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Posted: 3/25/2021 7:09:43 PM EDT
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If you were seeing rotary-wing aircraft anywhere near the front lines in a Cold War-era WW3, it means that an armistice was signed.
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Posted: 3/25/2021 7:12:14 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: They had Hinds in the simulator at Knox back in the day. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I was always pissed off that they didn't trust us DATs with Stingers. They trust Afghani tribesmen, but not your typical American g i joe. The average tank gunner could probably hit a HindD though. Probably. I got to be in an experiment where one side had GPS and one side didn't. Guess who won every time?  They called it Simnet or something right? Awesome futuristic stuff for 1989. |
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Posted: 3/25/2021 7:14:52 PM EDT
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Posted: 3/25/2021 7:15:36 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryThey are mocked up French Puma helicopters. Used in Red Dawn and Rambo II/III, other movies and I also believe as OPFOR for training our armed forces in the late 80's. |
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Posted: 3/25/2021 7:16:04 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: This. The MI-24 is more of a Jack of all trades, but it does every trade pretty damn well. For being such a fat bitch, it can haul ass. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Different mission. Rotorcraft are not limited by parasitic drag (fatness), but by the speed of the advancing rotor. Therefore, the bigger the rotor, the faster the top speed. |
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Posted: 3/25/2021 7:16:17 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Colonel, what's a Russian gunship doing here? Snake, what's going on? Snake, SNAKE!!!!! |
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Posted: 3/25/2021 7:19:21 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The soviets did seem to love them some greenhouse canopies for a long time. It was an interim version. The hind was developed from the mi8. And big parts of the weapons system weren't ready, so the A was built. |
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Posted: 3/25/2021 7:19:45 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: so? They don't trust Stinger ADA guys with M1 Abrams either, do they? "Hey, duck-hunter, have a tank. No, don't sign for it. Just take it! I'm sure you'll figure it out. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I was always pissed off that they didn’t trust us DATs with Stingers. They trust Afghani tribesmen, but not your typical American g i joe. The average tank gunner could probably hit a HindD though. Probably. so? They don't trust Stinger ADA guys with M1 Abrams either, do they? "Hey, duck-hunter, have a tank. No, don't sign for it. Just take it! I'm sure you'll figure it out. Well, you can’t strap a case of Tanks onto a Hmmv. I understand why they didn’t, but always thought it was a shame. |
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Posted: 3/25/2021 7:21:01 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The soviets did seem to love them some greenhouse canopies for a long time. I’d just like to see the factory where they made all of that puke-sea foam green paint that they used for the interior of EVERYTHING. That must have made 87 billions gallons of that hideous shit.
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Posted: 3/25/2021 7:29:29 PM EDT
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Posted: 3/25/2021 7:30:28 PM EDT
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 Hind MI-24 Helicopter Walkaround Tour |
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Posted: 3/25/2021 7:31:07 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I’d just like to see the factory where they made all of that puke-sea foam green paint that they used for the interior of EVERYTHING. That must have made 87 billions gallons of that hideous shit. It was supposedly calming |
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Posted: 3/25/2021 7:42:00 PM EDT
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Quoted: I got to be in an experiment where one side had GPS and one side didn't. Guess who won every time? They called it Simnet or something right? Awesome futuristic stuff for 1989. SIMulationNETworking.. and yes they did...Gunner....SABOT.....CHOPPER.... |
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Posted: 3/25/2021 7:47:27 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Why do people feel compelled to put a shitty music track to military equipment and firearms videos? I have no idea what a Hind sounds like from this vid. I prefer to hear turbines and rotor noise. For you, Komrade.  Russian Airborne Troops (VDV) Music Video |
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Posted: 3/25/2021 7:48:23 PM EDT
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If I saw that coming I'd probably shit in my bloomers.
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Posted: 3/25/2021 7:49:53 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: It was designed to work totally different than the Apache. And overall Soviet era Air Assault tactics were rather different than NATO stuff. The literal best way to think about what the Hind was supposed to do is to think of it as an A-10 with a Rotor. It was never gonna do the sneaky popup type stuff the apache was built to do. It was basically come in low, fast, hose the fuck out of a target with rockets/guns/ATGM's and haul ass back to rearm at a closeby FARP. In fact alot of the weapon systems between the hind and the SU-25 are very very similar down to the actual weapons/sighting systems. The main plus of the hind was that it could rapidly land right behind the front line. The SU-25 could land on a dirt strip, but the hind didn't even need that. Some smart guy will point out that the hind could carry troops, and that's true, but they basically never did unless it was exceptional circumstances, thats what Mi8's were for. A hind could basically either carry "troops" or "weapons"... If no one beats me to it (please feel free) there is awesome south african mercenary hind video out of Sierra Leone. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Question for those in the know. While the Hind looks badass, just how great of an helo was it? And what did it do better than Apaches, if anything? Genuinely curious. It was designed to work totally different than the Apache. And overall Soviet era Air Assault tactics were rather different than NATO stuff. The literal best way to think about what the Hind was supposed to do is to think of it as an A-10 with a Rotor. It was never gonna do the sneaky popup type stuff the apache was built to do. It was basically come in low, fast, hose the fuck out of a target with rockets/guns/ATGM's and haul ass back to rearm at a closeby FARP. In fact alot of the weapon systems between the hind and the SU-25 are very very similar down to the actual weapons/sighting systems. The main plus of the hind was that it could rapidly land right behind the front line. The SU-25 could land on a dirt strip, but the hind didn't even need that. Some smart guy will point out that the hind could carry troops, and that's true, but they basically never did unless it was exceptional circumstances, thats what Mi8's were for. A hind could basically either carry "troops" or "weapons"... If no one beats me to it (please feel free) there is awesome south african mercenary hind video out of Sierra Leone. Thanks. Very interesting. |
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Posted: 3/25/2021 7:50:47 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryCame to post this. You’re the man! |
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Posted: 3/25/2021 7:51:44 PM EDT
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WW3?
Fucking retard.... |
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Posted: 3/25/2021 7:53:25 PM EDT
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Posted: 3/25/2021 7:54:11 PM EDT
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Posted: 3/25/2021 7:54:38 PM EDT
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Documentary posted here few months ago, the cockpit isn't bullet proof. Some private owner bought one and gave a tour, anyone has the hour long video?
Video stated cyan cockpit for eye relief natural colors. |
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Posted: 3/25/2021 7:58:48 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I hope I’ve got these guys attached to my PLT. Plus manpads/stingers. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/163367/FA6C06DB-6505-4C78-AC2C-D568803DA7F5_jpe-1879831.JPG Pro tip: if you shoot from that position, but at a slightly higher angle, the backblast will blow that little stub door behind the cab clean off the hinges. |
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Posted: 3/25/2021 7:59:04 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: That was the fakest looking Hind ever. Meh, it was a passible Hind-A. |
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Posted: 3/25/2021 8:01:03 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: SIMulationNETworking.. and yes they did...Gunner....SABOT.....CHOPPER.... Everything on the battlefield can kill a tank, and a tank can kill everything on the battlefield. |
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Posted: 3/25/2021 8:02:22 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: SIMulationNETworking.. and yes they did...Gunner....SABOT.....CHOPPER.... Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I got to be in an experiment where one side had GPS and one side didn't. Guess who won every time? They called it Simnet or something right? Awesome futuristic stuff for 1989. SIMulationNETworking.. and yes they did...Gunner....SABOT.....CHOPPER.... Yep, we had choppers on our base, we practiced all the time. This was 77 |
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Posted: 3/25/2021 8:05:12 PM EDT
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Posted: 3/25/2021 8:05:25 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The one that flies out of here rattled the roof of the shop when it would go over  There is one that flies over my house on occasion too. Big SOB for an attack helicopter. Same guy has a Cobra, it is quite a bit louder. |
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Posted: 3/25/2021 8:07:35 PM EDT
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A chance to smoke a Hind-D...fucking 18B dream that!
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Posted: 3/25/2021 8:23:17 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: SIMulationNETworking.. and yes they did...Gunner....SABOT.....CHOPPER.... Yeah that's why they didnt hover and their atgms were long range. |
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Posted: 3/25/2021 8:24:18 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Documentary posted here few months ago, the cockpit isn't bullet proof. Some private owner bought one and gave a tour, anyone has the hour long video? Video stated cyan cockpit for eye relief natural colors. You are a few posts late. |
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Posted: 3/25/2021 8:30:46 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Yeah Stingers and other MANPADS made short work of them in Afghanistan. With that said, they are tough as nails with regards to taking hits from small arms fire and crew served weapons. Their ability to carry/drop off something like 8 troops into battle is also unique in that regard for an attack helicopter. Its like a Bradley that flies. Only experience with them was JRTC around 2000-2001, the Avenger saw it and started shooting before it came into view over the treetops. Nobody else shot at it, we were too busy taking pictures. 
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Posted: 3/25/2021 8:37:45 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryLOFL in the 80s? Haha Haha. You might be so lucky to have a crapperal guarding you... Or if you were lucky some germans with a gepard. But apropos to the conversation, the hind was no AH64, it was flying a decade before apaches did. A cobra is a better comparison tech wise, and in some ways the 80's versions were better than the hind and in some ways the hind was better than the Cobra. But the soviet military procurement system was as fucked up as the west (or more), so in alot of ways the hind can be thought of as a flying Bradley program. And doctrinally it ended up being used in way different ways than western attack choppers. Frankly its really hard to compare it anything in the west since the use cases were so different. Was the Hind some super helo? Nope... Far from it. Was it an interesting and pretty multirole chopper? As it turns out yes... Also, JFC, here is an actual cool vid.. Mercenary hind. Complete with "gentlemen" on "vacation".  MI 24 Hind - Mercenaries Attacking rebels in Sierra Leone - Executive Outcomes - Sandline |
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Posted: 3/26/2021 3:06:04 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: It was super frelon IIRC, and it did kind of look like a hind-A, which at the time was relevant in afghanistan. Mocked up Puma. Which, ironically, a Warsaw Pact country did attempt to make a gunship out of. Romanian IAR 330L SOCAT  |
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Posted: 3/26/2021 4:17:35 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: That was the fakest looking Hind ever. Quote HistoryQuoted: That was the fakest looking Hind ever. It was a mock up of a Hind A. IMO they did a pretty good job. This movie scared the hell out of me. The quietness of the paratroopers landing by that school stuck with me. Hind A  Attached FileEdit, late reply. |
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Posted: 3/26/2021 5:33:40 AM EDT
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The Hind is just a mean looking helicopter. Kind of like how the F-4 Phantom was a mean looking jet.
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Posted: 3/26/2021 5:48:16 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: so? They don't trust Stinger ADA guys with M1 Abrams either, do they? "Hey, duck-hunter, have a tank. No, don't sign for it. Just take it! I'm sure you'll figure it out. There isn't any reason the weapon's squad of a light infantry platoon can't be issued stingers. They are easier to use than Javelins, which isn't exactly rocket surgery. |
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Posted: 3/26/2021 6:31:12 AM EDT
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What's the effective range of canister rounds out of an abrams? Could it be like skeet shooting?
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Posted: 3/26/2021 6:34:31 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: That was the fakest looking Hind ever. Yeah, like Airwolf/Blue Thunder fake....but my teenage self still thought it was cool as hell. |
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Posted: 3/26/2021 6:36:04 AM EDT
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Russia has the ugliest helicopters, except the mi28
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Posted: 3/26/2021 6:39:02 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Why do people feel compelled to put a shitty music track to military equipment and firearms videos? I have no idea what a Hind sounds like from this vid. I prefer to hear turbines and rotor noise. I don’t know, but I’d be profoundly grateful if they’d stop. |
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Posted: 3/26/2021 6:54:16 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: If you were seeing rotary-wing aircraft anywhere near the front lines in a Cold War-era WW3, it means that an armistice was signed. |
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Posted: 3/26/2021 6:56:45 AM EDT
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Do I have a Rambo II RPG or a Red Dawn RPG?
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Posted: 3/26/2021 7:05:11 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Pretty much.... between being slimed or irradiated within the first few minutes, nothing was going to fly anywhere, anytime anyways. |
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Posted: 3/26/2021 7:33:21 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Pretty much.... between being slimed or irradiated within the first few minutes, nothing was going to fly anywhere, anytime anyways. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: If you were seeing rotary-wing aircraft anywhere near the front lines in a Cold War-era WW3, it means that an armistice was signed. The Russians planned on fighting on a contaminated battlefield,it’s why the BMP was invented and ubiquitous. The Hind,just like armored vehicles,has an over pressure system. There is an NBC reconnaissance version even,which is why there are Hinds seemingly out of place in Chernobyl vehicle graveyards. They used other platforms as well but the Hind was a faster much more survivable way to go sniffing. There would have been helicopters everywhere in WW3. “F-15s would have just shot them all down” is simply unrealistic,fighters would have been way too busy doing other things than to be down in the weeds looking for helicopters. This is why the Germans specifically dual tasked their Alpha Jet trainers for anti-helicopter fighting if war broke out. Conversely the US wouldn’t have spent so much time and money developing the Apache if it thought it would have been useless on a Cold War battlefield. |
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Posted: 3/26/2021 7:57:30 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The Russians planned on fighting on a contaminated battlefield,it's why the BMP was invented and ubiquitous. The Hind,just like armored vehicles,has an over pressure system. There is an NBC reconnaissance version even,which is why there are Hinds seemingly out of place in Chernobyl vehicle graveyards. They used other platforms as well but the Hind was a faster much more survivable way to go sniffing. There would have been helicopters everywhere in WW3. "F-15s would have just shot them all down" is simply unrealistic,fighters would have been way too busy doing other things than to be down in the weeds looking for helicopters. This is why the Germans specifically dual tasked their Alpha Jet trainers for anti-helicopter fighting if war broke out. Conversely the US wouldn't have spent so much time and money developing the Apache if it thought it would have been useless on a Cold War battlefield. |
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Posted: 3/26/2021 8:19:00 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Planner thought WWIII would be like WWII with NBC. Just like planners thought that WWI would be over by Christmas. WWIII was going Chemical by Ivan as a first strike and that would have meant a Nuclear response by NATO. No ifs, ands, or buts. The ideas of a non-nuclear WWIII is laughable. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: The Russians planned on fighting on a contaminated battlefield,it's why the BMP was invented and ubiquitous. The Hind,just like armored vehicles,has an over pressure system. There is an NBC reconnaissance version even,which is why there are Hinds seemingly out of place in Chernobyl vehicle graveyards. They used other platforms as well but the Hind was a faster much more survivable way to go sniffing. There would have been helicopters everywhere in WW3. "F-15s would have just shot them all down" is simply unrealistic,fighters would have been way too busy doing other things than to be down in the weeds looking for helicopters. This is why the Germans specifically dual tasked their Alpha Jet trainers for anti-helicopter fighting if war broke out. Conversely the US wouldn't have spent so much time and money developing the Apache if it thought it would have been useless on a Cold War battlefield. I'm sure you are basing this on hours of research of US and Soviet era documents. |
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Posted: 3/26/2021 8:30:27 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: There isn't any reason the weapon's squad of a light infantry platoon can't be issued stingers. They are easier to use than Javelins, which isn't exactly rocket surgery. Honestly for the weight I’d want more missiles. |
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Posted: 3/26/2021 8:31:55 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Planner thought WWIII would be like WWII with NBC. Just like planners thought that WWI would be over by Christmas. WWIII was going Chemical by Ivan as a first strike and that would have meant a Nuclear response by NATO. No ifs, ands, or buts. The ideas of a non-nuclear WWIII is laughable. If I have to choose between your assessment and that of General was de Czege, well... |
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Posted: 3/26/2021 8:36:16 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: It was supposedly calming Soviets, again their research and their results, found that Grey or black cockpits led to pilots having an easier time falling asleep. Rumors were that they had rooms painted in different colors with a day/night cycle and normal lighting. People working in the rooms were given tasks and told to complete them, filling out forms, monitoring screens, etc. The Turquois room led to an increase in productivity, attentiveness, and/or mental endurance. |
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Posted: 3/26/2021 8:39:50 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Yeah Stingers and other MANPADS made short work of them in Afghanistan. With that said, they are tough as nails with regards to taking hits from small arms fire and crew served weapons. Their ability to carry/drop off something like 8 troops into battle is also unique in that regard for an attack helicopter. I had a declassified CIA report on an old computer that outlined it. It was a shock to the Soviets at first, but they quickly adapted with countermeasures and more defensive flying techniques pretty much immediately. The Muj cell were completely unreliable. A bunch of untrained goat farmers don't make the best MANPAD crews ya know? They we're wildly over-stating kill amounts because they figured they'd get more support from the west. For example, one ISI backed cell was claiming 1-2 kills a day over a period of months, which obviously had no basis in reality. The report found that HMGs were the biggest killers of Soviet helicopters, far more than anything else. |
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