emotions not intelligence. Like menopausal women. |
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Posted: 1/15/2024 5:34:27 PM EDT
[#11]
Need the pic of a truck with a generator in the back the police department used to charge their electric police vehicles at times.
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Posted: 1/15/2024 5:38:53 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I know, it's amazing how fast GD is to swallow mainstream media cock juice when it comes to an anti-EV/anti-Musk thread. There are likely 50 supercharging stations with ten times as many superchargers in Chicago. It's like running out of gas because one gas station out of a hundred was broken. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Too bad they don’t have any other options besides that one supercharger. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/183699/IMG_4253_jpeg-3095579.JPG I know, it's amazing how fast GD is to swallow mainstream media cock juice when it comes to an anti-EV/anti-Musk thread. There are likely 50 supercharging stations with ten times as many superchargers in Chicago. It's like running out of gas because one gas station out of a hundred was broken. There was a recent study that found about half of the nation’s EV chargers don’t work - ether the chargers themselves are broken or they couldn’t process credit cards. |
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Posted: 1/15/2024 6:08:22 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: There was a recent study that found about half of the nation’s EV chargers don’t work - ether the chargers themselves are broken or they couldn’t process credit cards. How many of them were Electrify America/EVgo/ChargePoint vs the Tesla network? There's a reason that the industry is adopting the Tesla standard. |
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Posted: 1/15/2024 6:13:10 PM EDT
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I have a hard time feeling sorry for any knucklehead that drives a Tesla.
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Posted: 1/15/2024 6:19:07 PM EDT
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If only we had 100 million EV's during a reginal freeze.
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Posted: 1/15/2024 6:23:57 PM EDT
[#16]
Quote HistoryQuoted: There was a recent study that found about half of the nation’s EV chargers don’t work - ether the chargers themselves are broken or they couldn’t process credit cards. Does that study show the percentage of each charging system, eg Tesla, EVgo, ChargePoint, Energizer Bunny, etc? Tesla probably has the best system around. If you can give a link for that article please post it. |
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Posted: 1/15/2024 6:25:47 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: There was a recent study that found about half of the nation’s EV chargers don’t work - ether the chargers themselves are broken or they couldn’t process credit cards. And those weren't Tesla superchargers. |
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Posted: 1/15/2024 6:26:59 PM EDT
[#18]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I have a hard time feeling sorry for any knucklehead that drives a Tesla. I am sure they are overcome with disappointment at your lack of concern. |
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Posted: 1/15/2024 6:27:18 PM EDT
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Flip side is the insurance rates will drop faster than the temperature because the car thefts for Tesla will go down |
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Posted: 1/15/2024 6:31:35 PM EDT
[#20]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Can you actually push start a modern ICE car? Considering that the number of modern ICEs sold with a manual is in like single digit percentages? And even the manuals probably have a bunch of nanny electronic bullshit in them that will freak the fuck out if you try. I've wondered this myself. I've got a WRX with a manual transmission and push button start. You can press the start button twice without the clutch pressed in, and it will be in normal operating mode - just not running. I imagine you could push start it like this. |
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Posted: 1/15/2024 6:33:05 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You're a day late and a dollar short. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Looks like the perfect business opportunity to haul in 2-3 20-25KVA diesel generators mounted on a trailer and charge $150-$250 a charge. Cash only, pay up or shut up. You're a day late and a dollar short. I wonder how long before that trailer turns a profit? Ever? |
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Posted: 1/15/2024 6:35:35 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: that reporter has a YUGE nose and gross lips That's not a nose, it's a ball rest |
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Posted: 1/15/2024 6:44:27 PM EDT
[#23]
Fuck ev’s
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Posted: 1/15/2024 7:01:03 PM EDT
[#24]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Flip side is the insurance rates will drop faster than the temperature because the car thefts for Tesla will go down Teslas are already the least-stolen. They aren't easy to break into and start. |
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Posted: 1/15/2024 7:19:01 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I wonder how long before that trailer turns a profit? Ever? My guess is never. |
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Posted: 1/15/2024 9:04:17 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You're a day late and a dollar short. https://lightningemotors.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/01/lightning_mobile_01_1280px-1024x533.jpg Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Looks like the perfect business opportunity to haul in 2-3 20-25KVA diesel generators mounted on a trailer and charge $150-$250 a charge. Cash only, pay up or shut up. You're a day late and a dollar short. https://lightningemotors.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/01/lightning_mobile_01_1280px-1024x533.jpg Competition is a good thing. |
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Posted: 1/15/2024 10:52:07 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Chicagoland Tesla owner here... I have more feedback than you... Thank you for your service. |
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Posted: 1/15/2024 11:42:19 PM EDT
[#28]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Teslas are already the least-stolen. They aren't easy to break into and start. wrong. even car thieves don't wanna be seen driving that gay-ass shit. |
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Posted: 1/15/2024 11:55:39 PM EDT
[#29]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Thank you for your service. Thank you for adding to the discussion. |
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Posted: 1/16/2024 12:35:52 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Chicagoland Tesla owner here.....  |
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Posted: 1/16/2024 12:44:26 AM EDT
[#31]
How many Tesla chargers out there?
How many not working? |
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Posted: 1/16/2024 12:45:48 AM EDT
[#32]
Quote HistoryQuoted: and if you are always using pay chargers are you even getting the benefit of cheaper electricity aka the reason most people claim to want one? Doesn't it come really close to being similar in cost to gas? Why shoot yourself in the nuts like that if you can't even use "cheap electricity" (also, electricity is "cheap" in chicago because they pollute the entire state with subsidized windmills that send it all up north, leaving the rest of the state with fucked over electric rates that are over 2x as much) More. Like 59 cents / kwh. |
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Posted: 1/16/2024 12:55:44 AM EDT
[#33]
Quote HistoryQuoted: More. Like 59 cents / kwh. These EV threads are a hoot. I pay $0.10/kwh after 9pm where I live. My daily use costs under a dollar to top off. Chicago isn’t much more- Averages about $0.15/kwh. $0.59- lmfao even SoCal is half that, peak. https://www.ecowatch.com/electricity/rates/il/chicago |
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Posted: 1/16/2024 1:01:49 AM EDT
[#34]
Tow truck drivers are probably slammed.
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Posted: 1/16/2024 1:06:57 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: These EV threads are a hoot. I pay $0.10/kwh after 9pm where I live. My daily use costs under a dollar to top off. Chicago isn’t much more- Averages about $0.15/kwh. $0.59- lmfao even SoCal is half that, peak. https://www.ecowatch.com/electricity/rates/il/chicago Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: More. Like 59 cents / kwh. These EV threads are a hoot. I pay $0.10/kwh after 9pm where I live. My daily use costs under a dollar to top off. Chicago isn’t much more- Averages about $0.15/kwh. $0.59- lmfao even SoCal is half that, peak. https://www.ecowatch.com/electricity/rates/il/chicago The question/answer was about rates charged at "the pump" and apartment dwellers and the like that would use them exclusively because of having limited other options. |
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Posted: 1/16/2024 1:07:34 AM EDT
[#36]
The EV horror stories continue to write themselves.
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Posted: 1/16/2024 1:16:08 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: This is interesting. Tesla chargers are considered the best around. Ideally we will find out what caused the problem. There are Tesla chargers all over and many in the area that has been plagued by severe cold. Have there been similar problems in other places? If you are navigating to a charging site does the Tesla system advice how many chargers are there and how many are working? Does it advice how many people are going there? would think wear and tear and some plastic and metal gets brittle in extreme cold. could simply be ice formed over the plug and cannot make a connection. never used one but aware of the plug shapes. a division of my company makes chargers |
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Posted: 1/16/2024 1:21:40 AM EDT
[#38]
Quote HistoryQuoted: They were being routed to the charging station. At least some of them. What temp is the cutoff for a Tesla BMS to stop charging? I know on the battery system I tested, the BMS shut down activities if temps were too high or too low. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Oh a charging station broke and the users couldn't figure that out. They were being routed to the charging station. At least some of them. What temp is the cutoff for a Tesla BMS to stop charging? I know on the battery system I tested, the BMS shut down activities if temps were too high or too low. Lower than -40. https://www.ar15.com/forums/t_1_5/2699738_Tesla-being-tested-in-Alberta-outside-tonight-at-extreme-low-temps.html |
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Posted: 1/16/2024 1:23:49 AM EDT
[#39]
Quote HistoryQuoted: There was a recent study that found about half of the nation’s EV chargers don’t work - ether the chargers themselves are broken or they couldn’t process credit cards. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Too bad they don’t have any other options besides that one supercharger. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/183699/IMG_4253_jpeg-3095579.JPG I know, it's amazing how fast GD is to swallow mainstream media cock juice when it comes to an anti-EV/anti-Musk thread. There are likely 50 supercharging stations with ten times as many superchargers in Chicago. It's like running out of gas because one gas station out of a hundred was broken. There was a recent study that found about half of the nation’s EV chargers don’t work - ether the chargers themselves are broken or they couldn’t process credit cards. Not Tesla's. |
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Posted: 1/16/2024 1:23:58 AM EDT
[#40]
Quote HistoryQuoted: This was a big component in my buying a Tesla- I have a few older vehicles, HMMWV, Honda S2000, and a Honda Crosstour, all over 10 years old. I can still wrench on all of them, they're simple and don't have any of the new complications we see in modern stuff. Almost every new vehicle makes it nearly impossible for a shade-tree mechanic to actually repair without a $8k computer. Given that situation, I want something that has way less moving parts and is less likely to have one of the 10,000 components eventually fail. Whether that actually works out remains to be seen, but that was my thought behind it. They require basically no maintenance and as someone who drives short distances or flies, that's a big selling point. The brutal acceleration and tax credits didn't hurt, either. less moving parts, its true a lot less. whatever is there though is expensive and a lot of battery packs cost what a used or shitty new vehicle cost alone. 10-35k for a battery replacement is batshit crazy expensive. |
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Posted: 1/16/2024 1:28:21 AM EDT
[#41]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I know, it's amazing how fast GD is to swallow mainstream media cock juice when it comes to an anti-EV/anti-Musk thread. There are likely 50 supercharging stations with ten times as many superchargers in Chicago. It's like running out of gas because one gas station out of a hundred was broken. maybe now, charging stations from 2022-2023 almost doubled. same kinda plans for the next couple years. before 22 was a lot less of them. Seeing new ones popping up. 3 places by me have tesla chargers that I know of offhand. the local mall has them and have never seen it full of cars. South of the Border just added some, and they just opened a station by itself. not sure if it was running or not. no cars but it was all lit up. just a parking lot and no buildings. |
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Posted: 1/16/2024 1:31:36 AM EDT
[#42]
Quote HistoryQuoted: These EV threads are a hoot. I pay $0.10/kwh after 9pm where I live. My daily use costs under a dollar to top off. Chicago isn’t much more- Averages about $0.15/kwh. $0.59- lmfao even SoCal is half that, peak. https://www.ecowatch.com/electricity/rates/il/chicago average charge time you wait and cost total? daily or once a week? just curious. |
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Posted: 1/16/2024 2:46:15 AM EDT
[#43]
Quote HistoryQuoted: average charge time you wait and cost total? daily or once a week? just curious. My use case is goofy. I have a lot of different vehicles and don’t drive more than 4-5,000 miles a year, total. I’ve never needed to wait for a Supercharger, but haven’t had to use one many times yet. As far as the 32a 240v charger I have at home, I average 5-20kw per day- $0.50-2.50 a day. I plug it in when I get home, it’s set to charge itself at 9pm, so it’s ready to go in the morning. I’d guess it takes an hour or so each night, depending on usage. I haven’t been in a position where I needed to charge and then hit the road again, so I can’t say. If I’m going that kind of distance, I’d be taking another vehicle, honestly. There’s a lot of info now on the battery and how to preserve it. Take it with a grain of salt, but they’re saying 300,000-500,000 miles before a >70% degradation based on older batteries and with an assumed 80% full charge regular use. I would definitely not ONLY own an EV, but there’s definitely a case for my needs. Time will tell. |
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Posted: 1/16/2024 2:59:26 AM EDT
[#44]
Electric Vehicles - a bad idea executed well.
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Posted: 1/16/2024 7:38:42 AM EDT
[#45]
Desperate Tesla owners in and around Chicago were seen trying to charge their vehicles with no luck amid frigid temperatures that have gripped the Midwest.
Charging stations have essentially turned into car graveyards in recent days as temperatures have dropped to the negative double digits, Fox Chicago reported. "Nothing. No juice. Still on zero percent," Tyler Beard, who had been trying to recharge his Tesla at an Oak Brook, Illinois Tesla supercharging station since Sunday afternoon, told the news outlet. "And this is like three hours being out here after being out here three hours yesterday." OHH NOOOO TESLA BROS WE GOT TOO COCKY |
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Posted: 1/16/2024 10:34:12 AM EDT
[#46]
Quote HistoryQuoted: The EV horror stories continue to write themselves. Completely without context whether they are true or now. |
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Posted: 1/16/2024 10:36:14 AM EDT
[#47]
EV's ARE for Suckers!
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Posted: 1/16/2024 10:37:02 AM EDT
[#48]
Quote HistoryQuoted: wrong. even car thieves don't wanna be seen driving that gay-ass shit.  Being stuck in the past wed to an archaic technology that requires the use of refined biological matter is the most flaming homosexual act in the history of mankind. |
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Posted: 1/16/2024 10:48:58 AM EDT
[#49]
Is this a case of broken chargers or cars discharged too low to keep the battery warm enough to charge? How long does a cold soaked battery take to warm up to charging temp?
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Posted: 1/16/2024 11:39:32 AM EDT
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Brodozer with jelled diesel says "Hold my (frozen) beer"
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