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Its to late for the boots, save your watch!
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View Quote That's a fun watch! Love how that one big building was split in half and each side fell sideways. Looks like they're still busy at it this morning on the border cam. ![]() |
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Uh oh our camera building may be in danger now. They've hit the building in front on lower right.
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Originally Posted By Rebel31: Oh they do. No doubt about it. They will NEVER blame Hamas for whats happening right now. Muslims are HUGE hypocrites. And they know the current US president is sympathetic to them. The dynamic has changed as far as US support to Israel as long as a D is in the WH. 20 years ago even a Democrat would have given Israel the blessing to go full send on Gaza under the same circumstances. Now democrats give billions and billions to Iran while taking their proxy groups off terror watch lists. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By Rebel31: Originally Posted By michigan66: Originally Posted By Paraflare: Originally Posted By TripleC: Yall see this one?
Am I missing something? Are these missiles not explosive or is this a dud? No explosion, but definitely messed up that guy. That explains all the screeching on the live cam. Wonder if they still think it was cool to parade through the streets with captive and dead Israelis... Oh they do. No doubt about it. They will NEVER blame Hamas for whats happening right now. Muslims are HUGE hypocrites. And they know the current US president is sympathetic to them. The dynamic has changed as far as US support to Israel as long as a D is in the WH. 20 years ago even a Democrat would have given Israel the blessing to go full send on Gaza under the same circumstances. Now democrats give billions and billions to Iran while taking their proxy groups off terror watch lists. There are a lot more Arabs in the US now and they have been buying more and more political power. They have bought their way to immunity after 9/11, where the hijackers were Saudis. That saudi oil money is driving this more and more. Yet the US is trying desperately to appease the Iranians. Playing both sides for graft. The same is happening with Israel, play both dides for profit. So, everyone is dumping money in politician pockets, and our tax money goes to our enemies. |
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“There are more things in Heaven and Earth, Horatio, than are dreamt of in your philosophy”.
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Originally Posted By BM1455:
View Quote Well, that's unfortunate. Hopefully this isn't a spicy end of the year, but more and more it appears to be getting worse. All it'll take is a spark. |
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Hard drugs, guns, and nuclear stuff does not mix to well together. - R_Fury
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Originally Posted By Mike_314: "prolonging Gaza operations will drive more civilians to terrorism" Almost all of them are terrorists or supporters, what's a few more. Brown is just another one who seems more concerned with the fate of America's enemies than our allies. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By Mike_314: "prolonging Gaza operations will drive more civilians to terrorism" Almost all of them are terrorists or supporters, what's a few more. Brown is just another one who seems more concerned with the fate of America's enemies than our allies. Are there any General Officers in the US Military that are worth a shit any more? |
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Haaretz: What Hamas' Meticulous Battle Plan for Kibbutz Nir Oz Looked Like
Documents left behind by Hamas in Kibbutz Nir Oz – a quarter of whose inhabitants were murdered or abducted – shows the high level of intelligence aquired by the terrorist organization. The IDF, which invested billions on technology and physical obstacles, failed to notice Highpoints: Hamas was able to collect the information and formulate the operational orders and share it with thousands of its men, without losing the element of surprise. The aerial photographs reveal that the main points of the operational order were even set forth in written form, and included such graphic elements as arrows and reference points; indeed, the precise plans were worked out using digital programs and were sent for printing. All this happened under the nose of the vaunted Unit 8200 and Shin Bet. One aerial photograph that was found lying on the ground in the kibbutz, accompanied by text and a diagram, delineates the structure of the force that invaded the kibbutz and the division of its areas among the different sub-groups within the force. The operational plan divided Kibbutz Nir Oz into two sectors: northern and southern. On the map, the northern sector was colored green, the southern was shaded in red. A “group” of terrorists was assigned to each sector – the size of the groups is not specified on the document – with each group divided into two teams. The “mode of invasion” of the kibbutz was elaborated at the bottom of the document: “Group 1 will move via Route 133 as far as Route 299 and will cross over via the fence that is southwest of the kibbutz, where it will split into two teams for a raid on the population from the southwest.” As for “Group 2,” it “will move via Route 133 and then 299, and will split into two teams for a raid on the population from the northwest.” The route numbers here are part of Hamas’ internal code, in the same way that the IDF uses codenames for roads on its maps. The Hamas documents added, “The invasion will take place via the fence of the kibbutz and not by way of the gates opposite the targets, which are the population concentrations. . “The areas in red,” the text states, refer to places “where it is expected that residents will be at the time the mission is executed.” The authors of the order anticipated that the residents of the kibbutz “will automatically evacuate the regions of the gardens, the farms [apparently referring to the field crops], the factories and all the public areas, should it happen that the time of the mission’s execution coincides with working hours.” Ten different locations in the kibbutz are marked on the Hamas map. The significance of these markers isn’t entirely clear, though the text at the bottom of the page – “targets in the kibbutz” – may refer to them. The “targets” include “population concentrations, shelters, the security secretariat” and “the gates.” An examination, with the aid of a kibbutz member, of the places marked on the map reveals that they designate, among other things, a playground, an open space facing the kibbutz dining hall and a bus stop – in other words, what might have been locations of “population concentrations” on a regular weekday. Also marked are the kibbutz’s emergency command center – a target that might correspond to what’s listed as the “security secretariat” – and also a position close to the home of the community’s head of security, Shachar Butler. Hamas possessed intelligence about the location of the homes of the security chiefs in the different kibbutzim and aimed to strike at them at the start of each the attack. The material described in this article reveals Hamas to be well-organized, with an intelligence arm that not only collects information but also doesn’t leak what it knows. View Quote Complete article: Click To View Spoiler What Hamas' meticulous battle plan for Kibbutz Nir Oz looked like Documents left behind by Hamas in Kibbutz Nir Oz – a quarter of whose inhabitants were murdered or abducted – shows the high level of intelligence aquired by the terrorist organization. The IDF, which invested billions on technology and physical obstacles, failed to notice Nov 9, 2023 11:39 pm IST The major difference between the massacre in Kibbutz Nir Oz and the atrocities that Hamas perpetrated in the other communities of the Gaza Envelope – the kibbutzim, moshavim and towns adjacent to the Gaza Strip – lies in the conditions under which the terrorists left the kibbutz on that Black Saturday. Kibbutz members who were there relate that the gunfire and the talk in Arabic that they were able to hear from their besieged safe rooms stopped about an hour before the Israel Defense Forces arrived on the scene. According to people who examined the footage from the security cameras of the kibbutz, the terrorists even had time to collect their dead, apart from one body that was exceptionally heavy and was left lying on the green grass of the kibbutz. Still, even though the terrorists in Nir Oz were not subjected to hot pursuit by the IDF, there was one item they forgot at the scene: a group of aerial photographs accompanied by an abridged version of the operational order for the massacre that Hamas unleashed against the kibbutz, which left about 100 of its members either dead or in captivity. The documents left behind by the terrorists are instructive about the orderliness of the operation, the degree of the planning that went into and the extent of the intelligence information in the possession of Hamas. They also suggest that the October 7 attack was not necessarily planned to take place on that day. One aerial photograph that was found lying on the ground in the kibbutz, accompanied by text and a diagram, delineates the structure of the force that invaded the kibbutz and the division of its areas among the different sub-groups within the force. The operational plan divided Kibbutz Nir Oz into two sectors: northern and southern. On the map, the northern sector was colored green, the southern was shaded in red. A “group” of terrorists was assigned to each sector – the size of the groups is not specified on the document – with each group divided into two teams. The “mode of invasion” of the kibbutz was elaborated at the bottom of the document: “Group 1 will move via Route 133 as far as Route 299 and will cross over via the fence that is southwest of the kibbutz, where it will split into two teams for a raid on the population from the southwest.” As for “Group 2,” it “will move via Route 133 and then 299, and will split into two teams for a raid on the population from the northwest.” The route numbers here are part of Hamas’ internal code, in the same way that the IDF uses codenames for roads on its maps. The Hamas documents added, “The invasion will take place via the fence of the kibbutz and not by way of the gates opposite the targets, which are the population concentrations.” The documents apparently belonged to a member of Group 1, as the text refers in detail to the area that was assigned to that squad, the red territory. “The areas in red,” the text states, refer to places “where it is expected that residents will be at the time the mission is executed.” The authors of the order anticipated that the residents of the kibbutz “will automatically evacuate the regions of the gardens, the farms [apparently referring to the field crops], the factories and all the public areas, should it happen that the time of the mission’s execution coincides with working hours.” Clearly, whoever drew up the operational order did not know that the attack would end up taking place on a Shabbat and on the festival of Simhat Torah, when most workplaces would be empty. Accordingly, the author of the document also did not anticipate the scenario that unfolded in real time: Most of the residents of the kibbutz were at home on the morning of the incursion, and instead of running through the public areas they rushed to their safe rooms. As recounted by survivors, the terrorists spared no effort to force them out of those rooms. Many houses were set ablaze and when those inside tried to escape the flames they were shot, while others were seized alive and taken to Gaza as captives. Horrifically, a number of charred bodies were found in kibbutz homes. Most of those who survived the onslaught did so because they hid themselves well in the secure spaces until the attack ended, some of them, to their good fortune, in houses that the terrorists did not attack, for one reason or another. Paint by dots Ten different locations in the kibbutz are marked on the Hamas map. The significance of these markers isn’t entirely clear, though the text at the bottom of the page – “targets in the kibbutz” – may refer to them. The “targets” include “population concentrations, shelters, the security secretariat” and “the gates.” An examination, with the aid of a kibbutz member, of the places marked on the map reveals that they designate, among other things, a playground, an open space facing the kibbutz dining hall and a bus stop – in other words, what might have been locations of “population concentrations” on a regular weekday. Also marked are the kibbutz’s emergency command center – a target that might correspond to what’s listed as the “security secretariat” – and also a position close to the home of the community’s head of security, Shachar Butler. The IDF noted in press briefings that Hamas possessed intelligence about the location of the homes of the security chiefs in the different kibbutzim and aimed to strike at them at the start of each the attack. Butler in fact encountered a large group of terrorists opposite his home at the very start of the attack, at around 6:30 A.M. He tried to join up with the others in the emergency team that went into action to defend the kibbutz, but unsuccessfully. Butler is currently on reserve duty, under the authority of the army, and so could not be interviewed for this article. However, from conversations he held with several kibbutz members it emerges that he found himself in a lengthy shooting battle with the terrorists, during which he was lightly wounded by shrapnel or a bullet. Finally, he retreated, bleeding, into his home’s safe room together with his family. As a result, the emergency team had to operate during the hours of the fighting without its commander. The document the terrorists left behind states that the commander of “the a-Sadiq forces will form from them a team that will be tasked with conducting an ambush at the intersection of routes 133 and 128 [a junction close to the kibbutz, according to the maps]” and will appoint “a team to purge the Nirlat factory,” the kibbutz’s well-known paint manufacturer. The document does not specify who the “a-Sadiq forces” are. This part of the plan, too, suggests that the assumption was that the attack would take place at a time when Nirlat was operating, hence the need to “purge” it. In other words, the operation was planned to take place, or might take place, on a weekday and not on the morning of October 7. Above the radar The Hamas maps attest to a close acquaintance with the topography of the kibbutz and its surroundings, and to an impressive level of intelligence collection, in contrast to what we knew about the organization on the eve of the seventh of October. Thus, for example, at the northeast edge of the map is a site that is labeled as “Rada radar.” It’s here, an investigation by TheMarker found, that the radar of the Red Alert warning system is located. “Rada” probably refers to Rada Technologies, a company that radar devices to the security establishment for the Red Alert warning systems against mortar shells. Another pair of aerial photographs that were contained in the package left behind, show an additional route the terrorists could have used to breach the border fence and head for the kibbutz. One image, which seems to have been taken from a relatively low altitude, probably by a drone, marks the exact spot of a breach that Hamas’ operatives did indeed create in the border fence – a sophisticated technological obstacle that cost Israel billions of shekels to build. It would not be unreasonable to assume that the terrorist squads that burst through the fence at tens of other places also received a similar set of maps, and that if Israeli intelligence had intercepted that aggregate of maps in time, the October 7 disaster would have been prevented. Visits to a number of open-source Israeli map websites reveal that a large number of the coordinates on Hamas’ aerial photographs are in the public domain. The location of shelters, mobile shelters, playgrounds and other places in Nir Oz and in the other communities in the region appear in the form of pins on some of the popular map sites. Other details, such as the location of the Red Alert radar stations, can be identified by analyzing aerial photographs that are posted on other freely accessible websites. Even so, the possible use of open sources does not necessarily resolve the question of how Hamas knew that the radar system had been supplied by Rada Technologies, or the proximity of one of the markers to the home of the kibbutz’s security head. In any event, it’s clear that Hamas’ collection of information was systematic, well-organized and minutely detailed. Another aerial photograph – a close-up of the southern part of the kibbutz – contains precise markings of key locations there: the dining hall, the tennis court, the swimming pool and others. An additional aerial photo details important sites in the landscape around Nir Oz, with an orderly list referencing the locations of “shelters,” “breaches,” “balloon” (apparently an IDF observation balloon), “collection rooms,” “radars,” “communications poles,” “camera,” various gates, “signals disruption system,” “monitoring system” and more. And these are just points of interest that appear within a few square kilometers that surround the kibbutz. Under their nose Among all the communities in which people were murdered that day, the fiasco at Nir Oz was probably the most shameful of the IDF’s performances. Of the 400 or so residents of the kibbutz on the morning of October 7, more than a quarter were murdered or abducted. To date, 38 bodies from Nir Oz had been identified, and Hamas is known to be holding captive another 75 others from the kibbutz. In addition, two elderly women from the kibbutz who were taken hostage, Yocheved Lifshitz and Nurit Cooper, were released by Hamas on October 23. The terrorists encountered resistance from the nine members of the kibbutz’s defensive squad, who fought bravely and probably saved lives. But as far as is known the IDF did not wage a battle on the grounds of the kibbutz. The survivors say that at around 2 P.M. the voices of the terrorists were no longer heard, and that the army arrived only about an hour later. The material described in this article reveals Hamas to be well-organized, with an intelligence arm that not only collects information but also doesn’t leak what it knows. A ranking IDF officer was asked what happened exactly in Nir Oz, and whether the army engaged the terrorists there in battle. He was unable to answer the question. “What happened in Nir Oz is a black hole from our point of view,” he admitted. While the IDF lacks intelligence, even retrospectively, about the battle it did not fight in Kibbutz Nir Oz, the material described in this article reveals Hamas to be well-organized, with an intelligence arm that not only collects information but also doesn’t leak what it knows. Hamas was able to collect the information and formulate the operational orders and share it with thousands of its men, without losing the element of surprise. The aerial photographs reveal that the main points of the operational order were even set forth in written form, and included such graphic elements as arrows and reference points; indeed, the precise plans were worked out using digital programs and were sent for printing. All this happened under the nose of the vaunted Unit 8200 and Shin Bet. The Gaza terrorists showed one of the world’s leading cyber powers how it’s done. ![]() ![]() ![]() |
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"A dying culture invariably exhibits personal rudeness. Bad manners. Lack of consideration for others in minor matters. A loss of politeness, of gentle manners, is more significant than is a riot."
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blue RPG's? I want one.
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Vid:
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God's grace is not cheap; it's free.
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Looks like the IDF just fired one of those funny super slow looking missiles on the Gaza feed. Looks like it came from an air asset and it almost looks like it just meanders on in loke a drone might but it has a rocked like smoke trail. What are those things?
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Originally Posted By Mike_314: "prolonging Gaza operations will drive more civilians to terrorism" Almost all of them are terrorists or supporters, what's a few more. Brown is just another one who seems more concerned with the fate of America's enemies than our allies. View Quote Right - as compared to WHAT exactly? (Insert many videos of Palestinian children being indoctrinated to violence right now) |
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Daddy loves you. Now go away.
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Sounds like someone's day is being fucked up! Enjoy your ugly as 72 virgins.
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Haaretz | Israel News Israel-Hamas War Day 35 | Netanyahu: Israel Will Retain Security Control Over Gaza; Two Women Wounded by Rocket Shrapnel in Tel Aviv
IDF names two soldiers killed in Gaza fighting, raising the toll of killed Israeli soldiers to 41since the Gaza ground operation began ■ IDF says it killed Hamas elite commanders who led the October 7 massacre ■ Israel's Arrow 3 completes first successful operational interception ■ Biden confirms that Israel agreed to 4-hour daily pauses in fighting in northern Gaza ■ Palestinian Islamic Jihad releases video of boy, elderly woman held hostage in Gaza ■ At least 1,300 killed in Hamas massacre, 239 hostages held in Gaza, 40 unaccounted for ■ Hamas-controlled health ministry in Gaza: Over 10,500 killed U.S. Secretary of State Blinken says 'far too many' Palestinians have died in Gaza IDF names soldier who died of wounds, Staff Sergeant Yehonatan Yitzhak Semo IDF demolishes West Bank homes of Hamas members who killed Israeli mother of three in August IDF names soldier killed in Gaza fighting as Staff Sgt. Gilad Rozenblit IDF says it attacked group in Syria that launched drone that hit Eilat school RECAP: Biden confirms daily four-hour pauses in fighting; Israel strikes in Syria Biden confirms: Israel agrees to pauses in Gaza fighting, humanitarian corridors Israel's Arrow 3 makes first operational missile interception View Quote |
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"A dying culture invariably exhibits personal rudeness. Bad manners. Lack of consideration for others in minor matters. A loss of politeness, of gentle manners, is more significant than is a riot."
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Originally Posted By Chokey: blue RPG's? I want one.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F-k44tOXAAAEiYX?format=jpg&name=large https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F-k44tMXcAArXf0?format=jpg&name=medium View Quote |
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I wonder if some of these edge lords ever give thought to what judgement will be passed on them when their day comes? Probably won't be, "Well that guy was an asshole but he sure could vote so that excuses everything". - Bluedsteel
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Originally Posted By SoCalExile: Vid:
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Originally Posted By tnriverluver: Sounds like someone's day is being fucked up! Enjoy your ugly as 72 virgins. ![]() View Quote ![]() |
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God's grace is not cheap; it's free.
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Originally Posted By SoCalExile: Vid:
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Hard drugs, guns, and nuclear stuff does not mix to well together. - R_Fury
Masturbation is a valid option - Naamah La liberté consiste à ne dépendre que des lois. - Voltaire R.I.P. tnsparky |
How do they know thar the virgins are women and not men, or wild boars, or cattle?
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Originally Posted By Sailboat: Why do they have blue flexible pipe/tube hose clamped to the RPGs? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By Sailboat: Originally Posted By Chokey: blue RPG's? I want one.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F-k44tOXAAAEiYX?format=jpg&name=large https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F-k44tMXcAArXf0?format=jpg&name=medium If it was US gear, blue would denote training |
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Originally Posted By Hunter8282: Originally Posted By SoCalExile: Vid:
WTF! ![]() Not much different from the incident earlier this week. Hamas claimed Israel conducted an airstrike on a roadway with civilians fleeing. Problem was there was not enough destruction for it to have been an airstrike, and the dead looked to be shot with small arms. Hamas will absolutely kill their own people, trying to escape, and then make a video blaming the Israelis. |
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Hard drugs, guns, and nuclear stuff does not mix to well together. - R_Fury
Masturbation is a valid option - Naamah La liberté consiste à ne dépendre que des lois. - Voltaire R.I.P. tnsparky |
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Originally Posted By CarmelBytheSea: https://www.timesofisrael.com/new-top-american-general-says-israeli-goal-of-toppling-hamas-a-pretty-large-order/amp/ https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/459941/IMG_8174_jpeg-3022188.JPG View Quote "US Joint Chiefs of Staff chairman Gen. Charles Q. Brown, asked whether he is concerned that the rapidly climbing non-combatant death toll in Israel’s war against Hamas will lead Palestinian civilians to turn to terror, responded, “Yes, very much so." He sounds like BHO, I think that was his argument too. But that ship sailed long ago when the residents of Gaza voted for a government comprised of Hamas terrorists whose entire reason for existence is the elimination of Israel. What's the saying, "elections have consequences"? Well, so does murder, rape and kidnapping. The Biden administration is at least consistent, they are consistently chickenshit. |
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Originally Posted By BM1455: Looks like the IDF just fired one of those funny super slow looking missiles on the Gaza feed. Looks like it came from an air asset and it almost looks like it just meanders on in loke a drone might but it has a rocked like smoke trail. What are those things? View Quote The IDF have a few options, it could be a loitering munition. Could be one of the SPIKE variants of missiles, or Delilah. https://www.airforce-technology.com/projects/delilah-loitering-munition-israel/?cf-view ![]() ![]() Failed To Load Title |
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It's not stupid, it's advanced!!
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No resupply for you.
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It's not stupid, it's advanced!!
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Originally Posted By Chokey: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F-k44tOXAAAEiYX?format=jpg&name=large https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F-k44tMXcAArXf0?format=jpg&name=medium View Quote ETA: could be some model rocketry design. Estes is dual-use, I guess |
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Originally Posted By AlmightyTallest: No resupply for you.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F-ilkQQWYAAaK1n?format=jpg&name=large View Quote Nice straight bomb run! |
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Originally Posted By Chokey: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F-k_vBbXIAA1UKH?format=jpg&name=large View Quote ![]() Beautiful pic. Do they have an astromech droid behind the cockpit? Resh-2 Dalet-2 |
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If you are putting a lot of effort into arguing with me, you are probably really just wasting your time, sorry.
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Smoke by the hospital in Gaza. I missed seeing what caused it.
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Originally Posted By AlmightyTallest: No resupply for you.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F-ilkQQWYAAaK1n?format=jpg&name=large View Quote The craters are almost perfectly spaced an in a straight line. Typical for military operation? |
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Originally Posted By zentradi: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/14200/IDFR2_png-3022389.JPG Beautiful pic. Do they have an astromech droid behind the cockpit? Resh-2 Dalet-2 View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By zentradi: Originally Posted By Chokey: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F-k_vBbXIAA1UKH?format=jpg&name=large https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/14200/IDFR2_png-3022389.JPG Beautiful pic. Do they have an astromech droid behind the cockpit? Resh-2 Dalet-2 lol, it's a high bandwith satellite communication system. R2D2. ![]() |
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It's not stupid, it's advanced!!
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Originally Posted By Zhukov: Right - as compared to WHAT exactly? (Insert many videos of Palestinian children being indoctrinated to violence right now) View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By Zhukov: Right - as compared to WHAT exactly? (Insert many videos of Palestinian children being indoctrinated to violence right now) My reaction as well. Israel has done targeted killings from day 1. They have minimzed civilian casualties and haven't yet seen a reduction in terrorists. Netanyahu really ought to remind the US about their attitude towards civilian casualties. Remember this from 1996? Albright, the first female secretary of state in United States history, made the remarks during a 60 Minutes interview. Correspondent Lesley Stahl discussed with the then-United Nations ambassador how Iraq had been suffering from the sanctions placed on the country following 1991's Gulf War. "We have heard that half a million [Iraqi] children have died. I mean, that is more children than died in Hiroshima," Stahl said. "And, you know, is the price worth it?" "I think that is a very hard choice," Albright answered, "but the price, we think, the price is worth it." I think the number of Iraqi dead due to sanctions was inflated, but Albright didn't mention that at all. Her position was dead kids were worth the US winning in Iraq. |
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"A dying culture invariably exhibits personal rudeness. Bad manners. Lack of consideration for others in minor matters. A loss of politeness, of gentle manners, is more significant than is a riot."
Robert A. Heinlein, Friday |
Originally Posted By xd675: Might be easier to bring drilling rigs into the area where tunnels are suspected or confirmed. Drill down place a charge to hopefully collapse that part of the system. I suspect nerve agents might be the cheapest most effective weapons to use. Something persistent like VX is going to have a long period of effectiveness. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By xd675: Originally Posted By Bowtie64rcr: Originally Posted By michigan66: Originally Posted By Bowtie64rcr: Originally Posted By michigan66: Originally Posted By mojo: Like I said before: Flood the tunnels you can find with ocean water and wait. Those terrorists will have no choice but to come up. It is not feasible. There are links in this thread to manuals dealing with the subject, papers from the Modern War Institute, articles by Israeli geologists working on detecting and destroying tunnels, and interviews with IDF combat engineers in special tunnel warfare units. While some tunnels might be candidates for flooding, most aren't. The ones Egypt flooded had openings on the Egyptian side and were in a permissive environment. They were also basic smuggling tunnels and not sophisticated at all. Look at the one identified earlier--how are you going to get seawater from the coast to the opening? Who is going to guard the pumps and the pipeline you would need to get the water to the target? Getting sea water to the tunnel entrances would be pretty quick and easy. I used to provide water for well fracs off our pipeline system in ND. We would partner with other companies to hit wells we didn't hard pipe to. Typically 10" to 12" lay flat hose can be laid out quickly as they come on spools that are up to 1/8 mile between connections (5 miles is typical and some were up to 30 miles). The connectors were just big Vband clamps. With mobile pumps we could flow 3000gpm (enough to flood a football field with a foot of water every 2.5 hours). This can be done in the dead of winter in ND by keeping the water moving and blowing out the line if the water flow must stop or be shut off. One spring we had a frac during mud season and a farmer wouldn't let us run equipment / trailers on his land. We hired a heli crew to pick the hose up and lay it across his field, then walked out and installed the vbands. We left the hose there till the field dried up and spooled it back up on the reel trailer. Fixing leaks was pretty quick as well. Find the leak / tear, cut it, install new ends (they bolt together crimping the hose) and away you go. ETA: here is one line of frac water hoses (12" @ 200 psig pressure rating): https://www.hosecraftusa.com/uploadedImages/UD4%20Polyurethane%20TPU%20Layflat%20Fracking%20Water%20Hose%20submittal.pdf How much water do you think you'll need to flood 300 miles of tunnels, tunnels that were designed and built with an eye.to resisting attacks? How much manpower would you have to dedicate to protect the hardware? There might be some tunnels.that can be destroyed by flooding, but there is no one-size-fits-all solution. I am not saying this is the solution to everything, I was addressing the water aspect of your post. But to humor you, let's assume you had 300miles*5280ft/mile*4ft average width *1ft depth = 6,336,000 cubic feet required to make staying down there suck (we could add mercaptan or something to the water to make things worse). One football field is 57600 sq ft x 1 ft depth = 57600 cubic feet 6,336,000/57600 = 110 * (the previous 2.5 hours to flood a football field with 1' of water) = 275 hours / 24 hours per day = 11.5 days (with one pump and 12" hose setup). Now realistically I would probably use 4 setups total on the north and south side of Gaza, add mercaptan and color the liquid and see where it rises to surface via drone observation, etc. It wouldn't destroy the tunnels, but it would make staying down there unbearable. If the entry stopped taking water, use a submersible drone to set a charge and "frac" the tunnel to penetrate through internal doors. Might be easier to bring drilling rigs into the area where tunnels are suspected or confirmed. Drill down place a charge to hopefully collapse that part of the system. I suspect nerve agents might be the cheapest most effective weapons to use. Something persistent like VX is going to have a long period of effectiveness. The technology has been available for quite a while. Archaeologists use sonar-like systems to look for underground cavities that could be tombs or other stuff and then drill small holes that allow them to insert cameras and inspect the site before digging. |
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Originally Posted By torstin: The craters are almost perfectly spaced an in a straight line. Typical for military operation? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By torstin: Originally Posted By AlmightyTallest: No resupply for you.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F-ilkQQWYAAaK1n?format=jpg&name=large The craters are almost perfectly spaced an in a straight line. Typical for military operation? To make sure it can't be used until the craters are repaired. Professional job, they could have struck the parked aircraft if they wanted to as well. Compare with the strike in January this year. Someone knows exactly what they are doing. https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/strikes-crater-runways-in-a-puzzling-way-at-syrias-damascus-international Strikes on and around Damascus International Airport have occurred sporadically for many years now. Oftentimes, they target specific shipments and stockpiles of Iranian weapons being transferred to extremist proxy groups, like Hezbollah, as well as the Syrian government, but they have included larger target sets, as well. Putting Damascus International's southern runway out of commission is an interesting move. More puzzling is why the southern runway would be struck so heavily while the northern runway received just a single hit, and one that would not preclude the runway from use. In essence, the airport is still functional, just at reduced capacity. It's known that Iran's shipment activity usually occurs on the southernmost area of the airport, but just targeting the southern runway would not halt those operations. This is especially true if taxiways connecting the two areas were not severed, which they do not appear to be in low-resolution imagery. Still, operations could be executed in another area of the airport even if they were. |
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"A dying culture invariably exhibits personal rudeness. Bad manners. Lack of consideration for others in minor matters. A loss of politeness, of gentle manners, is more significant than is a riot."
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Originally Posted By PolarBear416: And then YouTube cut the feed They should make an exception to their ToS where there is a public interest in a major historical event View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By PolarBear416: Originally Posted By AROKIE: damn, the live vid from the hospital just showed a donkey wagon roll up with still smoking bodies on the back... ![]() And then YouTube cut the feed They should make an exception to their ToS where there is a public interest in a major historical event It has been more than established by now that YouTube (Google) and its likes only want the "history" they approve to be known. Anything else should not even exist, in the best authoritarian style that they follow. |
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Any bets on when that minaret for the mosque on the left side of the live feed in Gaza City gets pushed in? There is smoke next to it now.
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Originally Posted By DASJUDEN: If it was an R9X they'd have the missile body to show for it. It certainly wasn't a warhead equipped hellfire that's for damn sure. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By DASJUDEN: Originally Posted By TripleC: Yall see this one?
If it was an R9X they'd have the missile body to show for it. It certainly wasn't a warhead equipped hellfire that's for damn sure. |
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Originally Posted By SoCalExile: Vids:
View Quote Quite symbolic that the democrats attack who they don't like in a Museum of Tolerance event. |
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Originally Posted By hatidua: Having just had a knee replacement, I think his knee redo was faster than mine. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By hatidua: Originally Posted By TripleC: Yall see this one?
Having just had a knee replacement, I think his knee redo was faster than mine. Only 2 people screaming? Fake as fuck |
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Originally Posted By AlmightyTallest:
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In the first part of this video, IDF fighters discover a terrorist tunnel ventilation shaft and its electronic control system (SCADA) which includes battery back-up. This indicates the environmental control systems of the tunnels are centrally managed. It also shows that millions upon millions of dollars were spent on these tunnels while tens of thousands of Palestinians remained in refugee camps. In the second part, you can see how the IDF is destroying all tunnel entrances and ventilation shafts thereby trapping/burying the terrorists in them. This prevents them from the inherent risks of using "Tunnel Rats" (specialized soldiers trained to clear tunnels) to clear them except in extreme circumstances (i.e., high value targets). If the SCADA control is interconnected with others in the tunnel system, the Israelis should be able to do very interesting things by taping into it and hacking it. ![]() |
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Originally Posted By lilMAC25: Only 2 people screaming? Fake as fuck View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By lilMAC25: Originally Posted By hatidua: Originally Posted By TripleC: Yall see this one?
Having just had a knee replacement, I think his knee redo was faster than mine. Only 2 people screaming? Fake as fuck |
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"A dying culture invariably exhibits personal rudeness. Bad manners. Lack of consideration for others in minor matters. A loss of politeness, of gentle manners, is more significant than is a riot."
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