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Posted: 9/22/2021 11:57:28 AM EDT
[#1]
Get the rotary polisher out and clean op that mess
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Posted: 9/22/2021 12:00:20 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Rust and patina are two different things. Rust is actually destroying the metal itself and pitting it. Making it weaker. Patina is more a surface discoloration. Rust is destroying the metal, patina is not. Rust = neglect Patina = well loved Now fake patina is lame. Just like buying pre ripped jeans.  Attached File |
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Posted: 9/22/2021 12:00:41 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: That's not so much patina as it is wear. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Real patina is the result of age and can't be replicated well. Artificial aging can be attempted but it's never quite the same. https://www.snipercountry.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/06/The-4-Best-AR-15-Carry-Handles.jpg https://images.gunsinternational.com/listings_sub/acc_5589/gi_100885564/DPMS-Iraqi-Contractor-Rifles-Bring-Back_100885564_5589_571B25A3AE64C6A9.JPG Which one looks more interesting, new or an Iraq war contractor bring back. Sure you can throw the new one down the driveway a few times, but it'll never quite look right if you're trying to replicate the patina that comes from actual use. That's not so much patina as it is wear. Wear is patina. |
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Posted: 9/22/2021 12:01:14 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Get the rotary polisher out and clean op that mess https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/211087/1200px-Ancient_Greek_helmets-2100505.jpg Just scrap em and make new ones, even chrome em, would look good 
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Posted: 9/22/2021 12:03:32 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I drive a "patina" truck. Its wear is all honest to goodness use. I purposefully bought the roughest running and driving FJ40 I could find. I actually wanted to keep using it as intended, and not some coffee grabbing status symbol. It was a GA farm truck for years, and it now sports a 5.3 LS and is my DD. Love it every day honestly. I intend to do a full resto at some point, but I honestly beat the snot out of it on the weekends and it just keeps on ticking. I leave the "patina" because I've only been adding to it and I don't care to restore it just to not be able to use it. I admit I'm probably the minority in that regard. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/227817/FB_IMG_1632325894865_jpg-2100503.JPG Yep, it makes a lot of sense to me on a vehicle that is for use rather than show. |
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Posted: 9/22/2021 12:05:41 PM EDT
[#6]
Patina has value to me when it proves something's age and/or its originality.
Patina can be very-very valuable. My cousin has a '62 Dodge Dart Wagon. Impossibly ugly car. But, he sprayed over the 'patina' and I think it actually enhances the car's coolness. |
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Posted: 9/22/2021 12:11:37 PM EDT
[#7]
Interesting. I've heard of patina being mentioned in regards to copper art colors. Never heard it applied to cars.
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Posted: 9/22/2021 12:21:05 PM EDT
[#8]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Interesting. I've heard of patina being mentioned in regards to copper art colors. Never heard it applied to cars. Big,big money if original , even classes for it at big car shows |
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Posted: 9/22/2021 12:25:53 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I drive a "patina" truck. Its wear is all honest to goodness use. I purposefully bought the roughest running and driving FJ40 I could find. I actually wanted to keep using it as intended, and not some coffee grabbing status symbol. It was a GA farm truck for years, and it now sports a 5.3 LS and is my DD. Love it every day honestly. I intend to do a full resto at some point, but I honestly beat the snot out of it on the weekends and it just keeps on ticking. I leave the "patina" because I've only been adding to it and I don't care to restore it just to not be able to use it. I admit I'm probably the minority in that regard. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/227817/FB_IMG_1632325894865_jpg-2100503.JPG ETA: see that bent in radiator? That's from a full rollover, it doesn't even leak.. Replaced the roll bar and windshield and kept driving. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/227817/FB_IMG_1632326518167_jpg-2100509.JPG This shitbox is an original paint truck (I think the bottom rear part of the bed may have been reshot at one time but am not 100% sure). Is it worth more/less that way? Don't know, don't care. I keep what is left shiny and don't cry if it gets another scratch.  Attached File |
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Posted: 9/22/2021 12:29:01 PM EDT
[#10]
When I helped restore this, it took a lot of time, example of original patina when cleaned correctly, was in an old storage basement for 60 years and looked like a piece of junk before cleaning, was missing parts as well
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Posted: 9/22/2021 12:31:42 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: This. Of course, the cost of a really good paint job and the underlying bodywork to support it might have something to do with it. Who the fuck is gonna dump 20k into body work and paint for a car that wouldn't even sell completely restored for 30k... Some cars are literally not worth a full up restoration. |
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Posted: 9/22/2021 12:32:11 PM EDT
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I've spent enough time driving around in ragged out bullshit, I don't know why I'd want it to even look like I still do.
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Posted: 9/22/2021 12:40:08 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: When I helped restore this, it took a lot of time, example of original patina when cleaned correctly, was in an old storage basement for 60 years and looked like a piece of junk before cleaning, was missing parts as well https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/498772/image-2100545.jpg When you go that far back, you ain't finding one with an original drivetrain. 
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Posted: 9/22/2021 12:41:56 PM EDT
[#14]
Its a great way to claim more value and do less work for sellers.
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Posted: 9/22/2021 12:42:26 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: When you go that far back, you ain't finding one with an original drivetrain. Yes unfortunately horses don't live very long  ( 1872)
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Posted: 9/22/2021 12:45:11 PM EDT
[#16]
Patina matters if the item is significant.
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Posted: 9/22/2021 12:48:19 PM EDT
[#17]
Cars aren't supposed to have patina.
Only buildings and statues are supposed to have patina.   |
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Posted: 9/22/2021 12:48:21 PM EDT
[#18]
Patina has an interesting history.
How it sort of started was Southern CA beach/surfer cars and "Garage/Shop" Trucks. It became cool to have a first a "sun faded" look, then a sort of "matte paint" look, then wear on the paint that replicates a look like the car was parked at the beach for 20 years or that the shop truck was used by monkeys for 20 years. That's sort of when the look stops being organic and it bleeds into "Rat Rod" or "Rust bucket". The vast majority of Patina cars are intended to resemble organic wear on a paint surface. The "Rust Bucket" look is basically paint representing a "wrecking yard" look (some look like a car that was dumped in a river). It doesn't make a lot of sense on a modern car - of course neither does matte paint or flames. |
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Posted: 9/22/2021 12:50:49 PM EDT
[#19]
Wood = patina
Metal = rustina |
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Posted: 9/22/2021 1:03:37 PM EDT
[#20]
Let me step out back and take some pictures.
Lets start with this van.  Now lets apply a few of the value enhancing buzz words of the day. Its rare: Yes it is rare you can probably find more 66 mustangs for sale than this van. Is it a survivor: yes, Its just like it was when it left the Air Force Patina yes, just look at it. So with all of that the price of this van should be double what a normal one should be. |
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Posted: 9/22/2021 1:05:05 PM EDT
[#21]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Let me step out back and take some pictures. Lets start with this van. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/390973/20210922_113610-2100558.jpg Now lets apply a few of the value enhancing buzz words of the day. Its rare: Yes it is rare you can probably find more 66 mustangs for sale than this van. Is it a survivor: yes, Its just like it was when it left the Air Force Patina yes, just look at it. So with all of that the price of this van should be double what a normal one should be. In about 100 years it might be quite valuable  |
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Posted: 9/22/2021 1:06:50 PM EDT
[#22]
Because rat rods are badass, that’s why
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Posted: 9/22/2021 1:09:09 PM EDT
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Posted: 9/22/2021 1:09:31 PM EDT
[#24]
Quote HistoryQuoted: In about 100 years it might be quite valuable |
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Posted: 9/22/2021 1:12:49 PM EDT
[#25]
 Muh brakes have a patina... |
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Posted: 9/22/2021 1:14:00 PM EDT
[#26]
Rat rods are awesome.
 
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Posted: 9/22/2021 1:14:01 PM EDT
[#27]
Quote HistoryQuoted: But it has patina now. How many made, condition, time, history(who or what was connected to it) gets complicated
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Posted: 9/22/2021 1:16:37 PM EDT
[#28]
Quote HistoryQuoted: How many made, condition, time, history(who or what was connected to it) gets complicated |
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Posted: 9/22/2021 1:16:42 PM EDT
[#29]
Quote HistoryQuoted: In about 100 years it might be quite valuable Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Let me step out back and take some pictures. Lets start with this van. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/390973/20210922_113610-2100558.jpg Now lets apply a few of the value enhancing buzz words of the day. Its rare: Yes it is rare you can probably find more 66 mustangs for sale than this van. Is it a survivor: yes, Its just like it was when it left the Air Force Patina yes, just look at it. So with all of that the price of this van should be double what a normal one should be. In about 100 years it might be quite valuable 
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Posted: 9/22/2021 1:18:11 PM EDT
[#30]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Wear is patina. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Real patina is the result of age and can't be replicated well. Artificial aging can be attempted but it's never quite the same. https://www.snipercountry.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/06/The-4-Best-AR-15-Carry-Handles.jpg https://images.gunsinternational.com/listings_sub/acc_5589/gi_100885564/DPMS-Iraqi-Contractor-Rifles-Bring-Back_100885564_5589_571B25A3AE64C6A9.JPG Which one looks more interesting, new or an Iraq war contractor bring back. Sure you can throw the new one down the driveway a few times, but it'll never quite look right if you're trying to replicate the patina that comes from actual use. That's not so much patina as it is wear. Wear is patina. being on an eventual historic firearm battle wear does add to the provenance but rubbing clean through an anodized finish is wear and tear not patina. It doesn't really do anything to show the age, just use. if the anodized finish had some areas that were a little different color or simply smoother from light wear it would be considered patina. |
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Posted: 9/22/2021 1:18:55 PM EDT
[#31]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I agree but many times buzz words get used by people that don't understand that. Yup, I kinda hate to see some very valuable cars that are over-restored or modified sometimes
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Posted: 9/22/2021 1:21:20 PM EDT
[#32]
As others have said, patina is normal wear. Patina is the daily driver that hasn't been repainted. The rest of the vehicle outside of the patina has many levels. You have full chassis upgrades, LS or Coyote swaps, bags, etc or you can leave it stock. It's all about what you like. The other plus is you don't worry if it rains and the thought of a door ding doesn't scare you like it would with a $20k paint job.
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Posted: 9/22/2021 1:21:46 PM EDT
[#33]
Patina is an over used word. Mostly used as an excuse to leave a car shitty looking.
Not patina  Forced patina is shit. |
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Posted: 9/22/2021 1:21:46 PM EDT
[#34]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Let me step out back and take some pictures. Lets start with this van. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/390973/20210922_113610-2100558.jpg Now lets apply a few of the value enhancing buzz words of the day. Its rare: Yes it is rare you can probably find more 66 mustangs for sale than this van. Is it a survivor: yes, Its just like it was when it left the Air Force Patina yes, just look at it. So with all of that the price of this van should be double what a normal one should be. |
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Posted: 9/22/2021 1:28:15 PM EDT
[#35]
Quote HistoryQuoted: People that dont get it hate it. I guess if it not their car why should the care. I guess they are the oppinionated karens of the car world. Most of them dont have the creativity to build a car.. Much less a rat rod or a resto mod. You n me can be pals, I reckon. |
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Posted: 9/22/2021 1:28:20 PM EDT
[#36]
Quote HistoryQuoted: You might be surprised what those vans are bringing. |
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Posted: 9/22/2021 1:29:26 PM EDT
[#37]
What about patina after restoration?
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Posted: 9/22/2021 1:29:28 PM EDT
[#38]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Let me step out back and take some pictures. Lets start with this van. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/390973/20210922_113610-2100558.jpg Now lets apply a few of the value enhancing buzz words of the day. Its rare: Yes it is rare you can probably find more 66 mustangs for sale than this van. Is it a survivor: yes, Its just like it was when it left the Air Force Patina yes, just look at it. So with all of that the price of this van should be double what a normal one should be. What I see when I look at that van. Straight, presumably rust free (because TX, not rust belt or northeast). Clean all the shmoo off of it. Stock 6.0 and 4L80 out of a newer van, bigger brakes, rebuild suspension. Exhaust with a little bit of noise to it. Not dumb loud, just enough to let you know a V8 lives in there. Slight lowering job, appropriate modern set of wheels/tires. Maybe a set of 16-18" steelies Front part of the interior redone with comfortable seats, working AC and a good stereo. Work van partition and racks/cabinets in the back. Redo bumpers, grille and trim (maybe chrome but more likely black). Lettered with my company name/contact info in an era appropriate font. Maybe I am weird but I find myself more interested in what is in the parking lot at car shows then the cars on display sometimes. I enjoy seeing more in progress, not quite show worthy, survivor and obviously home built cars then I do seeing checkbook builds. |
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Posted: 9/22/2021 1:29:41 PM EDT
[#39]
Quote HistoryQuoted: This. Of course, the cost of a really good paint job and the underlying bodywork to support it might have something to do with it. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: There are lots of trends in car culture that are retared, "patina" and rat rods are just another example. This. Of course, the cost of a really good paint job and the underlying bodywork to support it might have something to do with it. I always thought that was the real reason. |
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Posted: 9/22/2021 1:31:12 PM EDT
[#40]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Let me step out back and take some pictures. Lets start with this van. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/390973/20210922_113610-2100558.jpg Now lets apply a few of the value enhancing buzz words of the day. Its rare: Yes it is rare you can probably find more 66 mustangs for sale than this van. Is it a survivor: yes, Its just like it was when it left the Air Force Patina yes, just look at it. So with all of that the price of this van should be double what a normal one should be. So - in the right context - if the mechanicals were perfect, the van was cleaned off (patina does not include tree sap), and the finish was stabilized - it probably would be worth double the KBB. In fact there is a whole group of patina van enthusiasts out there. |
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Posted: 9/22/2021 1:31:33 PM EDT
[#41]
Quote HistoryQuoted: What about patina after restoration? https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/390973/20210920_124940-2098406.jpg Actually has some value, if it was restored 50 or 60 years ago ,they are starting to have value because of time or who restored it |
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Posted: 9/22/2021 1:34:18 PM EDT
[#42]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Its been for sale for over 10 years. The owner is dead now. Nobody ever asked to even look at it so I doubt there is much money there. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: You might be surprised what those vans are bringing. I like patina myself. If you go to a cruise in, every one has a shiney car. |
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Posted: 9/22/2021 1:34:21 PM EDT
[#43]
Quote HistoryQuoted: What I see when I look at that van. Straight, presumably rust free (because TX, not rust belt or northeast). Clean all the shmoo off of it. Stock 6.0 and 4L80 out of a newer van, bigger brakes, rebuild suspension. Exhaust with a little bit of noise to it. Not dumb loud, just enough to let you know a V8 lives in there. Slight lowering job, appropriate modern set of wheels/tires. Maybe a set of 16-18" steelies Front part of the interior redone with comfortable seats, working AC and a good stereo. Work van partition and racks/cabinets in the back. Redo bumpers, grille and trim (maybe chrome but more likely black). Lettered with my company name/contact info in an era appropriate font. Maybe I am weird but I find myself more interested in what is in the parking lot at car shows then the cars on display sometimes. I enjoy seeing more in progress, not quite show worthy, survivor and obviously home built cars then I do seeing checkbook builds. |
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Posted: 9/22/2021 1:35:08 PM EDT
[#44]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Actually has some value, if it was restored 50 or 60 years ago ,they are starting to have value because of time or who restored it |
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Posted: 9/22/2021 1:35:38 PM EDT
[#45]
Quote HistoryQuoted: It must be a regional thing I'd expect $3k for that being a long one. If it was short then it would probably be double. I like patina myself. If you go to a cruise in, every one has a shiney car. |
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Posted: 9/22/2021 1:36:06 PM EDT
[#46]
Quote HistoryQuoted: But does anything I typed out actually add any resale value to it. Of course it doesn't because in the end its still a shit van. History, you need to come up with a story like Ozzie Osborne got laid in it or something 
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Posted: 9/22/2021 1:37:18 PM EDT
[#47]
Quote HistoryQuoted: What about patina after restoration? https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/390973/20210920_124940-2098406.jpg Yep - they call that "an older restoration" and they can be more valuable then a fresh restoration if certain "totally unavailable OEM parts" are in place. |
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Posted: 9/22/2021 1:37:59 PM EDT
[#48]
Patina is usually from a combination of alternating neglect and care.
Get yer tetanus shots though… |
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Posted: 9/22/2021 1:38:46 PM EDT
[#49]
Quote HistoryQuoted: History, you need to come up with a story like Ozzie Osborne got laid in it or something |
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Posted: 9/22/2021 1:38:57 PM EDT
[#50]
Quote HistoryQuoted: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/3561/20200204_200257-1263680.jpg Muh brakes have a patina... I have a C3…not looking forward to brake time. Sigh. |
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