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Posted: 4/26/2023 7:37:31 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: In the F-117s defense, they were restricted to the same egress if I recall and the enemy missile commander was a righteous stud as well. Zoltan Dani. Became a baker after the war. In most Eastern Bloc armies, ADA is an elite arm. |
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Posted: 4/26/2023 7:38:15 PM EDT
[#2]
Get a haircut hippie!
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Posted: 4/26/2023 7:43:22 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: We won't give real allies F22 but sure let's give some corrupt commies F35. You're a real patriot. |
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Posted: 4/26/2023 7:45:27 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: He actually said right there not in the hands of Ukrainians. Nope. Read further |
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Posted: 4/26/2023 7:48:01 PM EDT
[#5]
Who’s flying the F-35s?
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Posted: 4/26/2023 7:52:17 PM EDT
[#6]
Quote HistoryQuoted: You’re assuming there wasn’t other issues in play that might have degraded that system. Like being operated by Syrians? They have a long and not so great track record with air defense. |
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Posted: 4/26/2023 7:53:10 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Like being operated by Syrians? That could be that simple. Or it was degraded intentionally |
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Posted: 4/26/2023 7:54:06 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Nope. Read further |
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Posted: 4/26/2023 7:55:58 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Ah I see. Comprehension I guess wasn't there. I'll blame it on the fog brain I have right now due to my sickness. Sorry you’re sick. Hope you get better |
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Posted: 4/26/2023 7:58:33 PM EDT
[#10]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Who’s flying the F-35s? Deleted. No idea why I thought that would be funny. |
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Posted: 4/26/2023 8:01:59 PM EDT
[#11]
Real air superiority isn’t won by aircraft technology. It’s won by a host of synergies coming together before the battle, during the battle and after the battle. Shaping the battle space, ISR, suppression of enemy air defenses, etc. A high tech jet can only survive with tons of support from other units, maybe a high speed low altitude pass would work. A couple of times.
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Posted: 4/26/2023 8:05:20 PM EDT
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I'm sure they'd do very well, the problem is that there would be a lot of shortcomings in other areas due to so many resources being put into the F-35 program.
Ground based air defenses being a major one. |
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Posted: 4/27/2023 7:12:04 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: A range of possibilities: They could all get shot down if they go over heavily contested areas with lots of Sukhoi jets and S400 sites. If used appropriately, meaning at a distance flinging AMRAAM missiles to first suppress the Russian airforce then HARM missiles to take out S400 sites.....fairly well. Amelia can’t carry HARM, actually. AFAIK no plans to integrate it. F-35 would likely use SDB’s for SEAD. |
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Posted: 4/27/2023 7:22:53 AM EDT
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It’s part of a System, which could jam, overwhelm and destroy Russian defenses in short order. But you wouldn’t want to just throw a handful into the current mix, and expect great things. The enemy always gets a vote. And they are always learning.
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Posted: 4/27/2023 7:55:57 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Yes let’s hit bases inside Russia with F35. No mission creep there. Quote HistoryQuoted: Yes let’s hit bases inside Russia with F35. No mission creep there. If F35s are in Ukraine, why not? Do you plan on vietnam'ing the conflict? Striking the source of the problems will save lives. Quoted: He actually said right there not in the hands of Ukrainians. Fly_sovietnavy75 generally projects when he sees things he doesn't like.  Quoted: Nope. Read further You'll have to keep reading to page 3.  F16s are not f35s. Where did I say F35s for Ukraine? Please, be specific. And one of the greatest failures was not opening up the f22 line for international orders to keep it going. Had we done so the line could have still been producing planes by the time we realized "Hey, we might need more". |
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Posted: 4/27/2023 8:50:02 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: That could be that simple. Or it was degraded intentionally Or both most likely. |
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Posted: 4/27/2023 8:53:07 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: If F35s are in Ukraine, why not? Do you plan on vietnam'ing the conflict? Striking the source of the problems will save lives. Fly_sovietnavy75 generally projects when he sees things he doesn't like. https://blogmedia.wideners.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/DSC5231-Web.jpg https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSsRnahH6-5JBpXxPSXaiPiCrWvFKP6uvKEVw&usqp=CAU You'll have to keep reading to page 3. F16s are not f35s. Where did I say F35s for Ukraine? Please, be specific. And one of the greatest failures was not opening up the f22 line for international orders to keep it going. Had we done so the line could have still been producing planes by the time we realized "Hey, we might need more". You sure do have a habit of labeling people who disagrees with you as Russian agents or traitors. Which is ironic given you intentionally replaced an American flag with a Ukrainian flag in your profile. It’s pretty gross for an AD Marine to do that. I hope you aren’t in a leadership position. |
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Posted: 4/27/2023 9:02:19 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Too many variables to consider before you even scratch the surface on actual 5th gen capes. Who is flying them? Who is providing planning info? How many are available? What restrictions (ROE) are there? How successful was the F-117 in Kosovo? Low observable is not invisible. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I don’t know much about fighter technology so please educate me. Since it’s a 5th Gen fighter, as Maverick would say, does that mean that missiles couldn’t even lock onto them? So, Fat Amy would basically have free reign over any battle space? Too many variables to consider before you even scratch the surface on actual 5th gen capes. Who is flying them? Who is providing planning info? How many are available? What restrictions (ROE) are there? How successful was the F-117 in Kosovo? Low observable is not invisible. that fuckin plane flew the same damn route at the same damn time every run because fuck NATO thats how they got it If we had some F35s out there they would push Russia's shit in |
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Posted: 4/27/2023 9:28:22 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You sure do have a habit of labeling people who disagrees with you as Russian agents or traitors. Which is ironic given you intentionally replaced an American flag with a Ukrainian flag in your profile. It’s pretty gross for an AD Marine to do that. I hope you aren’t in a leadership position. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: If F35s are in Ukraine, why not? Do you plan on vietnam'ing the conflict? Striking the source of the problems will save lives. Fly_sovietnavy75 generally projects when he sees things he doesn't like. https://blogmedia.wideners.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/DSC5231-Web.jpg https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSsRnahH6-5JBpXxPSXaiPiCrWvFKP6uvKEVw&usqp=CAU You'll have to keep reading to page 3. F16s are not f35s. Where did I say F35s for Ukraine? Please, be specific. And one of the greatest failures was not opening up the f22 line for international orders to keep it going. Had we done so the line could have still been producing planes by the time we realized "Hey, we might need more". You sure do have a habit of labeling people who disagrees with you as Russian agents or traitors. Which is ironic given you intentionally replaced an American flag with a Ukrainian flag in your profile. It’s pretty gross for an AD Marine to do that. I hope you aren’t in a leadership position.  Attached File |
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Posted: 4/27/2023 9:33:05 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You sure do have a habit of labeling people who disagrees with you as Russian agents or traitors. Which is ironic given you intentionally replaced an American flag with a Ukrainian flag in your profile. It’s pretty gross for an AD Marine to do that. I hope you aren’t in a leadership position. Have you read to page 3 yet to find where I support giving the "f35 to commies"? I am in a leadership billet. But, by the way, not a Marine anymore. Got out with the Obama purges in 2015. Switched branches  If I say I don't support Biden, but support his lack of enforcement on the southern border, support his gun control agenda, and support tax cuts...am I really a "not biden" guy and a conservative? 
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Posted: 4/27/2023 10:00:01 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Fly_sovietnavy75 generally projects when he sees things he doesn't like. So how much deployed time do you have OCONUS? I don't think you're the guy to cast such aspersions. Let's get a mod to do a call in the field, shall we? |
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Posted: 4/27/2023 10:00:27 AM EDT
[#22]
Quote HistoryQuoted: You sure do have a habit of labeling people who disagrees with you as Russian agents or traitors. Which is ironic given you intentionally replaced an American flag with a Ukrainian flag in your profile. It’s pretty gross for an AD Marine to do that. I hope you aren’t in a leadership position. He's not an AD Marine. |
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Posted: 4/27/2023 10:08:43 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: He's not an AD Marine. I forgot he’s Guard. |
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Posted: 4/27/2023 10:09:49 AM EDT
[#24]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Have you read to page 3 yet to find where I support giving the "f35 to commies"? I am in a leadership billet. But, by the way, not a Marine anymore. Got out with the Obama purges in 2015. Switched branches If I say I don't support Biden, but support his lack of enforcement on the southern border, support his gun control agenda, and support tax cuts...am I really a "not biden" guy and a conservative? I thought once a Marine, always a Marine? You get better and better. |
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Posted: 4/27/2023 10:27:54 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: So how much deployed time do you have OCONUS? I don't think you're the guy to cast such aspersions. Let's get a mod to do a call in the field, shall we? Quote HistoryQuoted: So how much deployed time do you have OCONUS? I don't think you're the guy to cast such aspersions. Let's get a mod to do a call in the field, shall we? Call a mod. Or @ them. Quoted: I thought once a Marine, always a Marine? You get better and better. Always a Marine but not always AD Marine. Sometimes the best soldier for the job..is a Marine Have you figured out where the call for free f35s to Ukraine is? Should be easy to find
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Posted: 4/27/2023 10:29:12 AM EDT
[#26]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Call a mod. Or @ them. Always a Marine but not always AD Marine. Sometimes the best soldier for the job..is a Marine Have you figured out where the call for free f35s to Ukraine is? Should be easy to find I really hope you don’t feed your junior enlisted the bullshit you spew here. |
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Posted: 4/27/2023 10:34:59 AM EDT
[#27]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I really hope you don’t feed your junior enlisted the bullshit you spew here. I generally bring them MREs, Monsters, Little Ceasar's pizza, and working parties I did get legendary status the one time I borrowed a hmmwv and went to the PX and got everyone stuff off their list, so I'm pretty sure they like ol' Sa'rgent fadedsun |
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Posted: 4/27/2023 10:40:24 AM EDT
[#28]
After watching that Mig31 crash in Murmansk I believe that given enough time, the mighty Russian AF can self-destruct on its own.
Wait for them to dust off the Polikarpov I-16 Ratas. |
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Posted: 4/27/2023 10:42:39 AM EDT
[#29]
Quote HistoryQuoted: After watching that Mig31 crash in Murmansk I believe that given enough time, the mighty Russian AF can self-destruct on its own. Wait for them to dust off the Polikarpov I-16 Ratas. It's a case of writing big checks the maintenance boys and air frames can't cash. Those 31s are some really, really cool planes. Just like the original Hornets the USMC is phasing out they both have the same problem: Ridden hard and put away wet. |
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Posted: 4/27/2023 10:43:44 AM EDT
[#30]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I generally bring them MREs, Monsters, Little Ceasar's pizza, and working parties I did get legendary status the one time I borrowed a hmmwv and went to the PX and got everyone stuff off their list, so I'm pretty sure they like ol' Sa'rgent fadedsun Green Monster no doubt. |
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Posted: 4/27/2023 10:51:33 AM EDT
[#31]
Quote HistoryQuoted: It's a case of writing big checks the maintenance boys and air frames can't cash. Those 31s are some really, really cool planes. Just like the original Hornets the USMC is phasing out they both have the same problem: Ridden hard and put away wet. At the Reno Air Races you see all kinds of wacky, high maintenance toys. But the hardest working mechanics I ever saw were the guys making sure that the Harrier demo was going to work. It looked like they were doing everything short of sacrificing a chicken to the machine spirit. And that was many years ago. I shudder to think how much work it takes to keep those things in the air these days. |
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Posted: 4/27/2023 10:51:40 AM EDT
[#32]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Green Monster no doubt. Yes. Those were all the jam when I first started. It was a ritual. I remember trying them and almost gagging. It's like electrified horse piss stirred with antifreeze. I'm a man of quality and breeding so I prefer the fruity tropical punch flavored ones 
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Posted: 4/27/2023 10:52:25 AM EDT
[#33]
Quote HistoryQuoted: At the Reno Air Races you see all kinds of wacky, high maintenance toys. But the hardest working mechanics I ever saw were the guys making sure that the Harrier demo was going to work. It looked like they were doing everything short of sacrificing a chicken to the machine spirit. And that was many years ago. I shudder to think how much work it takes to keep those things in the air these days. Owned by the retired Marine aviator/real estate investor guy? My FIL tried to fly those but he ended up going to c130s instead. |
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Posted: 4/27/2023 10:53:11 AM EDT
[#34]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Yes. Those were all the jam when I first started. It was a ritual. I remember trying them and almost gagging. It's like electrified horse piss stirred with antifreeze. I'm a man of quality and breeding so I prefer the fruity tropical punch flavored ones No surprise. |
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Posted: 4/27/2023 10:56:42 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Owned by the retired Marine aviator/real estate investor guy? My FIL tried to fly those but he ended up going to c130s instead. These were standard issue USMC Harriers, not privately owned. I would have really liked to have seen an F-14 demo. I did get to see a B-1 flying last weekend. Pulled into the parking lot at the show just as it was taking off. “Is THIS what you came here for!?”
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Posted: 4/27/2023 11:11:19 AM EDT
[#36]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Israel bombed Syria unopposed using them and Syria had S400s. Lol There was heavy coordination with Russia and/or by proxy Syria, whoever was actually running the air defenses. Obviously only a few people probably know the full extent of the cooperation. There was a miscom with an F16I getting shot down, but I don't think any air defense systems were ever taken out. Not to muddy the thread, but that's a big reason why Israel doesn't want to touch the UA v RU situation. Their immediate concern is taking out existential threats, and UA doesn't help them one way or another, while having a basic carte blanche in Syria does. @Harlikwin @flynavy75 (since you both were responding to that same post). |
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Posted: 4/27/2023 11:16:10 AM EDT
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F-35B's are already deployed in masses. all those hovering vertical vids of them dropping pocket grenades in trenches are done by US F-35's
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Posted: 4/27/2023 11:44:44 AM EDT
[#38]
Quote History These threads always end up like this. |
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Posted: 4/27/2023 11:57:16 AM EDT
[#39]
would destroy any Russian air or ground targets
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Posted: 4/27/2023 12:04:27 PM EDT
[#40]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Yes let’s hit bases inside Russia with F35. No mission creep there. Launchers are a legitimate target - they're firing across a border. It would be Ukraine doing the shooting, not the US. We are talking about what the aircraft could do with good pilots, not who the pilots are. Handicapping Ukraine to targets inside their borders is stupid - this is what you would do if you want to prolong the war, not end it. And nobody is giving the 35 to Ukraine, or plans to. |
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Posted: 4/27/2023 12:29:07 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The Aviation Week Answer: The F-35 will be completely mission ineffective against 8th gen Sukhoi fighters. We read the ROSOBORONEXPORT sales brouchure and are 300% convinced that the vaporware Neosov threat will completely invalidate any Western fighter and that (Pierre Sprey authoring) only F-16's setup for daylight ops will solve the problem. It's Aviation Week's estimation that the F-35 will be the next Vought Cutlass! Real World: F-35 would embarass the VVS in 12 hours. There would probably be multiple Ace-in-a-days. The myth of Russian air power would be crushed in multiple smouldering wreckage piles as exposed-rivet/inlet "5th Gen" NeoSov S$%t falls to a AIM-120 bukkake they didn't see until it was too late. |
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Posted: 4/27/2023 12:30:44 PM EDT
[#42]
The F35 is mostly a SEAD platform. I'll leave it at that.
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Posted: 4/27/2023 12:32:45 PM EDT
[#43]
Quote HistoryQuoted: That scene left me thinking WTF? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: With US pilots that 40 mile convoy and everything at the staging area would have never left Russian. And just about everyone there would be dead. I'm just here to comment on your avatar. That's a rather obscure screenshot but I get it. I liked that movie but as a young kid watching it the first time that was quite the surprising moment. That scene left me thinking WTF? I had that movie poster as a kid |
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Posted: 4/27/2023 12:52:32 PM EDT
[#44]
I'm sure we'll be finding out.
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