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Posted: 9/18/2017 8:57:41 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By CVO:
Sold my 12 y/o Honda EU2000 for $650, bought a new EU2000 to my door for $899. See if you can do that the HF junk. |
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Posted: 9/18/2017 9:10:00 PM EST
[#2]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By CVO:
Here's my 26 cu ft Whirlpool side by side with the compressor running, bumps about 500 watts starting. One of the so called experts here said they draw 500 running and 2000 watts when starting. http://pic100.picturetrail.com/VOL488/1126801/24697153/413554822.jpg |
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Posted: 9/18/2017 9:36:05 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Grunteled:
Don't bank on it. I had a 12,000 BTU window unit and it could not start on ECO mode with the EU2000i. The generator could not rev up fast enough to prevent the A/C unit from aborting the start of the compressor. Taken off ECO mode it could only just barely get it going. Once running it was fine. I had to disable the thermostat and just run the A/C flat-out for as long as needed to frost the windows over. But you had to take it off ECO, start the A/C, put it back on ECO. Even an EU3000 would not get that damned unit to start the compressor on ECO. |
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Posted: 9/18/2017 9:43:52 PM EST
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I'm looking for one of the 3500 models in N Fl, S Ga area. Or how do you guys feel about the Champion Hybrid model compared to the HF 3500 inverter?
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Posted: 9/18/2017 11:38:51 PM EST
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For those considering the tri fuel conversion kits make sure the kits.whatever kit you purchase, come with all the parts. for instance the US carb kits don't come with the parts needed to go from the regulator they supply, you'll spend nearly an extra $100 piecing those together.
one kit has everything. kinda wish i had bought this one https://hutchmountain.com/products.html#!/Honda-EU2000i-Propane-Gasoline-Bi-Fuel-Conversion-Kit/p/50556235/category=0 us carb kit - extra parts needed https://www.motorsnorkel.com/motor-snorkel-tri-fuel-natural-gas-propane-and-gasoline-conversion-kit-3558.html |
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Posted: 9/19/2017 12:25:03 AM EST
[Last Edit: hkusp9]
[#6]
Heres what I have, I'll try to take pictures of the inside of the breaker box later.
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Posted: 9/19/2017 12:32:28 AM EST
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Lol, while searching the internet for a picture of a generator interlock Ifound my old thread on this exact same topic:
https://www.ar15.com/forums/general/GE_breaker_generator_interlock_kit_needed/5-1676532/ |
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Posted: 9/19/2017 12:52:05 AM EST
[#8]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Desert_AIP:
I bet you could build one like that that uses the twist lock outlets on the front of the generators as the inputs. And use a 50A twist lock to feed the house. |
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Posted: 9/19/2017 7:37:08 AM EST
[#9]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Gamma762:
The pins that seem to be a common connector for parallel kits would be good to find. By using the twist lock outlets you don't need a tool to hook up the ground terminal. |
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Posted: 9/19/2017 11:47:23 AM EST
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I remember long ago a suggestion that you can flip off your main breaker, and then connect the 240 outlet on the generator to the 240 outlet for the house dryer. You need to flip off breakers for things that take a lot of power (like the central AC) but then the rest of the house can be run from that one line into the dryer outlet.
Is that realistic? Unsafe? |
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Posted: 9/19/2017 12:06:14 PM EST
[Last Edit: Desert_AIP]
[#11]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By GunLvrPHD:
I remember long ago a suggestion that you can flip off your main breaker, and then connect the 240 outlet on the generator to the 240 outlet for the house dryer. You need to flip off breakers for things that take a lot of power (like the central AC) but then the rest of the house can be run from that one line into the dryer outlet. Is that realistic? Unsafe? 
https://www.ar15.com/forums/general/Someone-school-me-on-backfeeding-or-pig-tailing-a-generator-back-into-the-house-/5-2032540/ |
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Posted: 9/19/2017 2:17:17 PM EST
[#12]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Desert_AIP:
...and now we've come full circle...
https://www.ar15.com/forums/general/Someone-school-me-on-backfeeding-or-pig-tailing-a-generator-back-into-the-house-/5-2032540/ |
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Posted: 9/19/2017 4:20:55 PM EST
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So I have done what I do with everything. Start with one product in mind, then while researching, continually justify an increasingly expensive product. I am now considering the Honda EB2800i which is an open frame inverter. I want an inverter generator (due to worry about being able to get enough gas to feed a normal generator), something that I can pick up and put into my truck by myself (in hopes that I can get some use out of it other than just in an emergency), and something with enough power to run fridge, portable AC, etc (or power tools for non-emergency use). While I suspect that the HF 2000 will probably get the job done, I like the extra headroom provided by the bigger Honda. It is still fuel efficient while not as quiet as an enclosed inverter, and only weighs 67 lbs. The big selling point is, of coarse, the Honda reliability. Seems like a pretty good value at $999. Am I crazy (i.e. Should I just buy the HF 2000 and call it good)?
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Posted: 9/19/2017 4:39:54 PM EST
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here's how I see it.
HF2000 is the Primary Arms micro dot of generators It's decent to try it and see if you like it. If you do, you can keep it or upgrade as you like or as you identify shortcomings of the concept. If you don't like it, you aren't out much cash |
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Posted: 9/19/2017 4:59:57 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By frankiebagadonuts:
So I have done what I do with everything. Start with one product in mind, then while researching, continually justify an increasingly expensive product. I am now considering the Honda EB2800i which is an open frame inverter. I want an inverter generator (due to worry about being able to get enough gas to feed a normal generator), something that I can pick up and put into my truck by myself (in hopes that I can get some use out of it other than just in an emergency), and something with enough power to run fridge, portable AC, etc (or power tools for non-emergency use). While I suspect that the HF 2000 will probably get the job done, I like the extra headroom provided by the bigger Honda. It is still fuel efficient while not as quiet as an enclosed inverter, and only weighs 67 lbs. The big selling point is, of coarse, the Honda reliability. Seems like a pretty good value at $999. Am I crazy (i.e. Should I just buy the HF 2000 and call it good)? |
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Posted: 9/19/2017 5:01:25 PM EST
[#16]
Ok, so the WEN 56200i and the HF Predator 2000 are almost completely identical, physically. I need to get a better sound meter (I am going to try to borrow a real one) but they are also both close to identical in sound. Some of the foam in the box is even layered the same.
Only differences. There is a USB port on the WEN and an oil door, so you don't have to pull the panel. It seems to be without a breaker for the 120v receptacles. Otherwise, obviously made at the same factory. Same color manufacturer markers were used on checks. Some pics  Attached File Attached File Attached File Attached File |
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Posted: 9/19/2017 5:16:53 PM EST
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Mine is scheduled for delivery tomorrow. Looking forward to trying it out.
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Posted: 9/19/2017 6:27:11 PM EST
[#18]
Our store was sold out of all generators. Isle worker didn't know when the next restock was going to happen so I just ordered one online. I'll play backorder roulette for a bit I guess.
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FL, USA
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Posted: 9/19/2017 8:36:58 PM EST
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I'm looking at getting both the HF3500 for home and the HF2000 for camping. Is it possible to run them both in parallel if I should need the extra power? My gut says i should only use matching sizes but I really have no idea.
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Posted: 9/19/2017 8:59:35 PM EST
[#20]
So the WEN is "chuffing" a bit at lower RPM, when Eco is on. It still is running, not a 'skip' but almost like it is tuned slightly too low, or the governor is going just a bit low.
Only 4 hours of run time so far. Any thoughts? |
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Posted: 9/19/2017 9:35:56 PM EST
[#21]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By frankiebagadonuts:
So I have done what I do with everything. Start with one product in mind, then while researching, continually justify an increasingly expensive product. I am now considering the Honda EB2800i which is an open frame inverter. I want an inverter generator (due to worry about being able to get enough gas to feed a normal generator), something that I can pick up and put into my truck by myself (in hopes that I can get some use out of it other than just in an emergency), and something with enough power to run fridge, portable AC, etc (or power tools for non-emergency use). While I suspect that the HF 2000 will probably get the job done, I like the extra headroom provided by the bigger Honda. It is still fuel efficient while not as quiet as an enclosed inverter, and only weighs 67 lbs. The big selling point is, of coarse, the Honda reliability. Seems like a pretty good value at $999. Am I crazy (i.e. Should I just buy the HF 2000 and call it good)? |
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Posted: 9/19/2017 10:34:58 PM EST
[#22]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By phatmax:
So the WEN is "chuffing" a bit at lower RPM, when Eco is on. It still is running, not a 'skip' but almost like it is tuned slightly too low, or the governor is going just a bit low. Only 4 hours of run time so far. Any thoughts? |
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Posted: 9/19/2017 10:38:37 PM EST
[#23]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Skibane:
Let it get broken in first. |
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Posted: 9/19/2017 10:40:59 PM EST
[#24]
On a side note, the WEN side cover with the easily removed oil door may encourage me to get another side just like it and put it on the Predator. MUCH easier than removing the whole cover. I'll see how much it costs.
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Posted: 9/19/2017 10:47:23 PM EST
[#25]
Surprised this thread is still chugging along. Alot of good info in here guys.
Glad I could cost you all money 
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Posted: 9/20/2017 5:45:03 AM EST
[#26]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By phatmax:
On a side note, the WEN side cover with the easily removed oil door may encourage me to get another side just like it and put it on the Predator. MUCH easier than removing the whole cover. I'll see how much it costs. |
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Posted: 9/20/2017 7:03:12 AM EST
[#27]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By desert80:
I've been looking at them for a while to supplement my larger generator in the RV. It'll be much nicer and quiter to run this for the TV and small appliances than the large one. I order on Wednesday the 13th. I just received a tracking number from FedEx saying it'll be delivered by Tuesday the 19th. |
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Posted: 9/20/2017 8:36:49 AM EST
[#28]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By desert80:
Just an update. Mine shipped Monday and was delivered yesterday (9/19). Unboxed it and the fit and finish is surprisingly well done. I'll try and get it fired up this weekend. The $6.99 shipping cost was well worth it. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By desert80:
Originally Posted By desert80:
I've been looking at them for a while to supplement my larger generator in the RV. It'll be much nicer and quiter to run this for the TV and small appliances than the large one. I order on Wednesday the 13th. I just received a tracking number from FedEx saying it'll be delivered by Tuesday the 19th. |
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Posted: 9/20/2017 8:45:34 AM EST
[#29]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By MRW:
If you find a source, I'd like one too please |
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Posted: 9/20/2017 8:53:40 AM EST
[#30]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By phatmax:
Ok, so the WEN 56200i and the HF Predator 2000 are almost completely identical, physically. I need to get a better sound meter (I am going to try to borrow a real one) but they are also both close to identical in sound. Some of the foam in the box is even layered the same. Only differences. There is a USB port on the WEN and an oil door, so you don't have to pull the panel. It seems to be without a breaker for the 120v receptacles. Otherwise, obviously made at the same factory. Same color manufacturer markers were used on checks. Some pics https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/38726/20170919_164934-311677.JPG https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/38726/20170919_165001-311678.JPG https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/38726/20170919_165050-311679.JPG https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/38726/20170919_170538-311681.JPG |
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Posted: 9/20/2017 9:33:01 AM EST
[Last Edit: phatmax]
[#31]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Gage:
Are the side panels actually interchangeable? Did you try to swap them? Here is the HF, with the WEN side.  Attached File |
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Posted: 9/20/2017 11:35:59 AM EST
[#32]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Cixelsyd:
Our store was sold out of all generators. Isle worker didn't know when the next restock was going to happen so I just ordered one online. I'll play backorder roulette for a bit I guess.
CHRIS CHRIS |
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Posted: 9/20/2017 11:50:37 AM EST
[#33]
Anyone know about how fast an inverter of roughly this size will burn through propane? I’m moving to a house with an underground tank, and I may go that route instead of gasoline.
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Posted: 9/20/2017 12:09:40 PM EST
[#34]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Admiral_Crunch:
Anyone know about how fast an inverter of roughly this size will burn through propane? I’m moving to a house with an underground tank, and I may go that route instead of gasoline. A gallon of propane is equivalent to 0.744 gallons of gasoline. Multiply the gasoline gallons per hour by 1.34 (1/.744) to get a rough idea of the propane burn rate. |
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Posted: 9/20/2017 12:16:18 PM EST
[#35]
Thanks!
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Posted: 9/20/2017 6:10:21 PM EST
[#36]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Cixelsyd:
HF just called to verify my shipping address. I'm having it delivered to work instead of home so it didn't match my billing address. It'll be shipping today and she said it would likely take 3 business days for delivery. CHRIS 
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Posted: 9/20/2017 6:46:00 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By JaxShooter:
I got the backorder email today. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By JaxShooter:
Originally Posted By Cixelsyd:
HF just called to verify my shipping address. I'm having it delivered to work instead of home so it didn't match my billing address. It'll be shipping today and she said it would likely take 3 business days for delivery. CHRIS |
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Posted: 9/20/2017 7:41:10 PM EST
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I finished running the WEN for 7 hours and changed the oil. The look was about the same. I dropped a stack of 4 magnets into the oil and swirled it around for a while and then let it sit.
There was definitely steel in the oil. I will probably do another change at 8 hours more on both machines. After swimming in oil.  Attached FileAfter being wiped clean.  Attached File |
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Posted: 9/20/2017 7:47:30 PM EST
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It looks like there was a previous version of the Wen that had the identical side pane!s as the HF, only yellow vs red.
If I can't find the HF in stock soon, I might just spring for the Honda EG2800i. As I get older, I find myself being more open to spending money on quality (vs best bang for the buck). Plus, my wife is getting impatient with the lack of a generator- even though we didn't need one after Irma. |
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Posted: 9/20/2017 7:49:34 PM EST
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I called customer service for a Craftsman bench grinder today. The company was Wen. I asked the CS rep if it was the same WEN that makes generators, he said yes a lot of companies have them produce products for them under their name. The Craftsman bench grinder is one of those products.
I'm wondering if the HF generator is actually just a relabeled Wen and not close copy. |
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Posted: 9/20/2017 8:02:19 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Desert_AIP:
http://www.energy.ca.gov/almanac/transportation_data/gge.html A gallon of propane is equivalent to 0.744 gallons of gasoline. Multiply the gasoline gallons per hour by 1.34 (1/.744) to get a rough idea of the propane burn rate. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Desert_AIP:
Originally Posted By Admiral_Crunch:
Anyone know about how fast an inverter of roughly this size will burn through propane? I’m moving to a house with an underground tank, and I may go that route instead of gasoline. A gallon of propane is equivalent to 0.744 gallons of gasoline. Multiply the gasoline gallons per hour by 1.34 (1/.744) to get a rough idea of the propane burn rate. |
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Posted: 9/20/2017 8:05:35 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Tigers1363:
I called customer service for a Craftsman bench grinder today. The company was Wen. I asked the CS rep if it was the same WEN that makes generators, he said yes a lot of companies have them produce products for them under their name. The Craftsman bench grinder is one of those products. I'm wondering if the HF generator is actually just a relabeled Wen and not close copy. |
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Posted: 9/20/2017 8:07:48 PM EST
[#43]
I’m wondering these and the Wen are Honda clones.
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Posted: 9/20/2017 8:22:44 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Tigers1363:
I called customer service for a Craftsman bench grinder today. The company was Wen. I asked the CS rep if it was the same WEN that makes generators, he said yes a lot of companies have them produce products for them under their name. The Craftsman bench grinder is one of those products. I'm wondering if the HF generator is actually just a relabeled Wen and not close copy. Internally the Predator wiring harness was a little more neatly done. |
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Posted: 9/20/2017 8:31:30 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By mitsuman47:
Honest question. But, wouldn't the amount of fuel burned be the same, but the power output would be lower for the propane? The max power output of the genny is reduced. But I made the assumption in the question the power output was the same. A fridge doesn't care what fuel you're using. |
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Posted: 9/20/2017 9:06:36 PM EST
[Last Edit: pdm]
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Posted: 9/21/2017 5:50:56 AM EST
[Last Edit: Londo]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By slydog68:
Yes they can. I was just looking at that myself. Motor snorkel has a kit for it. They are selling it on eBay and I'm sure their website. I might pick one up during their next sale. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By slydog68:
Originally Posted By lookinup:
I apologize if this has been answered already...... Can these HF inverter generators be converted for propane use? Good info from this thread, thanks all Lookinup recommended. |
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Posted: 9/21/2017 6:13:11 AM EST
[#48]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By JaxShooter:
I got the backorder email today. |
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Posted: 9/21/2017 6:13:58 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Londo:
I have Motor Snorkels on two of my three generators. Have been using the company's propane conversion kits for about fifteen years. Never a problem; unlike using gasoline, which has me spending money on fixing carbeurator issues due to lousy gasoline. Highly recommended. g money of carburetor |
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Posted: 9/21/2017 6:14:22 AM EST
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I checked my HF account and I guess I was backordered after they verified by ship address.
So close!
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