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Posted: 2/14/2020 7:35:15 PM EDT

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Does it make me gay if I think the FA18 is moar sex?

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Nope. The F/A-18 is still my favorite.

Posted: 2/14/2020 7:36:51 PM EDT

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The Hornet is sexy but the F-16 is a smashing success of a plane.

Phantoms have a lot more kills of course but they also got shot down quite a bit.

Posted: 2/14/2020 7:37:43 PM EDT

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the F-16 is the greatest.

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Well, you didn't post a picture of one.

Posted: 2/14/2020 7:39:54 PM EDT

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What is the main role of the 16 vs the 15? I want to say the 15 is our dogfighter.

Posted: 2/14/2020 7:42:16 PM EDT

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I am not sure about your argument. The F-86 had more units produced and more countries buying it but the latter is close and about to eclipse the F-86 in terms of countries utilizing it. And there are less fighters in service in general than in the 1950s and 1960s. And the F-16 is still selling,

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Define successful and comparison to other fighter jets? There have been many more jets made with more air and air kills (not ratio) than the F-16 just to name one variable.

There are too may variables. It is a very successful jet fighter. But you have define successful in comparison to others.

The F-4 Phantom has the most air to air kills of supersonic jets but not at the kill ratio of the F-16.

The F-86 sabre has the most air to air kills of any jet.

I am not sure about your argument. The F-86 had more units produced and more countries buying it but the latter is close and about to eclipse the F-86 in terms of countries utilizing it. And there are less fighters in service in general than in the 1950s and 1960s. And the F-16 is still selling,

he's talking about kill's and kill ratios. If we make 10 million copies of a jet, and they all get shot down while not shooting down a single opposing aircraft would it be the most successful? I sure dont think so.

Posted: 2/14/2020 7:44:41 PM EDT

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Since the F-16 first flew 16 years after the F-4, one would expect it to be superior.

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The F16 is also a “boomer” plane

Makes me sad ?? when I think about the future of America being left in the hands of people who think like that .

Posted: 2/14/2020 7:45:15 PM EDT

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That is a bad ass looking Mig 21 !

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MIG21 the other not as cool not as capable fighter .

Posted: 2/14/2020 7:54:58 PM EDT

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Fantastic airplane.

Posted: 2/14/2020 8:16:30 PM EDT

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There were over 11,000 MiG 21 produced, plus 2400 Chinese Chengdu J-7 copies.
Close to triple the number of F-16's
I guess it depends on your definition of success.

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When the Communist State is directing the majority of its industry and economy to building tools of war at the expense of consumer goods and a happy citizenry. Yeah, more MiGs were made.

Posted: 2/14/2020 8:19:13 PM EDT

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MIG21 the other not as cool not as capable fighter .

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The Mig-21 has killed an F-16 in combat.
Happened last year in combat between India & Pakistan.
I posted the link on the first page.

Posted: 2/14/2020 8:22:49 PM EDT

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Well, you didn't post a picture of one.

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its winking at you

Posted: 2/14/2020 8:24:42 PM EDT

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@bullf-16

Got any thoughts ?

Posted: 2/14/2020 8:30:23 PM EDT

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It was may favorite plane, also my favorite incentive ride - Zaragosa, Spain, 1989, tail # 84-1326. My friend and I got rides after we tried to get Capt Dave Wilmot out of his jet when it had crashed and was burning. He was stuck inside.

Capt Wilmot's plane at Hahn. The damage on the left leading edge was from taking out the light poles before the runway threshold. The cockpit snapping like that had sheared the SMDC lines so the canopy could not jettison.

My ride. I'm in the back seat, obviously. Empty barf bag too.

I'm on the left

Day 1, Gulf War. Our squadron jet painted up

Me with some Mk20 Rockeyes

Mk84s all the way across. I can't remember what fuze we put in them, but they detonated 15 feet above the ground

Posted: 2/14/2020 8:31:04 PM EDT

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F-16 is one sexy looking bird. They never seem to get old, and age like fine wine.

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Indeed, its beauty never fades.

Posted: 2/14/2020 8:36:49 PM EDT

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No the ME 109 was not a jet , you are thinnking of an ME262 .

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The ME109 jet?

No the ME 109 was not a jet , you are thinnking of an ME262 .

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OP if you are going by production numbers the mig 21 & Me 109 are the most successful

Posted: 2/14/2020 8:47:00 PM EDT

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Define successful and comparison to other fighter jets? There have been many more jets made with more air and air kills (not ratio) than the F-16 just to name one variable.

There are too may variables. It is a very successful jet fighter. But you have define successful in comparison to others.

The F-4 Phantom has the most air to air kills of supersonic jets but not at the kill ratio of the F-16.

The F-86 sabre has the most air to air kills of any jet.

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Posted: 2/14/2020 8:51:46 PM EDT

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Love the F16. A few years ago I was finishing an oil change, glanced outside and saw a bald eagle fly over the loading dock-8 feet off the ground, probably 40 feet from me. Flew to a power pole outside the parking lot and just before it left I heard jets flying over...loudly. Looked up and saw a pair of F16s heading south. Definitely an "America! Fuck yeah!" moment, even if they were two unarmed National Guard planes travelling from unit to unit.

Posted: 2/14/2020 9:00:09 PM EDT

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Never been a phan.

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heheh

Posted: 2/14/2020 9:21:48 PM EDT

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@bullf-16

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None Greasy but thanks for the mention. Today is Valentines Day and two years ago i was in intensive care with Regina looking at all the fucked up tubes ran down her throat. At least she was with her kids and all her students that day. 19 Feb is gonna suck worse. What the fuck ever.

Last thing I give a shit about is a fighter thread in GD. Though they usually are fun. Not for a while here.

Thanks for thinking of me brother. Kittehs are more awesome than ever...they bring joy.

My boy is invited to the Arnold Invitational in Columbus Oh to compete in the squat challenge. He did 430 x 14 reps two days ago in preparation. The competition is twice your body weight for reps. His goal is to be 205lbs at weight in and do 410lbs 18 or so reps. Insane. My Regina did good with her two kids.

Too depressed lately to even hog hunt...how sad is that.

Posted: 2/14/2020 9:25:46 PM EDT

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Define successful and comparison to other fighter jets? There have been many more jets made with more air and air kills (not ratio) than the F-16 just to name one variable.

There are too may variables. It is a very successful jet fighter. But you have define successful in comparison to others.

The F-4 Phantom has the most air to air kills of supersonic jets but not at the kill ratio of the F-16.

The F-86 sabre has the most air to air kills of any jet.

Not sure what's wrong with this post. I would say that a case could be made for either the F-4 or F-86 since the F-16 has never been tested in a "true" air war with a near peer enemy like the Vietnamese or Norks.

Posted: 2/14/2020 9:36:09 PM EDT

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Selling and giving away a bunch of monkey model export versions to 2nd rate air forces around the globe doesn't make it better than the 15. Everything the 16 does, the 15 does better.

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I agree. My definition of “best fighter” would be which one would an opponent be most hesitant to engage. My money would be on the F-15 winning that bet since aviation started. In other words, has any fighter been as totally dominate in the skies and for so long as the F-15?

Even it on the ground the 15 looks like a hungry predator.

Posted: 2/14/2020 9:49:43 PM EDT

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You have to have to flown it in combat to shit on the Viper. What is your experience in the so called "lawn dart" just fucking curious.

It took care of me and my family and the USA. Im in a shitty mood, apoligise in advance

Jim

Posted: 2/14/2020 9:55:11 PM EDT

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Has the Air Force given an F-16 a "Colonial Viper" paint scheme?

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Not that I could find.

Posted: 2/14/2020 9:58:25 PM EDT

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The ME109 jet?

No the ME 109 was not a jet , you are thinnking of an ME262 .

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OP if you are going by production numbers the mig 21 & Me 109 are the most successful

Silly Boy , I was answering the jet question , thanks anyway .

Semper Fi !

Posted: 2/14/2020 9:59:08 PM EDT

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This should be an F-15 thread.

Posted: 2/14/2020 10:01:48 PM EDT

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Does it make me gay if I think the FA18 is moar sex?

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you are a bona fide faggot

Posted: 2/14/2020 10:02:01 PM EDT

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The Mig-21 has killed an F-16 in combat.
Happened last year in combat between India & Pakistan.
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Gee a F16 , you do realize the F16 has a substantially greater combat record right ?

Not as good as the F4 but it’s still a really good combat record

Posted: 2/14/2020 10:03:51 PM EDT

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What is the main role of the 16 vs the 15? I want to say the 15 is our dogfighter.

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Que the "Wrong" Trump" meme. The Eagle's fortay is BVR. Merge with a Viper and the Eagle is hurting .

Posted: 2/14/2020 10:04:22 PM EDT

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They have always been my favorite cause they look so sweet.

Posted: 2/14/2020 10:05:23 PM EDT

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MIG21 the other not as cool not as capable fighter .

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We now have Romanian trainees here at ENJJPT. They are all going to the Fishbed after graduation. It is a fukking cool jet.

Posted: 2/14/2020 10:05:46 PM EDT

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'15 & '16 were the most form follows function birds ever built (with a nod to yhe SR71 & B1B). Not much stealth. Lots of turn and burn.

We should have used up all the earths resources building zillions of them.

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The Air Force's pen is hovering over the contract to buy F-15 EX airplanes.

And the F-18 is not going out of production any time soon.

Posted: 2/14/2020 10:10:22 PM EDT

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This should be an F-15 thread.

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It wins substantial awesome points for being able to stay in the air with an entire wing sheared off.

Posted: 2/14/2020 10:10:45 PM EDT

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Some think so

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Thanks for posting that

legendary music and video

Posted: 2/14/2020 10:11:49 PM EDT

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There were over 11,000 MiG 21 produced, plus 2400 Chinese Chengdu J-7 copies.
Close to triple the number of F-16's
I guess it depends on your definition of success.

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LOL

awesome

Posted: 2/14/2020 10:12:22 PM EDT

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Does it make me gay if I think the FA18 is moar sex?

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Nasty, nasty things.

Posted: 2/14/2020 10:13:05 PM EDT

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Oh....to employ both working America's business.... better days for sure. Or maybe not such better days...

Posted: 2/14/2020 10:14:06 PM EDT

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Latest versions are looking a bit chonky.

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But they still get the job done.

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This.

Posted: 2/14/2020 10:14:36 PM EDT

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Damn you @GreasyEasy

now my brain is itching!!!!!

Posted: 2/14/2020 10:23:02 PM EDT

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Think good thoughts Bullf-16.

Posted: 2/14/2020 10:23:30 PM EDT

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It was may favorite plane, also my favorite incentive ride - Zaragosa, Spain, 1989, tail # 84-1326. My friend and I got rides after we tried to get Capt Dave Wilmot out of his jet when it had crashed and was burning. He was stuck inside.

Capt Wilmot's plane at Hahn. The damage on the left leading edge was from taking out the light poles before the runway threshold. The cockpit snapping like that had sheared the SMDC lines so the canopy could not jettison.
https://i.imgur.com/FdCAX4P.jpg

My ride. I'm in the back seat, obviously. Empty barf bag too.
https://i.imgur.com/nZ2oRW7l.jpg

I'm on the left
https://i.imgur.com/fpMSDlRl.jpg

Day 1, Gulf War. Our squadron jet painted up
https://i.imgur.com/dfaAZz0l.jpg

Me with some Mk20 Rockeyes
https://i.imgur.com/ODTCFool.jpg

Mk84s all the way across. I can't remember what fuze we put in them, but they detonated 15 feet above the ground
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Thank you.

Posted: 2/14/2020 10:28:03 PM EDT

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I call it Faith man! Thanks and always do. But sometimes I wallow in crap.

Posted: 2/14/2020 10:28:57 PM EDT

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Oh....to employ both working America's business.... better days for sure. Or maybe not such better days...

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Better days are the ones you have!

Posted: 2/14/2020 10:29:48 PM EDT

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None Greasy but thanks for the mention. Today is Valentines Day and two years ago i was in intensive care with Regina looking at all the fucked up tubes ran down her throat. At least she was with her kids and all her students that day. 19 Feb is gonna suck worse. What the fuck ever.

Last thing I give a shit about is a fighter thread in GD. Though they usually are fun. Not for a while here.

Thanks for thinking of me brother. Kittehs are more awesome than ever...they bring joy.

My boy is invited to the Arnold Invitational in Columbus Oh to compete in the squat challenge. He did 430 x 14 reps two days ago in preparation. The competition is twice your body weight for reps. His goal is to be 205lbs at weight in and do 410lbs 18 or so reps. Insane. My Regina did good with her two kids.

Too depressed lately to even hog hunt...how sad is that.

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@bullf-16

Got any thoughts ?

None Greasy but thanks for the mention. Today is Valentines Day and two years ago i was in intensive care with Regina looking at all the fucked up tubes ran down her throat. At least she was with her kids and all her students that day. 19 Feb is gonna suck worse. What the fuck ever.

Last thing I give a shit about is a fighter thread in GD. Though they usually are fun. Not for a while here.

Thanks for thinking of me brother. Kittehs are more awesome than ever...they bring joy.

My boy is invited to the Arnold Invitational in Columbus Oh to compete in the squat challenge. He did 430 x 14 reps two days ago in preparation. The competition is twice your body weight for reps. His goal is to be 205lbs at weight in and do 410lbs 18 or so reps. Insane. My Regina did good with her two kids.

Too depressed lately to even hog hunt...how sad is that.

I will be thinking about you Bull.

take care of yourself brother.

Posted: 2/14/2020 10:53:15 PM EDT

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This should be an F-15 thread.

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The first time I saw one was at Luke AFB in '76 or '77. I was on the tarmac in front of some hangars when the sound of a jet at full tilt came rolling into view. It left the runway and immediately leveled for a second, then went into an unrestricted climb. Jaw dropping.

Posted: 2/14/2020 10:54:21 PM EDT

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Does it make me gay if I think the FA18 is moar sex?

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No, F18 is sexier.

Posted: 2/14/2020 10:56:10 PM EDT

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I would have thought the F-5E Tiger II sold more but the F-16 series is still in production.

EDIT - Wiki only says a little over 2,000 F-5s were made, I would have thought it was a lot more as many air forces flew them

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The F4 served more and more were made than the F5, and a guess the F16 blows both out of the water. The other popular old school airframe was the F104, but again, the Viper wins by miles.

Posted: 2/14/2020 10:56:59 PM EDT

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Cancer stricken F-16 is best F-16.

I don’t know why but the F-16 with the Dorsal Spine and CFTs and all the other electro optical and EW shit hanging off it is so sexy.

It’s not sleek by any means but she looks so mean.

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Yeah, because sensors and BVR is where its at.