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Posted: 9/1/2024 5:21:46 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By networkguru: Looks neat. Im in Floriduh so I cant be super safe. If I can gtfo of here and move to SC I'll hop on the safe train. I may buy the Lee LS5 for my AP5. If I am understanding it correctly, it lets me change the shitty AP5 trigger to use a AR15 compatible trigger? They're banned in Florida? |
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Posted: 9/1/2024 7:35:13 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Tuco22: They're banned in Florida? https://thefirearmfirm.com/aftermarket-triggers-and-florida-law/ |
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Posted: 9/1/2024 10:34:01 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By motoguy: Well I'll be damned. The downside of State's Rights, I guess. Somehow I bet the left is fine with this. https://thefirearmfirm.com/aftermarket-triggers-and-florida-law/ Well that's shitty. |
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Posted: 9/2/2024 5:51:08 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By motoguy: Well I'll be damned. The downside of State's Rights, I guess. Somehow I bet the left is fine with this. https://thefirearmfirm.com/aftermarket-triggers-and-florida-law/ Well an R governor signed it. |
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Posted: 9/2/2024 7:46:11 AM EDT
[#5]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By motoguy: Well I'll be damned. The downside of State's Rights, I guess. Somehow I bet the left is fine with this. https://thefirearmfirm.com/aftermarket-triggers-and-florida-law/ Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By motoguy: Originally Posted By Tuco22: They're banned in Florida? https://thefirearmfirm.com/aftermarket-triggers-and-florida-law/ In MN as well, starting 2025. |
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Posted: 9/2/2024 10:01:32 AM EDT
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Seems like it might be the right time for a challenge…
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Posted: 9/2/2024 1:01:41 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TheOtherDave: There are three reasons to still buy the RBT…. 1) the same manual of arms as with a standard AR15/M16 2) you’re a lefty and the semi position isn’t ideal for you 3) you want to reward reward Lawrence Delmonico for putting his freedom and fortune on the line so that you can play with forced reset triggers. As time goes on, we’ll see improved versions of these with match triggers and the like and there will be every reason in the world to buy those. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TheOtherDave: Originally Posted By ARguy: The best thing Hoffman Tactical did with the SS was to release it to the masses. I know of 3 outfits already that are selling metal SS's and at a price the typical recreational shooter can afford...well the safety anyway. Not everyone wants to drop $350 on a patented RBT trigger pack just to dump a mag occasionally in a "full auto" type cyclic rate. Then there are people just 3d printing em.... The genie is definitely out of the bottle on this one. There are three reasons to still buy the RBT…. 1) the same manual of arms as with a standard AR15/M16 2) you’re a lefty and the semi position isn’t ideal for you 3) you want to reward reward Lawrence Delmonico for putting his freedom and fortune on the line so that you can play with forced reset triggers. As time goes on, we’ll see improved versions of these with match triggers and the like and there will be every reason in the world to buy those. Oh, I absolutely agree. I much prefer the MOA of the RBT style of trigger. Especially now that 3 position FRTs and upgrade kits are becoming a thing, I think a more traditional style of selector is the way to go. I did find that the RBT pack would not play nice with an AR47 lower and would get in the way of the AK magazine release. SS in an AR47 is no problem. Definitely pluses and minuses to both types. |
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NC, USA
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Posted: 9/2/2024 1:24:51 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TheOtherDave: There are three reasons to still buy the RBT…. 1) the same manual of arms as with a standard AR15/M16 2) you’re a lefty and the semi position isn’t ideal for you 3) you want to reward reward Lawrence Delmonico for putting his freedom and fortune on the line so that you can play with forced reset triggers. As time goes on, we’ll see improved versions of these with match triggers and the like and there will be every reason in the world to buy those. I'm a lefty and I think it's the ideal position because when the rifle hangs against my gear it's helping to push the safety into the safe position and I think if if I was a righty the safety is more likely to get switched to semi auto accidently when it's slung across me. Simple physics and shit. |
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Posted: 9/3/2024 5:57:10 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TheOtherDave: There are three reasons to still buy the RBT…. 1) the same manual of arms as with a standard AR15/M16 2) you’re a lefty and the semi position isn’t ideal for you 3) you want to reward reward Lawrence Delmonico for putting his freedom and fortune on the line so that you can play with forced reset triggers. As time goes on, we’ll see improved versions of these with match triggers and the like and there will be every reason in the world to buy those. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TheOtherDave: Originally Posted By ARguy: The best thing Hoffman Tactical did with the SS was to release it to the masses. I know of 3 outfits already that are selling metal SS's and at a price the typical recreational shooter can afford...well the safety anyway. Not everyone wants to drop $350 on a patented RBT trigger pack just to dump a mag occasionally in a "full auto" type cyclic rate. Then there are people just 3d printing em.... The genie is definitely out of the bottle on this one. There are three reasons to still buy the RBT…. 1) the same manual of arms as with a standard AR15/M16 2) you’re a lefty and the semi position isn’t ideal for you 3) you want to reward reward Lawrence Delmonico for putting his freedom and fortune on the line so that you can play with forced reset triggers. As time goes on, we’ll see improved versions of these with match triggers and the like and there will be every reason in the world to buy those. and the one reason not to buy the RBT.. you cant, it isnt available for sale. |
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Posted: 9/3/2024 7:07:39 PM EDT
[#10]
Guess we’ll find out if it’s compatible with a MCX Virtus in a few days…
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MOZ
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Posted: 9/3/2024 7:21:05 PM EDT
[#11]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Rudukai13: Guess we’ll find out if it’s compatible with a MCX Virtus in a few days… Maybe with some kind of a dedicated slip trip. |
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Posted: 9/3/2024 7:39:41 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By bionicmonkey: and the one reason not to buy the RBT.. you cant, it isnt available for sale. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By bionicmonkey: Originally Posted By TheOtherDave: Originally Posted By ARguy: The best thing Hoffman Tactical did with the SS was to release it to the masses. I know of 3 outfits already that are selling metal SS's and at a price the typical recreational shooter can afford...well the safety anyway. Not everyone wants to drop $350 on a patented RBT trigger pack just to dump a mag occasionally in a "full auto" type cyclic rate. Then there are people just 3d printing em.... The genie is definitely out of the bottle on this one. There are three reasons to still buy the RBT…. 1) the same manual of arms as with a standard AR15/M16 2) you’re a lefty and the semi position isn’t ideal for you 3) you want to reward reward Lawrence Delmonico for putting his freedom and fortune on the line so that you can play with forced reset triggers. As time goes on, we’ll see improved versions of these with match triggers and the like and there will be every reason in the world to buy those. and the one reason not to buy the RBT.. you cant, it isnt available for sale. then what needs to happen for these to be available again. |
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NV, USA
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Posted: 9/3/2024 9:55:18 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Phil_Billy]
[#13]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By BullpupFan: Don’t the visits come much later by pulling customer records and shipping records? Curious why so many folks seem comfortable with that after the RBT experience yielded letters and visits… what am I missing? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By BullpupFan: Originally Posted By PainefulCommonSense: did you get visits from anybody else? https://greymarketresearch.net/ Don’t the visits come much later by pulling customer records and shipping records? Curious why so many folks seem comfortable with that after the RBT experience yielded letters and visits… what am I missing? Until they show me a law and court order stating they are illegal the ATF can fuck right off. No idea why anyone surrendered any of these in the first place. The ATF gets away with this because people let them. The ATF will do it again and people will surrender them even though they have no legal standing to do such. Also lots of good information in this thread, thanks for the MP5 information. |
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Posted: 9/3/2024 10:04:38 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By bionicmonkey: and the one reason not to buy the RBT.. you cant, it isnt available for sale. Give him time-remember, he was cancelled/debanked by the DOJ and they likely went after his machining and coating/anodizing suppliers. |
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USA
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Posted: 9/5/2024 9:54:32 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Triggerstuck: Installed one yesterday. I had to mill off some material inside the lower to get the lever to lay down a little more towards the buffer. It was sticking up too high and wouldn’t allow the bolt to retract all the way or go forward. Also had to take a few hundredths off the top of the lever. Now it runs good. https://i.postimg.cc/cJC37rJz/IMG-5706.jpg https://i.postimg.cc/zBRRM6KS/IMG-5708.jpg I think I am having a similar issue with mine. The bolt rides to the rear and gets stuck on the arm as it recedes into the receiver extension. How much material did you have to remove? Is that a high shelf lower? |
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Posted: 9/5/2024 11:20:58 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Devilfox: I think I am having a similar issue with mine. The bolt rides to the rear and gets stuck on the arm as it recedes into the receiver extension. How much material did you have to remove? Is that a high shelf lower? Have you read GMR's installation/information pages? You may have to do some fitting to get it to work right. The bolt binding is a pretty common question on the FB group. Do the cut on the upper receiver, if it still binds after that then sand a little off the top of the lever until it stops binding. The advice used to be to sand the top of lever until it works and at some point it switched to cut the upper first so you didnt have to sand as much on the lever. Either way works, but the lever is stronger if you cut the upper first. https://greymarketresearch.net/info-instructions/ |
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TX, USA
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Posted: 9/6/2024 7:52:26 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Devilfox: I think I am having a similar issue with mine. The bolt rides to the rear and gets stuck on the arm as it recedes into the receiver extension. How much material did you have to remove? Is that a high shelf lower? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Devilfox: Originally Posted By Triggerstuck: Installed one yesterday. I had to mill off some material inside the lower to get the lever to lay down a little more towards the buffer. It was sticking up too high and wouldn’t allow the bolt to retract all the way or go forward. Also had to take a few hundredths off the top of the lever. Now it runs good. https://i.postimg.cc/cJC37rJz/IMG-5706.jpg https://i.postimg.cc/zBRRM6KS/IMG-5708.jpg I think I am having a similar issue with mine. The bolt rides to the rear and gets stuck on the arm as it recedes into the receiver extension. How much material did you have to remove? Is that a high shelf lower? Yea, it was a high shelf lower. I don’t have an exact measurement on the amount I removed off the shelf, but it was probably close to 1/3”. You can remove too much, so be careful. If the lever lays to low, the bolt won’t engage it. As for the lever, I used a course Emory board and took my time. Finish it with a fine Emory board for smoothness. It doesn’t take much. You will get proficient on removing/replacing the hammer, trigger group, and safety. |
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Posted: 9/7/2024 5:24:07 PM EDT
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Took mine out again today.
Everyone who tried was momentarily speechless before saying they wanted one. |
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Posted: 9/7/2024 7:20:24 PM EDT
[#19]
An acquaintance is going to print a sear trip bar to work with the CMMG (etc…) .22 conversion kit and the SS…
These are already sold by SKOprints, GMR and Bore Buddy. |
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Posted: 9/7/2024 7:28:47 PM EDT
[#20]
These threads make me sad. Thanks to our awb law, I cannot buy a lee mp5 lower or the safety.
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Posted: 9/7/2024 11:20:40 PM EDT
[#21]
Got mine today. It won’t really work in a MCX, so I’ll probably sell it to a friend. But no issues with purchase or shipping, recommend freely to anyone interested
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Posted: 9/8/2024 7:41:40 AM EDT
[Last Edit: ARguy]
[#22]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Rudukai13: Got mine today. It won’t really work in a MCX, so I’ll probably sell it to a friend. But no issues with purchase or shipping, recommend freely to anyone interested Will it work if you have the PMM Full Auto Sear Kit? ETA... Appears that some machining of your lower would need to be done to utilize the kit so def not a drop in. Still may be worth looking into. PMM Full Auto Sear Kit |
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Posted: 9/8/2024 8:00:14 AM EDT
[#23]
This thread stinks like a shotgun news ad for $10 DIAS.
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Posted: 9/8/2024 8:25:22 AM EDT
[#24]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Rudukai13: Got mine today. It won't really work in a MCX, so I'll probably sell it to a friend. But no issues with purchase or shipping, recommend freely to anyone interested Alternative, check out the Arizona Regulator and ask the guy here that makes it. |
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TX, USA
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Posted: 9/8/2024 8:42:10 AM EDT
[#25]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By BB: This thread stinks like a shotgun news ad for $10 DIAS. Freedom is scary, yo. |
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Posted: 9/8/2024 8:44:13 AM EDT
[#26]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By BB: This thread stinks like a shotgun news ad for $10 DIAS. So? Press on. |
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MOZ
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Posted: 9/8/2024 9:48:52 AM EDT
[#27]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By BB: This thread stinks like a shotgun news ad for $10 DIAS. FRTs operate more like a bump stock which the SCOTUS ruled as being kosher. I wouldn’t worry too much about GMR or the other 10 sellers on the book of faces selling these things. I would however, be concerned about being “Matt Hoover’d” (conspiracy to sell a machine gun drawing). You could end up spending $200k on a legal defense and end up with a retarded jury that still finds you guilty. The FATF has confiscated almost 12,000 FRTs and as far as I know, only made one arrest. |
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Posted: 9/8/2024 9:51:57 AM EDT
[#28]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By HKPDW: FRTs operate more like a bump stock which the SCOTUS ruled as being kosher. I wouldn’t worry too much about GMR or the other 10 sellers on the book of faces selling these things. I would however, be concerned about being “Matt Hoover’d” (conspiracy to sell a machine gun drawing). You could end up spending $200k on a legal defense and end up with a retarded jury that still finds you guilty. The FATF has confiscated almost 12,000 FRTs and as far as I know, only made one arrest. And they were ordered to give them all back too. |
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Posted: 9/8/2024 10:05:51 AM EDT
[#29]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By NostalgiaforInfinity: And they were ordered to give them all back too. I’m sure they will get right on that, if they can find them. |
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Posted: 9/8/2024 10:57:20 AM EDT
[#30]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By HKPDW: An acquaintance is going to print a sear trip bar to work with the CMMG (etc…) .22 conversion kit and the SS… These are already sold by SKOprints, GMR and Bore Buddy. The STL for the CMMG thing is sailing on the unusual ocean. Or at least the filename claims it's the correct STL, I don't have a CMMG kit to try it with. |
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Posted: 9/8/2024 11:32:33 AM EDT
[#31]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Sebastian_MacMaine: The STL for the CMMG thing is sailing on the unusual ocean. Or at least the filename claims it's the correct STL, I don't have a CMMG kit to try it with. I don’t know the first thing about printing or downloading files. This acquaintance is an engineer and likes to reverse engineer (print) things. I don’t think he’s willing to sail the high seas though. I do agree with him that using a .22 kit is the most financially viable way to run the SS. |
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Posted: 9/8/2024 12:26:43 PM EDT
[#32]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TheOtherDave: There are three reasons to still buy the RBT…. 1) the same manual of arms as with a standard AR15/M16 2) you’re a lefty and the semi position isn’t ideal for you 3) you want to reward reward Lawrence Delmonico for putting his freedom and fortune on the line so that you can play with forced reset triggers. As time goes on, we’ll see improved versions of these with match triggers and the like and there will be every reason in the world to buy those. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TheOtherDave: Originally Posted By ARguy: The best thing Hoffman Tactical did with the SS was to release it to the masses. I know of 3 outfits already that are selling metal SS's and at a price the typical recreational shooter can afford...well the safety anyway. Not everyone wants to drop $350 on a patented RBT trigger pack just to dump a mag occasionally in a "full auto" type cyclic rate. Then there are people just 3d printing em.... The genie is definitely out of the bottle on this one. There are three reasons to still buy the RBT…. 1) the same manual of arms as with a standard AR15/M16 2) you’re a lefty and the semi position isn’t ideal for you 3) you want to reward reward Lawrence Delmonico for putting his freedom and fortune on the line so that you can play with forced reset triggers. As time goes on, we’ll see improved versions of these with match triggers and the like and there will be every reason in the world to buy those. Well if Rare Breed gets their 3 position available for sale I absolutely plan on supporting such a company, for now however the SS seams to be best currently available option. But I would much prefer the RBT. For 2 of the reasons you mentioned. I’m not a lefty. |
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Posted: 9/8/2024 1:10:01 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Sebastian_MacMaine]
[#33]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By HKPDW: I don’t know the first thing about printing or downloading files. This acquaintance is an engineer and likes to reverse engineer (print) things. I don’t think he’s willing to sail the high seas though. I do agree with him that using a .22 kit is the most financially viable way to run the SS.  1. google: site:odysee.com cmmg super safety b. click link iii. click download button 四. print |
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Posted: 9/8/2024 2:02:41 PM EDT
[#34]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Sebastian_MacMaine: 1. google: site:odysee.com cmmg super safety b. click link iii. click download button 四. print LOL… I’m not very tech savvy. I literally have problems logging into ARFCOM bro… |
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Posted: 9/8/2024 4:19:00 PM EDT
[#35]
It worked excellent with the integral suppressed x39 upper yesterday. Used subsonic with no issues. Just purred.
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Posted: 9/9/2024 7:48:14 PM EDT
[Last Edit: k75zracer]
[#36]
Anybody use a Spikes H2 powder filled buffer? Used in carbines to smooth out the recoil impulse, but curious if anyone has had luck with one?
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Posted: 9/9/2024 8:11:11 PM EDT
[#37]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Lexustech48: I'd add to that idea that even if Congress DID change the language of the definition of "machine gun" to include FRT style triggers, they would have to open up the MG registry for all units made prior to their reclassification. Ex Post Facto would absolutely apply here. I could also see the expanded legal definition of machine gun as a possible way to strike down the NFA altogether. The industry needs to pump out hundreds of millions of these things, drop in FRTs and Bump stocks to meet the classification of "common use" to have a chance I think. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Lexustech48: Originally Posted By HillaryClinton: Yeah, the ATF has taken a beating lately. I'd say until something is officially passed by Congress they'd be smart to not bring another case before a judge. They were told to return all RBTs that were confiscated (and ATF gave some BS about it being too hard). I think they'd be stupid to confiscate anything similar without a firm law to back the case. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/435954/338205-IMG-9632-2904307_jpg-3305558.JPG I'd add to that idea that even if Congress DID change the language of the definition of "machine gun" to include FRT style triggers, they would have to open up the MG registry for all units made prior to their reclassification. Ex Post Facto would absolutely apply here. I could also see the expanded legal definition of machine gun as a possible way to strike down the NFA altogether. The industry needs to pump out hundreds of millions of these things, drop in FRTs and Bump stocks to meet the classification of "common use" to have a chance I think. The constitutional ban on ex post facto means that the government can't charge you for violating a law before the law took effect. e.g. if FRTs were made illegal in 2025, they couldn't charge you for possessing an FRT in 2024. It doesn't mean that they'd have to allow you to keep your FRT. |
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Posted: 9/9/2024 11:20:46 PM EDT
[#38]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By CleverNickname: The constitutional ban on ex post facto means that the government can't charge you for violating a law before the law took effect. e.g. if FRTs were made illegal in 2025, they couldn't charge you for possessing an FRT in 2024. It doesn't mean that they'd have to allow you to keep your FRT. I’d have to think that there’s some case law that says they can’t seize your property just because they don’t like it and legislate against it. Now, they might try and take it and compensate you for it-that could get interesting. |
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Posted: 9/9/2024 11:24:20 PM EDT
[#39]
FYI, took my order from GMR was placed on 8/31, shipped 9/2, and arrived on 9/6. I was out of town and just got them today-hoping to get my belt fed .22 upper to run on one.
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Posted: 9/9/2024 11:49:25 PM EDT
[Last Edit: HKPDW]
[#40]
My neighbor received his $20 SKO .22 trip.
We’ll see if he can get it running. 22 kits tend to be a little finicky.  ———————————————————— UPDATE: The SKO trip did not work. It appears the cam lever is riding below the trip’s “lever box”. Either the cam lever is too short or, the lever box is sitting too high. The SS runs fine in the .223 configuration. |
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OR, USA
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Posted: 9/10/2024 12:21:54 AM EDT
[Last Edit: withoutremorse42]
[#41]
GMR SS review article going up on thetruthaboutguns later today
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TX, USA
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Posted: 9/11/2024 9:27:22 AM EDT
[#42]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By withoutremorse42: GMR SS review article going up on thetruthaboutguns later today Well written. Explains the mechanism in detail. |
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Posted: 9/11/2024 11:11:30 AM EDT
[Last Edit: k75zracer]
[#43]
In the video, I think he was surprised when he used the SS middle position... Looked like he wasn't expecting it to actually work, and then when it did, he looked pretty satisfied (read pleased) and went on about his business shooting!
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Posted: Yesterday 1:30:34 AM EDT
[Last Edit: NWRed]
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MI, USA
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Posted: Yesterday 10:08:24 PM EDT
[#45]
 Block Twosday posts will continue until morale improves. GMR SS runs perfectly! #guns #m4 #block2 Anyone able to calculate the RoF on my Block 2 upper here? I believe there were 26rds left in the mag. |
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Posted: Today 5:47:54 AM EDT
[#46]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By bluedog82:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_5oEHuRdRvgAnyone able to calculate the RoF on my Block 2 upper here? I believe there were 26rds left in the mag. Yes. ROF was ludicrous speed. Looks like fun. |
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Posted: Today 7:21:23 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By steelworker: Yes. ROF was ludicrous speed. Looks like fun. |
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MI, USA
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Posted: Today 7:32:32 AM EDT
[#48]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By mr_camera_man: I'm no expert but I've been watching some of the SS troubleshooting groups and I've been thinking of getting one soon. From what they're saying, "ludicrous speed" means that it's eventually going to out run the lever and leave you with a dead trigger. Most recommend an H3 buffer. My video above was the Block 2 carbine gas with an H1 buffer plus the LAW tactical plug weight. |
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Posted: Today 7:37:00 AM EDT
[#49]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By BB: This thread stinks like a shotgun news ad for $10 DIAS. Send the print file off to be printed in metal and roll on. Rename it something odd before you do. Those places just print stuff and box it/send it. |
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Posted: Today 8:36:19 AM EDT
[#50]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By kells81: Send the print file off to be printed in metal and roll on. Rename it something odd before you do. Those places just print stuff and box it/send it. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By kells81: Originally Posted By BB: This thread stinks like a shotgun news ad for $10 DIAS. Send the print file off to be printed in metal and roll on. Rename it something odd before you do. Those places just print stuff and box it/send it. 
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