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Posted: 2/22/2024 11:59:36 PM EDT
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Just seen on the official livestream that this lander is only active for about 7 days. Will see what they show us I guess....
1:46:59 here  Intuitive Machines - NOVA-C (IM-1) - Moon Landing Malapert A Crater Moon - February 23, 2024 |
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Posted: 2/23/2024 10:28:24 AM EDT
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Lunar Surface Day One Update (23FEB2024 0818 CST) Odysseus is alive and well. Flight controllers are communicating and commanding the vehicle to download science data. The lander has good telemetry and solar charging. We continue to learn more about the vehicle’s specific information (Lat/Lon), overall health, and attitude (orientation). Intuitive Machines CEO Steve Altemus will participate in a press conference later today to discuss this historic moment. Press conference information will be coordinated with NASA and published shortly. |
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Posted: 2/23/2024 10:47:28 AM EDT
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Dupe of Chokey post.
If it is upright, what more do they need to learn about it. Where are the pictures? |
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Posted: 2/23/2024 3:05:55 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Dupe of Chokey post. If it is upright, what more do they need to learn about it. Where are the pictures? Quote HistoryQuoted: Dupe of Chokey post. If it is upright, what more do they need to learn about it. Where are the pictures? Eagle Cam was not deployed during the landing. https://news.erau.edu/headlines/eaglecam-updates-embry-riddle-device-lands-on-moon Due to complications with Odysseus’ internal navigation system — specifically concerning the software patch to navigation data to include NASA’s NDL (Navigation Doppler Lidar) payload, which is meant to ensure a soft landing — the decision was made to power down EagleCam during landing and not deploy the device during Odysseus’ final descent. However, both the Intuitive Machines and EagleCam teams still plan to deploy EagleCam and capture images of the lander on the lunar surface as the mission continues. The time of deployment is currently unknown. Stay tuned! More information will be released as soon as it becomes available. |
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Posted: 2/23/2024 6:04:51 PM EDT
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 NASA News Conference on Intuitive Machines' First Lunar Landing |
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Posted: 2/23/2024 6:11:52 PM EDT
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Posted: 2/23/2024 6:17:16 PM EDT
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Should have had a lower center of gravity. Short and squat with wide legs would have given it a better chance.
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Posted: 2/23/2024 6:58:35 PM EDT
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Posted: 2/23/2024 7:03:22 PM EDT
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Darn, I was going to say that no news/pictures probably means that it is not upright. Mission failure.
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Posted: 2/23/2024 7:13:19 PM EDT
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Posted: 2/23/2024 9:25:06 PM EDT
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The laser range finders (LIDAR?) have a physical safety switch that was not deactivated on the ground prior to launch. Thus that system was not operable when it was needed and that is why they had to use the NASA LIDAR.
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Posted: 2/23/2024 9:36:38 PM EDT
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The landing wasn’t the success they hoped for, but it was still a soft landing. The miracle on the Hudson wasn’t an ideal landing, either, but I think we’d all agree that something good came of it.
Sure, the lander is on its side, but that doesn’t mean it can’t carry out some missions and provide useful data. Space flight is hard. It’s even harder when you have no reference frame, like WGS84 here on earth, to work with. |
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Posted: 2/23/2024 9:39:46 PM EDT
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Someone put the penguin in there.
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Posted: 2/23/2024 9:40:28 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The laser range finders (LIDAR?) has a physical safety switch that was not deactivated on the ground prior to launch. Thus that system was not operable when it was needed and that is why they had to use the NASA LIDAR. 
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Posted: 2/23/2024 9:53:29 PM EDT
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Posted: 2/23/2024 9:55:56 PM EDT
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As the unit gets close to end of life, does it still have enough maneuvering thruster/lander propellent to attempt to right the unit and shift it's location at all?
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Posted: 2/23/2024 10:03:18 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Darn, I was going to say that no news/pictures probably means that it is not upright. Mission failure. Well, I, uh, don't it's quite fair to condemn a whole program because of a single slip-up, sir. |
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Posted: 2/23/2024 10:09:11 PM EDT
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I guess Coke machines are harder to land than washing machines.
If a woman can't spread her legs wider than she is tall, you're not going to land her either. Must be a CoG thing. |
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Posted: 2/23/2024 10:12:21 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The laser range finders (LIDAR?) has a physical safety switch that was not deactivated on the ground prior to launch. Thus that system was not operable when it was needed and that is why they had to use the NASA LIDAR. Lame. |
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Posted: 2/23/2024 10:19:09 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Well, I, uh, don't it's quite fair to condemn a whole program because of a single slip-up, sir. I only meant this flight. There will be others. |
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Posted: 2/23/2024 10:21:30 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: If a woman can't spread her legs wider than she is tall, you're not going to land her either. Challenge accepted... |
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Posted: 2/23/2024 10:23:01 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Challenge accepted... His name was AnalogKid. Godspeed buddy. |
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Posted: 2/23/2024 10:23:02 PM EDT
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The Nova-C lander is 14 feet tall. Those legs look woefully inadequate for uneven, rocky terrain. At the velocity and slightly horizontal trajectory it probably bounced in 1/6 gravity and tripped. Not surprising as the engineers I work with in the industry lack any modicum of common sense when it comes to design.
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Posted: 2/23/2024 10:31:28 PM EDT
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so dumb. whole thing was a shit show
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Posted: 2/23/2024 11:33:38 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The Nova-C lander is 14 feet tall. Those legs look woefully inadequate for uneven, rocky terrain. At the velocity and slightly horizontal trajectory it probably bounced in 1/6 gravity and tripped. Not surprising as the engineers I work with in the industry lack any modicum of common sense when it comes to design. The lander was supposed to land at about 1 MPH vertical speed and no lateral motion....straight down. Their best guess now is that it contacted the moon at 6 MPH vertical speed and 2 MPH lateral speed and that a leg/circular landing pad caught something causing it to tip over. |
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Posted: 2/23/2024 11:57:07 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The lander was supposed to land at about 1 MPH vertical speed and no lateral motion....straight down. Their best guess now is that it contacted the moon at 6 MPH vertical speed and 2 MPH lateral speed and that a leg/circular landing pad caught something causing it to tip over. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: The Nova-C lander is 14 feet tall. Those legs look woefully inadequate for uneven, rocky terrain. At the velocity and slightly horizontal trajectory it probably bounced in 1/6 gravity and tripped. Not surprising as the engineers I work with in the industry lack any modicum of common sense when it comes to design. The lander was supposed to land at about 1 MPH vertical speed and no lateral motion....straight down. Their best guess now is that it contacted the moon at 6 MPH vertical speed and 2 MPH lateral speed and that a leg/circular landing pad caught something causing it to tip over. It is the same thing that I thought. The loss of the primary laser input was probably a huge part of that. The fact that they even got it on the surface without auguring in was a huge success imo. |
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Posted: 2/24/2024 12:17:35 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The Nova-C lander is 14 feet tall. Those legs look woefully inadequate for uneven, rocky terrain. At the velocity and slightly horizontal trajectory it probably bounced in 1/6 gravity and tripped. Not surprising as the engineers I work with in the industry lack any modicum of common sense when it comes to design. Yeah, in 1/6g there is not much going to keep it planted and prevent a tip over if they could not arrest all the lateral movement. Which you would think they had to consider, but who knows. They were stuck with the fairing diameter for the Falcon9 when they signed the contract with SpaceX.  |
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Posted: 2/24/2024 12:23:43 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: As the unit gets close to end of life, does it still have enough maneuvering thruster/lander propellent to attempt to right the unit and shift it's location at all? From what I read it only had 7-8 days until end of life to gather data if the landing was upright. |
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Posted: 2/24/2024 12:28:59 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Yeah, in 1/6g there is not much going to keep it planted and prevent a tip over if they could not arrest all the lateral movement. Which you would think they had to consider, but who knows. They were stuck with the fairing diameter for the Falcon9 when they signed the contract with SpaceX. https://i.imgur.com/5OZivsU.jpg That doesn't mean they couldn't launch it on its side, then they land it with the long axis parallel with the ground instead of perpendicular. |
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Posted: 2/24/2024 12:37:15 AM EDT
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Posted: 2/24/2024 12:37:34 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted:
Ah they manage the standard kerbal space program landing. Had they actually learned from jebidiah kerman, they would have known to add some "pushers" to right the final landing configuration. Rokit scientist don't think KSP be like it is, but it do... |
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Posted: 2/24/2024 1:19:15 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: That doesn't mean they couldn't launch it on its side, then they land it with the long axis parallel with the ground instead of perpendicular. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Yeah, in 1/6g there is not much going to keep it planted and prevent a tip over if they could not arrest all the lateral movement. Which you would think they had to consider, but who knows. They were stuck with the fairing diameter for the Falcon9 when they signed the contract with SpaceX. https://i.imgur.com/5OZivsU.jpg That doesn't mean they couldn't launch it on its side, then they land it with the long axis parallel with the ground instead of perpendicular. Not going to argue that. F9 fairing diameter is 15.1 Ft it seems. But Boeing Starliner could not even make it to the Space Station a few years ago due to a software glitch that made them deplete all the fuel and unable to reach the station because a clock failure due to a software issue. A place we have been going to for years. And Boeing started building the Starliner at least 3 years before Intuitive Machines decided to go to the Moon which is a greater challenge than ISS. Did Intuitive Machines fail the primary mission to land on the moon proper, yes it seems. But what they did sure looks like more than Boeing engineers accomplished trying to go somewhere we have been numerous times (ISS) on the maiden flight with likely much less funding? |
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Posted: 2/24/2024 1:25:37 AM EDT
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Posted: 2/24/2024 1:38:01 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: From what I read it only had 7-8 days until end of life to gather data if the landing was upright. In some period like you mentioned that landing spot will enter nighttime. The spacecraft was not built to survive two weeks of no sun on the solar arrays. |
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Posted: 2/24/2024 1:38:30 AM EDT
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 Maybe next time. |
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Posted: 2/24/2024 1:39:24 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryThat is hilarious. |
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Posted: 2/24/2024 1:45:35 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I agree with that. It is the same thing that I thought. The loss of the primary laser input was probably a huge part of that. The fact that they even got it on the surface without auguring in was a huge success imo. The lunar orbit insertion burn left the perilune (low point) too low. They may have raised that orbit...not positive. But because of that orbit, they tried to activate the lander LIDAR and found out that the safety switch was never deactivated. Originally, the LIDAR would not come on until they were in the actual descent to the landing area. I don't know what would have happened but they would not have had the NASA LIDAR system helping with the descent so maybe it would have augered in. I don't know what system would detect lateral movement or why it was not detected or cancelled. |
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Posted: 2/24/2024 2:39:04 AM EDT
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Maybe NASA can get the Lizard people to stand it back up straight.
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Posted: 2/24/2024 2:48:55 AM EDT
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Better luck next time. Seriously.
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Posted: 2/24/2024 6:50:05 AM EDT
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I wonder if the cube sat that got ejected caught pics of the Coke dispenser tipping over.
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Posted: 2/24/2024 8:44:45 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: That doesn't mean they couldn't launch it on its side, then they land it with the long axis parallel with the ground instead of perpendicular. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Yeah, in 1/6g there is not much going to keep it planted and prevent a tip over if they could not arrest all the lateral movement. Which you would think they had to consider, but who knows. They were stuck with the fairing diameter for the Falcon9 when they signed the contract with SpaceX. https://i.imgur.com/5OZivsU.jpg That doesn't mean they couldn't launch it on its side, then they land it with the long axis parallel with the ground instead of perpendicular. Do you know how hard that is in Kerbal Space Program? I always fuck it up and set the wrong axis up so it goes splat into the Mun.  Kharn |
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Posted: 2/24/2024 8:46:23 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The lunar orbit insertion burn left the perilune (low point) too low. They may have raised that orbit...not positive. But because of that orbit, they tried to activate the lander LIDAR and found out that the safety switch was never deactivated. Originally, the LIDAR would not come on until they were in the actual descent to the landing area. I don't know what would have happened but they would not have had the NASA LIDAR system helping with the descent so maybe it would have augered in. I don't know what system would detect lateral movement or why it was not detected or cancelled. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I agree with that. It is the same thing that I thought. The loss of the primary laser input was probably a huge part of that. The fact that they even got it on the surface without auguring in was a huge success imo. The lunar orbit insertion burn left the perilune (low point) too low. They may have raised that orbit...not positive. But because of that orbit, they tried to activate the lander LIDAR and found out that the safety switch was never deactivated. Originally, the LIDAR would not come on until they were in the actual descent to the landing area. I don't know what would have happened but they would not have had the NASA LIDAR system helping with the descent so maybe it would have augered in. I don't know what system would detect lateral movement or why it was not detected or cancelled. Someone in GD mocked me saying "Remove before flight" was the men's equivalent of "Live laugh love." Who is laughing now?  Kharn |
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Posted: 2/24/2024 9:11:11 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The Nova-C lander is 14 feet tall. Those legs look woefully inadequate for uneven, rocky terrain. At the velocity and slightly horizontal trajectory it probably bounced in 1/6 gravity and tripped. Not surprising as the engineers I work with in the industry lack any modicum of common sense when it comes to design. It is an interesting phenomenon. They can be so smart in some ways and....not so smart in other ways. When there are groups, it is easy to get focused into a certain channel of thought and miss some obvious shortcoming. I'm sure there were reasons for the lander to be so tall and unstable. Line of sight? Maybe they believed the landing system would overcome the unsteady design. Weight considerations are high priority. Battle Bots robots have evolved certain features over the years of combat. A big one is the ability to right themselves or, a design that works equally right side up or upside down. Perhaps features like this were impractical or too heavy to include on the lander. |
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Posted: 2/24/2024 9:14:00 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: so dumb. whole thing was a shit show They sent a vehicle to the moon. One glitch and "The whole thing is a shit show" I'm not seeing that. |
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Posted: 2/24/2024 9:16:59 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Yeah, in 1/6g there is not much going to keep it planted and prevent a tip over if they could not arrest all the lateral movement. Which you would think they had to consider, but who knows. They were stuck with the fairing diameter for the Falcon9 when they signed the contract with SpaceX. https://i.imgur.com/5OZivsU.jpg They can unfold, a la Mars rover. |
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Posted: 2/24/2024 9:25:43 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Should have had a lower center of gravity. Short and squat with wide legs would have given it a better chance. Bingo 
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Posted: 2/24/2024 9:25:59 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Should have had a lower center of gravity. Short and squat with wide legs would have given it a better chance. This. |
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Posted: 2/24/2024 9:54:35 AM EDT
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While it’s cool they made it to the moon and had a somewhat survivable landing, as a whole it’s a failure. Would it be a success if a military operation was summed up as “Well we made it to the LZ, but no other mission objectives were completed and everyone was killed”?
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Posted: 2/24/2024 9:56:09 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: What a time. Space travel and events live streamed Just like in 1969. |
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Posted: 2/24/2024 9:58:25 AM EDT
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Since it still has gas in the tanks and comms, why not fire up the RCS thrusters that are pointing at the surface and stand that bitch back up ???
If it blows up, well it just blows up. Nothing to lose if it does. |
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