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Posted: 11/5/2019 3:16:31 AM EDT

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And we should care because? What's your opinion on people of Hispanic heritage such as I? Just wondering.

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President Trump is as well.

I just saw two commie liberals lambast Trump for saying he is a nationalist. Of course they lie and try to associate nationalist with racist, Hitler and puppy killers.

My country (USA) is not the oldest on Earth but we are the best.

I want Germany to be Germany...not a country over run by muslim invaders.

The same goes for other European countries. They have their culture, language, etc that needs to remain uniquely their own.

There are many cesspool third world countries. Their citizens need to man up and fix their problems and try to achieve a modicum of MAGA equivalency. Stop invading other countries to ruin them.

And we should care because? What's your opinion on people of Hispanic heritage such as I? Just wondering.

Half the blood in my veins is of Germanic origin, but I love these United States and could give half a shit about Germany. My mother used to beg her father to teach her German. He said: "No, you are an American. You will speak the language of Americans. "

Posted: 11/5/2019 3:40:35 AM EDT

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American 100%. I was just wondering bc some (not all) nationalists have racist tendencies.

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How is that, can you explain?

Posted: 11/5/2019 3:50:30 AM EDT

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Precisely correct

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Key word: Some. Some Communists/Socialists, moderates, etc all have racist tendencies themselves

Precisely correct

How precisely, I need affirmation.

Posted: 11/5/2019 3:51:35 AM EDT

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The United States was never a “nation state” in the sense of the term’s origin and meaning.

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Nationalism and patriotism often overlap, but aren't quite the same idea.

But nationalism used to be common in the world, and especially in America. Americans leaders used to put American interest above anything else, and we were a better country for it.

The United States was never a “nation state” in the sense of the term’s origin and meaning.

False. The United States became a Nation State the moment it adopted public education.

After all, the basis of a Nation State is a society comprised of a single identity. Cultural identity is forged during childhood. In a society with public education, that childhood is spent in a public school.

As proof, I submit that the United States public education system was inspired by and modeled after the public education system of a premier Nation State, which designed its school system for the purpose of instilling Nationalism.

Posted: 11/5/2019 3:55:56 AM EDT

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The FF were undeniably “racist” by any modern standard.

Sexist too.

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Please go on, you have more you are holding back.

Posted: 11/5/2019 4:07:05 AM EDT

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How is that, can you explain?

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American 100%. I was just wondering bc some (not all) nationalists have racist tendencies.

How is that, can you explain?

Are you honestly serious? Seems like a bad faith question if you're truly asking that with even the smallest amount of sincerity.

Hint: Nationalism and Racists are like a Venn Diagram. NOT ALL Nationalists are racists but most racists would consider themselves nationalists (and that's including Black Nationalists, White Nationalists, etc..)

We're talking about historical definitions that have been used for hundreds of years. You can't just call yourself a term that has been defined for centuries and argue that your definition is different than the long established one. This isn't one of those terms one can easily dismiss naysayers as "The modern media has changed the definition, don't listen to that" because we're talking hundreds of years of the same definition.

Posted: 11/5/2019 4:11:45 AM EDT

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Nationalism = patriotism.

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^This^

To me being a nationalist means that I love my country, I support the Constitution, and I believe in the rule of law.

I just happen to be White so I guess I'm a White Nationalist.

Posted: 11/5/2019 4:57:00 AM EDT

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Are you honestly serious? Seems like a bad faith question if you're truly asking that with even the smallest amount of sincerity.

Hint: Nationalism and Racists are like a Venn Diagram. NOT ALL Nationalists are racists but most racists would consider themselves nationalists (and that's including Black Nationalists, White Nationalists, etc..)

We're talking about historical definitions that have been used for hundreds of years. You can't just call yourself a term that has been defined for centuries and argue that your definition is different than the long established one. This isn't one of those terms one can easily dismiss naysayers as "The modern media has changed the definition, don't listen to that" because we're talking hundreds of years of the same definition.

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Have you read the Articles of Confederation?

Posted: 11/5/2019 6:24:37 AM EDT

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And we should care because? What's your opinion on people of Hispanic heritage such as I? Just wondering.

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Posted: 11/5/2019 6:33:23 AM EDT

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I enjoy reading how people repeatedly blame some insidious “Left” for trying to divide the American people and create discord.

This sudden desire to use a term with no real historical precedent and which has understandable and predictable reaction from others, is a perfect example of the “Right” acting in a way that divides and creates discord.

Ironically, language is intrinsically linked to the concept of nationalism, and you can’t have a unified national identity without a common language. That’s one strength the US has always had going for it. I’m just not so sure why so many are so eager to invent their own definitions, then walk around using their new found word as a wedge.

But, it’s quite common. And we’ve seen many examples here over the years. All of these effectively create an “in group” which immediately characterizes others as outsiders because they do not share the same twisted definitions.

These days, we are told that when politicians say “Democracy” they are actually referring to mob rule and speaking against the Constitution. Diversity isn’t about learning about and respecting differences, but a Leftist tool to attack Veterans. Justice isn’t about fairness. Even “fairness” isn’t about fairness, because it’s a code for anything but. Many of these words first started being abused by the Left. That doesn’t mean we concede their abused definition, or start to play the same game. Not if we want to pretend our interests are unity, not disunity, anyway.

With the abuses of language on both the Left and the Right, it’s gotten to where damn near every perfectly normal word used historically to discuss and participate in a society has spun off into two competing and non-reconcilable fringe narratives.

Posted: 11/5/2019 6:36:22 AM EDT

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People are tribal, it's part of our nature.

For there to be a tribe, there has to be an "US" and a "THEM".

Nothing wrong with putting the "US" first on a national level.

Posted: 11/5/2019 6:37:04 AM EDT

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False. The United States became a Nation State the moment it adopted public education.

After all, the basis of a Nation State is a society comprised of a single identity. Cultural identity is forged during childhood. In a society with public education, that childhood is spent in a public school.

As proof, I submit that the United States public education system was inspired by and modeled after the public education system of a premier Nation State, which designed its school system for the purpose of instilling Nationalism.

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Nationalism and patriotism often overlap, but aren't quite the same idea.

But nationalism used to be common in the world, and especially in America. Americans leaders used to put American interest above anything else, and we were a better country for it.

The United States was never a “nation state” in the sense of the term’s origin and meaning.

False. The United States became a Nation State the moment it adopted public education.

After all, the basis of a Nation State is a society comprised of a single identity. Cultural identity is forged during childhood. In a society with public education, that childhood is spent in a public school.

As proof, I submit that the United States public education system was inspired by and modeled after the public education system of a premier Nation State, which designed its school system for the purpose of instilling Nationalism.

Instilling a national identity based on something beyond the normal, sure. But this was specifically to counter other types of identity formation.

The nation building concept that was pushed in that public schools was the aforementioned “Americanism.”

From there, “American nationalist” is redundant.

Posted: 11/5/2019 6:40:27 AM EDT

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If you don't care that is not my problem.

30 million or so illegal Mexicans here need to go back to Mexico and fix their country. Wipe out the cartels. Make Mexico the great tourist mecca is can be without the violence of cartel criminals.

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Illegal aliens should all go back, but are you against legal immigration as well?

Posted: 11/5/2019 6:41:52 AM EDT

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I enjoy reading how people repeatedly blame some insidious “Left” for trying to divide the American people and create discord.

This sudden desire to use a term with no real historical precedent and which has understandable and predictable reaction from others, is a perfect example of the “Right” acting in a way that divides and creates discord.

Ironically, language is intrinsically linked to the concept of nationalism, and you can’t have a unified national identity without a common language. That’s one strength the US has always had going for it. I’m just not so sure why so many are so eager to invent their own definitions, then walk around using their new found word as a wedge.

But, it’s quite common. And we’ve seen many examples here over the years. All of these effectively create an “in group” which immediately characterizes others as outsiders because they do not share the same twisted definitions.

These days, we are told that when politicians say “Democracy” they are actually referring to mob rule and speaking against the Constitution. Diversity isn’t about learning about and respecting differences, but a Leftist tool to attack Veterans. Justice isn’t about fairness. Even “fairness” isn’t about fairness, because it’s a code for anything but. Many of these words first started being abused by the Left. That doesn’t mean we concede their abused definition, or start to play the same game. Not if we want to pretend our interests are unity, not disunity, anyway.

With the abuses of language on both the Left and the Right, it’s gotten to where damn near every perfectly normal word used historically to discuss and participate in a society has spun off into two competing and non-reconcilable fringe narratives.

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Says the guy haranguing everyone here about the “correct” meaning of nationalist . And by correct I mean the lefts version.

I’ll happily use Americanism from now on if it stops the college professor lecturing about how racist everyone is .

Posted: 11/5/2019 6:53:55 AM EDT

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Says the guy haranguing everyone here about the “correct” meaning of nationalist . And by correct I mean the lefts version.

I’ll happily use Americanism from now on if it stops the college professor lecturing about how racist everyone is .

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I enjoy reading how people repeatedly blame some insidious “Left” for trying to divide the American people and create discord.

This sudden desire to use a term with no real historical precedent and which has understandable and predictable reaction from others, is a perfect example of the “Right” acting in a way that divides and creates discord.

Ironically, language is intrinsically linked to the concept of nationalism, and you can’t have a unified national identity without a common language. That’s one strength the US has always had going for it. I’m just not so sure why so many are so eager to invent their own definitions, then walk around using their new found word as a wedge.

But, it’s quite common. And we’ve seen many examples here over the years. All of these effectively create an “in group” which immediately characterizes others as outsiders because they do not share the same twisted definitions.

These days, we are told that when politicians say “Democracy” they are actually referring to mob rule and speaking against the Constitution. Diversity isn’t about learning about and respecting differences, but a Leftist tool to attack Veterans. Justice isn’t about fairness. Even “fairness” isn’t about fairness, because it’s a code for anything but. Many of these words first started being abused by the Left. That doesn’t mean we concede their abused definition, or start to play the same game. Not if we want to pretend our interests are unity, not disunity, anyway.

With the abuses of language on both the Left and the Right, it’s gotten to where damn near every perfectly normal word used historically to discuss and participate in a society has spun off into two competing and non-reconcilable fringe narratives.

Says the guy haranguing everyone here about the “correct” meaning of nationalist . And by correct I mean the lefts version.

I’ll happily use Americanism from now on if it stops the college professor lecturing about how racist everyone is .

That’s just my point, it’s not “The Left’s” version. You’ve just decided to convince yourself that, this allowing you to dismiss the mainstream as “The Left.”

Posted: 11/5/2019 7:05:50 AM EDT

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That’s just my point, it’s not “The Left’s” version. You’ve just decided to convince yourself that, this allowing you to dismiss the mainstream as “The Left.”

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Where did you learn this “mainstream” definition?

It is NOT my problem that the “mainstream” is wholly communist now and uses newspeak as a guide to twist and obfuscate and very simple point.

As an Americanist

I refuse to accept newspeak

ETA: If trump started using Americanism instead of nationalist would the media stop banging that point ? Of course not , Americanism would then be defined as racist .

Newspeak happens every single day now . And it comes from the “mainstream” So , since they’ve decided to do that, I’ve decided to reject their definitions when those definitions are meant to curb free speech .

Posted: 11/5/2019 7:19:58 AM EDT

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Where did you learn this “mainstream” definition?

It is NOT my problem that the “mainstream” is wholly communist now and uses newspeak as a guide to twist and obfuscate and very simple point.

As an Americanist

I refuse to accept newspeak

ETA: If trump started using Americanism instead of nationalist would the media stop banging that point ? Of course not , Americanism would then be defined as racist .

Newspeak happens every single day now . And it comes from the “mainstream” So , since they’ve decided to do that, I’ve decided to reject their definitions when those definitions are meant to curb free speech .

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That’s just my point, it’s not “The Left’s” version. You’ve just decided to convince yourself that, this allowing you to dismiss the mainstream as “The Left.”

Where did you learn this “mainstream” definition?

It is NOT my problem that the “mainstream” is wholly communist now and uses newspeak as a guide to twist and obfuscate and very simple point.

As an Americanist

I refuse to accept newspeak

ETA: If trump started using Americanism instead of nationalist would the media stop banging that point ? Of course not , Americanism would then be defined as racist .

Newspeak happens every single day now . And it comes from the “mainstream” So , since they’ve decided to do that, I’ve decided to reject their definitions when those definitions are meant to curb free speech .

It is wholly impossible to read any historic or modern discussions of nationalism and not use the “mainstream” definition. Nothing else makes sense.

Nationalism is a concept rooted in identity. Prussian nationalists believed that identity should be Prussian. German nationalist pushed for a broader identity.

These concepts have been around with this understanding since at least the end of the 30 years war. People wrote about it constantly in the 19th century.

Don’t complain of newspeak than participate in it yourself, it’s unbecoming.

Posted: 11/5/2019 7:39:34 AM EDT

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If you look up Webster’s dictionary, (fascism, national socialism) requires putting the state over individual rights.

Anyone here put state rights over individual?

Anyone?

Anyone?

Who let out all the crickets?

Point that out next time, you believe in individual rights over the state.

Posted: 11/5/2019 7:45:57 AM EDT

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lol

Posted: 11/5/2019 7:49:08 AM EDT

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If you look up Webster’s dictionary, (fascism, national socialism) requires putting the state over individual rights.

Anyone here put state rights over individual?

Anyone?

Anyone?

Who let out all the crickets?

Point that out next time, you believe in individual rights over the state.

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As derpy as things can get here, I have yet to see anyone advocate use of the term “fascism” as a positive.

Maybe it’s coming next, but it makes no sense in the context of this thread.

Posted: 11/5/2019 7:52:12 AM EDT

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Are you saying Hispanic Americans can’t be nationalists?

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They love Mexico.

Posted: 11/5/2019 7:53:52 AM EDT

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Nationalism = patriotism.

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And Globalism equals Communism, regardless of what a dictionary says. The people pushing Globalism are all Communists. Patriots all want to put their nations interests first, so we are all Nationalists. If anyone prefers Globalism over Nationalism, then they are NOT patriots.

Posted: 11/5/2019 7:54:23 AM EDT

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And we should care because? What's your opinion on people of Hispanic heritage such as I? Just wondering.

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President Trump is as well.

I just saw two commie liberals lambast Trump for saying he is a nationalist. Of course they lie and try to associate nationalist with racist, Hitler and puppy killers.

My country (USA) is not the oldest on Earth but we are the best.

I want Germany to be Germany...not a country over run by muslim invaders.

The same goes for other European countries. They have their culture, language, etc that needs to remain uniquely their own.

There are many cesspool third world countries. Their citizens need to man up and fix their problems and try to achieve a modicum of MAGA equivalency. Stop invading other countries to ruin them.

And we should care because? What's your opinion on people of Hispanic heritage such as I? Just wondering.

"Just wondering."

Posted: 11/5/2019 7:58:06 AM EDT

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Nationalism = patriotism.

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Not true.

Posted: 11/5/2019 8:00:56 AM EDT

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No it doesn't.
Words have meanings.

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Nationalism = patriotism.

No it doesn't.
Words have meanings.

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Patriotism: devoted love, support, and defense of one's country; national loyalty

Nationalism: devotion and loyalty to one's own country; patriotism

Yeah. Totally different.

Posted: 11/5/2019 8:05:51 AM EDT

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So I guess all of you “Nationalists” support the Union side of the Civil War?

Posted: 11/5/2019 8:06:33 AM EDT

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No one said anything like that. Go troll somewhere else.

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TIL the Founding Fathers were trash.

No one said anything like that. Go troll somewhere else.

You implied it through your post.

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Posted: 11/5/2019 8:13:39 AM EDT

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This sudden desire to use a term with no real historical precedent and which has understandable and predictable reaction from others, is a perfect example of the "Right" acting in a way that divides and creates discord.

Ironically, language is intrinsically linked to the concept of nationalism, and you can't have a unified national identity without a common language. That's one strength the US has always had going for it. I'm just not so sure why so many are so eager to invent their own definitions, then walk around using their new found word as a wedge.

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I follow what you're saying, but I think you're going too deep. I'd lean more towards this phenomenon being a backlash against the constant squeals of, "Racist! Racist!" than anything else. Surely you don't think OP consciously set out with the sole goal of driving a wedge between Americans.

The Right didn't choose the term, and no matter what anyone actually says or does the term will continue to be applied, correctly or more likely incorrectly, by the MSM. It shouldn't be a surprise to see some number of people begin to do something other than cower at the label, even to the point of embracing and trying to change the narrative surrounding the term.

Posted: 11/5/2019 8:17:28 AM EDT

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That's just my point, it's not "The Left's" version. You've just decided to convince yourself that, this allowing you to dismiss the mainstream as "The Left."

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I enjoy reading how people repeatedly blame some insidious "Left" for trying to divide the American people and create discord.

This sudden desire to use a term with no real historical precedent and which has understandable and predictable reaction from others, is a perfect example of the "Right" acting in a way that divides and creates discord.

Ironically, language is intrinsically linked to the concept of nationalism, and you can't have a unified national identity without a common language. That's one strength the US has always had going for it. I'm just not so sure why so many are so eager to invent their own definitions, then walk around using their new found word as a wedge.

But, it's quite common. And we've seen many examples here over the years. All of these effectively create an "in group" which immediately characterizes others as outsiders because they do not share the same twisted definitions.

These days, we are told that when politicians say "Democracy" they are actually referring to mob rule and speaking against the Constitution. Diversity isn't about learning about and respecting differences, but a Leftist tool to attack Veterans. Justice isn't about fairness. Even "fairness" isn't about fairness, because it's a code for anything but. Many of these words first started being abused by the Left. That doesn't mean we concede their abused definition, or start to play the same game. Not if we want to pretend our interests are unity, not disunity, anyway.

With the abuses of language on both the Left and the Right, it's gotten to where damn near every perfectly normal word used historically to discuss and participate in a society has spun off into two competing and non-reconcilable fringe narratives.

Says the guy haranguing everyone here about the "correct" meaning of nationalist . And by correct I mean the lefts version.

I'll happily use Americanism from now on if it stops the college professor lecturing about how racist everyone is .

That's just my point, it's not "The Left's" version. You've just decided to convince yourself that, this allowing you to dismiss the mainstream as "The Left."

But you're missing a major point - the issue is less about dictionary vs historical definitioms, and more about inaccurate labeling and the concerted push of this racist(!!!) narrative.

Posted: 11/5/2019 8:42:21 AM EDT

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And we should care because? What's your opinion on people of Hispanic heritage such as I? Just wondering.

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Are you assimilated to the American way of life, proud to be, and put your loyalties to America above any other country?

Posted: 11/5/2019 8:52:49 AM EDT

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No it doesn't.

Words have meanings.

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See sig line.

Posted: 11/5/2019 8:58:29 AM EDT

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Are you saying Hispanic Americans can’t be nationalists?

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President Trump is as well.

I just saw two commie liberals lambast Trump for saying he is a nationalist. Of course they lie and try to associate nationalist with racist, Hitler and puppy killers.

My country (USA) is not the oldest on Earth but we are the best.

I want Germany to be Germany...not a country over run by muslim invaders.

The same goes for other European countries. They have their culture, language, etc that needs to remain uniquely their own.

There are many cesspool third world countries. Their citizens need to man up and fix their problems and try to achieve a modicum of MAGA equivalency. Stop invading other countries to ruin them.

And we should care because? What's your opinion on people of Hispanic heritage such as I? Just wondering.

Are you saying Hispanic Americans can’t be nationalists?

Just dont come here, take our tax money, undercut our pay, benefit from our security (.mil) and then wave a foreign flag.

Posted: 11/5/2019 8:59:37 AM EDT

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American 100%. I was just wondering bc some (not all) nationalists have racist tendencies.

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Go back to DU with that bullshit.

Posted: 11/5/2019 8:59:44 AM EDT

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Posted: 11/5/2019 9:02:04 AM EDT

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deleted, misunderstood post.

Posted: 11/5/2019 9:03:54 AM EDT

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Trump is an Opportunist

the lesser of 2 evils in the next election

Julius Caesar built 2 walls in one winter to solve his problems.

Posted: 11/5/2019 9:05:44 AM EDT

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Are you an American or are you one of the Goblinos looking to turn us into Mexico?

If you're the former we can be friends.

If you're the latter you can get bent.

IDGAF what color, heritage, religion, or who you want to fuck...If you value to
He Constitution and Liberty and our history and values...you're ok.

If you dont...then I view you as an enemy.

Posted: 11/5/2019 9:07:07 AM EDT

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A Nationalist is one who believes in and supports the idea of Nationalism.

A Patriot is not someone who supports the IDEA of Patriotism.

A Patriot is someone who loves their Country.

A Nationalist is not the same thing as a “National.”

I don’t think there is such a thing as a “Patriotist.”

Posted: 11/5/2019 9:10:56 AM EDT

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