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Link Posted: 1/24/2024 5:19:47 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By WoodHeat:

And of all the places Russia might invade, Poland is last on the list. Poland would curb stomp them and they know it.


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World War 3 subforum?



LOL.  Might be too broad but they way things are going...  I would keep it to US & proxies vs. Iran a proxies.  
If China kicks off Taiwan and Russia invades Poland the WW-III thread will be great for all of about two days and we are all dead.  


I seriously doubt there would be a major nuclear exchange, especially so quickly.

And of all the places Russia might invade, Poland is last on the list. Poland would curb stomp them and they know it.




Baltics would be the easiest target. If southern Ukraine fell I could see Moldova and Romania become targets as well. At this point, I wonder if Orban would just welcome them in with open arms. No way Poland does not throw down with or without the rest of NATO in this scenario, though.
Link Posted: 1/24/2024 5:23:32 PM EDT
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Pretty much this. Isolationism of the USA always leads to war, the draft and social upheaval. Think about that when you vote. But mom’s basement dwellers and GD millionaires follow the orange God.
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Originally Posted By PolarBear416:
People who think Iran / Russia and China aren't actually out to get us...

Iran / Russia are seeking to deny us resources though military violence, controlling shipping lanes and controlling resources in places like Africa, with a long term goal of strangling us.

China is pursuing a similar strategy except more based on diplomacy and economic influence than actual military intervention, so far...

Both groups are actively using espionage to steal our technology (especially China) and disrupt our political and economic system (especially Russia).

A lot of folks are complacent thinking whatever happens overseas will have no effect on them / how bad can it get. We have enjoyed a great standard of living for a long time, and there is no reason that shouldn't continue.

But it's not guaranteed to continue. If we fail to protect our interests things like fuel shortages, sky high food prices, hunger, etc, can eventually happen to us.



Pretty much this. Isolationism of the USA always leads to war, the draft and social upheaval. Think about that when you vote. But mom’s basement dwellers and GD millionaires follow the orange God.


An irony if the main isolationist movement on the Right today is that it is basically derived from Leftist ideas and that it uses Iraq and Afghanistan as examples when those campaigns ended as they did because of the impact of the anti-war and isolationist types on domestic politics. The people opposed from the start  or later on set the stage for failure and then used the failure they helped create as a basis for opposing conflicy and embracing isolationism.
Link Posted: 1/24/2024 5:30:10 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By brass:NYT - Preparing the public for what the .gov has already decided.  There will be a pointless limited war with Yemen/Middle East (possibly terrorists on US side) after the Gaza things dies down.  Probably around election season.
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I would hope we aren't dumb enough to jump into a ground war in Yemen.  Our only objective there should be destroying or degrading the Houthi's ability to attack commercial shipping. That is doable with air and naval power. It might take some creativity and time, but that's a given.  It might also take dealing with Iran and forcing them to choose between the Houthis and their own air and naval forces.
Link Posted: 1/24/2024 5:42:56 PM EDT
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I would hope we aren't dumb enough to jump into a ground war in Yemen.  Our only objective there should be destroying or degrading the Houthi's ability to attack commercial shipping. That is doable with air and naval power. It might take some creativity and time, but that's a given.  It might also take dealing with Iran and forcing them to choose between the Houthis and their own air and naval forces.
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Originally Posted By brass:NYT - Preparing the public for what the .gov has already decided.  There will be a pointless limited war with Yemen/Middle East (possibly terrorists on US side) after the Gaza things dies down.  Probably around election season.


I would hope we aren't dumb enough to jump into a ground war in Yemen.  Our only objective there should be destroying or degrading the Houthi's ability to attack commercial shipping. That is doable with air and naval power. It might take some creativity and time, but that's a given.  It might also take dealing with Iran and forcing them to choose between the Houthis and their own air and naval forces.


We can bomb Yemen everyday for the next decade and it won't do shit to stop these attacks if Iran can just keep supplying them with more missiles.  Iran needs to be dealt with.
Link Posted: 1/24/2024 7:04:05 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By castlebravo84:We can bomb Yemen everyday for the next decade and it won't do shit to stop these attacks if Iran can just keep supplying them with more missiles.  Iran needs to be dealt with.
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I agree about hitting Iran, hence the second part of my post. But that needs to be on top of hitting the Houthis.
Link Posted: 1/24/2024 8:19:08 PM EDT
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Footage widely shared on social media showed a massive blast at Israa University, prompting the Biden administration to ask Israel for clarifications.



The IDF says the Navy identified the threat, and together with the 179th Reserve Armored Brigade, struck the operatives.



The IDF releases additional footage showing the Hamas tunnel in Khan Younis where hostages were previously held.



The sites hit by fighter jets in Markaba include a military building, observation posts, rocket launch positions, and other infrastructure belonging to Hezbollah, the IDF says.

Link Posted: 1/24/2024 8:25:14 PM EDT
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The IDF says the troops raided a Hamas site in Maghazi, where they located machinery used to build firearms in the yard of a home. Nearby, a rocket launcher was found, it says.



In Khan Younis, the IDF says Kfir soldiers operated in the Bani Suheila area, locating many weapons used by Hamas, including firearms, explosive devices, grenades, and rockets, as well as killing dozens of terror operatives.

Before fighting in Khan Younis, Kfir operated in Gaza City’s Shejaiya neighborhood, in what was the brigade’s first-ever ground maneuver.



The IDF releases an even longer video of the tunnel in southern Gaza's Khan Younis, where hostages were previously held by Hamas.



Troops of the 630th Reserve Battalion operated with combat engineers to locate and destroy Hamas “attack tunnel” shafts and other underground infrastructure on the outskirts of northern Khan Younis, the IDF says.

Link Posted: 1/24/2024 8:31:50 PM EDT
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Israel vs. Hamas in a building of Gaza:



IDF finds more Hamas terrorist infrastructure in Khan Younis:

Link Posted: 1/24/2024 8:34:15 PM EDT
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Baltics would be the easiest target. If southern Ukraine fell I could see Moldova and Romania become targets as well. At this point, I wonder if Orban would just welcome them in with open arms. No way Poland does not throw down with or without the rest of NATO in this scenario, though.
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Moldova? Moldova is already part of Russia. It's just not reflected on maps.

Link Posted: 1/24/2024 10:35:03 PM EDT
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Institute for Study of War backgrounder 24 Jan

Key Takeaways:

Northern Gaza Strip
The Israel Defense Forces (IDF) 215th Artillery Brigade (assigned to the 162nd Division) directed airstrikes to kill Palestinian fighters in the northern Gaza Strip in the past 24 hours.

Hamas fighters are reinfiltrating areas that Israeli forces cleared in the northern Gaza Strip.  The Palestinian Islamic Jihad’s (PIJ) military wing published footage on January 24 of its fighters firing mortars targeting an Israeli supply line east of Jabalia.

Central Gaza Strip
Israeli forces destroyed an underground tunnel route 1.5 kilometers from the Israeli border that connects the northern and southern Gaza Strip.

Palestinian militias did not claim any attacks targeting Israeli forces in the central Gaza Strip on January 24.

Southern Gaza Strip
Palestinian fighters defended against Israeli clearing operations in western, southern, and eastern Khan Younis on January 24.

Hamas and other Palestinian militias claimed several attacks targeting Israeli forces in western Khan Younis where Palestinian militias are continuing to execute a deliberate defense against Israeli offensive operations.  

Hamas claimed that its fighters detonated explosives that Israeli forces had planted to demolish a building in western Khan Younis.  The group conducted a similar attack on January 22 that killed 21 Israeli soldiers in the central Gaza Strip.

Political Negotiations
Israel and Hamas continued indirect talks regarding a ceasefire on January 24. Hamas demanded a total Israeli withdrawal from the Gaza Strip.

West Bank
No clashes between Israeli forces and Palestinian militias in the West Bank on January 24.

Southern Lebanon and Golan Heights
Iranian-backed militias, including Lebanese Hezbollah, conducted four attacks from southern Lebanon into northern Israel on January 24.

Iraq
The United States conducted airstrikes targeting three Kataib Hezbollah facilities in Iraq in al Qaim, Anbar Province, and Jurf al Sakhr, Babil Province, on January 23.

The US strikes targeted the 45th Popular Mobilization Forces (PMF) Brigade’s 3rd Regiment in al Qaim and the 46th and 47th PMF brigades in Jurf al Sakhr.

US Central Command reported that the strikes targeted KH's “headquarters, storage and training locations for rocket, missile, and one-way attack UAV capabilities.”  Iran uses the al Qaim-Albu Kamal border crossing to transport air defense equipment, precision-guided munitions, and other weapons into Syria.

The Islamic Resistance in Iraq—a coalition of Iran-backed Iraqi militias—claimed responsibility for three strikes on US positions in Iraq and Syria on January 24.

The Islamic Resistance in Iraq attacked US forces at Erbil International Airport and Ain al Assad Base in Iraq.  The group attacked US forces in Syria at Conoco Mission Support Site in Deir ez Zor Province.

Yemen
Houthi fighters fired three anti-ship ballistic missiles targeting two US-flagged ships transporting US military supplies through the Gulf of Aden on January 24.

CENTCOM conducted airstrikes targeting two anti-ship ballistic missiles in Houthi-controlled territory of Yemen on January 23.

CENTCOM reported that the missiles were aimed at the southern Red Sea, were prepared to fire, and posed an imminent threat to merchant vessels and the US Navy in the region.

Iran
Iranian officials discussed the Israel-Hamas war with senior Russian officials on January 24.
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Link Posted: 1/25/2024 11:13:55 AM EDT
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Haaretz | News Israel-Hamas War Day 111 | Two Drones Cross Lebanese Border Into Israel; Rocket Sirens Sound on Gaza Border Jan 25, 2024

Following report of suspicious people near Lebanon border, IDF says scans of area show no sign of infiltration ■ Palestinians report armed clashes between Israeli army, local armed forces in Jenin ■ IDF investigating UNRWA attack, says not due to IDF airstrike or artillery fire ■ International Court of Justice to issue ruling on Friday, South Africa's foreign minister expected to attend hearing ■ Israeli source say sides are far from agreeing on new hostage deal ■ American military confirms Houthis fired at U.S.-flagged ship

RECAP: Two drones cross Lebanese border into Israel; Rocket sirens sound on Gaza border

Israel Air Force attacked Hezbollah targets in the area of the Lebanese city of Tyre.  One of the targets was an airfield that included infrastructure used by Hezbollah to direct terror attacks against Israel.

Report: IDF enter West Bank city of Jenin, gunfire reported

Israel's opposition leader Yair Lapid called on Jordan on Thursday to condemn the opening of a new restaurant in the city of Kerak named "October 7" .

Indictment filed against manager of car wash in Ra'anana accused of employing two Palestinians who carried out attack in city last week

IDF: Dozens of terrorists killed in past day in Khan Yunis

Right-wing activists, family members of hostages block aid trucks from entering Gaza
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Terrorism Information Center: Documents brought back from the Gaza Strip show Hamas atrocities against Israeli civilians were part of the plan and not the work of a few rogue or unaffiliated terrorists.

According to documents located by IDF forces in the Gaza Strip and found in the possession of Hamas operatives who participated in the terrorist attack and massacre on October 7, 2023...Hamas leadership in the Gaza Strip instructed the organization’s terrorist operatives to brutalize Jews, both soldiers and civilians, while justifying such actions “in the name of Islam.”

Hamas militants were told, "know that your enemy is a disease which has no cure except beheading and removing their hearts and livers."

Training included careful preparations for attacking shelters to take hostages, stripping them and threatening to kill them while questioning them.

In Gaza City, the IDF found an after action review discussing [Hamas] operatives’ performance during a [training] exercise. Among the criticisms was this:  “No thorough operation was carried out to increase the number of hostages (number of women, children, men…),”

The captured documents are ...proof that contrary to the claims made by senior Hamas members that the “operation” targeted only military personnel, it had been planned in advance to carry out premeditated acts of violence against the civilian residents of the cities, towns and villages surrounding the Gaza Strip.
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Link Posted: 1/25/2024 11:47:39 AM EDT
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WSJ:  U.S. Secretly Alerted Iran Ahead of Islamic State Terrorist Attack

The U.S. secretly warned Iran that Islamic State was preparing to carry out the terrorist attack early this month that killed more than 80 Iranians in a pair of coordinated suicide bombings, U.S. officials said.

The confidential alert came after the U.S. acquired intelligence that Islamic State’s affiliate in Afghanistan, ISIS-Khorasan, known as ISIS-K, was plotting to attack Iran, they said.

One former U.S. official said there could be a number of reasons for Washington to warn Iran. In addition to protecting innocent civilians, such a warning might be intended to prevent Tehran from responding to the attack in a way that could create further instability in the region and potentially undermine U.S. interests.  

Other former officials said that providing such a warning might also be a way to spur dialogue on foreign policy issues.
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Link Posted: 1/25/2024 12:29:24 PM EDT
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Wall Street Journal:  Israel Builds Buffer Zone Along Gaza Border, Risking New Rift With U.S.

An Israeli soldier and members of his reserve unit worked day after day in a northern section of the Gaza Strip to create a wasteland.

Their orders were to clear a 1-kilometer-wide area along the border, the soldier said, as part of an Israeli plan to construct a security zone just inside Gaza—to which Palestinians would be barred entry.

With bulldozers and other heavy equipment, they leveled greenhouses and other structures, filled Hamas militants’ tunnel shafts and plowed under farm fields.

“Everything has been flattened,” the soldier said. “It was mostly agriculture. Now it’s a military zone, a complete no man’s land.”

According to a study by a professor at Hebrew University..the Israeli military appears to have demolished 1,072 out of 2,824 structures located one kilometer or less from the border, he said. Most of the buildings were residential.

To Israeli officials, the buffer zone is a critical security measure in their plan to demilitarize Gaza and assure Israelis that they can return safely to the towns and communities near the border that were evacuated after the Oct. 7 attack.

Israeli officials haven’t said what would happen to people who enter the zone.

Israel already had a no-go zone for Gazans near sections of the border before Oct. 7, but the restrictions weren’t always enforced.

The project is a source of growing frustration for U.S. officials, who say they first voiced their opposition to such plans shortly after the Gaza war began and have watched with growing dismay as Israel has pushed ahead anyway.
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Link Posted: 1/25/2024 9:54:34 PM EDT
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Institute for Study of War backgrounder 25 Jan

Key Takeaways:

Iraq
The United States and the Iraqi federal government will soon begin negotiations on Iraq's current security arrangement with US-led coalition forces, which could involve US forces withdrawing from Iraq. Iranian-backed Iraqi actors praised the US and Iraqi decision to begin negotiations about the status of US-led coalition forces in Iraq.

Yemen
Houthi Supreme Leader Abdulmalik al Houthi falsely claimed that Houthi attacks on maritime traffic in the Red Sea have not significantly impacted maritime trade. Abdulmalik separately reiterated the false Houthi narrative that the anti-shipping attacks have only targeted Israel-linked vessels and further claimed that the Houthis have allowed almost 5,000 non-Israel-linked vessels to freely operate in the Red Sea.

Northern Gaza Strip
Israeli forces continued to engage Palestinian fighters throughout the northern part of the strip. CTP-ISW previously assessed that Hamas and other Palestinian militias are reinfiltrating areas that Israeli forces previously cleared.

Central Gaza Strip
Palestinian Islamic Jihad and the Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine conducted a combined attack targeting an Israeli supply line. The operation marks the third claimed indirect fire attack targeting Israeli supply lines in recent days.

Southern Gaza Strip
Israeli forces continued conducting clearing operations in Khan Younis. Palestinian fighters continued conducting a deliberate defense against Israeli clearing operations in western and southern Khan Younis.

Political Negotiations
US Central Intelligence Agency Director Bill Burns will meet with the Qatari prime minister and the Egyptian and Israeli intelligence chiefs in the coming days to broker a deal for the release of hostages and a pause in fighting in the Gaza Strip.

West Bank
Israeli forces clashed with Palestinian fighter four times in the northern West Bank, primarily around Jenin and Tubas.

Southern Lebanon and Golan Heights
Iranian-backed militias, including Lebanese Hezbollah, conducted four attacks from southern Lebanon into northern Israel.

Iran
The Wall Street Journal reported that the United States secretly warned Iran that the Islamic State was preparing to conduct the January 3 terrorist attack in Kerman.
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Link Posted: 1/26/2024 1:54:24 AM EDT
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Some Gazan civilians call for the release of Israeli hostages:





Condolences for Filipino soldier killed fighting for Israel:



Funeral at Mt. Herzl for 24 soldiers killed:

Link Posted: 1/26/2024 1:59:01 AM EDT
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"Today we plant trees in blood-soaked soil in memory Saturday, October 7, 2023. We are committed to achieving the final victory. Final victory means the elimination of Hamas, the return of all our hijackers, we are not giving up on this goal."



Filipino IDF Sgt First Class Cydrick Garin laid to rest in Israel:



IDF finds another weapons cache:



New footage of IDF operations in Gaza's second largest city:

Link Posted: 1/26/2024 2:21:54 PM EDT
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Houthis fire anti-ship ballistic missile toward USS Carney (DDG 64)

On Jan. 26, at approximately 1:30 p.m. (Sanaa time), Iranian-backed Houthi militants fired one anti-ship ballistic missile from Houthi-controlled areas of Yemen toward Arleigh-Burke class destroyer USS Carney (DDG 64) in the Gulf of Aden. The missile was successfully shot down by USS Carney. There were no injuries or damage reported.
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Link Posted: 1/26/2024 3:17:45 PM EDT
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“Shocking allegations”
Were UN employees involved in Hamas terror?

Almost four months after the terrible attack on Israel by Hamas terrorists, a new, terrible suspicion arises: Were United Nations employees involved in the massacre that left more than 1,200 dead?

The UN Palestinian relief agency UNRWA says it wants to examine the possible involvement of several of its employees. UNRWA chief Philippe Lazzarini, 60, said on Friday: “I have taken the decision to immediately terminate the contracts of these employees and launch an investigation to immediately find out the truth.”

12 employees under suspicion
According to a statement, Israel had provided the aid organization with information about the alleged involvement of several employees. Lazzarini spoke of “shocking allegations” and said: “Any UNRWA staff involved in terrorist attacks will be held accountable, including through criminal prosecution.”

As the “ Jewish Insider ” portal reports, there are twelve employees who are suspected of being involved in the cruel attack. The allegations also prompted the USA to suspend payments to the aid organization until the facts were clarified.


UN Secretary General Guterres horrified
UN Secretary-General António Guterres (74) was also horrified by the news that several UNRWA employees could be involved in the terrorist attacks in Israel. He also threatened those affected with immediate dismissal and criminal consequences if the investigation revealed their involvement in the attacks.

UNRWA chief Lazzarini explains: “Anyone who betrays the core values ​​of the United Nations also betrays those we serve in Gaza, throughout the region and elsewhere in the world.” There have been more than two million people in the Gaza Strip since the war began in need of assistence.

Lazzarini did not provide details about how employees may have been involved in the terrorist attack on Israel or how many people were involved.

According to Lazzarini, the UN aid agency strongly condemns the “heinous attacks of October 7th” and calls for the release of all hostages kidnapped from Israel. According to Israeli figures, well over 100 people are still in the hands of the terrorists.

Just a month after the attack, there were serious accusations against journalists who reported on the atrocities first hand when the terror began. The accusation: They knew in advance about Hamas' cruel plans and accompanied the attacks more or less directly. Among the defendants' clients: The US news giants “New York Times” and CNN, but also news agencies such as AP and Reuters.

The revelations caused anger and indignation in Israel. Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu (74) declared at the time: “These journalists were accomplices in crimes against humanity; their actions violated professional ethics.”
Link Posted: 1/26/2024 3:24:53 PM EDT
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“Shocking allegations”
Were UN employees involved in Hamas terror?

Almost four months after the terrible attack on Israel by Hamas terrorists, a new, terrible suspicion arises: Were United Nations employees involved in the massacre that left more than 1,200 dead?

The UN Palestinian relief agency UNRWA says it wants to examine the possible involvement of several of its employees. UNRWA chief Philippe Lazzarini, 60, said on Friday: “I have taken the decision to immediately terminate the contracts of these employees and launch an investigation to immediately find out the truth.”

12 employees under suspicion
According to a statement, Israel had provided the aid organization with information about the alleged involvement of several employees. Lazzarini spoke of “shocking allegations” and said: “Any UNRWA staff involved in terrorist attacks will be held accountable, including through criminal prosecution.”

As the “ Jewish Insider ” portal reports, there are twelve employees who are suspected of being involved in the cruel attack. The allegations also prompted the USA to suspend payments to the aid organization until the facts were clarified.


UN Secretary General Guterres horrified
UN Secretary-General António Guterres (74) was also horrified by the news that several UNRWA employees could be involved in the terrorist attacks in Israel. He also threatened those affected with immediate dismissal and criminal consequences if the investigation revealed their involvement in the attacks.

UNRWA chief Lazzarini explains: “Anyone who betrays the core values ​​of the United Nations also betrays those we serve in Gaza, throughout the region and elsewhere in the world.” There have been more than two million people in the Gaza Strip since the war began in need of assistence.

Lazzarini did not provide details about how employees may have been involved in the terrorist attack on Israel or how many people were involved.

According to Lazzarini, the UN aid agency strongly condemns the “heinous attacks of October 7th” and calls for the release of all hostages kidnapped from Israel. According to Israeli figures, well over 100 people are still in the hands of the terrorists.

Just a month after the attack, there were serious accusations against journalists who reported on the atrocities first hand when the terror began. The accusation: They knew in advance about Hamas' cruel plans and accompanied the attacks more or less directly. Among the defendants' clients: The US news giants “New York Times” and CNN, but also news agencies such as AP and Reuters.

The revelations caused anger and indignation in Israel. Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu (74) declared at the time: “These journalists were accomplices in crimes against humanity; their actions violated professional ethics.”
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Very interesting.  I knew a UN teacher held a hostage in his house for Hamas, didn't know about the others,
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British oil tanker "on fire" after getting hit by Houthi missile strike off Yemen.

Wonder what would happen to the Houthi’s if they caused a huge environmental disaster by sinking a oil tanker?
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British oil tanker "on fire" after getting hit by Houthi missile strike off Yemen.

Wonder what would happen to the Houthi’s if they caused a huge environmental disaster by sinking a oil tanker?
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British oil tanker "on fire" after getting hit by Houthi missile strike off Yemen.

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Maybe the Earth Liberation Front will have better luck deterring them.
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There is an Iranian missile targeting ship on the map.
We never touch it.
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There is an Iranian missile targeting ship on the map.
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Of course.  Attacking it would lead to Mayhem and Chaos.  /sarc

Fucker should have become an artificial reef before Halloween.  

One interesting thing--since we started bombing, most of the ships attacked are in the Gulf of Aden/Indian Ocean, where before most attacks were in the Red Sea.  Not sure why, would love to hear any theories.  

Here's a map tracking attacks through 15 Jan. Ships attacked in the last few days were in an area that hadn't seen many attacks previously.
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Of course.  Attacking it would lead to Mayhem and Chaos.  /sarc

Fucker should have become an artificial reef before Halloween.  

One interesting thing--since we started bombing, most of the ships attacked are in the Gulf of Aden/Indian Ocean, where before most attacks were in the Red Sea.  Not sure why, would love to hear any theories.  

Here's a map tracking attacks through 15 Jan. Ships attacked in the last few days were in an area that hadn't seen many attacks previously.
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The Iranian ship that’s now in the gulf of Aden coordinating the attacks the Houthi’s are doing was in the Red Sea when the Houthis were firing at ships there.  With out Irans ship giving guidance to these missiles the attacks would be far less effective.

The United States Government knows this and is allowing that ship to be afloat.  Now the question is why haven’t we sunk it yet and put a stop to this bullshit.

Edit:  here is a article from the wall street journal from a month ago explaining how Irans “spy” ship helps the Houthi’s target vessels.
https://www.wsj.com/world/middle-east/iranian-spy-ship-helps-houthis-direct-attacks-on-red-sea-vessels-d6f7fd40 link pass the paywall.
https://archive.ph/H0SWp
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The Iranian ship that’s now in the gulf of Aden coordinating the attacks the Houthi’s are doing was in the Red Sea when the Houthis were firing at ships there.  With out Irans ship giving guidance to these missiles the attacks would be far less effective.

The United States Government knows this and is allowing that ship to be afloat.  Now the question is why haven’t we sunk it yet and put a stop to this bullshit.
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I thought could have sworn I read where it was taken out of the area altogether.  Guess not, seeing as how it's on the map posted earlier.  

They haven't hit it because Team Brandon's #1 priority is non-escalation and his military experts--Loyd Austin and Gen Charlie Brown--are useless.  I knew Charlie when he was a Captain.  Take it from me, he's a moron.
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British oil tanker "on fire" after getting hit by Houthi missile strike off Yemen.

Wonder what would happen to the Houthi's if they caused a huge environmental disaster by sinking a oil tanker?




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Houthis fire anti-ship ballistic missile toward USS Carney (DDG 64)

On Jan. 26, at approximately 1:30 p.m. (Sanaa time), Iranian-backed Houthi militants fired one anti-ship ballistic missile from Houthi-controlled areas of Yemen toward Arleigh-Burke class destroyer USS Carney (DDG 64) in the Gulf of Aden. The missile was successfully shot down by USS Carney. There were no injuries or damage reported.

These assholes are overdue for an epic smackdown.
Link Posted: 1/26/2024 5:22:06 PM EDT
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These assholes are overdue for an epic smackdown.
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The Three Stooges--Biden, Blinken and Loyd--together with Shemp--Gen Charlie Brown think that will only cause Mayhem.
Link Posted: 1/26/2024 5:23:52 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By michigan66:

The Three Stooges--Biden, Blinken and Loyd--together with Shemp--Gen Charlie Brown think that will only cause Mayhem.
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Originally Posted By michigan66:
Originally Posted By absael:


These assholes are overdue for an epic smackdown.

The Three Stooges--Biden, Blinken and Loyd--together with Shemp--Gen Charlie Brown think that will only cause Mayhem.


It's a bit as if it is purposely mishandled.
Link Posted: 1/26/2024 5:45:45 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By michigan66:

The Three Stooges--Biden, Blinken and Loyd--together with Shemp--Gen Charlie Brown think that will only cause Mayhem.
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Originally Posted By michigan66:
Originally Posted By absael:


These assholes are overdue for an epic smackdown.

The Three Stooges--Biden, Blinken and Loyd--together with Shemp--Gen Charlie Brown think that will only cause Mayhem.
They're firing at US warships (as if hitting commercial ships wasn't bad enough).  Fuck them and the camel they rode in on.
Link Posted: 1/26/2024 8:19:46 PM EDT
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WSJ:  Houthis Attack U.S. Warship as China Urges Iran to Rein In Rebels (Article behind paywall, but full article is inside spoiler box below).

Highpoints:  
In conversations in Tehran and Beijing, Chinese officials asked their Iranian counterparts to rein in their Yemeni ally, an Iranian official and an Iranian government adviser said. Iran officials told the Chinese that they weren’t in control of the group and that turmoil in the region would end if Israel agreed to a cease-fire, the Iranians said.

China is Iran’s largest oil buyer, giving it leverage on the heavily-sanctioned Islamic Republic.

China hasn’t commented directly on its talks with Iran, but a spokesman for its foreign ministry in Beijing said Friday the country had “actively deescalated the situation, called for an end to the disturbance to civilian ships, and urged relevant parties to avoid fueling the tensions.”

Administration officials have asked Beijing to convey messages to Iran about avoiding a broader conflict in the region.

The U.S. is trying to stop the attacks by the Iranian-backed group without escalating tensions in an already volatile region. The Houthis have said their campaign will continue until Israel halts the fighting in Gaza and humanitarian aid is let in. The Houthis may be targeting U.S. Navy ships shortly after major strikes to demonstrate they haven’t been stopped, U.S. officials said.

Though eager to protect global shipping, the Biden administration has been reluctant to respond too forcefully to the Houthis lest it trigger a war in the region, in part because of the group’s backing from Tehran,

Houthi fighters overthrew the Yemeni government in 2014, leading Saudi Arabia and other Arab nations to mount a military campaign against the rebels. Months of talks between Saudi Arabia and the Houthis have produced a road map that the U.S. hopes could lead to resolution of the conflict. But those talks have since stalled.
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https://www-bild-de.translate.goog/politik/ausland/politik-ausland/israel-waren-un-mitarbeiter-am-hamas-terror-beteiligt-86923486.bild.html?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en&_x_tr_pto=wapp&_x_tr_hist=true

“Shocking allegations”
Were UN employees involved in Hamas terror?

Almost four months after the terrible attack on Israel by Hamas terrorists, a new, terrible suspicion arises: Were United Nations employees involved in the massacre that left more than 1,200 dead?

The UN Palestinian relief agency UNRWA says it wants to examine the possible involvement of several of its employees. UNRWA chief Philippe Lazzarini, 60, said on Friday: “I have taken the decision to immediately terminate the contracts of these employees and launch an investigation to immediately find out the truth.”

12 employees under suspicion
According to a statement, Israel had provided the aid organization with information about the alleged involvement of several employees. Lazzarini spoke of “shocking allegations” and said: “Any UNRWA staff involved in terrorist attacks will be held accountable, including through criminal prosecution.”

As the “ Jewish Insider ” portal reports, there are twelve employees who are suspected of being involved in the cruel attack. The allegations also prompted the USA to suspend payments to the aid organization until the facts were clarified.


UN Secretary General Guterres horrified
UN Secretary-General António Guterres (74) was also horrified by the news that several UNRWA employees could be involved in the terrorist attacks in Israel. He also threatened those affected with immediate dismissal and criminal consequences if the investigation revealed their involvement in the attacks.

UNRWA chief Lazzarini explains: “Anyone who betrays the core values ​​of the United Nations also betrays those we serve in Gaza, throughout the region and elsewhere in the world.” There have been more than two million people in the Gaza Strip since the war began in need of assistence.

Lazzarini did not provide details about how employees may have been involved in the terrorist attack on Israel or how many people were involved.

According to Lazzarini, the UN aid agency strongly condemns the “heinous attacks of October 7th” and calls for the release of all hostages kidnapped from Israel. According to Israeli figures, well over 100 people are still in the hands of the terrorists.

Just a month after the attack, there were serious accusations against journalists who reported on the atrocities first hand when the terror began. The accusation: They knew in advance about Hamas' cruel plans and accompanied the attacks more or less directly. Among the defendants' clients: The US news giants “New York Times” and CNN, but also news agencies such as AP and Reuters.

The revelations caused anger and indignation in Israel. Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu (74) declared at the time: “These journalists were accomplices in crimes against humanity; their actions violated professional ethics.”
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Lol. "Shocking."
Link Posted: 1/26/2024 8:51:56 PM EDT
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Times of Israel:  Hamas publishes new propaganda clip showing 3 young female hostages in Gaza

The Hamas terror group published a new propaganda video Friday showing signs of life from three young female hostages held in the Gaza Strip.

In edited-together clips, the five-minute-long video showed Daniella Gilboa, Karina Ariev and Doron Steinbrecher, who identified themselves and asked the Israeli government to return them home.

Hamas said the video was filmed earlier this week, although it provided no evidence to support the claim.

CIA director William Burns and Mossad chief David Barnea will meet with Qatari Prime Minister and Foreign Minister Sheikh Mohammed bin Abdulrahman Al-Thani to discuss the release of the remaining hostages taken on October 7, and a pause in fighting in the war-torn Palestinian enclave that is now in its fourth month.

Egyptian intelligence chief Abbas Kamel will also participate in the meeting, said one source. Israel’s Channel 12 reported that Shin Bet chief Ronen Bar will also be there.

L-R: Hostages Karina Ariev, Daniella Gilboa, and Doron Steinbrecher are seen in a Hamas propaganda clip published January 26, 2024.



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Hamas publishes new propaganda clip showing 3 young female hostages in Gaza

The Hamas terror group published a new propaganda video Friday showing signs of life from three young female hostages held in the Gaza Strip.

In edited-together clips, the five-minute-long video showed Daniella Gilboa, Karina Ariev and Doron Steinbrecher, who identified themselves and asked the Israeli government to return them home.

Hamas said the video was filmed earlier this week, although it provided no evidence to support the claim.

Gilboa, 19, was in touch with her family on the morning of the attack and sent her boyfriend videos that morning. When Hamas videos appeared later that day, showing three of Gilboa’s friends being taken hostage to Gaza, Gilboa’s family was able to identify her as well.

The parents of Ariev, 19, described speaking to her at 7 a.m. that morning, as she cried, describing a barrage of rockets and gunfire. “She screamed and said she loves us very much,” Karina’s mother said in a past interview. “She told us to continue our lives.” Later they found a Hamas video publicized on Telegram, in which three young women are laying down in a jeep, surrounded by men speaking in Arabic. Their daughter, Karina, was one of the three, her face wounded and bleeding.

Steinbrecher, 30, was in her Kibbutz Kfar Aza apartment when Hamas terrorists invaded the kibbutz, killing and kidnapping dozens of residents. The veterinary nurse was in her apartment in the kibbutz housing for younger, single residents, but in touch with her sister and their parents, all of whom also live on the kibbutz. At 10:30 a.m., Doron told her parents that she was scared and that the terrorists had arrived at her building. She then sent a voice message to her friends in which she said, “They’ve arrived, they have me.”

Hamas has previously issued similar videos of hostages it is holding, in what Israel says is psychological warfare.

Most Israeli media outlets do not carry the video clips themselves.

Hamas is holding 132 hostages of the 253 it abducted during its murderous October 7 attack on Israel, not all of them alive. It has intermittently released videos of hostages pleading for release in a bid to pressure Israeli into ending the war and making significant concessions for their relea

The previous such video was issued on January 15, and showed hostages Itay Svirsky, Noa Argamani and Yossi Sharabi. Israel announced a day later that Svirsky and Sharabi had been killed in Hamas captivity.

Hamas claimed that the military had targeted a building where three Israeli hostages were being held, killing two of them. Israel said this was a lie.

“The building where they were held was not a target and was not attacked by our forces,” Israel Defense Forces spokesman Rear Adm. Daniel Hagari said then.

The directors of the Mossad and the CIA were expected to meet Qatar’s prime minister in Europe in the next few days to discuss a temporary ceasefire in the Strip and a release of hostages, two officials briefed on the meeting said Thursday.

CIA director William Burns and Mossad chief David Barnea will meet with Qatari Prime Minister and Foreign Minister Sheikh Mohammed bin Abdulrahman Al-Thani to discuss the release of the remaining hostages taken on October 7, and a pause in fighting in the war-torn Palestinian enclave that is now in its fourth month.

Egyptian intelligence chief Abbas Kamel will also participate in the meeting, said one source. Israel’s Channel 12 reported that Shin Bet chief Ronen Bar will also be there.

White House national security spokesman John Kirby told reporters traveling with US President Joe Biden aboard Air Force One on Thursday that Burns “has been… involved in helping us with the hostage deal that was in place and trying to help us pursue another one,” referring specific questions to the CIA.

Israel’s war cabinet met Thursday night at the Kirya military headquarters in Tel Aviv to discuss the hostage talks. IDF hostage envoy Nitzan Alon and Prime Minister’s Office hostage coordinator Gal Hirsch were also in attendance.

Burns and Barnea previously met with Qatari and Egyptian officials to help broker a short-lived, weeklong truce in late November that saw 105 hostages freed. Efforts to secure another agreement to release the remaining hostages, among them children and women, have since faltered.

Hamas has insisted that it will release all the Israeli hostages in Gaza if Israel releases all Palestinian prisoners, and has demanded a permanent ceasefire and the complete withdrawal of Israeli forces from Gaza. The Iran-backed terror group has also been seeking guarantees that Israel will not restart the fighting after the truce, in a bid to stay in power.

Israel has rejected such demands outright.

Israel is said to have recently proposed a two-month ceasefire in exchange for a staged release of the hostages, an offer that Hamas rejected, according to Egyptian officials, but talks appear to have continued and a one-month pause was also floated this week. Under the proposal, Yahya Sinwar and other top Hamas leaders in Gaza would be allowed to relocate to other countries.

Israel has vowed to destroy Hamas’s military and governing capabilities in Gaza and leaders have routinely said fighting will not stop until that goal is achieved.

The government has faced increasing pressure in recent weeks to clinch an immediate deal for the hostages with protesters staging rallies, blocking roads, attempting to blockade aid entry into Gaza, and promising to intensify measures to disrupt public order to secure the return of their loved ones.

Channel 12 on Thursday evening cited a senior Israeli official who described the upcoming meeting in Europe as “critical” to the goal of exerting pressure on Hamas and bridging the gaps preventing a deal for the release of all the hostages.

A central, massive gap remains between Israel and Hamas, however, given that Israel is refusing to agree to a permanent ceasefire, while Hamas won’t agree to release the remaining hostages in exchange for anything less.

Channel 12 reported that Hamas’s conditions include a 10-14 day pause before it begins releasing hostages; 100 security prisoners released for every “humanitarian” hostage in the first stage of the release; hundreds of security prisoners released for every hostage in subsequent phases; and a withdrawal of all Israeli forces from the Strip as part of the deal.
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Daniella Giboa pre-7 Oct

Karina Ariev

Doron Steinbreicher
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Institute for Study of War backgrounder 26 January

Key Takeaways:

Iraq
The Islamic Resistance in Iraq released a statement rejecting the US and Iraqi decision to begin negotiations over the status of US-led coalition forces in Iraq and vowed to continue attacking US forces. The Islamic Resistance in Iraq will likely continue to attack US forces in Iraq and Syria to pressure the Mohammad Shia al Sudani administration to order the withdrawal of US forces from Iraq.

The United States and the Iraqi federal government announced on January 25 that they will soon begin negotiations on Iraq's current security arrangement with US-led coalition forces. US-led coalition forces are currently deployed in Iraq at the invitation of the Iraqi government to fight ISIS.

The Islamic Resistance in Iraq has conducted over 150 attacks targeting US forces in Iraq and Syria since the Israel-Hamas war began.

Yemen
The Houthis conducted multiple attacks on a US Navy warship and two commercial vessels in the Gulf of Aden. CENTCOM reported that the Houthis fired one anti-ship ballistic missile targeting the USS Carney. two missiles exploded within a few hundred meters of the Panama-flagged commercial tanker Achilles around the same time as the attack on the USS Carney.

Northern Gaza Strip
The Israel Defense Forces (IDF) destroyed military infrastructure and clashed with Palestinian fighters in the northern Gaza Strip. Hamas and other Palestinian fighters have contested Israeli raids in certain areas of the northern Gaza Strip throughout January 2024.

Hamas and other Palestinian fighters have contested Israeli raids in certain areas of the northern Gaza Strip throughout January 2024. Hamas’ military wing clashed with the IDF in the Sheikh Ijlin neighborhood, Gaza City.  Palestinian Islamic Jihad’s (PIJ) military wing claimed that it shot down an Israeli drone conducting intelligence activities near Shujaiya in the northern Gaza Strip.

Al Jazeera reported that the Israeli military believes that Hamas has returned to providing services in areas where the IDF has reduced its presence.  An Israeli Army Radio journalist similarly reported on January 16 that Hamas is trying to restore its control over the civilian population in the northern Gaza Strip,

Central Gaza Strip
Hamas’ military wing detonated explosives in a tunnel entrance targeting Israeli infantrymen near the Maghazi refugee camp in the central Gaza Strip.The group also fired Yasin-105 anti-tank rockets and detonated an explosively-formed penetrator (EFP) targeting Israeli Merkava tanks in the same area.

Southern Gaza Strip
Palestinian militias conducted seven indirect fire attacks from the Gaza Strip into southern Israel.

The IDF 636th Reconnaissance Unit is using drones to target and track Palestinian fighters in Khan Younis.  The unit has located about 200 tunnel shafts and destroyed 10 rocket launchers and other Palestinian militia-affiliated infrastructure.

Palestinian militias conducted seven indirect fire attacks from the Gaza Strip into southern Israel on January 26.

West Bank
Israeli forces clashed with Palestinian fighters in three locations across the West Bank. The al Aqsa Martyrs’ Brigades, the self-proclaimed militant wing of Fatah, and the Tubas Battalion of the Palestinian Islamic Jihad military wing claimed that they targeted Israeli forces with explosives and small arms fire in Tubas.

Southern Lebanon and Golan Heights
Iranian-backed fighters, including Lebanese Hezbollah, conducted six attacks from southern Lebanon into northern Israel on January 26. Hezbollah conducted three attacks targeting Israeli forces using rockets and other unspecified munitions.

Hezbollah conducted three attacks targeting Israeli forces using rockets and other unspecified munitions. Hezbollah targeted Israeli forces at the Gonen barracks using an Iranian-made Falaq-1 rocket system, this was the first attack in which it used the Falaq-1 during this war.

Iran
The Iranian regime denied a recent Wall Street Journal report that the United States secretly warned Iran that the Islamic State was preparing to conduct the January 3 terrorist attack in Kerman.

The Balochi militant group Ansar al Furqan claimed that it fired small arms targeting a police station in Zahedan, Sistan and Baluchistan Province on January 25.

This incident is part of a rise in terrorist activity and insecurity in southeastern Iran since December 2023. Jaish al Adl—a Balochi Salafi-Jihadist group that operates along the Iranian border with Pakistan—conducted a two-stage attack targeting a police station in Rask, Sistan, and Baluchistan Province, in December 2023.  Eleven police officers died in the attack.

The Iranian ambassador to Pakistan and the Pakistani ambassador to Iran returned to their posts following the exchange of strikes between Iran and Pakistan between January 16-18.
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The IDF releases drone footage showing a group of RPG-wielding Hamas operatives being spotted in southern Gaza's Khan Younis, before being struck by another aircraft.

The three-man Hamas cell was identified by soldiers of the Border Defense Corps' 636th Combat Intelligence Collection unit, who also called in the strike.



Fighting continues deep within Khan Younis, with ground forces of the 98th Division killing dozens of Hamas gunmen and the Air Force carrying out a wave of strikes.



The IDF says that as troops have advanced in the area, the commandos have encountered many Hamas cells, which were "eliminated with sniper fire, guided missiles, and tank shelling."



The tunnel, found by reservists of the 646th Brigade and combat engineers of the elite Yahalom unit, connects north and southern Gaza, according to the IDF.

The IDF says the tunnel is one kilometer long, 20 meters deep, and was built around 1.5 kilometers from the border. It was later destroyed by combat engineers.



The Givati Brigade in recent days had carried out an offensive with other units of the 98th Division in southern Gaza, encircling Khan Younis.

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Link Posted: 1/27/2024 5:54:15 AM EDT
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The Iranian ship that’s now in the gulf of Aden coordinating the attacks the Houthi’s are doing was in the Red Sea when the Houthis were firing at ships there.  With out Irans ship giving guidance to these missiles the attacks would be far less effective.

The United States Government knows this and is allowing that ship to be afloat.  Now the question is why haven’t we sunk it yet and put a stop to this bullshit.

Edit:  here is a article from the wall street journal from a month ago explaining how Irans “spy” ship helps the Houthi’s target vessels.
https://www.wsj.com/world/middle-east/iranian-spy-ship-helps-houthis-direct-attacks-on-red-sea-vessels-d6f7fd40 link pass the paywall.
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Seems like if we don't have the stomach to sink or board that ship, we could park something overhead that would jam all electronic emissions in and out from it and render it pretty much useless.
Link Posted: 1/27/2024 9:08:16 AM EDT
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Haaretz | News Israel-Hamas War Day 113 | Three Countries Join U.S. in Suspending Funds to UNRWA Jan 27, 2024

RECAP: U.S. and U.K. strike Houthi targets in Yemen; UNRWA funding suspended by multiple countries
Here's what you need to know 113 days into the war:

■ Canada, Italy and Australia have followed the U.S. and announced the suspension of funds to the UNRWA amid investigations into some of its employees who are suspected of being involved in the October 7 attacks.

■ Hezbollah fired rockets from Lebanon into northern Israel throughout Saturday morning. Reports from Lebanon say the area of Naqoura was attacked by an Israeli drone.

■ Egypt considered recalling its ambassador to Israel following allegations made by the Israeli defense team at the ICJ about Egypt's failure to bring humanitarian aid to the Gaza Strip, according to the Wall Street Journal.

■ Torrential rains in the Gaza Strip area have worsened the humanitarian situation, sources in the Gaza Strip reported. Videos have been circulated on social media showing flooding in the displaced persons camps in the south of the Gaza Strip.

■ The head of the World Health Organization has warned of a collapse of the Nasser Hospital in the city of Khan Yunis, where fighting between the IDF and Hamas is taking place. The hospital is the largest health facility in Gaza which was still functioning.

■ U.S. military says it struck a Houthi anti-ship missile which was prepared to launch. The Houthi's Al-Masira television said that the U.S. and the U.K. launched two airstrikes that targeted the port of Ras Issa in Yemen's Hodeidah province
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Link Posted: 1/27/2024 9:18:01 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By bigstick61:


An irony if the main isolationist movement on the Right today is that it is basically derived from Leftist ideas and that it uses Iraq and Afghanistan as examples when those campaigns ended as they did because of the impact of the anti-war and isolationist types on domestic politics. The people opposed from the start  or later on set the stage for failure and then used the failure they helped create as a basis for opposing conflicy and embracing isolationism.
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Originally Posted By Shadyman:
Originally Posted By PolarBear416:
People who think Iran / Russia and China aren't actually out to get us...

Iran / Russia are seeking to deny us resources though military violence, controlling shipping lanes and controlling resources in places like Africa, with a long term goal of strangling us.

China is pursuing a similar strategy except more based on diplomacy and economic influence than actual military intervention, so far...

Both groups are actively using espionage to steal our technology (especially China) and disrupt our political and economic system (especially Russia).

A lot of folks are complacent thinking whatever happens overseas will have no effect on them / how bad can it get. We have enjoyed a great standard of living for a long time, and there is no reason that shouldn't continue.

But it's not guaranteed to continue. If we fail to protect our interests things like fuel shortages, sky high food prices, hunger, etc, can eventually happen to us.



Pretty much this. Isolationism of the USA always leads to war, the draft and social upheaval. Think about that when you vote. But mom’s basement dwellers and GD millionaires follow the orange God.


An irony if the main isolationist movement on the Right today is that it is basically derived from Leftist ideas and that it uses Iraq and Afghanistan as examples when those campaigns ended as they did because of the impact of the anti-war and isolationist types on domestic politics. The people opposed from the start  or later on set the stage for failure and then used the failure they helped create as a basis for opposing conflicy and embracing isolationism.


I oppose most overseas Mil involvement because 1. we end up paying for most of it and do most of the ''work'' to boot, and 2. because we don't do war like it should be, which is, crush all opposition BAMN and 3. because we always spend billions or trillions rebuilding what we destroyed or what they say we destroyed, and 4. Because politicians will politician instead of letting Soldiers Soldier.
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LOL.

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This was bound to happen.  Israel is going to make a big buffer around its self.
Link Posted: 1/27/2024 6:45:16 PM EDT
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Fighter jets hit Hezbollah infrastructure in Blida, Marwahin, and Ayta ash-Shab:




The IDF says troops of the Commando Brigade's Egoz unit spotted the operatives preparing to fire RPGs at the forces, and opened fire toward them. The gunmen then fled into a building, which was struck by an aircraft. Secondary explosions seen in the video indicate that the building stored explosives. Another strike was carried out against additional members of the cell that tried to flee.



98th Division advances in the area, killing numerous Hamas operatives. Amid the offensive, the division's Commando Brigade directed an airstrike against three Hamas operatives who were attempting to plant explosives devices near the troops.



Footage from recent "intensive" training exercises carried out by the 226th Reserve Paratroopers Brigade.

Link Posted: 1/27/2024 6:56:15 PM EDT
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Incredible Footage of IDF Operations in Gaza:



Pro-terrorist protests Leader ARRESTED at Heavy Clashes Mass Arrests at Pro-Palestine Rally at AIPAC Headquarters:



More protests in Newport, Wales, UK:









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NVM
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This was bound to happen.  Israel is going to make a big buffer around its self.
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I don't think they can make a big enough buffer zone.  Terrorists have too many long range missiles.
Got to hit the head of the snake.
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LOL.

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They live in a war zone, should know the difference between a live round and a bullet, and can't get this narrative down yet.
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